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- Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 380
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- Wednesday, March 20th 1991
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- Today's Topics:
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- Hatonn And The Pleiades
- New Echo
- Goof
- More Missing
- Kecksburg Redux 1
- Kecksburg Redux 2
- Kecksburg Redux 3
- Hackers/Crop Circles
- that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!
- Re: Bill cooper
- Fritterheads(tm)
- Forward/transporters
- Re: Bill Cooper
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- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
- Subject: Hatonn And The Pleiades
- Date: 17 Mar 91 16:25:00 GMT
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- Hello Michael!
-
- MC> It is not so much that I don't believe that "channeling" is real, but
- MC> more, what scientific methods can be applied to study the phenomena?
- MC> I was talking with a person the other day who told me that there have
- MC> been some solid-based scientific research done regarding psychic
- MC> phenomenon.
-
- Yeah, I have been an attendee at a few 'Full-Trance' and 'Semi-Trance' sittings
- in years gone by. Just surface observations though. The 'medium' and helpers
- generally frown at any official examinations. Such measurement type apparatus
- seems to scare them easily. As the old saying goes:
- "Mediums do their best work in the dark!" :-)
-
- MC> Does anyone have any information relating scientific research being
- MC> conducted to validate psychic phenomenon?
-
- Most probably. But I bet if ParaNet members were to form a 'seek out and
- observe' travel group for various claimants of this phenomenon, as I assume
- they have done for UFO sightings...I believe there would be a lot less Phoenix
- Journal 'Hatonn' facade types floating about.
-
-
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- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
- Subject: New Echo
- Date: 17 Mar 91 16:45:00 GMT
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-
- PIS> learn more about the phenomenon. Any Fidonet sysop or alternate
- PIS> network sysop who wishes to carry it is encouraged to netmail Michael
- PIS> Corbin @ 1:104/422 or Paul Faeder @ 1:268/102.
-
- Sigh...I knew this day would come. I know the traffic on that echo will no
- doubt be quite 'noisy' when the word gets out over Fight-O-Net. I hope the
- moderator of that conference is up tp the task required of him/her. :-)
-
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- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
- Subject: Goof
- Date: 18 Mar 91 01:55:00 GMT
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-
- PF> In a message of <14 Mar 91 07:11:02>, Jim Greenen
- PF> (1:363/29) writes:
- PF>
- PF> >Mike; So much for trying to edit a line. I tried to say that I talked
- PF> to
- PF> >John Hicks last week and look on Page 13 through 20 in February issue
- PF> of
- PF> >"The Missing Link". ---Jim---
- PF>
- PF> Jim, what's "the Missing Link"? A newsletter or magazine?
- PF> If so can you provide subscription information? Thanks!
- PF>
- PF>
- PF> --- QM v1.00
- PF> * Origin: -=<ParaNet(sm) Omicron>=- (717)-588-7549
- PF> 14.4K HST (9:1010/0.0)
- "The Missing Link" is a magazine edited by Aileen Bringleand is
- published by UFO Contact Center International. The subscription is
- $19.00 a year. The address is 3001 South 288th St. #304, Federal
- Way, Washington 98003. I met Aileen over the xmas holidays when she
- visited Orlando. She is also Co-Host for the First UFO Congress that
- will be held in Tucson, Arizona 3 May through 7 May 1991. I hope
- that will help.
- 73's ---Jim---
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- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
- Subject: More Missing
- Date: 9 Mar 91 16:18:00 GMT
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- Clark:
-
- Thanks for the two `cases' you mentioned. I remember reading
- about both those events years ago, but I did not remember
- where I had read them. The WWI case with the UK troops is if
- memory recalls, a very famous event. I do not believe this
- was ever satisfactorly explained.
-
- Don
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- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
- Subject: Kecksburg Redux 1
- Date: 19 Mar 91 18:48:00 GMT
-
- Thanks to Jim Delton for finding this gem and scanning it into my system.
- Can anyone reach Stan Gordon for comment?
-
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- Reprinted for the Spring 1991 Skeptical Inquirer
- By Robert R. Young
-
-
-
- On September 19, 1990, the NBC television network's
- season opener of "Unsolved Mysteries" featured a half hour
- segment on the heretofore little-known "Kecksburg UFO Crash." It
- was alleged that this involved the crash and recovery by the U.
