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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu,  2 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   84

Today's Topics:
                             C compilers
                   CPM offline reader for Fidonet.
                           Dave Goodenough
                    Rainbow to 386 file transfer.
                        re: CPM to DOS utility
                     Re: Finding System Software.
                         Telcon Zorba Utility
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Date: 1 May 91 09:33:23 GMT
From: fernwood!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!ideal![e-mail]  (Impedantzer (EMP))
Subject: C compilers
Message-ID: <mds.673090403@iddth2>

Every once in a while people ask for C-compilers.

I got the Hi-Tech C in England and I like it :-). The Hi-Tech C was
used for the excellent program zmp; one of the reasons why I chose that
compiler among others. One of the main features of Hi-Tech is that it
is ANSI compatible, so most of the programs written today should
compile with little or no modification. All hackers will appreciate
that all library modules are supplied in source code. Well, nobody
is perfect and the Hi-Tech C has some rough edges but I have been able
to work my way around them with no problems at all. I can post what I
have found out if people are interested. As for the price; it is not
cheap, 120 britsh pounds or 200++ $ (?), but I think it is worth the
money.

And now the most important thing; where to get it:

    GREY MATTER
    2 Prigg Meadow
    Ashburton
    Devon TQ 13 7DF
    England

    Tel. [phone]

As a final remark I want to point out that I have no personal interest
in GREY MATTER, so this is nothing but a friedly hint to fellow CP/M
users.

-- Michael

Michael Dantzer-Sorensen              e-mail: [e-mail]
Department of Computer Science        Tel. [phone] ext. 3761
Building 344 & 345                    Fax. [phone]
Technical University of Denmark
DK-2800 Lyngby

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Date: 1 May 91 21:54:29 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster![e-mail]  (Paul Martin)
Subject: CPM offline reader for Fidonet.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I hope adverts are allowed in here...

CRR is the CP/M offline reader for use with bulletin boards which
run XRSDoor (RAX, QMX, etc.)

It runs on any Z80 CPM 2.2 (or later) system with 42K TPA.

If you are interested, please ask for the file "CRR0110.ZIP" on
your local Fidonet board. (They can get it from the same place
they got XRS and XRSDoor.)

--
Paul Martin
E-mail: [e-mail]
Fido:   2:250/107.3

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Date: 29 Apr 91 22:25:16 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster![e-mail]  (Paul Martin)
Subject: Dave Goodenough
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I've been trying for ages to get hold of Dave Goodenough at his
"[e-mail]" address with no success. Even routing through
wet.uucp gets no results.

Has anyone contacted him recently, and if so what address did you
use?

--
Paul Martin
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 01 May 91 10:12:31 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rainbow to 386 file transfer.

Wow !

1-Your Rainbow, as you say yourself, runs MSDOS 2.05 (and there are more recent
versions which you do not need for this purpose) and is perfectly able to read
and write 5.25 in diskettes formatted on your 386 machine provided you format
them SINGLE SIDED, 40 or 80 tracks, on the 386 (specially if 40 tracks).
                                    ==========
2-Even if you insist running the Rainbow under CP/M-86 only, you still can
read and write IBM-PC formatted diskettes, one-sided only of course, using
the MediaMaster commercial program on either the Rainbow or 386, or the
22DISK utility found on SIMTEL-20/MSDOS and replica servers. The latter
however will only work on your 386 and only if your 386 has an 80 tracks
5.25in diskette drive.

3-A third solution is to use Kermit to move files around. At 19200 bauds the
transfer of what you can type in does not add much time to the typing job!

4-The VT102 supersedes VT100 emulation. In fact we use Rainbows here as
VT100, VT102, VT220, without the slightest difficulty. Watch the setup menu!
If you experienced a problem, make sure that the emulation is set TO ANSI, and
if your communication insists on other than NONE parity (some IBM controllers
do), use 7 bits character coding. You have full VT220 compatibility, except,
I think, that you cannot program 80/132 col. mode from the host but must do it
manually.

5-Contrarily to what too many people believe, the Rainbow efficiently runs
almost ANY MSDOS software, except games and closed packages developped for
maximal display speed bypassing DOS calls, and of course any graphics based
application. It may be difficult to reach that configuration today, but I hold
in my lab a Rainbow with 768k memory (not 640...) and a 20 Mb hard disk, and
won't give it out so quickly. The JOVE editor is more than you need for any
editing job, thus I use it on the Rainbow and other PC's. Any serious compiler
works just the same (I use FORTRAN a lot). TeX runs smoothly with an excellent
Previewer. Clearly, Supermarket software fails, but for real scientific work
it ain't a bad machine at all, even in 1991. The problem is, if yours is bare
with 2 diskettes and 256k only, then of course you must forget about TeX and
such things that need more RAM and/or lots of disk space.

                                Jacques Goldberg, Prof. of Physics, Technion

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Date: 1 May 91 21:55:07 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cc-server4.massey.ac.nz![e-mail]  (P.B. Halverson)
Subject: re: CPM to DOS utility
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

2 May 1991

If you are looking for a program to make your DOS drive emulate just
about any CPM drive, try 22DISK from Sydex.  As shareware, it can fake
more than 200 CPM disk formats.  If you register (or buy direct) for
only $15, they will custom write a parameter file for your drive if
one is not included already.

My CPM disk is for an Epson 3.5" laptop that is about as non-standard
as a disk gets.  The folks at Sydex made it possible for me to pop a
floppy in my PC and read, write, and even format my Epson disks!

I can't rate the product highly enough - or the people.

22DISK
Sydex
P.O. Box 5700
Eugene, OR  97405
Voice:503 683 6033
FAX: [phone]
BBS:503 683 1385

Cheers,

Philip Halverson
Massey University
New Zealand

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Date: 29 Apr 91 13:30:06 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!gmuvax2!gmuvax.gmu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Re: Finding System Software.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (ac999303) writes:
> [e-mail] (David Schwartz) writes:
>
>>Last week I bought an antique OSBORNE 1 computer.  It seems to be in
>>good working order but I have no system software.
>
> I'm in the same boat.  A friend gave me a Kaypro 4 several days ago,
> sans any diskettes.  I have the manuals for the box, plus those for
> CP/M 2.0 (addendums to 2.2), CBASIC, S-BASIC, MS BASIC, Kaypro WORD,
> and Microplan.

I have some Kaypro II boot disks and system software.  I don't think that
they will work but I could make copies of them for you or other Kaypro users
out there.

I might have some Osborne 1 boot disks laying around somewhere.  The question
is where.  Send me a note in a few days and I will have hopefully found them.
--
Blessed         Torin/Darren Stalder/Wolf
   Be!          Internet: [e-mail]
 Hail           Bitnet:   dstalder@gmuvax
   Eris!        ATTnet:   (W) 1-703-824-6424 (H) 1-703-690-1076
                Snail:    10310 Main St., Suite 110/Fairfax, VA/22033/USA
DISCLAIMER: A society where such disclaimers are needed is saddening.

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Date: Wed, 1 May 91 15:41:36 EDT
From: Mike Freeman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Telcon Zorba Utility
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Does anyone have a copy of UNIFORM or some other utility that allows
read/write/format of IBM 5.25-inch disks on a Telcon Zorba that they'd
be willing to part with for something less than a symphony?  Can't
quite figure out how to get FE-IBM (from FE-IBM.ARK) going.
Thanks in advance.
-- Mike Freeman K7UIJ --

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 3-May-91 11:23:55-MDT,10760;000000000000
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Date: Fri,  3 May 91 11:15:20 MDT
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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri,  3 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   85

Today's Topics:
                          FTP site for CPM.
             Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs !
                         Kaypro 10 HD problem
                     need vt100 terminal emulator
                         Re: Dave Goodenough
           Re: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs !
            Re: Link between DEC Rainbow and '386 (2 msgs)
                       SIMTEL20 address change
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Date: 30 Apr 91 09:14:32 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!brispoly![e-mail]  (Chris Watts )
Subject: FTP site for CPM.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

  Can the person who posted the list of ftp sites for CPM please email
  me a copy as I have mislaid mine.



  Thanks in advance

     Chris Watts

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   Email: [e-mail]
          [e-mail]

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Date: 2 May 91 19:39:44 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!gvgpsa!gold.gvg.tek.com![e-mail]  (Greg Ebert)
Subject: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs !
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I've been doing some assembly language programming on my Northstar
advantage, and the CP/M 2.0 assembler sometimes 'hangs' - No errors, etc.
I have to punch to reset switch.

I found that if I sprinkle NOP instructions throughout the source code
(and NO other changes), it finally assembles without errors after
several trial/error iterations. Does anyone know *what* causes
the assembler to hang, and how to *predictably* avoid the bug ?

Thanks.

[e-mail]

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Date: 2 May 91 11:55:30 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!cavebbs![e-mail]  (Lesley Walker)
Subject: Kaypro 10 HD problem
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I have a Kaypro 10 which was given to me with the comment "the hard disk seems
to be a bit sick". Well, I couldn't get anything out of the HD at all, and
having obtained the formatting program, I found that I couldn't format it
either. So I concluded that the drive had died altogher.

However, I have obtained a "new" 10MB HD, and it exhibits the same symptoms
when I try to format it. The error messages I get are

    "Fatal error formatting cylinder 0 head 0, press ESC to continue"

followed by

    "Drive rejected, unable to write map on track 0"

Since it does the same thing with both drives, perhaps it isn't the drive
after all...

Does anyone have any ideas as to what I should try next?
(After I check the cables out, that is :-)

The controller is a Western Digital 1002, the original HD is a Seagate ST212,
and the new HD is an NEC D5124 and has been tested in an MS-DOS machine.
The formatting program is the official Kaypro one.

--
The Leather Goddess - DoD#258    *   [e-mail]
Wellington, NZ. Yamaha XV1000    *   [e-mail]

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Date: 2 May 91 14:00:50 GMT
From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!trantor.harris-atd.com!x102a![e-mail]  (cook lawrence 01316)
Subject: need vt100 terminal emulator
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hi,

I have a Kaypro IV '84 which I use quite a bit as a terminal.  Currently,
I am using the term program on the original CP/M system disk.  This program
apparently uses polling and misses multiple characters.  I would be
interested in obtaining a vt100 type emulator which does not loose
characters! :-)  Also I don't currently have the capability to download
software onto my system so I would appreciate it if anyone could mail me a
floppy.  If you can help please send e-mail and we can make further
arrangements.

Thanks!

                        Larry


--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
             ____                 internet: [e-mail]
Larry Cook   \  /                     uucp: uunet!x102a!lcook
              \/                     phone: [phone]
                   opinions my own.
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Date: 1 May 91 16:43:20 GMT
From: usc!rpi!sci.ccny.cuny.edu!dsndata!unocss![e-mail]  (fg041)
Subject: Re: Dave Goodenough
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul Martin) writes:
>I've been trying for ages to get hold of Dave Goodenough at his
>"[e-mail]" address with no success. Even routing through
>wet.uucp gets no results.

He has moved from the Boston area to the Bay area.  His machine had several
links, some of which I could never get to work.  The one I have on file for
him that worked fine was simply wet!dg.  I always route uunet!wet!dg because
I know that is sure to work.

Good day!       JSW    ([e-mail])

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Date: 3 May 91 04:40:09 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu![e-mail]  (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: Re: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs !
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Ebert) writes:
>I've been doing some assembly language programming on my Northstar
>advantage, and the CP/M 2.0 assembler sometimes 'hangs' - No errors, etc.
>I have to punch to reset switch.
>
>I found that if I sprinkle NOP instructions throughout the source code
>(and NO other changes), it finally assembles without errors after
>several trial/error iterations. Does anyone know *what* causes
>the assembler to hang, and how to *predictably* avoid the bug ?

    Greetings. I don't know about assembler but if I try to
    compile a basic program that does not have a complete
    last line (ie. return pressed on last line) it won't hang...
    well, actually, it will read forever...

    Take care.

--
_______________________________________________________________________________
"The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years
Filip Gieszczykiewicz  "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-)
FMGST@PITTVMS  or  [e-mail] "My ideas. ALL MINE!!"

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Date: 1 May 91 19:39:51 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!ox.com!emory!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!tellab5!laidbak!amiganet!austral![e-mail]  (Russell Rezaian)
Subject: Re: Link between DEC Rainbow and '386
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (albani) writes:
>
>Hi!
>
>I've bought a second hand DEC Rainbow 100 with CP/M & MsDos 2.05
>I use that beast as a VT102 terminal (so NO VT100 emulation... :-)
>
>But sometime, when my bigger machine is polling FidoNet (no multitask
>with BNU & Binkley...), I would like to editing something on the Rainbow.
>
>But the problem is the disk format: incompatible with my other machine.

Is even the MS-Dos format incompatible?

>How to set up a link (via serial cable) with my 386 in CP/M (I like RED)?
>I remember something about PIP...
[.sig deleted]

You could try (On the dec):
PIP A:FOO.BAR=TTY:
and on the PC end:
COPY FOO.BAR COM1: (Or whatever the port is called...)

The thing to remember is that a Ctrl-Z must be sent as an EOF to get PIP to
close the file.

It would be simple to try to get the disks compatible, but if you can't
this should work.
--
Russell Rezaian            |  [e-mail]
P.O. Box 479            |  [e-mail]
Naperville, Il.  60566-0479    |  "One is best punished for one's
USA                |   Virtues."  Nietzsche.

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Date: 3 May 91 16:02:34 GMT
From: stan![e-mail]  (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Link between DEC Rainbow and '386
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (albani) writes:
>>But the problem is the disk format: incompatible with my other machine.
In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Russell Rezaian) writes:
>Is even the MS-Dos format incompatible?

As some other people have pointed out, the Rainbow can read single
sided PC disks (180K, oh boy.  Stop don't tease me like that).  It can
also write to freshly formatted (on the PC) singled sided disks with
some degree of reliability (eg, don't delete it off the Rainbow until
it is on the PC), but since you want to go the other way, that is
cool.

There is something called I-Drive that will allow you to connect a
real PC disk (5.25 or 3.5, no HD) to the Rainbow.  It costs $$$$.
There is also a freely available 3.5" driver for the Rainbow
available, but you need to get your own 3.5" floppy and install it
yourself.  Look at the announcement that I'll be posting to
comp.sys.dec.micro tomorrow for details.

Warner
--
Warner Losh        [e-mail]
Does this mean we can't use your phone?

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Date: Fri, 3 May 1991  03:36 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <[e-mail]>
Subject: SIMTEL20 address change
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

The new primary address for WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL is 192.88.110.20,
with our Class A MILNET address, 26.2.0.74, as our secondary address.

