MR. BURKE: Yes; but I did not recognize these people. After the two seamen left that boat some of the women in the forward end said to me: "There are two men down here in the bottom of the boat." I said, "Are there so?" I made down in the bottom of the boat and got hold of those two men and pulled one out. I found he was, apparently, a Japanese and could not speak any English. I explained to him and put him on an oar. The other man appeared to me to be an Italian, about 18 stone. I tried to speak to him in Italian, and he said, "Armenian." That was all he could say. I also put him on an oar. We done what we could with the boat in the meantime and made fast to an officer's boat later on.
SENATOR SMITH: What officer's boat?
MR. BURKE: I could not say what officer's boat. I think it was Mr. Lowe's.
SENATOR SMITH: Lowe?
MR. BURKE: No; it would be the second officer; I think Mr. Lightoller. I think it was his boat.
SENATOR SMITH: How many people were in lifeboat No. 10, all together?
MR. BURKE: I did not count the people, sir, but the boat was packed to the utmost capacity. I should say there would be close to 60 people and about four children.
SENATOR SMITH: Four children?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir; if I were to guess the number at all.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know any of the women that were in that boat by name?
MR. BURKE: I did not know them by name. I knew their faces and afterwards had their names and addresses on board the Carpathia.
SENATOR SMITH: Can you give us the names and addresses of the women on that boat?
MR. BURKE: Miss Andrews and G. Longley.
SENATOR SMITH: Give the address.
MR. BURKE: Both the same address 751 First Street, Hudson, N.Y.
SENATOR SMITH: Is that all you can give?
MR. BURKE: That is all. We got aboard the Carpathia and everything was in perfect order.
SENATOR SMITH: That is the only name that you could get of any women on board, or of men?
MR. BURKE: That I could recognize; yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know any women or men lifeboat No. 8?
MR. BURKE: I knew the steward that got away in No. 8; that is all.
SENATOR SMITH: No. 1 departed before you arrived?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did anyone get into your boat after you had left the side of the Titanic?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Who?
MR. BURKE: I should say about 12 men and three or four children.
SENATOR SMITH: They were helped in from the­­­
MR. BURKE: They were helped in by the officers; and I was in the side of the boat, taking them from the officers.
SENATOR SMITH: How did they happen to be put in?
MR. BURKE: They were called for on the deck, and as they came along, one by one, they were passed into the boat by me.
SENATOR SMITH: I guess you did not understand me. I mean after you left the Titanic, and before you reached the Carpathia, did anyone get into your boat?
MR. BURKE: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Who?
MR. BURKE: There were several passengers. An officer's boat came alongside during the night and gave us about 12 or 15 passengers. He took our two seamen away, with the intention, I presume, to go back to the wreckage.
SENATOR SMITH: Was that Mr. Lowe?
MR. BURKE: That was Mr. Lowe, I believe. I thought I recognized his voice.
SENATOR SMITH: Did anyone try to get into your boat after you left the side of the Titanic, and before you reached the Carpathia, that did not succeed in getting in, to your knowledge?
MR. BURKE: No, sir; not to my knowledge.
SENATOR SMITH: Or getting out of it?
MR. BURKE: No, sir; only those two sailors.
SENATOR SMITH: Only those two sailors that were transferred to boat No. 15?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir; I do not know the number of the boat.
SENATOR SMITH: It was Mr. Lowe's boat?
MR. BURKE: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Did all the passengers in lifeboat No. 10 reach the Carpathia alive?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir.
SENATOR FLETCHER: With reference to the woman who you say fell and was taken in at deck A, did she come back and get in the boat?
MR. BURKE: No, sir; the boat was in the act of lowering then, and was being lowered at that time, and we kept right along. This passenger pulled the woman in.
SENATOR FLETCHER: Do you know whether she succeeded in getting into another boat or not?
MR. BURKE: I could not say. I supposed she got into another boat.
SENATOR FLETCHER: Because you thought No. 10 was one of the last boats lowered?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir.
SENATOR FLETCHER: There were No. 12, No. 14, and No. 16 yet on that side of the ship. Were they lowered after No. 10?
MR. BURKE: I could not say. I saw the boat next lowered ­ probably No. 12. I think that got away about the same time. That was the only boat I saw left.
SENATOR FLETCHER: You did not see No. 14 and No. 16 lowered?
MR. BURKE: No; I did not see them lowered.
SENATOR FLETCHER: Or see them after they got into the water?
MR. BURKE: No, sir.
