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From: markus@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (Markus Illenseer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.reviews
Subject: REVIEW: SAAR & AMOK CD-ROM, Volume II
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Date: 10 Nov 1994 17:47:27 GMT
Organization: The Amiga Online Review Column - ed. Daniel Barrett
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Keywords: CD-ROM, collection, programming, freeware, shareware, commercial
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PRODUCT NAME
SAAR & AMOK CD-ROM, Volume II
BRIEF DESCRIPTION
This CD-ROM contains the complete (German) SAAR-AG and AMOK PD
series which covers freely distributable programms, pictures, text
files and so forth. The entire CD is directed to the German speakers
among you.
AUTHOR/COMPANY INFORMATION
Compilation License
S.A.U.G. e.V.
Manufacturer
Kreativ Marketing
DISTRIBUTION
Main places to buy the CD-ROM currently are:
Germany:
Stefan Ossowski Schatztruhe
Gesellschaft f|r Software mbH
Veronikastra_e 33
45131 Essen
Germany
Fon: +49 201 78 87 78
Fax: +49 201 79 84 47
and
Saarbr|ckener Amiga User Group e.V. (S.A.U.G.)
c/o Martin Schulze
Parkstr. 14
66806 Ensdorf
GERMANY
Fon: +49 6831 506171
BBS: +49 6838 84739
other dealers will follow.
You can also try to command the CD in your local book store:
ISBN 3-86084-240-4
LIST PRICE
Suggested retail price is DM 39,90; approximately $27 (US).
Street price varies in a wide range, please compare.
SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS
HARDWARE
Any Amiga equipped with a CD-ROM drive such as A570, A1270,
CDTV, CD32 or any supported third party CD-ROM drive.
512KB of RAM required. 2MB or more recommended, with
5-8MB best.
As some of the software package are intended to be copied or
installed to hard disk if used more than once in your
lifetime, you would be in need of a hard drive.
SOFTWARE
AmigaDOS WB 1.3 or higher required.
Works fine with AmigaDOS 2.x.
AmigaDOS 3.1 is highly recommended.
Requires a suitable CD-ROM filesystem such as Asimware,
AmiCDFS, Babel CDFS, Xetec CDFS or the Commodore CDFS of
AmigaDOS 3.x. AmiCDFS can be found on the CD itself.
COPY PROTECTION
None.
MACHINE USED FOR TESTING
Amiga 3000, 2 MB Chip RAM, 12 MB Fast RAM
Several hard drives
Apple CD300 CD-ROM drive (same as Sony CDU-8003A)
AmigaDOS 3.1 (Kickstart 40.68, Workbench 40.35)
AmiCDFS Version 1.14
REVIEW
In a general overview, I would like to explain the why, what and
wherefrom of this CD-ROM. I then will review the installation and the
compilation of the CD.
GENERAL
Well yes, I am back. Another CD, another review, another
critical test. This time I was bribed. I got a free CD from the
SAAR-AG club and was asked to write a review. Here it is. Looks like
UseNet makes names famous. Let me use my text tool construction kit
for CD-ROM reviews. :-)
The name of the CD is composed with the names of the two of the
biggest and most active Amiga clubs or groups in Germany: S.A.U.G. e.V.
and AMOK. Both have different goals but share the interest of
distributing their material to the interested public. Together they make
available a large found of software.
SAAR-AG, Saarbr|ckener Amiga User Group .e.V. (SAUG for short), was
founded by Gerhard Seitz in 1989, and is the successor of several smaller
groups. The SAAR-AG group distributes a floppy disk based PD and FD series
that, in contrast to other series, contains mainly German material for
those souls who speak little or no English. Over the years, they assembled
800 disks full of Amiga programs on all topics and applications.
