MR. LIGHTOLLER: I could not say, sir; I saw him about the boat deck two or three times. I had occasion to go to him.
SENATOR SMITH: Was the vessel broken in two in any manner, or intact?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Absolutely intact.
SENATOR SMITH: On the decks?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Intact, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: When you came out of your room after the impact, did you see any ice on the decks?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see or hear any exclamations of pain?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know whether anyone was injured?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: By ice on the deck?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Tell us, as nearly as you can, just where you saw the captain last, with reference to the sinking of this ship.
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I think the bridge was the last place I saw him, sir; I am not sure. I think he was crossing the bridge.
SENATOR SMITH: What do you mean by that?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Walking across.
SENATOR SMITH: From one side to the other?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; just coming across. I merely recognized a glimpse. I have a slight recollection of having seen him whilst I was walking. It is my recollection that I saw him crossing the bridge. I think that was the last.
SENATOR SMITH: How large was this bridge? How large was it on the Titanic?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: It extends the width of the ship, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: It extends the width of the ship?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir; and 18 inches over each side.
SENATOR SMITH: And how far forward?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: In amidships, about 20 feet; in the wings, about 10 feet.
SENATOR SMITH: When you saw him was he giving any orders?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I was not near enough to know, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: How near were you?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: About 50 feet away.
SENATOR SMITH: What did he seem to be doing ­ pacing?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; not pacing. Just walking straight across as if he had some object that he was walking toward.
SENATOR SMITH: He was walking from one side to the other?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir; from starboard to port.
SENATOR SMITH: Did that give him a full sweep of view of the situation?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: If he had been giving orders, would you have heard them?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And you did not hear any such thing at that time?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: At that time; no, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: What were the last orders you heard him give?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: When I asked him, "Shall I put the women and children in the boats?" he replied, "Yes; and lower away." Those were the last orders he gave.
SENATOR SMITH: Where was he at that time?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: About abreast the No. 6 boat.
SENATOR SMITH: How long was that before the ship sunk?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Approximately somewhere about a quarter to 1, say. I don't know what time it was, sir. It would be only a guess.
SENATOR SMITH: It was after this impact?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: After the collision?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And about how long after? What time did the collision occur?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I do not know. I understand ­ I only gather it ­ that it occurred shortly before 12 o'clock.
SENATOR SMITH: When you heard it, did you look at your watch or make a note of it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: How long was the vessel afloat after this collision?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: That I do not know either, only from what I was told.
SENATOR SMITH: What were you told?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I was told she sunk at 2:20.
SENATOR SMITH: Who told you that?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: We came to the conclusion amongst the officers, by various indications.
SENATOR SMITH: Did any officer that you communicated with know the exact moment of this impact or collision?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: That I could not say, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Of course you had a watch with you?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you have a watch in your room?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: In my room; yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you keep it or is it gone?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Oh, it is gone, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: You did not know whether it was running or stopped? You did not look at it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I did not look at it, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: You asked the captain on the boat deck whether the lifeboats should take the women and children first, if I understand you correctly?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not quite, sir; I asked him: "Shall I put the women and children in the boats?" The captain replied, "Yes, and lower away."
SENATOR SMITH: What did you do then?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I carried out his orders.
SENATOR SMITH: Except as to this one boat that could not be lowered?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I am speaking of the port side of the ship. I was running the port side only.
SENATOR SMITH: Were all the boats lowered on the port side?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: They were all lowered with the exception of one, the last boat, which was stowed on top of the officers' quarters. We had not time to launch it nor yet to open it.
SENATOR SMITH: I did not get the first word. Was it injured?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; I said it was stowed on top of the officers' quarters. And when all the other boats were away, I called for men to go up there, told them to cut her adrift and throw her down.
SENATOR SMITH: How did it happen to be stowed up there? Was that an unusual place for it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Well what happened to that boat?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: It floated off the ship, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: It floated off?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Without anyone in it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I understand the men standing on top, who assisted to launch it down, jumped onto it as it was on the deck and floated off with it.
SENATOR SMITH: What type of boat was it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Collapsible.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see it afterwards?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Eventually. It was the boat that I got on.
SENATOR SMITH: Eventually that was the boat that you got on?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir; bottom up.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see the captain after that final order with reference to the women and children?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Where?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Walking across the bridge, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you have any further communication with him?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; none.
SENATOR SMITH: So far as you know, was that the last place that he was seen?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I could not say, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: You don't know what occurred to the captain after that?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: This lifeboat which was taken from the top of the officers' quarters, and that you finally reached, contained how many people?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: When it floated off the ship?
SENATOR SMITH: Yes.
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I could not say how many.
SENATOR SMITH: How many after you had gotten into it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: We were thrown off a couple of times. It was cleared; it was a flat, collapsible boat. When I came to it, it was bottom up, and there was no one on it.
SENATOR SMITH: No one on it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: And it was on the other side of the ship.
SENATOR SMITH: What did you do when you came to it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I hung on to it.
SENATOR SMITH: You floated with it merely?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Was that all the service it ever rendered? Was that the only service this lifeboat performed?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. Eventually about 30 of us got in it.
SENATOR SMITH: Tell us just how it occurred.
MR. LIGHTOLLER: From the time the ship went down you mean?