SENATOR FLETCHER: What proportion were male and what proportion female?
MR. BURKE: In my boat?
SENATOR FLETCHER: In No. 8? You helped to load No. 8 and No. 10 also?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir; I saw most of the women in No. 8. I did not see any men.
SENATOR FLETCHER: Were there any women on the deck when No. 10 was lowered?
MR. BURKE: Not after the officer had finished passing those women to me I have just mentioned. I saw no more.
SENATOR FLETCHER: You had not anything to do with arousing the passengers on the ship?
MR. BURKE: No, sir.
SENATOR FLETCHER: These boats that you assisted in loading, and the one you got away in, were all lifeboats?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Not collapsible boats?
MR. BURKE: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Or emergency boats?
MR. BURKE: No, sir.
SENATOR FLETCHER: There was an emergency boat alongside of or near No.1 or under No. 1, was there not?
MR. BURKE: No. 1, I believe was an emergency boat.
SENATOR FLETCHER: No. 1, itself, was an emergency boat?
MR. BURKE: I believe so.
SENATOR FLETCHER: And that had gone when you reached the deck?
MR. BURKE: Yes, sir.
Witness excused.
TESTIMONY OF ALFRED CRAWFORD ­ Recalled.
SENATOR SMITH: I would like you to state what you did just after the impact on the night after the accident.
MR. CRAWFORD: After we struck I went out and saw the iceberg passing along the starboard side. Then I went back and went around to all the staterooms to see that all the passengers were up and called all those; and as I was going around Mr. and Mrs. Bishop came out and asked me what was the matter. I said we had run into a piece of ice. I told them to go back to their rooms and dress; to put on as much clothes as they could; that I did not think there was any immediate danger. Afterwards a gentleman ­ a Mr. Stewart ­ came down and asked me to help dress him and to tie his shoes, and I did so. He went on deck and came back again and told me that it was serious; that they had told passengers to put on life belts. I got the life belts down and tied one on him, and also one on others. I gave them to other ladies and gentlemen on the deck. After that, during that time, I saw Mr. Ismay come out of his room, and a bedroom steward named Clark, and they went on deck.
SENATOR SMITH: What was the number of Mr. Ismay's room, if you know?
MR. CRAWFORD: I should say it was either B­48 or 50.
SENATOR SMITH: On which deck?
MR. CRAWFORD: B deck.
SENATOR SMITH: Go ahead.
MR. CRAWFORD: I went around to all the staterooms and told Mrs. Rogers and Miss Rogers to dress, and I helped tie life belts on them. After I saw all my passengers on the boat deck, I went on the boat deck myself, and I went to No. 5 lifeboat.
SENATOR SMITH: Was that your station?
MR. CRAWFORD: No. No. 8 was my station. I went on the starboard side to No. 5 boat. I saw Mr. Murdock and Mr. Ismay helping to get the passengers in. They were calling out and assisting all the women into the boat. Mr. Ismay stopped Mr. Murdock from lowering the boat a bit because the after end was getting hung up. Mr. Murdock called out to the aft man that was lowering the fall to lower away all the time, that he would beat him, and they lowered the boat to the water.
SENATOR SMITH: All right. What did you do then?
MR. CRAWFORD: After I heard they were lowering away the port boats, I went around to my proper station.
SENATOR SMITH: Which was No. 8?
MR. CRAWFORD: Which was No. 8. Mr. Wilde, the chief officer, was there. We filled that boat up with women first. Mrs. Isidore Straus and her husband were there, and she made an attempt to get into the boat first. She had placed her maid in the boat previous to that. She handed her maid a rug and she stepped back and clung to her husband and said, "We have been together all these years. Where you go I go." After that Capt. Smith came to the boat and asked how many men were in the boat. There were two sailors. He told me to get into the boat. He gave me orders to ship the rowlocks and to pull for a light. He directed me to a light over there. We were pulling for about six hours, I should say, and there were four men in the boat and a lady at the tiller all night.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know what lady that was?
MR. CRAWFORD: I have found out since. It was the Countess of Rothe. She was a countess; I do not know exactly her proper name.
SENATOR SMITH: The captain told you to get into that boat and row toward the light?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes; the captain told me to get in the boat and row toward that light. He told us to row for the light and to land the people there and come back to the ship. We pulled until day­break and we could not catch the ship.
SENATOR FLETCHER: What boat was that, No.5?
MR. CRAWFORD: No. 8, on the port side.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see the light?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir; there were two lights.
SENATOR SMITH: How far away?