We expect the secondary 26.2.0.74 Class A connection to MILNET to be
DISCONNECTED on or about 20 May so that we can use that in-house
circuit to meet a WESTNET-provided circuit to NSFNET.

Please replace all references to 26.2.0.74 with 192.88.110.20 now, so
you don't get an unreachable after 20 May and wonder why.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives  -  [192.88.110.20]
Internet: [e-mail]    or    [e-mail]
Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz             BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sun,  5 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   86

Today's Topics:
                      Got a cpmmachine but.....
                           HD for KAYPRO II
                          Hi-tech C Compiler
                       Re: C compilers (3 msgs)
                   Re: need vt100 terminal emulator
                      what do ya think? (5 msgs)
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Date: 5 May 91 04:14:58 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!sarah!leah.albany.edu![e-mail]  (Harry Polishook)
Subject: Got a cpmmachine but.....
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Greetings all,
    a friend o mine recently obtained a
        Molecular (?) computer of some sort,
    recently replaced by a 386 in a video rental store,
 the problem is....
    it is just fine for running a video store but won't do
anything else.....
    ok what he tells me is :
        he can't access the floppy drive,
        you can only get at the os through some contorted
            sequence of commands
        the video software don't like you to shell out
        the video software boots up automatically.
        A B and C drives are the hard drive (a 20mb)
    It is a really neato computer ( 3 terminals multiuser)
    but we would like it to do more than rent videos
    can any one help?
        gracias in advance
        [e-mail]
        Harry Polishook

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Date: 3 May 91 20:15:39 GMT
From: swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!mris.larc.nasa.gov![e-mail]  (J. Keith Alston)
Subject: HD for KAYPRO II
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

 Hello,
   I'm looking for a HD and controller for a KAYPRO II. I have no idea
   what to buy or where to look. I'd like something that would also
   run in a 386, if thats possible. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

--
"In this world you must be OH so smart or OH so pleasant...
             I recommend pleasant"----> Elwood P. Dowd
Lockheed Eng. and Sci. Co./Nasa Larc|J. Keith Alston [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 3 May 91 18:45:33 EDT
From: Mike Freeman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hi-tech C Compiler
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <mds.673090403@iddth2>, Michael Dantzer-Sorensen writes:
>Every once in a while people ask for C-compilers.
>
>I got the Hi-Tech C in England and I like it :-). The Hi-Tech C was
>used for the excellent program zmp; one of the reasons why I chose that
>compiler among others. One of the main features of Hi-Tech is that it
>is ANSI compatible, so most of the programs written today should
>compile with little or no modification. All hackers will appreciate
>that all library modules are supplied in source code. Well, nobody
>is perfect and the Hi-Tech C has some rough edges but I have been able
>to work my way around them with no problems at all. I can post what I
>have found out if people are interested. As for the price; it is not
>cheap, 120 britsh pounds or 200++ $ (?), but I think it is worth the
>money.
One of those "rough edges" is that the object code generated by the
compiler does not protect the Z80 X and Y registers over calls to the
BDOS/BIOS. Thus, code generated by this compiler cannot be run on machines
whose CP/M BIOS implimentation destroys the X and Y registers unless the
BIOS is modified. For instance, Zmp (fine program though it may be) will
not run on a Telcon Zorba without rewriting the BIOS (something I am loath
to do since my BIOS has been modified to accommodate speech-access).
For **so** much money, it seems to me, one ought to expect better!
-- Mike Freeman K7UIJ --

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Date: 5 May 91 13:48:26 GMT
From: mintaka!think.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso![e-mail]  (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: C compilers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Please post anything you have found.  I am a happy user of Hi-Tech C
here in Australia, and apart from the occasional bug or two (which sadly
will never be fixed - no longer supported and all that) I've found it to
be superb!  Sure leaves for dead the BDS-C rubbish...  Those ANSI-C
function prototypes are in particular a real life-saver!

To quote Henry Spencer: "Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I feel in order to
be called a C compiler, it ought to at least compile C."  Hi-Tech "C" will
compile "C"...

Now, does anyone have a C++ front-end for CP/M?  1/2 :-)

--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
[e-mail]                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave

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Date: 5 May 91 13:48:26 GMT
From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso![e-mail]  (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: C compilers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Please post anything you have found.  I am a happy user of Hi-Tech C
here in Australia, and apart from the occasional bug or two (which sadly
will never be fixed - no longer supported and all that) I've found it to
be superb!  Sure leaves for dead the BDS-C rubbish...  Those ANSI-C
function prototypes are in particular a real life-saver!

To quote Henry Spencer: "Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I feel in order to
be called a C compiler, it ought to at least compile C."  Hi-Tech "C" will
compile "C"...

Now, does anyone have a C++ front-end for CP/M?  1/2 :-)

--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
[e-mail]                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave

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Date: 5 May 91 13:48:26 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso![e-mail]  (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: C compilers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Please post anything you have found.  I am a happy user of Hi-Tech C
here in Australia, and apart from the occasional bug or two (which sadly
will never be fixed - no longer supported and all that) I've found it to
be superb!  Sure leaves for dead the BDS-C rubbish...  Those ANSI-C
function prototypes are in particular a real life-saver!

To quote Henry Spencer: "Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I feel in order to
be called a C compiler, it ought to at least compile C."  Hi-Tech "C" will
compile "C"...

Now, does anyone have a C++ front-end for CP/M?  1/2 :-)

--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
[e-mail]                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave

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Date: 4 May 91 22:14:20 GMT
From: nuchat!farwest!f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG![e-mail]  (MARC NEWMAN)
Subject: Re: need vt100 terminal emulator
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Try MEX+, it has a good VT100 emulator and is only about $95.  You can
get it from Jay Sage, I think.

--
MARC NEWMAN - via FidoNet node 1:106/365
UUCP: uunet!nuchat!farwest!601!MARC.NEWMAN
INTERNET: [e-mail]

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Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu![e-mail]  (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: what do ya think?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

    Greetings.

    This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those
    whose machines support a hard drive.

    I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would
    like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and
    the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of
    PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive.

    Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms

    I'll take best offer.

    Take care.

    P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the
    drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk)

    P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you
    wouldn't complain ;-)
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
"The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years
Filip Gieszczykiewicz  "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-)
FMGST@PITTVMS  or  [e-mail] "My ideas. ALL MINE!!"

------------------------------

Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu![e-mail]  (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: what do ya think?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

    Greetings.

    This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those
    whose machines support a hard drive.

    I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would
    like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and
    the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of
    PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive.

    Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms

    I'll take best offer.

    Take care.

    P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the
    drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk)

    P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you
    wouldn't complain ;-)
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
"The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years
Filip Gieszczykiewicz  "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-)
FMGST@PITTVMS  or  [e-mail] "My ideas. ALL MINE!!"

------------------------------

Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu![e-mail]  (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: what do ya think?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

    Greetings.

    This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those
    whose machines support a hard drive.

    I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would
    like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and
    the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of
    PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive.

    Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms

    I'll take best offer.

    Take care.

    P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the
    drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk)

    P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you
    wouldn't complain ;-)
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
"The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years
Filip Gieszczykiewicz  "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-)
FMGST@PITTVMS  or  [e-mail] "My ideas. ALL MINE!!"

------------------------------

Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT
From: wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu![e-mail]  (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: what do ya think?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

    Greetings.

    This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those
    whose machines support a hard drive.

    I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would
    like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and
    the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of
    PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive.

    Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms

    I'll take best offer.

    Take care.

    P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the
    drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk)

    P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you
    wouldn't complain ;-)
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
"The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years
Filip Gieszczykiewicz  "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-)
FMGST@PITTVMS  or  [e-mail] "My ideas. ALL MINE!!"

------------------------------

Date: 5 May 91 23:33:22 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu![e-mail]  (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: what do ya think?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

    Greetings.

    This message is only for Kaypro users. In fact, only those
    whose machines support a hard drive.

    I have 2 hard drives, in good working condtion, that I would
    like to sell. One has a decent version of ZCPR 3.3 installed and
    the other has CP/M 2.2. Both drives have at least 1meg of
    PD stuff (ie. VLU, ZMP, ZF, MEX114, etc) on the hard drive.

    Oh, by the way, they're both ST-412s - 10MB @ ~80ms

    I'll take best offer.

    Take care.

    P.S. For an additional fee I will include a backup of the
    drive on floppies (about 5 disks + 1 boot/system disk)

    P.P.S. No flames, please. If _your_ hard drive was dead, you
    wouldn't complain ;-)
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
"The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years
Filip Gieszczykiewicz  "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-)
FMGST@PITTVMS  or  [e-mail] "My ideas. ALL MINE!!"

------------------------------

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Date: Wed,  8 May 91 14:03:31 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #87
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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed,  8 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   87

Today's Topics:
                            Address wanted
              Anyone compiled XLISP under MIX C before ?
                     Attack of the assembler bugs
                           Avatar Boot Disk
                   Looking for a CPM -> DOS utility
                Re: BIOS Problems with Zilog Registers
           Re: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs !
                              zgrep.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 May 91 13:44+0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Address wanted

Can anyone tell me the mailing address of Doug Braun?
I have lost it.

(Doug, if you read this, please contact me.)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ruediger Soerensen, University of Mainz, W. Germany
                    dpt. of atm. physics

BITNET:         ROGER@DMZRZU71
                  CPM@DMZRZU71
paper mail:
                    R. Soerensen
                    Universitaet Mainz
                    Inst. f. Physik der Atmosphaere
                    D-6500 Mainz 1
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Date: Tue, 7 May 91 05:51:27 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Garbage In, Gospel Out)
Subject: Anyone compiled XLISP under MIX C before ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I just bought MIX C for CP/M on 8" and am attempting to build XLISP with
it.  Does anyone remember what changes it required or which options you
took ?  Using Aztec (which I don't have for CP/M) I believe there are some
'.ASM files for the I/O, so I'm not sure about taking those set of options.
I am laboring over V1.2, but will consider V1.1.

Mix C seems to win price/performance wise, per other notes seen here.

Regards,
rcs


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 May 91 12:33 EDT
From: He did! He did get married bare-footed! <[e-mail]>
Subject: Attack of the assembler bugs

Hi!

Would you care to tell us more details? E.g., which computer, which release
of CP/M, which assembler, etc?

Here are some bugs that I am aware of:
   Older versions of probgrams written by David Goodenough hangs when the
   systems make use of alternate registers... Maybe your system does this
   only rarely or makes a mistake once in a while.

   If the source code is too large or the object code too large, z1.com
   tends to hang-some kind of pointer overflow, I presume.

     -John

------------------------------

Date: Mon,  6 May 91 10:19:17 -0400
From: Jay Sage <[e-mail]>
Subject: Avatar Boot Disk
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

   Someone here in the Boston area just acquired a second-hand Avatar
computer, but, as usual, the person who sold him the hardware had lost track
of almost all the documentation and software -- there is one partially
damaged boot disk, just enough to get the machine running.  With some effort
(using Uniform and DU), I was able to make a set of additional boot
diskettes.  However, we would be very grateful to anyone who could provide us
with copies of the complete Avatar software and documentation.  The new owner
cleaned up the equipment, and it now looks almost brand new!  It would be
nice to see the machine restored to a productive life.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.

                        Jay Sage, [e-mail]
                        CP/M Subgroup Director
                        Boston Computer Society ZITEL User Group


------------------------------

Date: 30 Apr 91 16:38:06 GMT
From: att!cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com![e-mail]  (marc.colten)
Subject: Looking for a CPM -> DOS utility
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I own a Kaypro II and have a large embedded base of writings, correspondence,
C programs, etc. etc. etc.  I am in the process of buying a 386 based,
IBM compatible computer and I want to retrieve all of the data on my
floppy disks.  Years ago we used a utility that would read any number of
disk formats (including Kaypro) in the drive of a DOS machine.  Now, when
I ask at computer stores, all I get is a blank look.

Does anyone know a utility that will do this? If you could also supply the
price and a source (chain or mail order) for such a program I would really
appreciate it.

Please reply by e-mail, since I may miss a response otherwise.

Thanks in advance


marc colten

------------------------------

Date: 6 May 91 20:37:26 GMT
From: mintaka!think.com!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex![e-mail]  (Lindsay Haisley)
Subject: Re: BIOS Problems with Zilog Registers
Message-ID: <4sLJ21w163w@austex>

[e-mail] (Tilmann Reh) writes:

> Wouldn't it be better to fight the reason for the problem instead of the
> results? As I pointed out some time ago, *NO* program is allowed to trust in
> the values of *ANY* register after a BDOS or BIOS call (quoting the CP/M-3
> programmers manual). So why does noone search for the error-causing passage
> in UCRLZH and corrects it? (Then it would run on *every* machine, of course!)

CP/M was written for the Intel 8080, and all DRI versions (including, I
believe CPM3) are 8080 compatible, meaning that they >>don't<< use the
special Z80 registers.  The CP/M BDOS, therefore, will preserve the Z80
registers since it knows nothing about them and makes no use of them.  It
was generally accepted industry practice on Z80 based machines to extend
this principle to individual machine BIOS code as well, and with only a
few exceptions, all Z80 based computers which use the special Z80 registers
save and restore them.  Since this rather sound principle was never, to my
knowledge, incorporated into any sort of industry-wide agreement, these
few exceptions did slip through to cause trouble.

Since there are a substantial number of programs outstanding which operate
on the assumption that the Z80 special registers are preserved across system
calls, Jay Sage's suggestion makes more sense than trying to fix >>every<<
program which makes this assumption.  A BIOS fix for every computer which
fails to preserve the Z80 registers can be easily standardized.  A fix for
every program which assumes that they are preserved cannot.


"Everything works if you let it!"
 --- Travis J. Redfish
 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
uucp: austex![e-mail]
 BBS: 512-259-1261 (Znode 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin)

------------------------------

Date: 5 May 91 20:10:31 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!tellab5!laidbak!amiganet!austral![e-mail]  (Russell Rezaian)
Subject: Re: Help! I'm being invaded by assembler bugs !
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Ebert) writes:
>I've been doing some assembly language programming on my Northstar
>advantage, and the CP/M 2.0 assembler sometimes 'hangs' - No errors, etc.
>I have to punch to reset switch.

It sounds like some of the internal symbol tables are getting out of hand.

>I found that if I sprinkle NOP instructions throughout the source code
>(and NO other changes), it finally assembles without errors after
>several trial/error iterations. Does anyone know *what* causes
>the assembler to hang, and how to *predictably* avoid the bug ?

This would seem to indicate that there is something wrong with the the
assembler itself.  Simple soultion: try a different assembler.  If you are
using the standard CP/M ASM.COM try LASM, it is compatible, fast, and will
let you have multiple source files.  It came with CP/M Kermit and i have
been using a lot since.  If you want to do more complicated stuff, try to
find M80, L80 from Microsoft.  I don't think that they are still being
made, but you might find someone witha package to sell.  Unfortunatly these
programs, whie excelent, are VERY obtuse when it cmes to command line
options.  I have to check my manual regularly when using them.

