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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.reviews
From: barrett@cs.umass.edu
Subject: SURVEY: Music notation programs for the Amiga
Message-ID: <1992Sep3.002057.12451@menudo.uh.edu>
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Keywords: music, notation, scoring, printed music
Sender: amiga-reviews@math.uh.edu (comp.sys.amiga.reviews moderator)
Nntp-Posting-Host: karazm.math.uh.edu
Reply-To: barrett@cs.umass.edu
Organization: The Amiga Online Review Column - ed. Daniel Barrett
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:20:57 GMT
[NOTE: This survey was originally posted in comp.sys.amiga.audio
March 1992. The topic has come up several times again since I
did this, so I am reposting it in comp.sys.amiga.reviews and
archiving it at the c.s.a.reviews ftp site.]
In March 1992, I asked for information about music notation
packages for the Commodore Amiga. Here is a summary of the results.
Followups are directed to the newsgroup comp.sys.amiga.audio.
It seems there are only 4 alternatives if you want to do music
notation on the Amiga.
(1) DELUXE MUSIC CONSTRUCTION SET (DMCS), by Electronic Arts.
(2) THE COPYIST DTP, by Dr. T's Software
(3) Buy the AMAX II Macintosh emulator and run Mac software like FINALE,
by Coda. Notation works, but MIDI input and output do not.
[NOTE: AMAX II+ is supposed to handle MIDI properly.]
(4) Use MusicTeX, a set of TeX macros for typesetting music.
Of these options, DMCS is the most limited. It is easy to use, but
insufficient for "real" music scoring. COPYIST produces excellent-quality
output, but the program suffers from annoying limitations. FINALE does run
on the Amiga (verified on an A3000 running 2.x) under AMAX II, but only the
non-MIDI operations. (AMAX II+ supposedly runs FINALE with its MIDI
operations working.)
In my opinion, the notation possibilities for the Amiga are sadly
limited. I have written letters to every major company that has a notation
program for IBM, Mac, and Atari computers, asking for an Amiga port. If you
are interested, please write a letter to these companies yourself. Ads and
addresses can be found in any issue of KEYBOARD or ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN.
Thanks to everyone who responded: Ray Brooks, Frank Cunningham,
Glade Diviney, Dale Gold, Esa Haapaniemi, Dean Hansen, John Ladasky, Chee
Leong Lee, Ranier Mager, Dave McCrea, and Michael Whitten! Here are edited
versions of the responses I received.
=========================== BEGINNING OF RESPONSES ========================
From: Michael Whitten <M-WHIT2@vm1.spcs.umn.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 14:52:53 CST
I use Dr.T's Copyist DTP for my needs. Compared to what is out
there for Amiga, it is certainly the best - it is the only software I know of
specifically targeted for Amiga music notation. Like all quality packages,
power=learning curve and DTP has that, all right. Its output, however, is
superb.
I work at home on my Amiga, use CMD to redirect DTP's output to a
diskfile, then redirect that to my HP laser at work with results that are
astonishing. You must realize, though, that there are many flaming hoops to
jump thru with it in order to arrive at a professional score. DTP's input
can be a midi file, or it can be a KCS file. I use the latter because I'm a
fanatic KCS user. The KCS file must be an .ALL file with the music in TRACK
mode; Copyist will print the staves in descending order of music tracks, ie,
TRACK 1 is staff 1, etc.
Copyist handles just about everything except lyrics. It has all the
traditional western music symbols from legato curves to barred stems, from
odd signatures to appogiatura. It can quantize on user-input increments.
It does divisi, ensemble bracketing, well...just name it. It can even take
a score and convert it back to a midi file....lots of hoops in that so its
not as useful as you'd think.
Although I don't have it, yet, there is commercial software out
there (can't remember the name) that is able to read a Deluxe Music
Construction Set file and translate it perfectly into Copyist. I think it
would be extremely useful.
Copyist is a memory hog and the user could benefit a great deal by
having extra ram (I have just 3M), some flicker fixing, and acceleration,
since it tends to plod; I have found no serious bugs, though....its pretty
solid. Laser output makes it shine.
Feel free to ask me questions; I don't use it that much since I no
longer study composition formally. But if you want to bring out the visual
as well as the aural beauty of your latest symphonic work, then Copyist can
do it. (Does parts automagically, too.)
I don't have a very clinical approach to software evaluations, as
you can tell. But, I'll try to give you my input.
> Did you read the reviews of Copyist DTP in KEYBOARD or ELECTRONIC
>MUSICIAN? They listed some major flaws in the program; have they been
>fixed in your version? (What version do you use?)
I try to avoid those magazines. I'm using version 1.61 of DTP.
(items deleted)
Yes. Alas and alack, most of those are true. Its a dog of a program.
Once I understood those awful quirks, though, I got over it. I would've had
to have changed platforms to get improvement. If you are a skilled dodgeball
player, it helps. None of those things, though, prevented me from making it
do exactly what I wanted to do. A couple of things, though, about those
items you listed: there is a status line with page number in the title bar
and there is a vertical scroll bar on the right of the screen. Mouse is
definitely used for note input, but implemented poorly. Chords with half-
steps print just fine. And yeah, that auto-wraparound and undo are sorely
needed, all right.......Ouch! Damn!
> Finally, how well "Amiga-ised" is it (menus, gadgets, windows,
>etc.)? Does it have an ARexx port?
Atari or IBM port job by David Silver, so hardly a soulful 'Amiga-isation'.
Standard drop-down menus, string gads, windows, though. No ARexx port; does
do macros and a few usefule ones are supplied.
I'm don't think DrT has plans to upgrade Copyist; they're a strange outfit
but one of the 2-3 companies doing SERIOUS midi on the Amiga. They could
stand some true competition....it would help their software's quality.
They could also stand some true Amiga programmers...........UH, OH.......
Help!...I'm another Amiga user caught in the mental drain of the wish-trap.
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From: Ray Brooks <brooks@omicron.cs.fsu.EDU>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 16:07:18 -0500
I use Copyist DTP on the Amiga, and am well satisfied with it. I also own
and use KCS Level II 3.0, with it's QuickScore program. I am NOT familiar
with other programs, so I can't do A/B comparisons. Let me know
specifically what you want to know, and I will try to answer your questions.
Some of your problems I can help with; others, not. I have version 1.63 of
Copyist.
>No automatic wraparound...
Alas, this IS true, as far as I know. Since I generally import KCS
.ALL files into Copyist, it is not a big problem for me. I proof the
unedited Copyist file, and if it doesn't look approximately right, I
just fix the KCS file, and re-import. For those who write directly
into Copyist, it would be more of a problem.
>Poor printing of half note chords with half step...
Chords are sometimes bunched up in an unreadable manner; For
me, a bigger problem is that accidentals are overlaid with each
other, so they have to be edited.
>If time signature changes, bar lines get positioned incorrectly...
If I'm doing a piece with time changes, I convert the MIDI score
with no bar lines (a option, along with key signature, etc.), and
place bar lines myself. Copyist recognizes only one time signature.
>No status line....
not true, at least as stated. Pages number appears at the top of
the screen, and measure numbers appear at the beginning of each line.
>Onscreen ties do not match printed version..(..too short).
Haven't had this problem; But, I don't have a laser printer. Is that
where the problem is? (Copyist has PostScript capabilities)
>Mouse is not used for entering notes...
Yes and no. There is a clipboard page where one can grab symbols
with the mo