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From: [e-mail] (David M. Putzolu)
Newsgroups: rec.answers,news.answers
Subject: rec.guns FAQ Pointer
Followup-To: rec.guns
Date: 6 Dec 1993 01:39:01 GMT
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Summary: This posting contains a pointer to the anonymous FTP
     site that contains the rec.guns FAQ, as well as a list
     of the topics covered in the files at that site.
     Furthermore, instructions are included that describe how
     those without FTP access can use email to get to these files.
Originator: [e-mail]
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Archive-name: rec-guns-FAQ-pointer
Last-Modified: 1993/5/12

Administrative Note 1: In order to make it slightly easier for people
  to detect when new additions have been made to the FAQ, I have
  moved the 'Changes since last posting sections' to be directly
  after this introduction (ie, about 40 lines down from this
  point). I am also attempting to include a short description
  of what each new addition is.
Administrative Note 2: The quality of the articles submitted to the
  FAQ have been really excellent. What is lacking is quantity.
  If you are writing a posting to rec.guns, maybe stop and ask
  yourself, "Is this FAQ material?" If it is, email me a copy,
  and I will be glad to include it.

What follows is the pointer to the rec.guns FAQ list. Due to it's near
encyclopedic proportions, it was decided that the FAQ would be
made available via anonymous FTP, and only this small pointer would be
posted periodically instead.  For those of you that do not have FTP
access, instructions as to how to use email to have parts of the
FAQ automatically sent to you are included at the end of
this posting.

*************************************************************
* The rec.guns FAQ can be found on the rec.guns FTP server, *
*       flubber.cs.umd.edu in the directory /rec/FAQ        *
*************************************************************

In order to allow people to download parts of the FAQ at the
granularity of single articles, each article appears in a
separate file on the FTP server mentioned above. The filename of
each article is made up of the first four letters of each section
and subsection they are a part of, with the first of each of
the four letters capitalized. Thus, the article in the section

X.   Miscellaneous
     H. What about Kids and Guns?

would be found in the file /rec/FAQ/MiscWhat.

There is still a ton of stuff missing from this FAQ. If you
feel comfortable writing about one of the missing topics,
please email me!


David M. Putzolu - [e-mail] - My opinions

-------------------------------------------------------------



I. Introduction
   A. Changes Since Last Posting

by David Putzolu

The REC.GUNS FAQ pointer was last posted on December 5, 1993.

The following list shows a change code followed by a topic
area. The key to these codes is:
C = Change to the topic.
+ = Topic has been inserted or filled in.
- = Topic has been deleted.

Changes since last posting:

   I.  Introduction
   II. Laws
   III. Firearm Information by Type
        C. Semi-Automatic Pistols
           2. Models and Manufacturers
+             a. Glock
         (An excellent overall guide and description of an
          excellent pistol, by Ken Diliberto.)
        D. Shotguns
           1. Shotshells and Loads
+             f.  Different shotgun shell lengths - what's the deal?
          (A good explanation of why there are different
           lengths of shotgun shells, by Scot E. Heath.)
   IV. Comparative Firearm Information
   V.  Defensive Use of Firearms
   VI. Hunting Issues
   VII.Reloading
   VIII. Techniques
         A. Pistol Techniques
            2. Cleaning
+              b. Revolvers (A good how to for cleaning S&W/Taurus revolvers,
          by Josh Grosseman. If someone wants to make additions
          to cover other designs, go for it!)
   X. Miscellaneous
   XI. Contact Information
C      D. Firearms Schools
     (Minor changes to this national list
      of firearm schools, compiled by Ray Terry)
+  XII.Accuracy
       (This subject always seems to have a few questions floating
        around, so I have created a section for it.)
+      A. Pistol
+         1. General Accuracy Tips
         (An cut'n'paste summary full of useful
          tips, by Aaron ?)
+      B. Rifle
+      1. Why Should I Bed My Rifle
         (An excellent detailed answer to this oft-asked
          question, by Bart Bobbit)

Outline for the rec.guns FAQ Organization

by David M. Putzolu ([e-mail])

    Below is a list of all of the topics that the rec.guns FAQ. Because
    the FAQ has grown quite large, it was decided that a pointer to
    where the FAQ might be obtained via ftp would be posted instead.
    For people who do not have ftp access, a brief instructional guide
    on how to use email to automatically have FAQ articles sent to
    you appears at the end of this posting.