>Thanks.

You're welcome, hope I have been of some help.

>[e-mail]
--
Russell Rezaian            |  [e-mail]
P.O. Box 479            |  [e-mail]
Naperville, Il.  60566-0479    |  "One is best punished for one's
USA                |   Virtues."  Nietzsche.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 07 May 91 11:09:25 GMT
From: Christopher Currie <[e-mail]>
Subject: zgrep.com

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the z-system program zgrep.com?
It doesn't seem to be listed in the Simtel20 directories, though my info
may be somewhat out of date.

Christopher Currie
Institute of Historical Research
University of London
Senate House
Malet Street
London WC1E 7HU
England

------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 10 May 91 09:15:22 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #88
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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 10 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   88

Today's Topics:
                  CP/M system disks wanted/available
                    Re: HD for KAYPRO II (2 msgs)
                                zgrep?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 8 May 91 05:05:22 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07![e-mail]  (Don Maslin)
Subject: CP/M system disks wanted/available
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>


      DDDDDDD   II  NN   NN   OOOOOO         SSSSSSSS  II  GGGGGGGG
      DD    DD  II  NNN  NN  OO    OO        SS        II  GG
      DD    DD  II  NN N NN  OO    OO  ****  SSSSSSSS  II  GG   GGG
      DD    DD  II  NN  NNN  OO    OO              SS  II  GG    GG
      DDDDDDD   II  NN   NN   OOOOOO         SSSSSSSS  II  GGGGGGGG


Dina-SIG has requests for the following software, and would be very
thankful for any assistance in obtaining it:

      Avatar (Z-80/8088) system disk
      Colonial Data Systems SB-80 (CP/M) system disk - 8"
      Systems Group SG-2800 (CP/M) system disk - 8"
      Bondwell Laptop (CP/M) system disk
      VICTOR 9000 (CP/M) system disk
      VISUAL Technology AMIGO (CP/M) system disk

      CP/M-68K Manuals (Digital Research Inc.)
      CP/M-68K software
      UCSD p-system software

If you have any of these, or know anyone who does, please leave e-mail
for  me telling me about it or whom and how to contact.  Many thanks.
      =======================================================

Following is the current list of system disks that we have available:


              CP/M System Disks as of 7 May 1991

                      8 IN

Name         Format   Description
CCS-CPM       SSSD    California Computer Systems 2810/2422@ 9600 baud
CDOS236       SSDD    CDOS v2.36
CDOS256       DSDD    CDOS v2.56 (?)
DLTADCPM      SSSD    Delta D CP/M v2.0
FLGCPM22      SSDD    FFlag Computer CP/M 2.2 v1.31 system disk
FLGCTRL2      SSDD    FFlag Computer CP/M 2.2 control disk
JADE-DD       SSDD    Jade Double D CP/M
LIFEBOAT      SSDD    More Lifeboat CP/M for TRS-80 Model II
PSY48K14      SSSD    Psytech 48K CP/M v1.4
PSY48K20      SSSD    Psytech 48K CP/M v2.0 & BIOS source
TARBLCPM      SSSD    Tarbell FDC CP/M
TRS2-P&T      SSDD    Pickles & Trout CP/M v2.2m for TRS Mod II w/RSHD
TRSIILBT      SSDD    Lifeboat CP/M for TRS-80 Model II
UNK64K22      SSSD    Unknown 64K CP/M v2.2 w/Basic games
WMBCPM3A      SSDD    WaveMate Bullet CP/M 3.0 system disk
WMBCPM3B      SSDD    WaveMate Bullet CP/M 3.0 source files
ZOBX-SDD      SSDD    Zobex CP/M

TRSIIP&T      ZIP     TRS Model II Pickles & Trout CP/M files
TRS2-P&T      ZIP     TRS Model II w/ RSHD P&T CP/M files

                      ALSPA

Name         Format   Description
61KCPM3B      SSDD    ACIDOS (CP/M) system disk

61KFILES      ZIP     Source and .COM files for Monitor, BIOS, etc.
61KSOURC      ZIP     Source files for BIOS, etc., basic & Corvus
61KUTILS      ZIP     Miscellaneous utilities
ACI-CORV      ZIP     Corvus Hard disk related files
MONDYNHD      ZIP     Monitor Dynamics HDC-101x related files

                      ALTOS

Name          Format  Description
A5-5CPM2      DSDD    CP/M 2.2 for Altos 5-5, 5-15
A5-5MPM2      DSDD    MP/M 2 for Altos 5-5, 5-15
A8-2CPM1      SSSD    CP/M 1.4 system disk for Altos 8000-2
A8-2CPM2      SSSD    CP/M 2.21 for Altos 8000-2 (also UCSDP read prog)
A8-2CPMF      SSSD    CP/M 2.22F2 for Altos 8000-2
A8-2DIAG      SSSD    CP/M diagnostics and utilities for Altos 8000-2
A8-2UCWP      SSSD    UCSD Pascal Editor for word processing for 8000-2
A82HUCP2      SSSD    UCSD Pascal 2.0 system disk for Altos 8000-2 HFP
A82SUCP2      SSSD    UCSD Pascal 2.0 system disk for Aptos 8000-2 SFP
UCPFRTRN      SSSD    UCSD Pascal Fortran Compiler ADAP (?)

ALTOSBIO      ZIP     CBIOS222 source files


                      AMPRO

Name         Format   Description
LB-CPM-G      DSDD    Little Board system disk
LB-HDS-I      DSDD    Little Board system disk (hard disk?)
LBSYSB        DSDD    Little Board system disk
LBSYS-E       DSDD    Little Board system - enhanced

                      ATARI

Name         Format   Description
ATR8000       DSDD    CP/M 2.2 for SWP ATR8000
AUTOTERM      SSSD    Autoterminal program for Atari 400/800

ATR8000       ZIP     All files from ATR8000.TD0

                      BIGBOARD

Name         Format   Description
60KCPM22      SSSD    CP/M 60K system disk
X4ACPM22      SSSD    CP/M system disk - variant

60KSOURC      ZIP     BIOS & other source files

                      COMPUPRO

Name         Format   Description
ACT86         SSDD    Sorcim ACT86 Assembler on CP/M-80 v2.2J system
CPM8022H      SSDD    CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2H system disk
CPM8022N      SSDD    CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2N system disk
CPM822K1      SSDD    CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2K system disk #1
CPM822K2      SSDD    CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2K system disk #2
CPM822LD      SSDD    CompuPro/G & G Engrng CP/M-80 v2.2LD system disk
CPM861PA      DSDD    CompuPro CP/M-86 v1.1PAA system disk
CPM861PD      DSDD    CompuPro CP/M-86 v1.1PD system disk
CPMPM816      SSDD    CompuPro 8/16 MP/M @ 19.2K baud

                      CROMEMCO

Name         Format   Description
CDOS256       DSDD    Cromemco CDOS 2.56

                      DEC Rainbow

Name         Format   Description
DECDSTAR      SSQD    DATASTAR for Rainbow
DECOVRBW      SSQD    Rainbow overview
DECRBW86      SSQD    DOS for Rainbow
DECRBW96      SSQD    DOS variant
DECRSTAR      SSQD    REPORTSTAR for Rainbow
DECWSTAR      SSQD    WORDSTAR
DRCDUTIL      SSQD    CORVUS utilities
DRCPM86       SSQD    CP/M-86 for Rainbow
DRDATSTR      SSQD    DATASTAR
DRRPTSTR      SSQD    REPORTSTAR
DRSYSOVR      SSQD    System overview
DRWRDSTR      SSQD    WORDSTAR
MDM9-CPM      SSQD    Modem 9 for CP/M
PCOM-CPM      SSQD    Communications program - CP/M
PCOM-DOS      SSQD    Communications program - DOS

                      EAGLE

Name         Format   Description
EAGLII        SSQD    EAGLE II system disk
EAGLII-A      SSQD    EAGLE II system disk w/ CBASIC
EAGLIII       DSQD    EAGLE III system disk
E-SPBNDR      SSQD    EAGLE word processor disk
E-ULCALC      SSQD    EAGLE spreadsheet disk

COMM          ZIP     Communications programs
EAGLE         ZIP     System files
MOVE-IT       ZIP     MOVE-IT (comm) files
UTILS         ZIP     Miscellaneous utilities

                      ICM/SDCC CPZ4800x

Name         Format   Description
ASCOMICM      DSTD    ASCOM communications program
ICM-SDD       SSDD    ICM system disk
SDCC-SDD      SSDD    SDCC system disk
TD122-1       DSTD    TURBODOS v 1.22 system disk 1
TD122-2       DSTD    TURBODOS v 1.22 system disk 2
TD143-1       DSTD    TURBODOS v 1.43 system disk 1
TD143-2       DSTD    TURBODOS v 1.43 system disk 2
TD-BOOT       DSTD    TURBODOS boot disk

CPM-MNTR      ZIP     CP/M monitor source files

NOTE: DSTD is ICM TurboDOS DSDD format w/o boot track

                      INTERTEC SUPERBRAIN & COMPUSTAR

Name         Format   Description
QD-BIOS4      DSDD    System disk w/ experimental BIOS
QD-UTILS      DSDD    System-specific utilities
QD-ZCPR3      DSDD    ZCPR BIOS and source
QDHDBIOS      DSDD    Hard disk BIOSes
SBRAIN32      SSDD    SUPERBRAIN v 3.2 system disk
VPU-COMM      SSDD    COMPUSTAR communications files
VPU30ENH      SSDD    COMPUSTAR enhanced system disk
VPU30NON      SSDD    COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk
VPU30NRM      SSDD    COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk
WATSTAR       DSDD    COMPUSTAR(?) network BIOS & files

COMPUSTR      TXT     System description
SBRNINFO      TXT     Boot-up information
CMPSTR30      ZIP     COMPUSTAR system files

NEW           COM     Short program to allow 'smarter' C'Star to run
                      non enhanced operating system
NORMAL        COM     Restores screen to normal video

                      KAYPRO

Name         Format   Description             ROM
K10FLOAD      DSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-302-C)
K10HLOAD      DSDD    CP/M 2.2H system disk (81-302-C)
K10FRLOD      DSDD    CP/M 2.2F reload disk (81-302-C)
K10U-RLD      DSDD    CP/M 2.2U reload disk (U-ROM)
K10URLOD      DSDD    CP/M 2.2U reload disk (U ROM)
K2X22G        DSDD    CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A)
K4836765      DSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
K4836768      DSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
K483FDSD      DSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KAYPRO1       DSDD    CP/M 2.2U1 system disk (U-ROM)
KII-6085      SSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KII-SSDD      SSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KP-TROM       DSDD    CP/M 2.2T system disk (ADVENT T'ROM)
KP22GDSD      DSDD    CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A)
KPII-OLD      SSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KPRO-II       SSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KPROSSDD      SSDD    CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
PRO884MX      DSDD    CP/M 2.2M system disk (MICRO C PRO-884-MAX)

K10HDIAG      ZIP     Diagnostics for 2.2H
K10ROM7A      ZIP     ROM 1.7A source
K10TKIT       ZIP     K10 BIOS source
K10TKITG      ZIP     K10 BIOS G source
K10UDIAG      ZIP     K10 Diagnostics for U ROM
KCOM-BCN      ZIP     Business Computer Network log-in files
KII4TKIT      ZIP     Kaypro II & 4 source files
KIIWINDO      ZIP     Kaypro II Windows
KMASMENU      ZIP     MASMENU files
KP-MITE       ZIP     MITE Communications Program (Mycroft Labs)
KP10DIAG      ZIP     KP10 Diagnostics
KP4DIAG       ZIP     KP4 Diagnostics
KPDIAG1       ZIP     Diagnostics for 2, 4, 10 (w/ source)
KPIIDIAG      ZIP     KP-II Diagnostics
KPIISCRN      ZIP     KP-II screen control routines
KPRO-MAC      ZIP     KP (U ROM) source files
MULTICPY      ZIP     DOSDISK files
PRO884MX      ZIP     PRO-884-MAX installation files
SHPHDTST      ZIP     Shipping tests for KP 2, 4, 10
TRMSUPPT      ZIP     TurboROM installation files
URMTKIT1      ZIP     U ROM Tool kit #1
URMTKIT2      ZIP     U ROM Tool kit #2
URMTKIT3      ZIP     U ROM Tool kit #3
WSTAR330      ZIP     WordStar v3.30 for Kaypro Computers

CPM63U        SYS     CP/M 2.2U system file

                      MAGNUM

Name         Format   Description
FC100DIS      SSSD    Micro Design Associates MAGNUM FC-100 dist. disk
MAGBIO25      SSDD    MAGNUM Computer Company BIOS 2.5 system disk

FC100DIS      ZIP     Files from FC100DIS dist. disk
-MAGNUM       ASCI    Note on Magnum disk format


                      MORROW MD-2

Name         Format   Description
MD2PRGMR      SSDD    Programmer utilities
MOMBASIC      SSDD    MBASIC disk
MOMD216       SSDD    System disk rev 1.6
MOMD2R13      SSDD    System disk rev 1.3
MOMD2R16      SSDD    System disk rev 1.6
MOMD2R1X      SSDD    System disk rev 1.x
MOMD2R21      SSDD    System disk rev 2.1

MD2SUPPT      ZIP     Misc support programs and information
QKCHK1        ZIP     Quick Check accounting program 1
QKCHK2        ZIP     Quick Check accounting program 2
MONSTEP       ARC     Monitor/Debugger program & docs

                      MORROW MD-3

Name         Format   Description
MOMD3R22      DSDD    CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.2
MOMD3R23      DSDD    CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.3
MOMD3R31      DSDD    CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 3.1

BAZIC         ZIP     BAZIC Basic program files
CORRCTIT      ZIP     Correct-It spelling checker
LOGICALC      ZIP     Logicalc spreadsheet
MD3SUPPT      ZIP     MD-3 Support programs & info
NW205         ZIP     New Word word processor
PPRL105A      ZIP     Personal Pearl database 1
PPRL105B      ZIP     Personal Pearl database 2
REACHOUT      ZIP     Communications program
WORDSTR3      ZIP     WordStar v 3.0 word processor

                      MORROW MD-5/11 (HD Models)

Name         Format   Description
MD5-BOOT      DSDD    MD-5 system disk
MD5-GEN3      DSDD    MD-5 CP/M 3.0 system generation files
MD11DSK1      DSDD    MD-11 distribution disk #1
MD11DSK2      DSDD    MD-11 distribution disk #2