MR. CRAWFORD: I should say it was not farther than 10 miles.
SENATOR SMITH: What were they; were they signals?
MR. CRAWFORD: They were stationary masthead lights, one on the fore and one on the main. Everybody saw them ­ all the ladies in the boat. They asked if were drawing nearer to the steamer, but we could not seem to make any headway, and when day broke we saw another steamer coming up, which proved to be the Carpathia; and then we turned around and came back. We were the farthest boat away.
SENATOR SMITH: You had not been rowing toward the Carpathia?
MR. CRAWFORD: No; we had been rowing the other way.
SENATOR SMITH: Toward this other light?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: You say you rowed how long?
MR. CRAWFORD: Until we left the ship, because the ladies urged us to pull for the ship.
SENATOR SMITH: Until daylight?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And you got no nearer to that light?
MR. CRAWFORD: We did not seem to be making any headway at all, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Tell the committee what you think that light was.
MR. CRAWFORD: I am sure it was a steamer, because a sailing ship would not have two masthead lights.
SENATOR SMITH: How far do you think it was away from the Titanic when the captain told you to row toward it.
MR. CRAWFORD: Capt. Smith could see the light quite plain, as he pointed in that direction that we were to make for. We pulled toward the light, and we could not reach it.
SENATOR SMITH: You never returned to the ship's side after you left it?
MR. CRAWFORD: No, sir; not after we left.
SENATOR SMITH: How many passengers were in boat No. 8?
MR. CRAWFORD: I should say between 35 and 40.
SENATOR SMITH: How many women?
MR. CRAWFORD: All women.
SENATOR SMITH: All women, except the four men that you have referred to?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Any children?
MR. CRAWFORD: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Was there any light on lifeboat No. 8; was there any lamp?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir; the lamp trimmer brought a light along before we were lowed to the water.
SENATOR SMITH: Hemmings?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you get the lamp from him?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did he have other lamps.
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes; he had a handful of lamps, taking them to all the boats.
SENATOR SMITH: He had a lot of lamps and was distributing them to all the boats?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: And you saw him do so?
MR. CRAWFORD: I did; yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And he handed one to you?
MR. CRAWFORD: He handed one to No. 8 boat; yes.
SENATOR SMITH: And was it in condition to burn?
MR. CRAWFORD: We lighted it and kept it burning. The wick kept falling down, but we kept raising it and lighting it. There was plenty of oil in the lamp.
SENATOR SMITH: Was that the only boat you assisted in loading?
MR. CRAWFORD: No; I was in No. 5 boat. I was over there assisting Mr. Ismay to clear the falls after they were lowering it.
SENATOR SMITH: On which side of the boat?
MR. CRAWFORD: The starboard side of No. 5. I did not go on the deck until quite a while, because the order was to clear the passengers out first.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any side lights on this boat that the captain told you to pull for?
MR. CRAWFORD: No; I could not say I saw any side lights.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any more of that light than you have now described?
MR. CRAWFORD: No. At daybreak it seemed to disappear. We came around and come back.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any rockets?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir; plenty of them went up from the Titanic, and the Morse code was used.
SENATOR SMITH: The Morse code, also?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any rockets from any other ship?
MR. CRAWFORD: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: After you got away from the side of the Titanic, how long was it before that vessel sank?
MR. CRAWFORD: It was sometime after we got away; probably an hour or an hour and a half.
SENATOR SMITH: During that time were you pulling toward the light?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes; we were, and some of them said not to do it; but we said that that was the captain's order.
SENATOR SMITH: You pulled right for that light?
MR. CRAWFORD: Right straight for that light.
SENATOR SMITH: And did not turn back?
MR. CRAWFORD: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Until you turned to go to the Carpathia, at daylight?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir.
SENATOR BURTON: You saw two steamer lights, Mr. Crawford, did you?
MR. CRAWFORD: Two lights; one steamer light; one steamer with two lights. A steamer carries two lights, one on the fore and one on the main.
SENATOR BURTON: One was a little higher than the other?
MR. CRAWFORD: Yes, sir; the after light was higher than the foremost.
SENATOR BURTON: You can not be deceived about that, can you?
MR. CRAWFORD: No, sir; I am positive. Everyone in the boats was positive of that. We all thought she was making toward us.
SENATOR BURTON: Did she seem then to be moving toward you?
MR. CRAWFORD: No; she seemed more like she was stationary.
SENATOR BURTON: You thought she was coming toward you?
MR. CRAWFORD: We thought she was coming toward us.