    Note that this is simply the outline for the FAQ, and it is very
    tentative. Some topics already have been written about - these
    have a * next to them. Other topics are in the process of being
    written about - these have a ? next to them. If a potential
    contributor wants to work on an area with a * or ? already then
    email the maintainer, David Putzolu ([e-mail]),
    who will send the completed work, in the case of a * item, or
    send the email address of the person working on it, in the case
    of a ? item. Note that some people don't want to be bothered
    and so their name/email won't be included and their contribution
    will be frozen unless the maintainer feels that another
    person has a significant point to add. Contributors: By
    default, your name and email address WILL appear in this outline
    to facilitate cooperation by people on the various subjects. If
    you do not want your name/email to appear please tell me ASAP.

I.   Introduction
     A. Changes since last posting
    * (David Putzolu, [e-mail])
     B. FAQ Organization, etc.
    * (David Putzolu, [e-mail])
     C. Legal Disclaimer
    * (David Putzolu, [e-mail])
     D. Basic Gun Safety
    * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, [e-mail])
     E. Terminology & Acronyms
     F. The most common FAQ on rec.guns: I am thinking of buying a gun...
    * (Moderator: rec.guns, [e-mail])
     G. Why Should I Join the NRA?
    * (Don Baldwin, [e-mail])
     H. I Don't Have FTP capability - can I use Email to get FAQ Articles?
    * (Lance ?)
II.  Laws
     A. Contact info for ILA & other services
     B. Country Laws
    * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, [e-mail])
     C. State Laws
     D. Judicious use of deadly force -- summary.
     E. Relevant Literature
III. Firearm Information by Type
     A. Literature
     B. Revolvers
    1. Commonly Available Cartridges
       * (Chris Luchini, [e-mail])
    2. Models and Manufactureres
        3. "What to Look for in Buying a Revolver"
       * (Kirk Hayes, [e-mail])
     C. Semi-Automatic Pistols
    1. Commonly Available Cartridges
       * (Chris Luchini, [e-mail])
         (Ed Rudnicki, [e-mail])
    2. Models and Manufacturers
           a. Glock
          * (Ken Diliberto, [e-mail])
       b. Haemmerli
          * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, [e-mail])
           c. Smith & Wesson
          * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, [e-mail])
           d. Taurus
          * (Ralph Palmer, [e-mail])
     D. Rifles
    1. Commonly Available Cartridges
    2. Models & Manufacturers
       a. Colt AR-15
          ? (Richard Kinch, [e-mail])
           b. HK
          * (Chris Luchini, [e-mail])
     E. Shotguns
    1. Shotshells and Loads
           a.  Shot Sizes
           * (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           b.  Load weights, shotsize, and Dram equivalents
           * (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           c.  High brass, low brass, and hull length
           ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           d.  Buffered Loads
           * (Josh Grosse, [e-mail])
           e.  What's a "guage," anyway?
           * (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           f.  Different shotgun shell lengths - what's the deal?
           * (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
    2. Barrels and Chokes
           a.  VR barrels
           ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           b.  Rifled vs. smoothbore
           ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           c.  Chokes
           * (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           d.  Barrel length
           ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           e.  O/U vs. S/S
           ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
    3. Models & Manufacturers
       a. Benelli
          * (Josh Grosse, [e-mail])
       b. Beretta
          ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
       c. Browning
          ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           d. Mossberg
          ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
       e. Remington
          ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
       f. Winchester
          ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           g. Miscellaneous
          ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
        4. Miscellaneous
       a. Shotgun Fit Parameters
          * (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
           b. The Difference between Trap, Skeet, and Sporting Clays
          * (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
     F. Black Powder Firearms