FORMAT23      ARC     Format program & mods for 96tpi drives

                      MICELLANEOUS

Name         Format   Description
ACTRIX        SSDD    Access Actrix system disk
BONDWL12      SSDD    Bondwell 12 system disk
EPSNQX10      DSDD    Epson QX-10 system disk
KONTRN96      DSDD    Kontron 59K CP/M 1.6 system disk - 96tpi
MOLEC-S9      DSDD    Molecular Series 9 CP/M 2.2 (54K)
MONROE88      DSDD    Monroe 88 CP/M system disk
OATT8086      DSDD    Otrona Attache' w/ 8086 add-in board - MSDOS v2.1
OATTACHE      DSDD    Otrona Attache' system disk
SEEQUA        DSDD    Seequa Chameleon system disk
SMBC1000      DSDD    Sanyo MBC-1000 system disk
SMBC1100      DSDD    Sanyo MBC-1100 system disk

ADAMAKER      ARC     Program & doc to create ADAM diskette
EKDRIVE       ZIP     Driver source for EK 6 meg floppy

                      NNC-CCS

Name         Format   Description
NNC-CCS       ZIP     CP/M 2.2 programs for the NNC processor with
                      CCS 2422 FDC and CCS xxxx memory card

                      OSBORNE

Name         Format   Description
OS1SYS        SSDD    Osborne 1 system disk

                      SDSYSTEMS

Name         Format   Description
CPM30-1       DSDD    SDSystems CP/M+ disk 1 for SBC-300 & VF-II
CPM30-2       DSDD    SDSystems CP/M+ disk 2
CPM30-3       DSDD    SDSystems CP/M+ disk 3

                      SIERRA

Name         Format   Description
MODEM         COM     Modem 7 for the Sierra 5000

CPM22DD       SSSD    CP/M 2.2 DD system disk
CPM22HDS      SSSD    CP/M 2.2 HD system disk
CPM22S        SSSD    CP/M 2.2 SD system disk
HOLGUIN       SSSD    Group of specialized programs
MPM2CS        SSSD    MP/M 2 system disk
MPM2MS        SSSD    MP/M 2 system disk
RECLAIM       SSSD    Reclaim (Findbad clone)

CPM22         ZIP     CP/M 2.2 files
CPM22HD       ZIP     CP/M 2.2 HD peculiar files
MPM2C         ZIP     MP/M 2 files
MPM2M         ZIP     MP/M 2 files
RECLAIM       ZIP     Reclaim files

                      TELEVIDEO

Name         Format   Description
802HBIOS      DSDD    Televideo TS-802H HD reload disk
TPC-1         DSDD    Televideo TPC-1 (portable) system disk
TS-802H       DSDD    Televideo TS-802H system disk
TS-803        DSDD    Televideo TS-803 system disk

MMMST21A      ZIP     Televideo TS 806/20 v1.2 MMMOST 2.11 Rev C Disk A
MMMST21B      ZIP     Televideo TS 806/20 v1.2 MMMOST 2.11 Rev C Disk B

                      XEROX 820

Name         Format   Description
5SYS-II       SSDD    820-II 5.25" system disk        s/n DC0003121
5WP-II        SSDD    820-II 5.25" word processor dsk s/n DC0003121
8202DIA5      SSDD    820-II 5.25" diagnostic exerciser
8202PRG5      SSSD    820-II 5.25" programs           No System
8202SIS5      SSDD    820-II 5.25" system disk        s/n DC0003121
8202SYS8      SSDD    820-II 8" system disk           s/n DC1001697
8202TRN5      SSSD    820-II 5.25" training disk      No System
8202TRN8      SSSD    820-II 8" training disk         No System
8202CPM5      SSDD    820-II 5.25" system disk        s/n DC0003121
820DIA5       SSSD    820 5.25" diagnostics           s/n BD0053000
820DIA8       SSSD    820 8" diagnostics              s/n BD0050266
820SSSD       SSSD    820 8" system disk              s/n BS0054300
820SYS5       SSSD    820 5.25" system disk           s/n BW0061446
820SYS8       SSSD    820 8" system disk              s/n BS0050484
820SYS8S      SSSD    820 8" system disk              s/n BS0050484
820WP5        SSSD    820 5.25" word procesor disk    s/n BW0061446
820WP8        SSSD    820 8" word processor disk      s/n BW0050522

16-8DEV5      DSDD    16/8 5.25" CP/M-80/86 Development disk
16-8SYS5      DSDD    16/8 5.25" CP/M-80/86 System disk
16-8DOS5      DSDD    16/8 5.25" MS-DOS 2.0 Operating system
16-8UTL5      DSDD    16/8 5.25" MS-DOS 2.0 Utilities
16-8DEV8      SSDD    16/8 8" CP/M-80/86 Development disk
16-8SYS8      SSDD    16/8 8" CP/M-80/86 System disk
16-8DOS8      SSDD    16/8 8" MS-DOS 2.0 Operating system
16-8UTL8      SSDD    16/8 8" MS-DOS 2.0 Utilities

EMIIDIA5      DSDD    16/8 5.25" EM-II Diagnostics

16-8DOS       ZIP     16/8 MS-DOS 2.0 files
16-8UTL       ZIP     16/8 MS-DOS 2.0 utilities
820-DIAG      ZIP     820 diagnostics
820-PRGM      ZIP     820 programs
820-SYS       ZIP     820 system programs
820-TRNG      ZIP     820 training files
820-UTIL      ZIP     820 utilities
820-WP        ZIP     820 word processor programs
8202DIAG      ZIP     820-II diagnostics

                      Zenith Z100

Name         Format   Description
Z100CPM       DSDD    CP/M 2.2 system disk
Z100DOSA      DSDD    ZDOS disk A
Z100DOSB      DSDD    ZDOS disk B
Z100EKDR      DSDD    ZDOS driver for 6 meg EK drive
Z100ZPC       DSDD    ZDOS variant
ZBASIC        DSDD    Z100 BASIC
ZDOS100A      DSDD    ZDOS disk A
ZDOS100B      DSDD    ZDOS disk B
ZDOS310       DSDD    ZDOS v3.10
ZEKDRIVE      DSDD    EK drive files
ZMDOS218      DSDD    Z100 MSDOS v2.18


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Date: 8 May 91 12:52:06 GMT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!mris.larc.nasa.gov![e-mail]  (J. Keith Alston)
Subject: Re: HD for KAYPRO II
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (CHRIS MCEWEN) writes:
>Not very likely you will find a hard drive system that will run in both a
>Kaypro and an 80386 MS-DOS box. Are you considering pulling the drive
>from one box and putting it in the other now and again?

  Yes I would like something that could be switched over to the
  80386 machine if I end up not using the KAYPRO.

  From the responses I've gotten A HD for the KAYPRO would be pretty
  expensive.
--
"In this world you must be OH so smart or OH so pleasant...
             I recommend pleasant"----> Elwood P. Dowd
Lockheed Eng. and Sci. Co./Nasa Larc|J. Keith Alston [e-mail]

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Date: 5 May 91 15:43:00 GMT
From: nuchat!farwest!f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG![e-mail]  (CHRIS MCEWEN)
Subject: Re: HD for KAYPRO II
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>


>From: [e-mail] (J. Keith Alston)
>Date: 3 May 91 20:15:39 GMT
>Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
>Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
>Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
> Hello,
>   I'm looking for a HD and controller for a KAYPRO II. I have no idea
>   what to buy or where to look. I'd like something that would also
>   run in a 386, if thats possible. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Chuck Stafford sells a hard drive kit for the Kaypro. It is the left over
stock from Advent and includes a TurboROM. His home phone is (916)
483-0312 (voice) or you can write to him at 4000 Norris Avenue,
Sacramento CA 95821.

Not very likely you will find a hard drive system that will run in both a
Kaypro and an 80386 MS-DOS box. Are you considering pulling the drive
from one box and putting it in the other now and again?


--
CHRIS MCEWEN - via FidoNet node 1:106/365
UUCP: uunet!nuchat!farwest!601!CHRIS.MCEWEN
INTERNET: [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 9 May 91 18:18 EDT
From: He did! He did get married bare-footed! <[e-mail]>
Subject: zgrep?

Is this a cp/m-z80 version of Unix grep? If so, look in SImtel's
CPM.TXTUTL directory - get  00-index, th.txt, that is. There is a file
that is a port of several Unix text utilities, including grep. Same
options keywords and everything. Give it a try. Drop me a line
if you need the exact file name; don't have it with me.

     -John Shin ([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 10 May 91 23:55:13 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #89
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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 10 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   89

Today's Topics:
                        CPM to DOS exchanger.
                           keyboard needed
                   Pet software? Yes Pet software!
            Re: Anyone compiled XLISP under MIX C before ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 8 May 91 19:26:36 GMT
From: wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!slcs.slb.com!asc.slb.com![e-mail]  (Debbie Ayers)
Subject: CPM to DOS exchanger.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

    CPM file  to DOS file exchanger::

    I've heard rumors that such a program exists so
    I thought I would ask the experts. The problem
    is I have several documents that need to be
    taken over to a DOS machine. Both have disk
    drives but neither have connections to the
    outside world.

    I'd appreciate any insight you could give in
    this endeavor.

                            --Deb


Debra L. Ayers                   Internet: [e-mail]
                                 UUCP    : cs.utexas.edu!asc.slb.com!ayers
                                 Work    : [phone]
                                 Home    : [phone]

--
Debra L. Ayers                   Internet: [e-mail]
                                 UUCP    : cs.utexas.edu!asc.slb.com!ayers
                                 Work    : [phone]
                                 Home    : [phone]

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Date: 29 Apr 91 22:53:35 GMT
From: unisoft!hoptoad!pacbell!pacbell.com!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu![e-mail]  (Earl W Phillips)
Subject: keyboard needed
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Anybody know where I can get a keyboard for a xerox 820-II?

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Date: 8 May 91 20:27:37 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!littlei!intelhf!endeavor!flight![e-mail]  (George Rachor )
Subject: Pet software? Yes Pet software!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I know... I know  Pets never did CPM.....

I've added this old Commodore Pet to my collection and it appears to be
quite functional (wow a total of 8K Ram).

Is there by chance any other people who have or know where things like
manuals or tapes (This is a diskless machine) might be found?

Is there some sort of users group?

Is there a better newsgroup to ask about this?

Many thanks,  This pet is all warmed up and nothing to run on it.

George
--
George Rachor Jr.
Intel Corporation
Hillsboro, OR  97124
[e-mail]

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Date: 8 May 91 21:37:33 GMT
From: wuarchive!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!uafhp![e-mail]  (G'zint)
Subject: Re: Anyone compiled XLISP under MIX C before ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

The talk about MIX C in this discussion reminded me that I'd meant to call them up about a quetion I had.

I asked about getting the CP/M disks for Mix C since I already own the MSDOS version.  They told me that I could do it at the upgrade price... $5 + $2 s&h.  And that the reverse was true too!  If you have the CP/M version, you can get the MSDOS version for $5.  Of course, this isn't true for their ANSI C Compiler, PowerC, but it's only $19.95 too, so it's another great deal

So that means you could have the same compiler for both CP/M and MSDOS for under around $30 including shipping and handling.  Not a bad deal....
!

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Date: Sun, 12 May 91 03:15:59 MDT
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INFO-CPM Digest             Sun, 12 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   90

Today's Topics:
              CP/M SOFTWARE WANTED!  YES, I'LL EVEN PAY!
                            HELP! with LBR
                KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted)
                Re: BIOS Problems with Zilog Registers
                      Re: CPM to DOS exchanger.
                         Re: HD for KAYPRO II
              Re: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted)
                      Re: Looking for an 80286?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 11 May 91 06:14:42 GMT
From: ccncsu!mozart![e-mail]  (jan feli baumgardner)
Subject: CP/M SOFTWARE WANTED!  YES, I'LL EVEN PAY!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

HELP!!  I have inherited a TELEVIDEO 803H CP/M computer, and NEED SOFTWARE!

To be more specific, it is a Televideo System TS 803H V1.4, running
CP/M version 2.2 (59K version).

The demo I got with the computer is fun, but gets boring after 11 or 12 hours..

What I REALLY want is a word processor, perhaps WORDSTAR or something,
and I'd be willing to pay for it, although not a helluva lot.
(The computer with Hard Drive DID cost me twenty bucks..)

I know, I know... It's a dinasour, but it would mean a lot to a friend of mine
if she could give up her manual typewriter.  We's both appreciate something.

----------

   Oh, and along these lines... I've noticed that the computer has a 360k
floppy installed, much like the one in the stone age PC I am using now.
   This may be a longshot, but...  Is there any obscure peice of PC software
that can allow me to read/write to CP/M 2.2 disks?
   If so, I could FTP CP/M software (From where? I asks...) to my pc, and have
this magic peice of software write to the 2.2 disks... Instant word
processor! Right? Right!

Email would be graciously appreciated.

[e-mail] (303)-484-9492/[phone]

Thanks.  And Yes, I am serious.  -Felix

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Date: 11 May 91 19:41:46 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com![e-mail]
Subject: HELP! with LBR
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I need help.  Anyone please email.  I desperately need a program
called NULU152 or some such so I can de-LBR the CPM files I have
downloaded.  Can ANYONE help???  Help!  :-)
Randy Padawer
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 10 May 91 12:59:41 GMT
From: prism![e-mail]  (MILLS,JOHN M.)
Subject: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

After reading the post that KERMIT had just been re-released for
CP/M, I downloaded all the files that looked appropriate from
watsun..., and that's quite a few!  About 500KB of cp*.asm and cp*.hlp,
with a few stray items still sitting on our file system waiting
to be brought down.  (I got some reading in last night, even at
2400 Bd. [8*>)

I last assembled KERMIT in v.3.1, which was a single, fairly managable
package: I edited in the controls for my terminal, and built the *.com
with ASM and LOAD.  This looks like a _quite_ different proposition,
requiring separate assemblies, linkage, and (maybe) building a library,
overlays, help files, ???.

Has anyone out there put this package, or another recent, similar
release together?  I would like to know:
(1) Which modules do I _not_ need?
(2) Where are the hardware- and terminal-dependent parts buried?
(3) What is a good assembly and linkage sequence?
(4) I also ftp'd two hex files: kernel and generic sections.  How do
    I patch them together (ddt?), and what functions will I have/
    not have in the generic hex patch?

I expect to use M80 and L80 to accomplish the assembly and link, as
they are mentioned in the kernel source header, and I have them.
Been a _long_ time since I tried to _use_ them, tho... [8*(.

Thanks in advance.

Respond e-mail, I guess, since this may not be of very wide interest.
Similarly, I'll forward the most pertinent responses on request to
anyone else at the level of (knowledge:ignorance) to want them.