- S. military of an unidentified flying object with strange alien
- markings in the small western Pennsylvania town of Kecksburg, near
- Pittsburgh, on December 9, 1965.
- The program was the tenth most watched in America in a week
- that saw the introduction of the season's "new" shows. It was
- viewed in an estimated 17.7 percent of households with television
- and on 30 percent of all television sets turned on (Broadcasting
- 1990). Recent surveys for the National Science Foundation report
- that 2 in 5 adult Americans believe that alien spaceships account
- for some UFO reports (Science News 1986). It therefore seems
- likely that several million viewers may have been predisposed to
- accept the premise of the program.
- This "saucer crash" has not been widely known to UFOlogists
- or UFO skeptics because it appears never to have happened.
- According to a review of all original published accounts, the sole
- witnesses to the saucer crash apparently were two eight-year-old
- children who were among thousands in nine states and Canada to
- view a bolide (brilliant) meteor (Gatty 1965).
- Add to this a gullible local flying saucer buff who has
- finally found "his own" thrilling flying saucer crash to
- investigate; the U.S. Air Force "Project Blue Book" UFO
- investigating office; "unnamed Pentagon sources"; a secret
- military satellite launch; the Pennsylvania State Police; the
- Kecksburg volunteer fire company; local news reporters who were at
- first kept away; the 24-year-old recollections of local
- citizens; and the recent materialization of "new" witnesses.
- According to a front-page story in the nearby Greensburg,
- Pennsylvania, Tribune-Review the day after the TV show, some
- Kecksburg residents, including many observers of the 1965 event
- and even some portrayed in the program, say it is all a hoax.
- Some residents blame two local men whose story of a copper-colored
- 12' by 7' "acorn-shaped" object with "hieroglyphic" markings had
- surfaced only a couple of months earlier-almost a quarter-century
- after the original publicity.
- Tribune-Review staff writer David Darby (1990) reported
- that more than 50 Kecksburg residents sent a petition to the
- program's producers in an attempt to stop its airing. The paper
- reported that these nonbelievers included Ed Myers, the Kecksburg
- fire chief in 1965, who was portrayed by an actor on the program;
- Jerome and Valerie Miller, whose home was portrayed as the site of
- a "military command post" during UFO recovery operations; the
- owners of the land where the saucer was supposed to have landed;
- and Kecksburg firemen.
- Myers expressed concern. "It's killing me to know this is
- going nationwide, because there's absolutely no truth to it," he
- told Darby. "Something's gonna be put in the history books for
- my grandchildren to read, and it is just not true."
- The Millers, the paper reported, deny that their home was a
- center of military activity. Darby said "whoops of laughter"
- filled the Miller living room when a group of residents who
- consider the whole thing a hoax gathered to watch the melodramatic
- program.
- Several elements combined in 1965 to create local hysteria.
- For several days the world had been fascinated by front-page
- coverage of the missions of Gemini 6 and 7, two U.S. spacecraft
- set for a manned joining. The day of the incident (December 9)
- the Pitts- burgh Press, widely read in the Kecksburg area,
- reported that Frank Edwards, a nationally known flying saucer
- lecturer and broadcaster had arrived in the city to speak. The
- headline, "Lift UFO Secrecy, Saucer Believer Says," had a "kicker"
- above it, "U. S. Hush-Up Charged."
- However, the Erie Daily Times (December 10) reported
- another event that day that went largely unnoticed: a secret
- satellite was launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Califor-
- nia, a launchsite for military polar-orbiting reconnaissance
- missions. The stage was set.
- Shortly after 4:40 p.m. (EST) a brilliant bolide, or
- "fireball," was seen by thousands in Idaho, Illinois, Indi- and
- Michigan, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia,
- and Ontario, Canada, according to reports on December 10 in the
- Erie Daily Times; the Pittsburgh Press, the New York Times, and
- the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The fireball was even said to have
- been seen in California (Pittsburgh Press, Dec. 10, 1965).