    ? ([e-mail])
IV.  Comparative Firearm Information
     A. Literature
     B. Double Action v. Single Action v. Safe Action v. Squeeze Cocker
    * (Josh Grosse, [e-mail])
     C. Glock v. Sig Sauer
    1. The Glock's Case
    2. Glock Rebuttal
    3. The Sig Sauer's Case
    4. Sig Sauer Rebuttal
     D. Reliability: Semi-Automatic Pistols v. Revolvers
     E. Accuracy: Bolt Action Rifles v. Semi-Automatic Rifles
     F. Bullet Velocity & Weight as related to effectiveness
    1. The Facklerite's Case
    2. Fackler Rebuttal
    3. The Marshall-Sanow Case
    4. Marshall-Sanow Rebuttal
     G. Calibre Issues
    1. The .45 ACP's case
    2. .45 ACP Rebuttal
    3. The 9mm Parabellum's case
    4. 9mm Parabellum Rebuttal
    5. Other calibres and their suitability to purpose
    6. Calibre Interchangeability
       * (James P. Callison, [e-mail])
V.   Defensive Use of Firearms
     A. Legal Disclaimer
     B. Literature
    * (Seth Adam Eliot, [e-mail])
     C. Home Defense
    * (Kleanthes Koniaris, [e-mail])
     D. Out-of-Home Defense
    * (Kleanthes Koniaris, [e-mail], entire section)
     E. I want a pistol for defensive use. Which one should I get?
    * (Seth Adam Eliot, [e-mail])
VI.  Hunting Issues
     A. Calibre Issues
    1. Is .223 ok for hunting?
    2. Is 9mm/7.62*39/.357/.45ACP/etc. good for bears?
       * (David Putzolu, [e-mail])
VII. Reloading Information
     A. Introduction to Handloading
    1. Pistol and rifle handloading: "My Adventures in Reloading"
       * (Henry Shaffer, Coutesy of Anmar Mirza)
    2. Shotgun Handloading
       ? (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
     B. Progressive v. Standard Reloaders
    1. Accuracy Issues
    2. Price / Expandability
    3. Rate of Production
     C. Bullet Manufacturer Information
     D. Powder Manufacturer Information
     E. Pistol/Rifle Reloading Equipment Manufacturer Information
    1. Dillon
    2. Hornady (Pacific)
    3. Lee
    4. Lyman
    5. RCBS
     F. Shotgun Reloading Equipment Manufacturer Information
    1. Hornady, MEC, and Posness Warren
       * (Scot E. Heath, [e-mail])
     G. Custom Loads
    1. Legal Disclaimer
    2. Pistol
    3. Rifle
    4. Shotgun
     H. Miscellaneous
    1. "A Report on the Dedicated Systems Electronic Scale and
        and Powder Dribbler System"
           * (Chris Luchini, [e-mail])
    2. "Some Words on Adjusting Dies"
       * (Henry E. Shaffer, courtesy of Anmar Mirza)
        3. What is the Benefit of Nickel Plating Brass?
       * (David Putzolu, [e-mail])
VIII. Techniques
     A. Pistol Techniques
        1. Carry Techniques
        2. Cleaning
           a. Semi-automatics
              * (Josh A. Grossman, [e-mail])
           b. Revolvers
              * (Josh A. Grossman, [e-mail])
        3. Presentation
     B. Rifle Techniques
        1. Carry Techniques
        2. Cleaning
        3. Presentation
IX.   Competitive Information
     A. List of Olympic Shooting Events
    * (Jaroslav Liptak, [e-mail])
     B. IPSC Information
    ? (Karl Rehn, [e-mail])
X.   Miscellaneous
     A. DCM Summary - "Uncle Sam Sells Garand Rifles to Civilians"
    * (Ron Phillips, [e-mail])
     B. Bill Ruger Consumer Debate Summary
     C. Lubricants
        1. Information about commerically available lubricants.
       a. Prolix
          * (Peter Alan Kasler, [e-mail])
    2. The Case Against Petroleum Based Lubricants
       * (Peter Alan Kasler, [e-mail])
     D. Solvents
    1. Don't Mix Shooter's Choice & Hoppe's!
    2. Information about commercially available solvents.
    3. Homebrew Recipies
       a. Ed's Red
          * (By Ed Harris of American Rifleman)
     E. Female-Specific Issues Relating to Firearms
    * (Julian Macassey, [e-mail])
     F. The Points System of GCA'68
    * (Larry Cipriani, [e-mail])
     G. Rob's Quick Guide to Getting a Federal Firearms License (FFL)
    * (Rob Caton, [e-mail])
     H. What about Kids and Guns?
    * (E. Michael Smith, [e-mail])
     I. Literature List
    1. Book Reviews by Henry Shaffer
       * (Henry Schaffer, [e-mail])
XI. Contact Information
     A. Gun Rights Organizations
    1. NRA
       *
    2. ILA
       *
    3. Other Gun Rights Organizations
       * (Peter Nesbitt, [e-mail])
     B. Mail Order Guns & Gun Supplies
    *
     C. Internet Firearms FTP Sites
    * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, [e-mail])
     D. Firearms Schools
    * (Ray Terry, [e-mail])
     E. Literature Reviews Available at flubber.cs.umd.edu
    * (Henry Schaffer, [e-mail])
     F. People To Contact if You are Curious About Firearms
    * (Kees Huyser, [e-mail])
XII. Accuracy
     A. Pistol
        1. General Accuracy Tips
       * (Aaron ?, [e-mail])
     B. Rifle
    1. Why Should I Bed My Rifle?
       * (Bart Bobbit, [e-mail])