John M. Mills, Georgia Tech/GTRI       [e-mail]
[phone]

--
MILLS,JOHN M.
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:      ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 8 May 91 18:44:59 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!ira.uka.de!unido!mcshh![e-mail]  (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: Re: BIOS Problems with Zilog Registers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

roadhog@austex (Lindsay Haisley) writes:

> CP/M was written for the Intel 8080, and all DRI versions (including, I
> believe CPM3) are 8080 compatible, meaning that they >>don't<< use the
> special Z80 registers.  The CP/M BDOS, therefore, will preserve the Z80
> registers since it knows nothing about them and makes no use of them.

Of course, CP/M was written for 8080 and thus uses only those registers.
But if YOU as the applications programmer rely on the existance of the Z80
registers, they must be there - implying that the BIOS might use them, too.

> It was generally accepted industry practice on Z80 based machines to extend
> this principle to individual machine BIOS code as well, and with only a
> few exceptions, all Z80 based computers which use the special Z80 registers
> save and restore them.  Since this rather sound principle was never, to my
> knowledge, incorporated into any sort of industry-wide agreement, these
> few exceptions did slip through to cause trouble.

As far as I can consider, this is simply not true. All CP/M machines I ever
came in contact with, including my own systems (meanwhile 3 different CP/M-3
implementations), dit not preserve the Z80 registers. I never had troubles,
except finding a bug in Turbo-Pascal where an index register was forgotten to
be saved during Console-Input call (but saved for Con-Out!). BTW, the program
that started this discussion (UCRLZH) runs VERY WELL on my actual machine
which does not preserve any register...

> Since there are a substantial number of programs outstanding which operate
> on the assumption that the Z80 special registers are preserved across system
> calls, Jay Sage's suggestion makes more sense than trying to fix >>every<<
> program which makes this assumption.

Again, I didn't make that experience. The by far more logical assumption
that in fact every register could be changed after return from BDOS, is
found in every program I ever looked at (or use, of course). More logical,
I say, because it expands the CP/M specification exactly in the same
meaning it was originally defined: 'You may rely on _NO_ register'.
Assuming some registers to be saved and some others not, is not very
consequent, is it? And never forget: If you are able to use the Z80
registers, the BIOS is able, too! (Eventually even the BDOS, if you got
a real Z80 version, which I miss hardly for CP/M-3.)

To come to an end:
Of course, it would be much easier if DRI had specified that every used
register must be saved by the BDOS and BIOS. That would have led to some
additional pushes and pops in both of them, but would have made sure that
applications programs never had to do that. Also, expansion of this spec
would be much easier (with BDOS/BIOS simply saving every used register as
before).
But, as a matter of fact, DRI did not specify that. And like it or not,
their specification is reality. DRI told every programmer NOT to rely on
ANY register, and this should also be expanded in the same meaning (thus
including Z80 registers, in this case).

Tilmann Reh        [e-mail]
            [e-mail]

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Date: 10 May 91 21:44:17 GMT
From: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!milton!raven.alaska.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!nucsrl!tellab5!laidbak!amiganet!austral![e-mail]  (Russell Rezaian)
Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Debbie Ayers) writes:
>
>    CPM file  to DOS file exchanger::
[stuff deleted]
A lot of this depends on what machines you have.  If your CP/M machine is a
Kaypro, Osborne, or one of a number of other machines, programs exist to
let the CP/M machine write and copy to nad from MS-DOS diskettes.  On the
Kaypro I have COMPAT by Mycroft labs, and it works fine.  You might still
be able to find copies.  I think UNIFORM also works.

    On the MS-DOS end there are also programs to read CP/M diskettes,
but I can't think of the name of one, offhand.  Even these programs will
only read certian formats though, so without knowing what kind of computer
you have I can't be of any futher help.  Good luck!  (You might end up
finding it simpler to put a serial port on the MS-DOS computer just for
this purpose, it may be cheaper, and simpler in the long run...)
--
Russell Rezaian            |  [e-mail]
P.O. Box 479            |  [e-mail]
Naperville, Il.  60566-0479    |  "One is best punished for one's
USA                |   Virtues."  Nietzsche.

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Date: 9 May 91 01:12:39 GMT
From: wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!mips!pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc![e-mail]  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: HD for KAYPRO II
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (CHRIS MCEWEN) writes:

> Chuck Stafford sells a hard drive kit for the Kaypro. It is the left over
> stock from Advent and includes a TurboROM. His home phone is (916)
> 483-0312 (voice) or you can write to him at 4000 Norris Avenue,
> Sacramento CA 95821.

I said this before, but I don't know if it ever got out onto the
net, but if anyone prefers to e-mail him, send it to me and I'll
make sure he gets it as he's not on the net.  Chuck Stafford and
I belong to the same user group (I don't own a Kaypro, but I'm
still a CP/M freak!) and are good friends.

> Not very likely you will find a hard drive system that will run in both a
> Kaypro and an 80386 MS-DOS box. Are you considering pulling the drive
> from one box and putting it in the other now and again?

I have the feeling that he means something to the effect of a
"Uniform for hard disks" as it were, which there ain't no such thing as
yet...

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Date: Sat, 11 May 91 07:18 CST
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hello,

writes [e-mail] (MILLS,JOHN M.):
>After reading the post that KERMIT had just been re-released for
>CP/M, I downloaded all the files that looked appropriate from
>watsun..., and that's quite a few!  About 500KB of cp*.asm and cp*.hlp,
>with a few stray items still sitting on our file system waiting
>to be brought down.  (I got some reading in last night, even at
>2400 Bd. [8*>)

From reading the rest of your post, it seems you left out the most
important file for the moment, CPKERM.DOC.  This file is the
documentation for Kermit-80.  It was also updated for the new
release. It explains how to use kermit, and how to install it
on your system, even re-assembling if necessary.  CPKERM.PS is
cpkerm.doc on postscript format and prints a nicely formatted
Kermit-80 manual.

If you system is one of those supported (you never did mention
what system you were trying to get kermit to support in your
post) all you need to do is mload the overlay for your system
cpxxxx.hex with the system independent file cpsker.hex.  The
mload program is available from the kermit server along with
its documentation.

>Has anyone out there put this package, or another recent, similar
>release together?  I would like to know:
>(1) Which modules do I _not_ need?

This is described in cpkerm.doc.

>(2) Where are the hardware- and terminal-dependent parts buried?

The hardware and terminal dependent parts are buried in the system
specific overlay file.

>(3) What is a good assembly and linkage sequence?

Kermit-80 is designed to be assembled with the LASM public domain
assembler. It can also be assembled with m80, but I have not tried
this as I don't have m80.  Since you should be able to use the
system independent hex file as you got it from the server, only one
assembly should be needed if your system is not already one of those
supported. The hex file created by lasm.com is then merged with the
system independent file with mload.com.  Lasm.com is the asm.com
assembler with a LINK command added which allow chaining of files
at assembly time.  It is also 2K smaller than asm.com.

>(4) I also ftp'd two hex files: kernel and generic sections.  How do
>    I patch them together (ddt?), and what functions will I have/
>    not have in the generic hex patch?

Mload.com is used to merge the system independent and system dependent
hex files into one executable .com file.  Mload and its documentation
are available from the kermit server and simtel20. If your system is
covered by one of the system dependent hex files, you do not need to
re-assemble.

>I expect to use M80 and L80 to accomplish the assembly and link, as
>they are mentioned in the kernel source header, and I have them.
>Been a _long_ time since I tried to _use_ them, tho... [8*(.

Lasm.com is available from the same place you got the other kermit
sources.  It is also available on simtel20, along with its sources.

I hope this helps.

>Thanks in advance.
>
>John M. Mills, Georgia Tech/GTRI       [e-mail]
>[phone]
>

Lance Tagliapietra   [e-mail]

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Date: 10 May 91 19:34:20 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc![e-mail]  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: Looking for an 80286?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Frank Zsitvay) writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> >If you are looking for an 80286, this one is for you.
>
> No, I'm not looking for a bloody pee-cee waste-of-silicon!!
> And judging from the name of this newsgroup, I doubt anyone else here
> is.
>
> >Here it is:
> >
> [a nice, neat little list of "features" deleted]
>
> >     I am asking for $ 1350, but it is negotiable.
> >Please send e-mail if anyone is interested.
>
> Look, if you want to sell your computer, and it isn't a cp/m box, then
> post it in a for sale group local to your hometown.  Just because we
> have a newsgroup about cp/m doesn't mean that we're using cp/m until
> we can afford your whizzy clone.  think: maybe we LIKE using these old
> beasts??
>
>
> --
> [e-mail] - but don't quote me on that....
>
>   No wonder I can't hold a regular sleeping schedule.  My subconcious mind
> knows we are only one well-placed bullet from having Quayle as president.

I already bawled him out about it in mail.  Well, not "bawled him
out", but a gentle nudge, and he said that he would take his biz
elsewhere.  Also, be nice!  I share your sentiments about those
clones being a waste of silicon; I know because I _OWN_ one!  And
I didn't have to pay a thing for it!

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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 13 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   91

Today's Topics:
                      Re: CPM to DOS exchanger.
                          Re: HELP! with LBR
              Re: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted)
                      Re: Looking for an 80286?
                            Re: zgrep.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 12 May 91 06:33:07 GMT
From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc![e-mail]  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Russell Rezaian) writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Debbie Ayer
> >
> >    CPM file  to DOS file exchanger::
> [stuff deleted]

[even more deleted]

>       On the MS-DOS end there are also programs to read CP/M diskettes,
> but I can't think of the name of one, offhand.

Try Uniform PC or 22DISK.  I suggest the latter because it's
easily avaiable, cheaper, and, unlike Uniform PC (DO correct me
if I'm wrong because I want to be able to do it), you can
configure it to read just about any format of diskette out there,
with certain obvious exceptions, of course, like hard-sectored
diskettes or non-MFM formats (YES, MFM is applicable in the
floppy diskette world for you DOS folks who are computer
neophytes) like Apple, but I hear of some cards that will read
THOSE.

> Even these programs will
> only read certian formats though, so without knowing what kind of computer
> you have I can't be of any futher help.

At least, those that were predefined.  Like I said, 22DISK can be
configured for just about any MFM-format disk.  I had to make an
entry to read diskettes formatted on my sister's computer. Sadly,
Uniform cannot handle that.

Re: Being "of further help"

I belive I just was...  :-)

> Good luck!

If you have an old Ozzy using SSSD drives, you'll need it!  And
you'll need a controller you can modify; the instructions
therefor are in the 22DISK docs.  If you're using Uniform PC, you
just SOL, unless MicroSolutions' CompatiCard can handle SD, and I
believe that 22DISK will handle that as well.

> (You might end up
> finding it simpler to put a serial port on the MS-DOS computer just for
> this purpose, it may be cheaper, and simpler in the long run...)

Yep, sometimes the format isn't properly interpreted by the PC or
laid down to spec by the original computer and said computer
don't give a $#!+ about the sectoring, just as long as the
intersector gaps are right and it knows how to find sector 0 and
dynamically change interleave.  I know my 8" drive does on my
Dynabyte because I try to feed "3740" formatted disks which I
format on it to my CompuPro, the data come in the wrong order; if
I format it on the CompuPro "3740", put it in the Dynabyte, write
some stuff on it, then read it on the C'Pro, it reads the sectors
in their proper order.

------------------------------

Date: 13 May 91 00:34:01 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com![e-mail]
Subject: Re: HELP! with LBR
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Help was indeed received.  Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: 13 May 91 13:40:15 GMT
From: prism![e-mail]  (MILLS,JOHN M.)
Subject: Re: KERMIT 4.11 Installation (Help Wanted)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes:
>Hello,
>
>writes [e-mail] (MILLS,JOHN M.):
>>After reading the post that KERMIT had just been re-released for
>>CP/M, I downloaded all the files that looked appropriate from
>>watsun..., and that's quite a few!  About 500KB of cp*.asm and cp*.hlp,

Thanks for all the response I got on this.  Eight respondents so far,
with many useful comments.  I probably don't need any more advice,
until I have had time to make some more mistakes.  Thanks to all.

When I get done, I'll be happy to post a note to that effect, and
send a summary then to anyone who would like it.

>From reading the rest of your post, it seems you left out the most
>important file for the moment, CPKERM.DOC.  This file is the
>documentation for Kermit-80.  It was also updated for the new
>release. It explains how to use kermit, and how to install it

That sounds like the best advice:
When in doubt,
READ THE DIRECTIONS.

>If you system is one of those supported (you never did mention
>what system you were trying to get kermit to support in your
>post) all you need to do is mload the overlay for your system
>cpxxxx.hex with the system independent file cpsker.hex.  The
>mload program is available from the kermit server along with
>its documentation.

I haven't been using MLOAD or LASM.  Sounds like they are worth
having.

Ans: My system is a Z-80, SD-Systems, SBC-200 (or -300 .. I can't
remember).  256 KBy RAM, incl. 192K as a RAMDisk.  All that's
generic, of course.  The adaptation I meant was for my serial-
port addresses and flags (SSM-I/O4 --anyone remember SSM?), and for
the Adds Viewpoint terminal.  That's a traditional, unbreakable
CP/M _boat_anchor_, in other words.

When I patched my existing Kermit source, I added conditionals for
the cursor and screen control codes, sim. to the structure for the
Superbrain, Heath, etc..

I expect I will now write a short definition file of some kind, or
patch the *.asm for some similar industry-standard terminal.

I left most of the details out here -- just wanted to say 'Thanks'
to the numerous people who responded to my request.

Regards --jmm--

--
MILLS,JOHN M.
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:      ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 12 May 91 17:07:14 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu![e-mail]  (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: Re: Looking for an 80286?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ian Justman) writes:
>
>I already bawled him out about it in mail.  Well, not "bawled him
>out", but a gentle nudge, and he said that he would take his biz
>elsewhere.  Also, be nice!  I share your sentiments about those
>clones being a waste of silicon; I know because I _OWN_ one!  And
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I didn't have to pay a thing for it!


    Greetings. So do I! But I will strongly disagree with the
    first statement! With a 486 running at 25 MHz I can use
    an emulator for a Z80 and run most (if not all) of my Kaypro
    stuff. Doesn't mean I don't use the K10, either. Even though
    my Kaypro 10 is far from a "portable" it's much better at it
    than the 50+ lb 486 :-)    Besides, show me a z80-based machine
    than can raytrace a 640X486X256 complex scene in under 30 minutes
    :-)

    Take care.

    P.S. QNOTD (Qute note of the day) Did you know that Norton
    Utilities (for the IBM PC) actually has the capability to
    create a CP/M partition on a hard drive.... Hmmm..........
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
"The Force will be with you, always." It _is_ with me and has been for 11 years
Filip Gieszczykiewicz  "... a Jedi does it with a mind trick... " ;-)
FMGST@PITTVMS  or  [e-mail] "My ideas. ALL MINE!!"