SENATOR SMITH: No; from the time you found this overturned lifeboat.
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. Immediately after finding that overturned lifeboat, and when I came up alongside of it, there were quite a lot of us in the water around it preparatory to getting up on it.
SENATOR SMITH: With life preservers?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir. Then the forward funnel fell down­­
SENATOR SMITH: Were there any persons there without life preservers?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir. Not that I know of. The forward funnel falling down, it fell alongside of the lifeboat, about 4 inches clear of it.
SENATOR SMITH: What was this that fell?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: The forward funnel.
SENATOR SMITH: Did it strike the boat?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: It missed the boat.
SENATOR SMITH: Then what?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: It fell on all the people there were alongside of the boat, if there were any there.
SENATOR SMITH: Injure any of them seriously?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I could not say, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did it kill anybody?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I could not say, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Was this vessel sinking pretty rapidly at that time?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Pretty quickly, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know any of the men who were in the water as you were and who boarded this lifeboat?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Give their names.
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Mr. Thayer, a first­class passenger; the second Marconi operator ­ I can tell you his name in a minute ­ Bride.
SENATOR SMITH: Was that the boat that Col. Gracie­­
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Oh, yes; and Col. Gracie.
SENATOR SMITH: Col. Gracie of the United States Army?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I think I have his card.
SENATOR SMITH: It was Col. Gracie anyway?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Col. Gracie was on the upturned boat with me; yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Was he on the upturned boat before you got it righted around?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: We never righted it.
SENATOR SMITH: You never righted it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir; we could not.
SENATOR SMITH: Who else was there?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I think all the rest were firemen taken out of the water, sir. Those are the only passengers that I know of.
SENATOR SMITH: No other passengers?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: There were two or three that died. I think there were three or four who died during the night.
SENATOR SMITH: Aboard this boat with you?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir; I think the senior Marconi operator was on the boat and died. The Marconi junior operator told me that the senior was on this boat and died.
SENATOR SMITH: From the cold?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Presumably.
SENATOR SMITH: Not from the blow of this­­
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No; not that I know of.
SENATOR SMITH: How many persons altogether?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I should roughly estimate about 30. She was packed standing from stem to stern at daylight.
SENATOR SMITH: Was there any effort made by others to board her?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: We took all on board that we could.
SENATOR SMITH: I understand, but I wanted to know whether there was any effort made by others to get aboard?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not that I saw.
SENATOR SMITH: There must have been a great number of people in the water?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: But not near us. They were some distance away from us.
SENATOR SMITH: How far?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: It seemed about a half a mile.
SENATOR SMITH: Was not this the only raft or craft in sight?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: It was dark, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Yes. But this was the only thing there was to get on at that time?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: With the exception of the wreckage.
SENATOR SMITH: With the exception of what floated off the ship?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: In the form of wreckage?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see Col. Gracie?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I don't know whether I saw him, sir. I met him on the Carpathia afterwards, of course.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you remember seeing him in the water?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Who took command of that overturned lifeboat?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I did, as far as command was necessary.
SENATOR SMITH: Did your judgment rule the conduct of those on it?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir; that is my reason for saying that I believe it was mostly the crew of the ship, because of the implicit obedience.
SENATOR SMITH: When you left the ship, did you see any women or children on board?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: None whatever.
SENATOR SMITH: Could you give us any estimate whatever as to the number of first and second class passengers that were on board when the ship went down?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Were there any on the so­called boat deck?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Were there quite a number, in your opinion.
MR. LIGHTOLLER: A number of people ­ what they were, first, second, or third, crew or firemen, I could not say, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: But there were many people still on the ship?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And, so far as you could observe, could you tell whether they were equipped with life preservers?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: As far as I could see, throughout the whole of the passengers, or the whole of the crew, everyone was equipped with a life preserver, for I looked for it especially.
SENATOR SMITH: Were the passengers on those decks instructed at any time to go to one side or the other of the ship?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: What do you know about that?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: When the ship was taking a heavy list ­ not a heavy list ­ but she was taking a list over to port, the order was called, I think by the chief officer, "Everyone on the starboard side to straighten her up," which I repeated.
SENATOR SMITH: How long before you left the ship?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I could not say, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: About how long?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Half an hour or three quarters of an hour.
SENATOR SMITH: Before you left?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: How were these passengers selected in going to the lifeboats?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: By their sex.
SENATOR SMITH: Whenever you saw a woman?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Precisely.
SENATOR SMITH: She was invited to go into one of these boats?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Excepting the stewardesses. We turned several of those away.
SENATOR SMITH: Except the employees?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Except the stewardesses; yes.
SENATOR SMITH: And did you see any attempt made to get women to enter the lifeboats who refused to go?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: How many?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I couldn't say, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Several?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: A few.
SENATOR SMITH: What reason was given why they did not?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: I had not time; I didn't notice. Merely they would not come.
SENATOR SMITH: Did they ask that their families be taken?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Yes; one or two.
SENATOR SMITH: And were families taken, to your knowledge?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: Not to my knowledge.
SENATOR SMITH: Were the boat that was on top of the officers' quarters that overturned, and the boat that was stuck in the tackle both made use of in any way, or but one?
MR. LIGHTOLLER: But one.
SENATOR SMITH: So that altogether there were how many lifeboats actually used?