I. Introduction
   B. FAQ Organization, etc.

by David Putzolu

   This is the FAQ for rec.guns. It is organized in outline
form with a list of the topics at the beginning. This FAQ is
a compilation of the writings by various of the people in the
rec.guns forum. If you have any questions that the FAQ does
not answer, please post a message to rec.guns and you will
find lots of helpful, friendly people willing to reply. If
you feel that the FAQ contains incorrect FACTUAL information,
(example: the number of cartridges a Beretta 92FS standard magazine
contains) please contact the maintainer, David Putzolu, at
[e-mail].  Include the section that the error is in
as well as the context of the error. If you disagree with some
of the arguments in regards to areas that are a matter of
opinion (example: is a 9mm or .45 better for defensive use?) or
find the arguments to be incomplete, you must provide a complete
re-write of the area in question, which, in any case, may or
may not be included, depending on the judgement of the maintainer
and possibly other self-important individuals. Sorry it has
to be done this way, but I really don't have the time to answer
every nit that someone has to pick with the FAQ. Your other
option, of course, is to post an article on rec.guns on the
subject, and if you find sufficient support to change the FAQ
then it will be changed.


I. Introduction
   C. Legal Disclaimer

by David Putzolu

The contents of this FAQ and the entire FAQ is simply a
compendium of the writings of many of the knowledgable
people on the rec.guns forum. No part of this FAQ should
be viewed as legal advice. The reader must take full and
complete responsibility for the laws regarding firearms
in his jurisdiction as well as proper safety precautions
involving every facet of firearms and related components.
Any and all of this FAQ may contain errors, and it is the
responsibility of the reader to check with his local
law enforcement authorities as to the laws which dictate
how, when, why, and where he may use firearms in any
situation.

Note that each article in this FAQ is the intellectual
property of it's author, who retains the copyright to it.
Permission is explicitly given to distribute this FAQ
in its entirety via any electronic medium. Permission
is explicitly denied to publish this FAQ in any printed
medium. In order to gain permission to reproduce any
part of this FAQ in a printed medium the person/organization
wishing to publish said part of it must get the individual
permission of each and every author whose writings
he wishes to publish.


I. Introduction
   D. Basic Gun Safety

by Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht

Well I guess everybody knows all this perfectly but it is always good
to review these things even if it looks like the first pages of every
gun instruction manual.

Before buying or even handling a gun, one has to realize that it can
cause serious injury or death. Handling a gun makes you responsible
for what happens with it at that time. If you own a gun, you are
undertaking full responsibility for safety and security at all times.
This means that you have to ensure that you or other people using your gun
with your consent handle it properly. You have to make sure that
nobody can steal or use your firearm without your consent.

The actual rules are:
----------------------
Always treat a gun as if it were loaded until you visually check it
out.

Never point your firearm in any direction you do not intend to shoot.
In particular, do never point your gun in the direction of other
people.

Always have your gun pointed in a safe direction.

Before handling a firearm, understand how it is working.

Do not assume that a gun is secure, i.e. some guns have excellent
security systems to prevent accidental firing (e.g. when dropped),
others don't.

Do not put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to shoot.

Keep your firearm unloaded when you are not using it.

Never pass your firearm to anybody until you checked that it is
unloaded.

If you have to carry your gun loaded, always point it in a safe
direction (e.g. the ground). Never carry your gun with the hammer
cocked.

You should store your firearm and ammunition in separate locked
places.  Pay particular attention that no child has access to the gun.

Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

If you own a gun for home defense, most of these safety rules will be
violated.  However in some countries, home defense can be important.
You will then probably store your gun loaded in a place that you can
quickly reach if you feel you are threatened. In this case, be really
sure that it is unaccessible to children.  Buy then the safest
possible gun for this purpose. In handguns, revolver are nice in the
sense that they will not fire unless you really pull the trigger. They
have however some disadvantages for home defense (low round capacity,
the hammer has to be cocked manually at each round to be in SA mode).
IMHO, a very good home defense handgun is a Glock pistol. It has large
capacity magazine, is as safe as a revolver and does not suffer of the
SA/DA problem.