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Date: 12 May 91 11:46:44 GMT
From: nuchat!farwest!f601.n106.z1.FIDONET.ORG![e-mail]  (CHRIS MCEWEN)
Subject: Re: zgrep.com
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

>From: [e-mail] (Christopher Currie)
>Date: 7 May 91 11:09:25 GMT
>Organization: The Internet
>Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
>Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm
>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the z-system program zgrep.com?
>It doesn't seem to be listed in the Simtel20 directories, though my info
>may be somewhat out of date.

I suggest the Z-System Software Update Service. We can provide almost any
Z-System software that has ever been released. Send $4.00 as MC/VISA
charge or bank draft  (on a US bank in US funds) or International Money
Order to Sage Microsystems East, 1435 Centre Street, Newton Centre MA
02159-2469 USA for the catalog disk, which has a database of all the
releases available. Be sure to tell them your disk format!

Note to others: the $4.00 price includes foreign postage. Price within
North America is $2.00.


--
CHRIS MCEWEN - via FidoNet node 1:106/365
UUCP: uunet!nuchat!farwest!601!CHRIS.MCEWEN
INTERNET: [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 16 May 91 22:28:23 MDT
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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 16 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   92

Today's Topics:
                 how to read cpm disk drive from pc?
                        Kermit-80 Version 4.11
                          ZIPping under CP/M
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 14 May 91 20:31:13 GMT
From: sdcc6!sdcc13![e-mail]  (Suro)
Subject: how to read cpm disk drive from pc?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Is there a program out there that will let me read cpm disk drives
via serial port of a pc?

The cpm machine reads like this on boot up time:

(turn key)
JADE COMPUTER SYSTEMS MONITER 2.2B

EFFF
#

(insert system disk, then press 'e')

JADE COMPUTER SYSTEMS
60K CP/M 2.2 DDBIOS 2

I'd like to be able to read the cpm disk drive via pc's serial port,
so I can copy the cpm disk to pc (sort of like using dos's copy
command).  Currently I use a customized file transfer program, but I
find it rather slow for the daunting task I have (I have to transfer
500+ diskettes).

If there exists such a program, could anyone direct me to the
source?

Please reply via email...

Thank you,

--

Robert W. Kim                            [e-mail]
University of California, San Diego.     [e-mail]
"I'd love to go out with you, but I have to floss my cat."

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Date: Tue, 14 May 91 11:46:47 EDT
From: Mike Freeman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kermit-80 Version 4.11
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Dear Mr. Mills:
     In a recent Info-cpm digest, in article <[e-mail]>,
you asked how to get Kermit-80 version 4.11. going.  Lance
Tagliapietra's answer was a good one.  You also might want to get
cpaaaa.hlp from watsun's ~kermit/a/ directory; this gives the machines
that Kermit-80 currently supports along with the filenames of the Intel
hex files for those machines.  As Mr. Tagliapietra says, you probably
won't have to rebuild the system-independent part of Kermit-80.  If your
CP/M machine is one of those currently supported by Kermit-80, you need
only get the system-dependent hex file and combine them with MLOAD, DDT,
DDTZ or whatever (MLOAD and DDTZ are my preferences since they don't
require you to calculate image length for a CP/M SAVE).  If your system
is not supported, pick up cpxtyp.asm, cpxcom.asm, cpxlnk.asm and
cpxswt.asm.  Currently, systems are organized into "families", as, for
example, Amstrad machines.  If you were going to recompile Amstrad
Kermit's system-dependent file, you'd also get cpxpcw.asm.  Some systems
(as, for example, the HP-125) are in the files cpxsys.asm and
cpxsy2.asm, which you'd get.  In any case, if your system isn't
supported, get a "family" file that's close or create one yourself.  If
your system doesn't have a built-in terminal, you'll also need
cpxvdu.asm (which contains terminal drivers).  Set the appropriate
switch in cpxtyp.asm to true (or put one in for your system if it isn't
supported), set a terminal-switch to TRUE (or select Generic CRT if
nothing's listed for your terminal or put your terminal's codes into a
family file or cpxvdu.asm), get LASM or M80 and compile away. L80 can be
used to link the system-dependent file but you must be sure to do a
/P:7000 as the first part of the L80 command tail so the REL-file has
the proper absolute address.  You still need MLOAD, DDT, DDTZ or
whatever to combine the files, so why not get LASM and use it, too.
Hope this message along with Mr. Tagliapietra's message helps you.  Feel
free to ask either him or me any Kermit-80 queries you'd like.
     By the way, I think you'll like Kermit-80 4.11.  It's got support
for many REMOTE commands (advanced server commands).  It's only drawback
is that it doesn't support repeat-prefixing or extended-length packets
yet -- get QTERM version 43E (along with my bug fix for it) to get those
features.
     Cheers!
     -- Mike Freeman K7UIJ --
     301 N.E. 107th Street
     Vancouver, WA 98685
     [phone] (home)
     [phone] (work)
P.S. If your system isn't supported, you'll also need to (a) create a
family switch in cpxtyp.asm or (b) set sysfam TRUE and put your code in
cpxsys.asm/cpxsy2.asm.  Then compile and link. -- Mike Freeman K7UIJ --

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Date: Wed, 15 May 91 14:18:18 EDT
From: Mike Freeman <[e-mail]>
Subject: ZIPping under CP/M
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Has anyone heard of a PD or shareware program to create .ZIP files
which runs on CP/M systems?  There was an inquiry about this on Norman
Beeler's BBS (408-245-1420) recently and one of the answers was that
the writer thought such a beastie might exist.  I've never heard of
such an animal but would dearly like to acquire it (even if slow) if it
exists.  (I know about the various UNZIPping programs).
Thanks in advance.
-- Mike Freeman K7UIJ --

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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 21 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   93

Today's Topics:
                                 LHA
                        Osborne 1 - Questions
                        re: cp/m software wan
                  Re: CPM to DOS exchanger. (2 msgs)
                          Termcap: Osborne-1
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 17 May 91 11:14:07 GMT
From: eru!hagbard!sunic!dkuug!imada![e-mail]  (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen)
Subject: LHA
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Recently the dos archiver LHARC was superceded by the LHA version.
Unaware of this I downloaded a 70+ kb file which I cannot unarchive
now with the LHRD utility (version 1.1).  It crashes with "Unknown
archive method"

Do anybody know of an upgrade which does LHA formats too?

--
Thorbjorn Andersen
[e-mail]


--
Thorbj\o{}rn Ravn Andersen 'Normally I kill people for money.  You are my
[e-mail]            friend; I will kill you for nothing' -- Chico Marx

There are three possible parts to a date, of which at least two must be

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Date: 17 May 91 09:59:04 GMT
From: olivea!samsung!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix![e-mail]  (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: Osborne 1 - Questions
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hello Netlanders.

I have been given an Osborne 1 (to go with my other CP/M machines).  I
was rather lucky that I got the original disks (and some others) with it
(but not manuals) and all for the price of nothing....

However, I have some problems and some questions.   First, a bit about
the machine.  An Osborne 1, with double density drives, a rom which
states something like: 7A8007-00 Rev A D7AC OCC. There may be more roms,
etc... I didn't go looking around much.

I also got three "original" looking disks - CP/M 2.2, System and
Utility, CBASIC/MBASIC, and SUPERCALC.  A small number of other disks
came with the system, a lot of them backups/modified versions of the
above.  I think there is also a copy of WordStar somewhere in there.

Anyway, the problems:  1.  B drive refuses to read disks.  It complains
that the disks are unformatted (they are formatted, they work on drive
A).  I have taken the machine apart and looked at the drive, but I
didn't spot anything in my quick inspection that looked wrong. The
select lines make it to the right chips etc.  I ran out of time to check
the R/W data lines.   I would appreciate any suggestions that people
have for why this doesn't work and/or what to check next.  Oh, BTW, I
have tried cleaning the disk heads.   Also, if it is of use, I have an
old (5.25 Double sided, Double Density) IBM disk drive (full height,
even... :-) -- would this work in its place?

And the next one:  2.  I have very little documentation.  Not that CP/M
itself is a problem (I have been using it for several years), but the
specifics of the Osborne are.  I know enough about the disk format to be
able to get stuff from my other machines to it, but I don't know
anything about the pinouts of the various connectors on the machine. I
presume the one labeled RS232 is pretty standard....  although I seem to
remember hearing something about it being slightly strange.

The modem port looks interesting -- can anyone tell me the pin outs.  I
will pull a copy of the Mex overlay for the Osborne off our Simtel
mirror (a year or so out of date, but still lots of nice stuff), and get
that going.  But that still leaves the physical cable details to
determine.  I can use a soldering iron... :-)

Thanks, in advance, for your help.   Replies by mail, or in this group.
Either should get to me pretty quickly.

--
Ewen McNeill, [e-mail]

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Date: 19 May 91 04:12:06 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lsuc!canrem![larry.moore%canrem.uucp]@ucsd.edu  (larry moore)
Subject: re: cp/m software wan
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Blair Groves of Milton Ontario (416-875 3949) has some of those machines
networked to a 40 meg HD running the PICS Bulletin Board software.
If the long distance charges don't bother you, or you're as desparate as
you seem, give him a call. He can give you pointers to sources of TV
software - vendors, service stations, etc. still in business.
--
Canada Remote Systems.  Toronto, Ontario
NorthAmeriNet Host

------------------------------

Date: 19 May 91 20:00:00 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex![e-mail]  (Lindsay Haisley)
Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger.
Message-ID: <Pqm821w163w@austex>

[e-mail] (Russell Rezaian) writes:

>
>     On the MS-DOS end there are also programs to read CP/M diskettes,
> but I can't think of the name of one, offhand.  Even these programs will
> only read certian formats though, so without knowing what kind of computer
> you have I can't be of any futher help.  Good luck!  (You might end up
> finding it simpler to put a serial port on the MS-DOS computer just for
> this purpose, it may be cheaper, and simpler in the long run...)
> --

There are a couple of good programs set for MSDOS machines which allow
them to read a >wide< variety of CP/M disk formats.  A pretty good
program is 22DISK from Sydex.  Their address is P.O. Box 5700, Eugene, OR
97405.  Their phones are [phone] (voice), [phone] (FAX) and
[phone] (data).  22DISK consists of a set of programs which are
analogous to the copy, dir, format, type and erase functions in MSDOS except
that they see a floppy drive via a selected CP/M format.  The registered
version contains support for over 270 different CP/M formats plus the
ability to add custom formats if you know the disk setup parameters.  The
latter can be determined with another of Sydex's offerings called Anadisk
which analyzes the disk format on just about any disk except Apple and
Commodore disks, which do not use FM data encoding.  I use 22DISK and have
had good results with it.  It comes as shareware (the shareware version
doesn't support quite so many CP/M formats) and registration is reasonable
at $25.

The second option is UniForm -PC from Nicro Solutions - the same folks who
made the venerable UniForm for CP/M machines throughout the 80's.  Their
advirtising states that UniForm-PC supports "hundreds of different diskette
formats", which is probably true.  Micro Solutions is at 132 West Lincoln
Hwy, DeKalb, IL  60115.  Phones are [phone] (voice) and
[phone] (FAX).  UniForm-PC works essentially the same as the old
UniForm for CP/M, installing a device driver or TSR so that standard
DOS functions can be used to work on the target floppy, which is managed
in a CP/M format.  The price, I think, is somewhere between $60 and $80.

I have had good luck with 22DISK and found the the Sydex people to be
friendly and helpful.  I do have a friend, though, who distributes CP/M
disks professionally and, having tried both, prefers UniForm-PC for
rock solid reliability (the cost of redoing and remailing an overseas
shipment of disks can exceed the cost of either program!).  22DISK allows
access to all CP/M user areas on a floppy, while UniForm-PC accesses only
user 0.


"Everything works if you let it!"
 --- Travis J. Redfish
 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
uucp: austex![e-mail]
 BBS: 512-259-1261 (Znode 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin)

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Date: 21 May 91 18:45:03 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07![e-mail]  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

roadhog@austex (Lindsay Haisley) writes:
>The second option is UniForm -PC from Nicro Solutions - the same folks who
>made the venerable UniForm for CP/M machines throughout the 80's.  Their
>advirtising states that UniForm-PC supports "hundreds of different diskette
>formats", which is probably true.  Micro Solutions is at 132 West Lincoln

That is an accurate statement.  On my machine I can access over 300 formats in
5.25" both 48 & 96 tpi, and 8" sizes.  3" & 3.5" might add a few more.

                                                 - don

Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07![e-mail]
- San Diego Computer Society - | INET: [e-mail]

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Date: 18 May 91 01:31:03 GMT
From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca![e-mail]
Subject: Termcap: Osborne-1
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Someone asked for a termcap entry for Osborne-1. I've lost the name,
but the termcap I sent was a loser.  This one (below) is much better.
It's probably not of wide interest, so I won't go into further details
here.  Email any comments or improvements.
--- cut here ---
# Osborne 1 termcap entry
# Mike Spencer
# [e-mail]
# [e-mail]
# 16 May 1991
#
# O1 is Z80 cpu, CP/M, 24r x 52c real screen but w/ 32r x 128c virtual
# screen. Some machines have an 80col card and suitable
# monitor.  O1 has 10 programmable function keys. OTERM terminal software
# by Michael Rubenstein, (available from FOG, SIMTEL etc) permits use of
# these.
#
# Two-letter id's were chosen arbitrarily to put this in the misc category
# and not duplicate. If you're putting this into the big Berkley db you
# might want grep zo & zq to ensure they don't conflict w/ existing entries.
#
# Note: If using OTERM, the 'line' setting of OTERM must be at least 1 greater
# than co.  Delays appear to be necessary but sombody may be able to tune
# them to better efficiency.
#
zo|osborne152|Osborne-1 52-col running OTERM:\
    :al=15*\EE:bl=^G:bs:bw:ce=15\ET:cl=^Z:\
    :cm=15\E=%+ %+ :co#52:cr=^M:dc=5*\EW:dl=15*\ER:\
    :do=^J:eo:ho=^^:ic=\EQ:kb=^H:kd=^J:kl=^H:\
    :kr=^L:ku=^K:le=^H:li#24:ll=\E=7 :me=\E(:\
    :mh=\E):nd=^L:ns:nw=^M^J:up=^K:ue=\Em:ul:\
    :us=\El:xs:

zq|osborne180|Osborne-1 80-col or 52-col w/ 28 cols off screen:\
    :co#80:tc=osborne152:

# Re co ^^^^^^ see note above!

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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 22 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   94

Today's Topics:
           CP/M disk formats (was Re: CPM to DOS exchanger)
                          Kaypro II'83 help
                      Re: CPM to DOS exchanger.
                   Reply to INFO-CPM Digest V91 #89
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Date: 22 May 91 04:20:49 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bruce!trlluna!titan!pogo![e-mail]  (Andrew Guillaume)
Subject: CP/M disk formats (was Re: CPM to DOS exchanger)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <Pqm821w163w@austex>, roadhog@austex (Lindsay Haisley) writes:
> There are a couple of good programs set for MSDOS machines which allow
> them to read a >wide< variety of CP/M disk formats.  A pretty good
> program is 22DISK from Sydex.
(snip,snip)
>   The registered
> version contains support for over 270 different CP/M formats plus the
> ability to add custom formats if you know the disk setup parameters.
(snip,snip)
> The second option is UniForm -PC from Nicro Solutions - the same folks who
> made the venerable UniForm for CP/M machines throughout the 80's.  Their
> advirtising states that UniForm-PC supports "hundreds of different diskette
> formats", which is probably true.