- Astronomers from Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, who had
- received many reports, concluded the object had been a bright
- meteor (Erie Daily Times, Pittsburgh Press, New York Times,
- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Dec. 10). This was also the conclusion
- of the Federal Aviation Administration, according to a spokesman
- at Erie, Pennsylvania (Erie Daily Times; Pittsburgh
- Post-Gazette); Air Force spokesmen in Washington; and unnamed
- "Pentagon sources" (Pittsburgh Press, New York Times).
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- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
- Subject: Kecksburg Redux 2
- Date: 19 Mar 91 18:49:00 GMT
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-
- Reports of bolides are typically inaccurate. Astronomer
- Frank Drake (1971), after efforts to recover meteorites from
- fireball reports, has estimated the fraction of eyewitnesses who
- are wrong about something to be I out of 2 after one day, 3 out of
- 4 after two days, and 9 out of 10 after four days. Witnesses
- often grossly underestimate the distance of fireballs, which may
- be dozens of miles high. When the meteors disappear over the
- horizon it is sometimes taken as a "nearby" event (Klass 1974:42-
- 49).
- The 1965 fireball was no exception. It was reported to
- have "crashed" or "landed" in six widely separated locations. A
- pilot in the air reported watching as it "plummeted" into Lake
- Erie (Pittsburgh Press, Dec. 10). At Midland, Pennsylvania, west
- of Pitts- burgh, falling debris was reported but police found
- nothing (Erie Daily Times, Pittsburgh Press, Dec. 10). At
- Elyria, Ohio, west of Cleveland, a woman reported that a
- fireball the size of a "volley ball" fell into a wooded lot.
- Firemen reported 10 small grass fires but no flying saucer
- (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Dec. 10).
- At Lapeer, Michigan, 40 miles north of Detroit, sheriff's
- officers investigating the report of "a ball of fire crashing"
- found only pieces of tinfoil (Pittsburgh Press, Dec. 10). The
- most spectacular report came from Detroit and Windsor, Ontario,
- where pilots, weather observers, and U. S. Coast Guard personnel
- reported that a flying object "exploded" over Detroit. Coast
- Guard boats sent into Lake St. Clair found nothing (Tribune-
- Review, County Edition, Dec. 10). The Air Force UFO
- investigating office at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, may
- have been interested in the recovery of space-launch debris and
- sent three-man investigating teams from the 662 Radar Squadron,
- based near Pittsburgh, to Kecksburg and Erie (Erie Daily Times,
- Pittsburgh Post- Gazette).
- In Kecksburg the scene had turned into a circus. Little
- Kevin Kalp had run and told his mother, Mrs. Arnold Kalp of RD 1,
- Acme, Pennsylvania, that he had seen something "like a star on
- fire." Going outside she saw "blue smoke" that seemed to come from
- a nearby woods (Gatty 1965; Pittsburgh Press, Dec. 10). Other
- reports had described a bright trail left in the air by the meteor
- (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Dec 10). A "thump" whose vibration felt
- by one witness was attributed to dynamiting at a local quarry or
- to a shock wave heard by many western Pennsylvanians who witnessed
- the fireball. Mrs. Kalp called a local radio station that had
- been reporting a plane crash. Soon, according to the Tribune-
- Review, a "massive traffic jam" had engulfed the small town
- (Gatty, Tribune-Review, City Edition, Dec. 10, Dec. 11).
- A local volunteer fire policeman informed reporters that
- the Army and the state police had told them not to let anybody in
- (Gatty 1965). One result was that an early edition of the
- Greensburg paper carried a seven- column banner headline atop page
- one, "'Unidentified Flying Object Falls Near Kecksburg," and,
- "Army ropes off area" (Greensburg Tribune-Review, County Edition,
- Dec. 10).
- Captain Joseph Dussia, commander of the Pennsylvania State
- Police Troop A Headquarters at Greensburg, announced the next day
- that after an all-night search "absolutely nothing had been
- found." Reports of something being carried from the area
- referred only to equipment used in the search, Dussia said. He
- added, "Someone made a mountain out of a molehill" (Greensburg
- Tribune-Review, City Edition, Dec. 10). The Air Force also
- announced that nothing had been found (Pittsburgh Press, Dec.