I. Introduction
   F. The most common FAQ on rec.guns: I am thinking of buying a gun...
      what should I buy/do?

by the Moderator of Rec.Guns

You will get much advice from others on the net who read your post.
But what seems to be the best advice we can give you, in my opinion,
is to get enough info so you can make an informed choice yourself.
This is not only a consumer issue, but also a safety issue.   Before
you buy, I strongly encourage you to take a basic firearms safety
class, such as the NRA Personal Protection course.  I suggest the NRA
class in particular because it is generally of very high quality, at
comparatively low cost (e.g., my wife and I, who are both certified
NRA instructures, offer this at our cost of materials);  many classes
offered commerically, on the other hand, offer far less comprehensive
a syllabus, and charge much more.  The NRA class not only covers the
basics of operation in a firearm, but safety issues in use, storage,
transportation and cleaning.  We also bring in both a lawyer and an
officer to discuss both legal and practical issues related to use of
a firearm in self defense.  Its a great way to get a lot of questions
answered!

In general, we encourage people to take this course *before* purchasing
a firearm, since it can help you make up your mind about even *whether*
to purchase.  But also, by being more informed about use and operation,
you can't help but be a better consumer when you go shop.  Many people
find that some firearms felt comfortable in their hand while they were
absolute novices; but once they learned the proper way to handle the
firearm, other models or configurations become preferred.  Finally, by
getting hooked up with other knowledgeable shooters (who take or teach
the class) you can often try out many different types of firearms, to
help you decide which you like.  You wouldn't invest in a car without a
test drive; don't invest in a firearm you've never driven either. These
same people can help you find safe and economical places to shoot, that
is important to help you stay safe and proficient with the firearm if
you choose to buy.

Please feel free to ask all the followup questions you like; safety is
that important to us here.  Also let us know of your experiences, and
give us feedback on how to best help the next novice who inquires.
Welcome aboard -- stay safe --

MODERATOR
rec.guns


I. Introduction
   G. Why should I join the NRA?

by Don Baldwin

Dear fellow shooter,

I asked to write this part of the FAQ because I thought that having a
liberal Democrat advocate joining the NRA would make a point regarding
our firearms rights and the preservation thereof:  that we're all in this
together and that we had all better do as much as we can do protect those
rights, NOW!

The NRA is a very controversial organization in some circles and has taken
a lot of heat from both sides of the gun debate.  Some pro-gunners are
contemptuous of its compromises, while gun control advocates call it
inflexible for NOT compromising.  Whatever your view, it is a sure thing
that if the NRA did not exist today, we would now be living under
gun laws as bad as those in Great Britain and similar countries.
"Needs-based" licensing, registration, arbitrary bans on whatever is called
the criminals' "weapon of choice" by those seeking to make easy political
points at the expense of law-abiding citizens, storage requirements that
make defense use practically impossible...these are the laws we would
almost certainly be living under today, if the NRA did not exist.

Since becoming active in the area of gun rights, I have read a bit about
some of the charges made against the "inflexible" NRA...that they oppose
all gun control laws, that they specifically opposed laws banning "cop
killer" cartridges.  The fact is that the NRA proposed an Instant Background
check as a better alternative to the Brady Bill's waiting period but that
proposal was turned down by the gun control advocates, despite the fact
that a background check could block some sales of guns to criminals and
waiting periods could not.  I have also found out that the NRA *SUPPORTED*
the law banning "cop killer" bullets, once that law was refined to the point
where it would not ban ordinary hunting cartridges.

Aside from their political advocacy of gun rights, the NRA also provides
a number of valuable community services:  gun safety materials and classes,
shooting competitions and criminal justice reform policy suggestions that
would punish violent criminals HARD.

Today, the media and opportunistic politicians are attacking gun rights
and the NRA as never before.  Please join the NRA today and help make
sure that they do not get their way!

     Don Baldwin



I. Introduction
   H. I Don't Have FTP capability - can I use Email to Get FAQ articles?

by Lance ?, Relayed by Dave Aronson


If you have e-mail access to the internet, you can get access to any ftp site
via e-mail from these two 'ftp via e-mail' servers:

[e-mail]
[e-mail]


Here's a help file (on teetot.acusd.edu, as
/pub/Beelzebub/FTP_via_Internet_Mail).



                                How To
                           Receive Documents
                                from an
                              FTP Archive
                           via Internet MAIL

                               ---===---


I have had several requests for documents from the archive at:

        etext.archive.umich.edu

from people that DO NOT have anonymous ftp access.