On a related subject, I thought I might ask a similar question. I have an
Apple //c, with an Applied Engineering card which gives me cp/m capability.
It has a Z80, and the Z80 gets woken up when I boot with a cp/m diskette.
Other members of my family have various other cp/m machines, like a Heathkit
H89, and an Amstrad PCW8512 with a 5.25" disk drive. I've always wanted to be
able to read these other cp/m disk formats (all 5.25" diskettes), but of course
understand that there are problems. Like the H89 disks are hard sectored :-(

Anyway, I was interested in finding out whether there existed a program that
would enable me to read any cp/m disk format from any other machine. Eg, I
would love to be able to read stuff written on a disk formatted on a Kaypro,
or an Osborne, and have the inverse possible, like giving a Kaypro owner one
of my diskettes formatted on the Apple.

I'm not an expert on disk formats, so let me have the full story if this
is/is not possible. And flame me by email if this is the wrong newsgroup
to discuss this topic :-)

> "Everything works if you let it!"

Ooh, I'm only too willing, but it still doesn't :-)

Andrew Guillaume

Internet : [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 22 May 91 18:16:38 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!altair.acs.uci.edu![e-mail]  (Lyle Wiedeman)
Subject: Kaypro II'83 help
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I have a Kaypro II'83 which after 8 years of loyal service, lost
the ability to boot.  (Drive A can't read the boot track of ANY
disk, old, new, or master.)  I tried the drive-head cleaning trick
with no apparent effect.

I thought to myself "Self, twiddle with the innards, and get the
machine to believe drive B is A and vers vicea."  So I opened
up the poor beast, and twiddled: the two drives are on a single
controller cable; it doesn't matter which connector goes on which
drive; there must be a jumper somewhere which tells the drives
(identical in every obvious respect) their identities.

Question 1: I'd figure it out myself, if I had ever managed to
secure a copy of Chilton's Kaypro Handbook.  Anyone know how to
get one?

Question 2: Barring that, does anyone know how the drives are keyed
to their identities?
--
    Lyle Wiedeman                 Distributed Computing Support
    [e-mail]              Office of Academic Computing
    [e-mail]           Univ. Calif. Irvine

------------------------------

Date: 21 May 91 15:25:32 GMT
From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc![e-mail]  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: CPM to DOS exchanger.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

roadhog@austex (Lindsay Haisley) writes:

> [e-mail] (Russell Rezaian) writes:
>
> >
> >     On the MS-DOS end there are also programs to read CP/M diskettes,
> > but I can't think of the name of one, offhand.  Even these programs will
> > only read certian formats though, so without knowing what kind of computer
> > you have I can't be of any futher help.  Good luck!  (You might end up
> > finding it simpler to put a serial port on the MS-DOS computer just for
> > this purpose, it may be cheaper, and simpler in the long run...)
> > --
>
> There are a couple of good programs set for MSDOS machines which allow
> them to read a >wide< variety of CP/M disk formats.  A pretty good
> program is 22DISK from Sydex.  Their address is P.O. Box 5700, Eugene, OR
> 97405.  Their phones are [phone] (voice), [phone] (FAX) and
> [phone] (data).  22DISK consists of a set of programs which are
> analogous to the copy, dir, format, type and erase functions in MSDOS except
> that they see a floppy drive via a selected CP/M format.  The registered
> version contains support for over 270 different CP/M formats plus the
> ability to add custom formats if you know the disk setup parameters.  The
> latter can be determined with another of Sydex's offerings called Anadisk
> which analyzes the disk format on just about any disk except Apple and
> Commodore disks, which do not use FM data encoding.  I use 22DISK and have
> had good results with it.  It comes as shareware (the shareware version
> doesn't support quite so many CP/M formats) and registration is reasonable
> at $25.
>
> The second option is UniForm -PC from Nicro Solutions - the same folks who
> made the venerable UniForm for CP/M machines throughout the 80's.  Their
> advirtising states that UniForm-PC supports "hundreds of different diskette
> formats", which is probably true.  Micro Solutions is at 132 West Lincoln
> Hwy, DeKalb, IL  60115.  Phones are [phone] (voice) and
> [phone] (FAX).  UniForm-PC works essentially the same as the old
> UniForm for CP/M, installing a device driver or TSR so that standard
> DOS functions can be used to work on the target floppy, which is managed
> in a CP/M format.  The price, I think, is somewhere between $60 and $80.
>
> I have had good luck with 22DISK and found the the Sydex people to be
> friendly and helpful.  I do have a friend, though, who distributes CP/M
> disks professionally and, having tried both, prefers UniForm-PC for
> rock solid reliability (the cost of redoing and remailing an overseas
> shipment of disks can exceed the cost of either program!).  22DISK allows
> access to all CP/M user areas on a floppy, while UniForm-PC accesses only
> user 0.
>
>
> "Everything works if you let it!"
>  --- Travis J. Redfish
>  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> uucp: austex![e-mail]
>  BBS: 512-259-1261 (Znode 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin)

Lindsay, you're fogrgetting one thing about 22DISK.  You can
configure it to just about any disk format, which is why Sydex
includes Anadisk.  You also forgot hard-sectored disks as one of
the types of disks that Anadisk doesn't know how to deal with.

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Date: Wed, 22 May 91 16:54:01 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Reply to INFO-CPM Digest V91 #89
Message-ID: <5B0516101F0F0357-SCTNVE*SonicDruid@sctnve>

hi,

   CP/M to DOS exchangers as I have seen in my use of CP/M machines
 are computer dependent, so what's written on one machine will not/may not
 run on another.   I have a TRS-80 4P and am capable of reading the
 formats of almost any CP/M machine due to the software that was written
 for my machine.  Another piece of software was written (also computer
 dependent) which allows me to go back and forth between CP/M - MSDOS
 (several versions) and a TRS-80 operating system in any order.

   Off hand CP/M-86 has a conversion program and that was on a Zenith-100
 computer, but I don't think that was computer dependent.

   There's also one written for the Commodore 128 CP/M which is built into
 the computer's CP/M mode, which only allows you to read other CP/M formats
 only.

   For the generic Commodore there's "Big Blue Reader", which also reads
 MSDOS disks according to what I've heard.

  Under the Osborne FOG library, there's a program called PCPIP and other
 programs which copy between MSDOS and CPM, but I've never really played
 with them due to what I had.

  By the way, what kind of computer do you have, maybe I could help if I
 knew at least that much, or maybe someone else could help, worth a try...

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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 24 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   95

Today's Topics:
                          FREE CP/M ADDENDUM
                         FREE CP/M COMPUTERS
                 INFO-CPM Digest mail address change
                   Kaypro drive ID  was Re: (none)
                    Osborne 1, Questions Answered
                     Re: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #94
                    ten megabyte disk drive wanted
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 22 May 91 15:54:21 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!dsac.dla.mil!dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil!desc.dla.mil!wright!desire.wright.edu![e-mail]  (jay   Jay Osborne)
Subject: FREE CP/M ADDENDUM
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-                       ADDENDUM TO FREE CP/M POST
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have been notified that the free CP/M computers DO NOT carry WSU property
tags.

ALSO

Interested parties will need a letter on OFFICIAL university letterhead
formally requesting the computers.



Any questions can be answered by sending EMAIL to  [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 22 May 91 15:36:39 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!dsac.dla.mil!dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil!desc.dla.mil!wright!desire.wright.edu![e-mail]  (jay   Jay Osborne)
Subject: FREE CP/M COMPUTERS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

*******************************************************************************
*                                                                             *
*  FREE  ---  FREE  ---  FREE  ---  FREE  ---  FREE  ---  FREE  ---  FREE     *
*                                                                             *
*******************************************************************************

Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio has three CP/M computers that are
being disposed.  They are property of the University and carry WSU property
tags.  They may be given ONLY to other universities, preferably to Ohio
institutions.  These machines are large ( ~ 1' X 2' X 2' ) and pretty heavy
(up to 50 lbs.).  All three machines have the following:

              Computime CPU and Floppy controller
              Dual 8" DSDD Floppies  (990kB)
              64K Internal Printer Buffer
              Real time clock, calendar
              Linear Power Supply
              Dual Serial Ports
              Single Parallel Port

In addition, two of the machines have 5.25" floppies.  These machines require
a terminal (not provided) for operation.  In the past, Lear Siegler ADM - type
terminals have been used.  At last count, all three computers were working,
but no guarantees are implied.

Postage MUST be paid by the recipient!!  There are no other charges to receive
these computers.  Save money if you want to drive to Dayton and pick them up.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
--- PLEASE !!!!    ONLY INTERESTED PARTIES NEED REPLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!   -----
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you are interested, send a response to:

            [e-mail]

NOT TO THIS ACCOUNT!!!!!!!!!  Please include a telephone number that you can
be reached at.

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Date: 23 May 91 15:45:10 PDT (Thu)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest mail address change
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Please change my email address from [e-mail]
to [e-mail].

Thank you.

    -Don Kirkpatrick ([e-mail])
        UUCP:    ...!uunet!tektronix!amadeus.wr.tek.com!donk
        ARPA:    <[e-mail]>

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Date: 23 May 91 22:04:23 GMT
From: littlei!intelhf!ptdcell0![e-mail]  (Dean Kling)
Subject: Kaypro drive ID  was Re: (none)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lyle Wiedeman) writes:
>I have a Kaypro II'83 which after 8 years of loyal service, lost
>the ability to boot.  (Drive A can't read the boot track of ANY
>disk, old, new, or master.)  I tried the drive-head cleaning trick
>with no apparent effect.
   [...]
>Question 2: Barring that, does anyone know how the drives are keyed
>to their identities?
>--
>    Lyle Wiedeman                 Distributed Computing Support
>    [e-mail]              Office of Academic Computing
>    [e-mail]           Univ. Calif. Irvine

My old computers are packed away at the moment, but as I reacall there is
a jumper or dip swith block for drive select (usually silkscreened on the
printed circuit as DS0.DS1.DS2.DS3 (or sometimes starting with 1 vice 0).
The other item is terminating resistors, which are usually a DIP or SIP
pack near the drive select jumpers.  The terminating resistors need to be on
the drive at the END of the cable.

This was before IBM created the abomination of inserting a twist in the
drive cable to avoid having to set the jumpers.

Dean

[e-mail]

--
==============================================================================
Dean F. Kling
[e-mail]       [phone]    I don't speak for Intel


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Date: 23 May 91 04:22:56 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix![e-mail]  (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: Osborne 1, Questions Answered
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

A great big thank you to all the people who replied to my request for
help with the Osborne 1 that I have been given.

The verdict is that an IBM drive can be put into the machine, if one
tries hard enough.  One has to handle the power supply connections,
which are a separate connector on the IBM drives, but on the underside
of the Osborne drives.  The IBM drives have an earth on the underside of
the connector.  Do *NOT* try connecting it up just to find out if it
would work.  Something will melt down.

The verdict on the serial port and modem port appear to be that they are
the same control lines inside the machine.  The RS232 port apparently is
only TTL levels, so some line driver/receivr chips would be needed.
Speed choices are 300 and 1200, although there is apparently a link
inside which can make this 600 or 2400 (from IMP overlay).

The good news about my Osborne is that the B drive appears to be sort of
working.  It works once I have formatted a disk in it.  I think the main
reason that this works is that it causes the drive to step, and thus
realign onto the disk.  The BIOS in my Amstrad does this automatically
when it has problems (steps out a track, and back, and also seeks to
first/last track and back -- solves some problems).

This semi-strongly suggests an alignment problem to me, so I might have
a look around and see what I can fiddle with... :-)

Anyway, thank you very much to everyone who offered help.

--
Ewen McNeill, [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 May 91 09:59:18 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #94

Re. Kaypro II can't boot from disk A.

Very simple.
As always, there is IBM (which ignores the rest of the world) and the rest
of the world.
Since KAYPRO belongs to the rest of the world, I assume that the common 34 wire
flat cable was left intact with all wires parallel. On each of your
drives there is a set of jumpers where you almost certainly will recognize
that ONE of DS0 DS1 DS2 DS3 is jumpered; DS0 on your present A, DS1 on your
present B is ALMOST certain. Just exchange the position of these jumpers.
You will also notice that on ONE drive board there is a vacant socket compared
to the other. The vacant socket MUST be on the drive which is NOT at the end
of the cable, the thing in the socket which looks like a chip is a set of
resistors terminating the flat cable for correct impedance. Be EXCEEDINGLY
careful not to break its legs if you try to relocate that pseudo-chip on an
other drive, when you remove it.

The caveat about IBM is that for reasons which my limited brain was unable to
understand, BIG BLUE of course can't use the DSn jumpers for what there were
designed for, and obtains the same result by crossing a few wires in the cable,
which then ceases to be flat between the first and the second drive. In this
arrangement, both drives have the jumper selection in the same position.

Finally, some old (or is it recent) drives have the jumpers labelles DS1 to
DS 4, not DS0 to DS 1. Just in case some reader might need such clarification.
Also, it is NOT a Law of Nature that the lowest drive is A etc... The system
generation software with my LOBO MAX-80 allows to change these assignments.
Even if the KAYPRO has the same capability, it won't help, since you can't
boot your machine, **BUT**, if the Kaypro HAS this software, and you can run
it to write a new boot disk on an OTHER machine, then you could get a boot
from drive B without opening your machine.

                                         Jacques J. Goldberg
                                         "Prof. of Physics"

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Date: 22 May 91 21:21:23 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!central!digi![e-mail]  (Mitch Mitchell)
Subject: ten megabyte disk drive wanted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I am in the middle of rejuvenating two Altos 5-5
systems.  I need a source for 10meg ST-506 compatable
hard disks.