- 10). The next day a Greensburg Tribune-Review editorial
- summarized its staff's independent investigation: Nothing at
- all seems to have happened (Dec. 11). The official explanations
- are totally consistent with all published accounts and the
- present recollections of scores of witnesses.
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- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
- Subject: Kecksburg Redux 3
- Date: 19 Mar 91 18:52:00 GMT
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-
- When does the "unsolved mystery" come in? Now enters Stan
- Gordon, founder of the Pennsylvania Association for the Study of
- the Unexplained (PASU), a Greensburg-based group that collects
- sightings of UFOs, Bigfoot, and other oddities, such as the
- "Eastern Cougar," an animal that has been extinct for a hundred
- years. PASU seems to do little research into these events but
- does issue press releases. Gordon, a 30-year veteran of saucer
- chases, is also Pennsylvania director of the Mutual UFO Network
- (MUFON), the nation's largest surviving flying-saucer group.
- Each year in early January PASU issues its annual press
- release to Pennsylvania newspapers listing exciting reports
- received during the previous year. Their 1989 release featured an
- alleged UFO encounter by a Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, policeman
- (Latrobe Bulletin, Jan. 9, 1989). A PASU investigator later said
- the witness had suffered "severe burns" and a "severe eye injury."
- MUFON's state director soon turned it into a "returning UFO
- abductee" encounter, making claims publicly denied by the witness.
- Local amateur astronomers found the witness had been looking at
- the planet Venus. The witness refused to be examined by a
- physician; a PASU investigator "lost" film evidence of the
- witness' injuries, and a substance Gordon had tested at a
- laboratory and then described as "strange" and "unusual" turned
- out to be a common fertilizer (Young 1989).
- In 1990 PASU issued a call for anyone with knowledge of the
- Kecksburg UFO crash to come forward (Latrobe Bulletin). With an
- experienced nose for saucer news, they must have sensed that even
- after 24 years witnesses always seem to be willing to come forward
- if the case is exciting.
- Actually, the Kecksburg UFO tale has been making the rounds
- among Pennsylvania saucer buffs for some time. Flying-saucer
- evangelist Robert D. Barry hosts a Saturday midnight program, "ET
- Monitor," on WGCB-TV, Red Lion, Pennsylvania, a religious
- station, where he mixes NASA films, UFOria, viewer calls, and
- occasional Bible readings. Barry mentioned the Kecksburg
- recovery in a lecture at Elizabethtown College, Elizabethtown,
- Pennsylvania, on March 22, 1989, and followed on his April 2,
- 1989, program with the revelation that the incident involved the
- recovery of "bodies." Later, on his April 23, 1989, broadcast, he
- stated that no bodies were involved in the UFO accident.
- Barry says that years ago he was told by an unnamed NASA
- informant that the Kecksburg UFO had been tracked, a claim that is
- contradicted by statements made by a North American Air Defense
- Command spokesman at the time (Erie Daily Times; Pittsburgh Press;
- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Dec. 10). Barry has also reported,
- citing Stan Gordon as his source, that a 1965 member of the
- Kecksburg Fire Company claims it had been contacted by NASA before
- the UFO crashed and asked to keep the public away from the area, a
- claim contradicted by the original published reports and
- eyewitness statements (Tribune-Review, City Edition, Dec. 10,
- 1965).
- A curious claim, oddly similar to the Kecksburg story,
- occurred January 28, 1990, on Bob Barry's television program. At
- 7:10 P.m. (EST) that evening a bright fireball had been seen over
- much of the East Coast (Harrisburg Sunday Patriot-News, Jan. 28,
- 1990). That night on "ET Monitor" Barry reported that "a
- Greensburg source," a euphemism he sometimes uses for PASU's Stan
- Gordon, had called to say that "an object landed" nearby at about
- 7:20 P.M., that the area had been cordoned off, and that the
- source was "trying to get as close as he could." A well-known
- baseball philosopher would have been prompted to say that it
- seemed like "deja vu all over again. "
- It is too bad the producers an researchers at "Unsolved
- Mysteries" didn't scratch around a little. At least 50 folks at
- Kecksburg could have saved them an embarrassment.