There is a server at:

    [e-mail]

that can accept "batch" ftp requests from you and then return the documents back
to you via internet mail.


The general way to communicate with this server is as follows:

    mail [e-mail]
    Subject: <return>
        <ftp command> <return>
        <ftp command> <return>
        <ftp command> <return>
            .
            .
            .
        <ftp command> <return>
        quit <return>
        <exit mail program and send mail>


To get a list of commands and some information about this service:

    mail [e-mail]
    Subject: <return>
        help <return>
        quit <return>
        <exit mail program and send mail>


Let's say that you wanted to get a list of all the files available in the JBS
directory of my archive at etext.archive.umich.edu, do this:

    mail [e-mail]
    Subject: <return>
        connect etext.archive.umich.edu <return>
        chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS <return>
        dir <return>
        quit <return>
        <exit mail program and send mail>


Suppose you wanted to get the following files from my archive at
etext.archive.umich.edu:

    LWB/JBS/freedom.from.war
    LWB/JBS/jbs.book.list.01

do the following:

    mail [e-mail]
    Subject: <return>
        connect etext.archive.umich.edu <return>
        chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS <return>
        get freedom.from.war <return>
        get jbs.book.list.01 <return>
        quit <return>
        <exit mail program and send mail>


After a while you should get a response similar to this:

    From: "ftpmail service on ftp-gw-1.pa.dec.com" <[e-mail]>
    To: [e-mail]
    Subject: your ftpmail request has been received

    We processed the following input from your mail message:

            connect etext.archive.umich.edu
            chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS
            get freedom.from.war
            get jbs.book.list.01
            quit

    We have entered the following request into our job queue
    as job number 746315939.01678:

            connect etext.archive.umich.edu anonymous -
ftpmail/[e-mail]
            reply [e-mail]
            chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS
            get freedom.from.war ascii
            get jbs.book.list.01 ascii


    There are 463 jobs ahead of this one in our queue.

    You should expect the results to be mailed to you within a day or so.
    We try to drain the request queue every 30 minutes, but sometimes it
    fills up with enough junk that it takes until midnight (Pacific time)
    to clear.  Note, however, that since ftpmail sends its files out with
    "Precedence: bulk", they receive low priority at mail relay nodes.

    Note that the "reply" or "answer" command in your mailer will not work
    for this message or any other mail you receive from FTPMAIL.  To send
    requests to FTPMAIL, send an original mail message, not a reply.  As
    shown in the header of this message, complaints should be sent to the
    [e-mail] address rather than to postmaster,
    since our postmaster is not responsible for fixing ftpmail problems.

    There is no way to delete this request, so be sure that it has failed
    before you resubmit it or you will receive multiple copies of anything
    you have requested.

    There is no way to ask for only certain parts of a file to be sent.  If
    you receive output from ftpmail that seems to be missing some parts, it
    is likely that some mailer between here and there has dropped them.  You
    can try your request again, but chances are fairly good that if it is
    dropped once it will be dropped every time.

    There is no way to specify that your request should be tried only during
    certain hours of the day.  If you need a file from a time-restricted FTP
    server, you probably cannot get it via ftpmail.

    Ftpmail was written by Paul Vixie at the DEC Western Research Laboratory
    and at the DEC Network Systems Laboratory, from 1989-1993.

    -- Ftpmail Submission Transcript --
    <<< connect etext.archive.umich.edu
    >>> Connect to etext.archive.umich.edu as anonymous with -
    >>> ftpmail/[e-mail]
    <<< chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS
    >>> Will chdir to </pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS> before I do anything
    >>> else
    <<< get freedom.from.war
    >>> get freedom.from.war ascii
    <<< get jbs.book.list.01
    >>> get jbs.book.list.01 ascii
    <<< quit
    >>> Done - rest of message will be ignored
    >>> checking security of host `etext.archive.umich.edu'
    >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' has IP addr [141.211.164.18]
    >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' is also known as
    >>> `hellcow.css.itd.umich.edu'
    >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' is ok
    -- End of Ftpmail Transcript --

    etc...

Please refer to the man pages on ftp for more information on ftp commands.

I will, from time-to-time, send/post a list of all files available on
my section of this archive.

Good Luck,
Lance


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+ David M. Putzolu - [e-mail] - My opinions only            +
+                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ finger for pgp2.3  public key +
+ "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and  +
+  bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against        +
+  tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson                           +