AMOK, Amiga Modula and Oberon Klub, is directing their series to
Modula II and Oberon users and (of course) programmers. The history of the
AMOK people is not explained on the CD, and I know only a little of the
background of this club. What I do know is that some of the important
people in the Modula and Oberon Scene are involved. Guys like Friedjof
Siebert (programmer of the Oberon Compiler, one of the best Oberon Compiler
available outside the world of the Oberon Machines at ETH Zuerich), Hartmut
Goebel, Kay Bloay and maybe Claudio Nieder do contribute some of their
programs to the AMOK series.
AMOK has a very strict, fixed guidelines for all contributions to
their series. All programs must be made available with source or at least
link modules, must be Style Guide compliant, and must have good
documentation. (Whether all submissions actually stick to those guidelines
is another story). For Modula II and Oberon Fans, this disc is a must.
BACKGROUND ABOUT PRICE
The manufacturer is claimed to be 'Kreative Marketing'. In fact,
this is still the 'Schatztruhe GmbH' who also produced 'Meeting Pearls',
'Aminet 3', 'Aminet 4' and other Amiga-only CD-ROMs. You might know that
the other CD-ROMs are available for a low price - about DM19.80 ($US 13).
The SAAR-AMOK CD is made available for DM 39.90 ($US 27), which in my
opinion is a high price. The 'Schatztruhe GmbH' somehow seems not to be
happy about this price, too, and decided to release the CD under another
name.
I really wonder what the SAAR-AG and AMOK Klub are doing with the
money they earn. It is quite a lot, and they don't say a word about this.
SAAR AMOK CD Vol II
This CD is a compilation of two floppy based series. All original
floppy disks are on this CD. I cannot check whether the original content of
the disks is also on the CD, but I doubt it.
Every floppy disk is made available on the CD in archived form
(lha archives), and some of them in unarchived form (normal directory
structure of the disks).
The CD contains disks 1-800 of SaarAG and disks 1-106 in archived
form, and disks 601-800 of SaarAG and disks 91-106 of AMOK in unarchived
form. This makes a total of 420 MB of archived and 200 MB of unarchived
material.
The CD was mastered in the ISO 9660 Mode 2 format with Commodore
extensions. I couldn't locate any directory level deeper than 4 or 5, so
the CD is ISO-compliant and will work with almost every ISO filesystem, even
on UNIX or a PC. The CD was tested and been declared usable under
NetBSD-Amiga on the above described system; normal users can fully access
the CD, unlike 'AmiNet 3' for example.
The CD has not been tested on a PC clone system. I doubt that the CD
will work correctly there. There are too many files on the CD whose names
are longer than the allowed "8.3" filename scheme.
During the making of the CD, due to a missing 'feature' of the
ISO-9660 filesystem used on every better CD-ROM, the typical Amiga
protection flags are gone. The only (supplied) way to resurrect these flags
is using the supplied lha archives in the BBS directory. This applies to
flags like Script, Archive, Execute and also Filenotes. This makes it
impossible to run shell scripts directly from the CD if they make use of
the S (Script) bit. Fortunately, there are not many tools on the CD
depending on this.
Technical note: It *is* possible to store the missing flags and
filenotes; ISO-9660 and Rockridge Extension do support this. Both the ISO
image during creation of CD and the CDFS to mount the CD, however, also have
to support that extension.
INSTALLATION
There is no installation required nor provided. Some programs on the
CD do require a special environment though, and it is up to the user of the
CD to set up the required Assigns and expand the search Path.
USAGE
What to do with such immense source of programs, goodies, tools,
pictures, sounds, texts and source code?
I was asked not to use the sentence 'Yet another boring archive
CD' - hum, ok, I'll try :-)
Yet another floppy disks based series on CD. A 'Frozen Fish' clone.
Great source code collection. Cheap and well sorted backup media - move your
fantasies on CD.
Indeed, the purpose of an archive CD is limited. It can be seen as a
large and useful backup medium, or as useless, hopelessly outdated trashcan.
Your mileage may vary. For many among y