-
- References
-
- Broadcasting. 1990. (Cites Nielsen and its
- own research.) P. 40.
- Darby, David. 1990. Greensburg Tribune-
- Review (Greensburg, Pa.), December 10,
- P. 1.
- Drake, Frank. 1972. On the abilities and
- limitations of witnesses of UFO's and
- similar phenomena. In UFO's: A Scientific
- Debate, 247-257, eds. Carl Sagan and
- Thornton Page (New York: Cornell
- University Press and W. W. Norton).
- Gatty, Bob. 1965. Unidentified flying object
- report touches off probe near Kecksburg.
- Greensburg Tribune-Review, December
- 10, p. 1.
- Klass, Philip J. 1974. UFOs Explained (New
- York: Random House/Vintage), pp. 42-49.
- Science News. 1986. 129:118.
- Young, Robert R. 1989. "Harrisburg 'UFO
- Incident' Stimulated by Venus." Unpub-
- lished manuscript by the author.
-
-
- Robert R. Young is education chairman
- of the Astronomical Society of Harrisburg,
- Pennsylvania. Address: 319 S. Front
- Street, Harrisburg, PA 17104.
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- From: Jim.Delton@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
- Subject: Hackers/Crop Circles
- Date: 20 Mar 91 04:12:00 GMT
-
- An interesting article from "Gvt Computer News", a freebie newspaper
- for gvt employees in the computer biz.
-
- A group of computer hackers, apparently seeking information
- on UFOs, broke into Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
- computers in October but were not detected until last month.
- In early January, APHIS officials learned from the FBI
- that hackers in England had accessed the agency's Prime Computer
- Inc. systems through U. S. Sprint Communications Co.'s public
- TeleNet. At first, agency officiels had no idea why APHIS was a
- target or if any damage had been done. With the FBl's help,
- APHIS officials discovered the security breach occurred in
- October and isolated the types of searches done by the hackers.
- So far, no damage to APHIS data or systems has been found.
- The computer system consists of Prime 1350 minicomputers at each
- of the Agriculture Department agency's 40 field offices and
- three larger Prime 9955 minicomputers at the Hyattsville, Md.,
- headquarters. Each field office has Four or five Prime PT200
- terminals hanging off the 1350. The Hyattsville office has
- about 500 PT200's supported by the 9955s.
- The minicomputers communicate nationwide--through a wide
- area network on Sprint's TeleNet. Most of the traffic
- consists of text files, said Sam Ladd, associate deputy
- administrator of APHIS' Management and Budget Division. An
- informant told the FBI the hackers were seeking information on
- UFOs, Ladd said. But in its review, APHIS found the hackers also
- had sought ways to access agency systems, he said. "They
- apparently had Prime source code, so their ability to penetrate
- Prime systems was pretty good," Ladd said. "They already were on
- the Sprint network and were trying to test access to break in.
- When they saw Agriculture, they thought there may be something
- interesting. Their
- Their interest was in UFOs and markings in wheat fields."
- APHIS, with 5,OOO employees, helps keep plant and animal diseases
- out of the United States. The agency also tries to minimize
- damage if diseases do get into the country.
- Besides the UFO information, the hackers apparently were
- looking for anything else intriguing, Ladd said. "They were
- looking for anything of value they could use," he said. "Some
- files contained telephone credit card [numbers]." Although the
- hackers got into these files, there is no evidence that they used
- the credit cards, he said.
- One early concern was that the hackers might have set a
- virus loose in the APHIS computers. But after two weeks of
- investi- gation, officials ruled out that possibility, Ladd said.
- APHIS computer programmer Jeff Tessmer was assigned to undertake
- the search for system alterations by the hackers. Over a
- weekend, Tessmer identified four APHIS systems containing
- unfamiliar files: two in Hyattsville, one in Jefferson City, Mo.,
- and one in Wilmington, N.C. "I went into the systems
- administrator mode and started looking at suspicious files by
- date and time," Tessmer recounted. "It looked as if they were trying
- to
- use our network to get into other systems at other network
- addresses."
- Tessmer said at one point while he was logged onto the
- network, one of the hackers also logged on. "One of them logged
- on while I was on. I went into the administrator mode and changed
- his password, then logged back on using that password. By doing
- this I was able to kick him off the network," Tessmer said.
- "With this system you can only log yourself off."
- Though no damage appears to have occurred, Ladd said the
- incident was a nuisance. On the plus side, it did help top
- agency managers recognize the need for computer security measures,
- he added. To beef up security, the agency has changed all its
- passwords and user identification codes, making them more secure.
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- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
- Subject: that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!
- Date: 18 Mar 91 09:56:00 GMT
-
- This message is actually to all...
- Did anyone see 60 minutes on Sunday, March 17th? I saw a preview of
- the show, which had objects flying in boomerang formation flying
- near the Washington monument. I unfortunately was not able to watch
- it, and was curious if that was linked to this subject, or if that
- was just a bunch of planes flying in formation?
- Tyson
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- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
- Subject: Re: Bill cooper
- Date: 18 Mar 91 14:20:00 GMT
-
- Sorry Rick; but I can't go along with you on that one. The purpose
- of the message was not to protect Bill Cooper from his problems he
- has but to keep a open mind about all thats going on. As the SYSOP
- of the Bay Area Skeptic group and reading some of your posting in
- the BBS, I feel that your attentions are less then honorable. For
- you to promote keeping Bill Coopers files (and I feel that thay
- should be) is not for the reason you state. A person that makes
- claims as being a skeptic and belongs to such organization is not
- being fair with himself when claims to be openminded.
- Please excuse me for being so blunt but I was not born with the
- ability to be a diplomate and I try my best not to be a hypocrite.
- I would enjoy discussing different topics with you but from past
- experience that we have had on the BBS, I feel that the one thing
- that you don't have is a open mind. This is not attended to be a
- put down to you because your probably a very nice person but its
- against the word SKEPTIC because its the exact opposite of
- open-minded.
- You have read enough on this and other BBS that you should have
- come to a conclusion that all of these claims of UFO sightings has
- to merit some consideration on your part. I and 20 million others
- have seen some very strange things flying around in our skys and the
- purpose is not if thay exist but its the who, what and where that
- I'm interested in. If you have doubts, then I would recommend
- reading "Above Top Secret" for a start and then past it around the
- Bay Area group. Then log on the echo as Rick Moen the person that is
- interested in learning all he can on this subject and not Rick Moen
- the skeptic. Between the two of us, maybe we can find some parts to
- the puzzle. 73's ---Jim---
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- From: Matt.Drury@p0.f69.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Matt Drury)
- Subject: Fritterheads(tm)
- Date: 18 Mar 91 14:40:00 GMT
-
- "> I've always been strongly in favour of open-mindedness -- as long as
- "> your mind isn't so open that things flutter in and out.
-
- An excellent way to ignore any opinion that doesn't fit your worldview
- without sacrificing your high moral and ethical standards. Sir, I salute
- you.
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- From: Matt.Drury@p0.f69.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Matt Drury)
- Subject: Forward/transporters
- Date: 18 Mar 91 14:44:00 GMT
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- "> to atoms with net spins. Also, storing and transmitting this
- "> amount of data boggles my mind.
-
- Using Phil Katz' new PKZIP 1.20 protocol on the 3D-scanned database you
- posit should reduce the data to a workable size. However, a utility that is
- more intelligent than PKZIPFIX will need to be authored for when the
- transmission drops a bit (=nose or ear or other important organ).
-
- "Let's use The Enemy for transporter testing."
-
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- From: Matt.Drury@p0.f69.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Matt Drury)
- Subject: Re: Bill Cooper
- Date: 18 Mar 91 14:48:00 GMT
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- "> Sorry Rick; but I can't go along with you on that one. The
- "> purpose of the message was not to protect Bill Cooper from
-
- Forgive me for tuning in late, but what did Bill Cooper do to offend the
- powers-that-be? Had I a collection of any author's frowned-upon text, I
- would be disinclined to trash it for any reason short of a court order. I'd
- rather leave it available, with appropriate editoral comments--and allow any
- foolishness or fritterheadedness to reflect on the author hirself.
-
- "Fun with networking."
-
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