I'd really appreciate any pointers to sources, especially
if they are local to the Dallas/Ft.Worth area.

                              Thanks,

                             Mitch Mitchell


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Date: Mon, 27 May 91 21:29:37 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #96
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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 27 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   96

Today's Topics:
                        5.25" on 8" controller
          CRR0110.ZIP - Offline message reader for XRS_Door
                              Osborne 1
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 25 May 91 06:46:20 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!helios!tamuts![e-mail]  (John Donald Baker)
Subject: 5.25" on 8" controller
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I have recently begun the process of putting 5.25 80-track (high-density) disk
drives on by 8" disk controller.  Although I have had some initial success,
I have hit a few snags that some people on this newsgroup may be able to help
me solve.

For the record, the significant parts of my system are:
     Extended-keyboard Apple //e (PCPI Applicard for CP/M)
        SVA ZVX4 Dual-Density 8" disk controller (in Slot 7)
           2 Shugart SA801 Single-Sided Disk drives (SA800 mode, Soft sector)

The 5.25"drives I'm adding are TEAC FD55GFR's (2).  The drives have been
jumpered for their appropriate addresses (DS2, DS3) and position 34 on the
card edge supplies a READY signal.  All corresponding interface signals have
been mapped from the 8" controller 50-pin connector to the 5.25" drives'
34-pin connector with the exception that HEADLOAD is applied to the IN-USE
position and IN-USE is applied to MOTOR-ON.

At this time, the drived are strapped to turn the motor on when the front
bezel light is lit.  This causes the drives to begin running when they are
selected, but since the controller does not de-select a drive after initial
access, they continue to run until another drive is selected.
Currently, this works to advantage because a second access is necessary to
permit a disk operation to succeed. This is most likely because either the
5.25" drive does not come READY fast enough for the controller to acknow-
ledge or the controller expects the drive to be ready before issuing
HEADLOAD or IN-USE signals.

Question 1:  How may I get the disk drives to start up only when actually
         accessed (not just selected) and stop when done.
Question 2:  What solution(s) are there to the apparent time-out on the
         drive (not ready in time)?  The soolution to this may also
         provide a solution for Ques. 1.

Qestion 3:  What are symptoms of a drive system with too many terminators
        installed?  Can this condition manifest itself in the form of
        errors while formatting disks?  (The 5.25" drives' terminating
        resistiors are soldered in and the drives are in parallel with
        the 8" drives [rather than chained after them] which also have
        otherwise proper termination [drives DS0, DS1 with terminators
        on DS1] for only two drives.  I have been able to format disks
        with the 5.25" drives, but there are considerable errors in the
        process with the drive designated DS2 at the end of the 5.25"
        chain [tee].

Pleas note that any and all solutions must be compatible with 8" drives
remaining in the system.

I remember seeing a description of a small circuit which solved the problem
of DRIVE READY timeouts, perhaps the person who wrote that message could
email it to me as per my .sig.

Thanks for the help.

John D. Baker  ->An Apple 3.5", 5.25", 8" PCPI Applicard ZCPR3 nut//
Internet:  JDB8042@{tamuts|rigel|sigma|summa|zeus|venus|ceres}.tamu.edu
BBSs:  JOHN BAKER on Z-Node #45 [[phone]], The Vector Board
[[phone]], The Phoenix: [[phone]], The Black Box (FIDO
1:106/601) [[phone]], O.U.C.H. FOG-20 [[phone]]
Karnache: "Fire at will!"
Wil (desperately dodging a hail of automatic weapons fire): "AAAAIYEEEE!!"
Karnache: "No, no.  Do not fire at Wil, he is my Second Mate.
           FIRE AT THE SEA-DUCK!!"

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Date: Thu, 16 May 91 23:54:53 BST
From: Paul Martin <tharr![e-mail]>
Subject: CRR0110.ZIP - Offline message reader for XRS_Door
Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I have uploaded to SIMTEL20:

pd2:<cpm.bbs>
CRR0110.ZIP     Offline message reader for XRS_Door

CRR is the CP/M offline reader for use anywhere XRS might be used on
an MSDOS machine. It allows you to read and reply to downloaded
messages from a conforming QBBS, RemoteAccess or SuperBBS Fidonet
bulletin board. In order to use this software you will need an
archiving program (eg. ARK or ARC), an archive extractor (UNZIP
included), and a text editor (eg. VDE or ZDE).

--
Paul Martin
[e-mail]
tharr![e-mail]

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Date: 23 May 91 16:53:52 GMT
From: nuchat!farwest![e-mail]  (Charles Cotham)
Subject: Osborne 1
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Ewen,

   I am talking off the top of my head right now, my tech manual are at
the house, but I believe that the Osb-1 serial port has normal RS-232
levels. The modem port is the port with the TTL levels, I have a
schematic at the house to build an adapter to change the modem port to
regular 232 levels using , 1488 and 1489 driver chips as I remember. It
also has the resistances to insert in the other lines on the Modem Port.
To use the Serial port with a Hayes type modem you have to use pins 2 &
3 reversed to the modem and pin 7 to pin 7 on the modem. Imp 244 works
real well on mine and ZMP 15 with zmodem protocal is also nice. I have a
couple of articles on drive alignment and a mod to increase the
readability of Osborne drive span with a capacitor change. Leave me a
note or my address is below if you would like some of the info I have. I
would be glad to send it to you. See you later. Love my OZZIE.

                         Charles Cotham
                         2205 Lilac Street
                         Nederland, Tx 77627
PS: Heck I love all 8 of my Ozzies

 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88)

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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 29 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   97

Today's Topics:
                    Conversion from CP/M-86 to DOS
                              Re: (none)
                            Re: Osborne 1
                  Re: Osborne 1, Questions Answered
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Date: 28 May 91 05:11:13 GMT
From: ogicse!plains![e-mail]  (Terry Erickson)
Subject: Conversion from CP/M-86 to DOS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Greetings,

     I have a question about a NEC APC, running CP/M-86, with two 8"
drives.

     I was wondering if it was at all possible to completely change
over from CP/M to DOS.  If not, are file conversions possible between
the two, like converting an executable to run on the CP/M machine from
a DOS exec, if so how would I go about doing it and where would I find
the software to do it.

     Thanks in advance for any help on these questions.

                   Terry Erickson

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Date: 27 May 91 06:19:13 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com![e-mail]
Subject: Re: (none)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

You will find 'berg' jumpers on the floppy disk pc boards very near the
signal connector.  The jumper positions will be labeled ds0..3 or ds1..4
or something.  Drive A will be jumpered one way and drive B another.
Simply move the jumpers to 'swap' the drives.

Hope this helps.

Joe Wright

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Date: Tue, 28 May 91 09:55:16 EST
From: Kevin J. Cummings <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Osborne 1

I tried conmecting an Osborne 1 to my S100 machine via its SSM IO/4
card.  The SSM card would drive RS-232 via a 1488 chip @ +/- 12V, but
would receive RS-232 via a couple of transistors (had to do with the
board's capability of running current loops instead of EIA, if you
strapped it right).  The transistor bridge was little more than a
voltage divider (it divided the incoming voltage by 3 if I remember
right).  RS-232 signals which were driven at +/- 12V would be converted
to +/-4 Volts, which seems to work OK with the on board TTL circuts.
HOWEVER, when I connected this to the Osborne-1 serial port, I was only
getting 1-way communication.  From the SSM to the osborne worked OK.
It was the Osborne to SSM line which didn't work (at all).  This turned
out to be that the Osborne used a -9V (which while being within the EIA
specifications for RS-232C voltages) which is not common.  It did however
use +12V for the other voltage level.  The result was that the SSM receiver
would divide the -9 down to -3V which is never-never land for TTL levels,
and the SSM board woould fail.  (Now before I get flamed, I know that TTL
uses 0V (gnd) for 0, and 3.5V or so to about 9V for 1, so I must not be
remembering the entire receive circut on the SSM board from memory, and
my schematic for it is at home right now.  Somewhere the circut converted
the +/- signals into +/0V.)

While +12/-9 is within the EIA spec, the Osborne is the ONLY peice of RS-232
compliant equipment I have used with my SSM that didn't work (without a -12V
pull down being added to the input circut).  I therefore have trouble
believing that the Osborne uses "normal RS-232 levels".  I do however believe
that if the SSM board had used a 1489 for its receiver, that it would have
"done the right thing" with the signals received from the Osborne.
Caveat Empteur.



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Date: 28 May 91 14:59:42 GMT
From: tdatirv![e-mail]  (Pat Alvarado)
Subject: Re: Osborne 1, Questions Answered
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ewen McNeill) writes:
>The verdict on the serial port and modem port appear to be that they are
>the same control lines inside the machine.  The RS232 port apparently is
>only TTL levels, so some line driver/receivr chips would be needed.
>Speed choices are 300 and 1200, although there is apparently a link
>inside which can make this 600 or 2400 (from IMP overlay).
>

The Osborne 1 uses the standard 1488 and 1489 chips to the external port
of the RS232 interface, and uses +/- 12VDC to drive the signals. The speed
of the RS232 port can be software selectable between two speeds. There is
a way to strap the clock chip to allow up to 4800/9600 bps operation.
This information is from my Osborne 1 Technical Reference Manual,
which indicates on the schematic how to strap the clock chip.
--
  |||   Pat Alvarado                |
   v    Teradata Corporation        | tdat![e-mail]
 /\ /\  100 N. Sepulveda Blvd.      | uunet!edsews!hacgate!tdat!pa1
/// \\\ El Segundo, Calif. 90245    | [e-mail]

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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 31 May 91       Volume 91 : Issue   98

Today's Topics:
                         Exxon/Zilog Computer
                   Kaypro drive ID  was Re: (none)
                 Need help reading H-89 floppy disks
             Onyx terminal (OT-80) manual and TCAP wanted
               QTERM-related files uploaded to SIMTEL20
                  Re: Osborne 1, Questions Answered
                    Scott Adams adventures wanted
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 30 May 91 11:17:37 -0400
From: Jay Sage <[e-mail]>
Subject: Exxon/Zilog Computer
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

   Someone contacted me recently who has a pair of Exxon/Zilog computers that
use Z80s and connect via some kind of network.  He cannot get the machines to
boot.  Is anyone out there familiar with this machine?  Can you help with any
information about the machine?

-- Jay Sage


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Date: 29 May 91 02:44:49 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!nuchat!farwest![e-mail]  (JOHN ANDEERSON)
Subject: Kaypro drive ID  was Re: (none)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Dean, As previously mentioned the DS jumpers are the key.  I would
recommend rotating the drives, A to B B to A.  REmove the terminating
resistor form drive B, the last drive in the chain.  place the
Terminating resistor in Drive A.  THe T-RES will look like an intgrated
circuite but will have a 10 ohm symbol on it.  Set drive A for DS0 on the
jumpers, set drive B to DS1 on the jumpers.  If you jumpers begin at 1 -
4 instead of 0 - 3, use 1 and 2 respectively.  If you have any questins
please feel feel free to call MIDECON ZNODDE #16 [phone] STARLINK
9192.  GOOD LUCK,  John-A ZNode #16
 * Origin: The Black Box RCP/M MSBBS, 713-480-2686 HST/V32/V42bis (106/601)

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Date: 31 May 91 02:51:06 GMT
From: weyrich![e-mail]  (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Need help reading H-89 floppy disks
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Help! I have 5 Single Sided Single Density Hard Sector 40 track 5 1/4"
floppy disks that work with a Heathkit/Zenith H-89/Z-89 computer.

I need to transfer the contents of these disks to either Morrow MD-11
readable 5 1/4" disks (ideally DS/DD 360K), IBM-PC format (360K or 1.2M), or
any CP/M format that is readable by Media-Master (i.e., just about any
soft-sector format).

Is  there someone out in net-land that has the equipment to do this for me
(for suitable compensation)?

Alternatively, does someone have a copy of the Microsoft COBOL-80 CP/M
compiler that they could give me a copy of on some soft-sector 5 1/4"
media? [There should be no licensing problem, since I have the distribution
disks in hard-sector format; I just can't read them].

Please respond via e-mail, as comp.os.cpm is not in my news feed.

Thanks,

    uunet!weyrich!orville

    [e-mail]



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Internet: [e-mail]             Weyrich Computer Consulting
Voice:    [phone]                         POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
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Date: 30 May 91 02:13:26 GMT
From: fernwood!cronos!mnementh![e-mail]  (Ed Rush)
Subject: Onyx terminal (OT-80) manual and TCAP wanted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

A non-Usenet friend of mine has asked me to post the
following message.  Please reply to him directly at
[e-mail].

Hi, gang.  I've just picked up a late-model Onyx terminal,
an OT-80.  This is the model with a separate keyboard
featuring 16 function keys, a full cursor pad with the
arrow keys arranged in a cross, and a full number pad.
I want to replace the Televideo 950 I'm using now, but
first I need (a) a manual for the Onyx, including how to
program the function keys and the screen, and (b) a TCAP.
Please reply to [e-mail] if you are
willing to sell or give me a manual or a copy of a manual
for this terminal.  I will be awaiting your replies eagerly!

--
  -----------------------------------------
  Ed Rush, employed by but not speaking for
  Metaphor Computers, Mtn. View, CA
     UUCP: [...!{apple|decwrl}!]metaphor!mnementh!rush
     Internet: [e-mail]
  -----------------------------------------
Calm down, everyone, it's only ones and zeroes.

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Date: Wed, 29 May 91 18:18:12 EDT
From: Mike Freeman <[e-mail]>
Subject: QTERM-related files uploaded to SIMTEL20
Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I have uploaded to SIMTEL20:

pd2:<cpm.qterm>
QTERM43E.LBR    Terminal prog. X/Ymodem, Kermit & VT100 emul.
QT43SRC.LBR    Source for QTERM43E.LBR (compiles with ZSM)
QT43EFX2.ARK    Fix for a Ymodem send bug in QTERM v43E
QTPAT42.LBR    Machine-specific QTERM overlays (v42 & later)
QT-ZBA.ZY    QTERM Overlay for the Telcon Zorba

Extract the file QTERM.FOR from QTERM43E.LBR to get a synopsis of
QTERM's capabilities. New in this version is support of extended-length
packets in Kermit protocol transfers and some Kermit Server functions.

-- Mike Freeman K7UIJ --

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Date: 30 May 91 01:43:25 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix![e-mail]  (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: Re: Osborne 1, Questions Answered
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pat Alvarado) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ewen McNeill) writes:
> >The RS232 port apparently is
> >only TTL levels, so some line driver/receivr chips would be needed.
>
> The Osborne 1 uses the standard 1488 and 1489 chips to the external port
> of the RS232 interface, and uses +/- 12VDC to drive the signals.
>
Sorry, folks.  I mis-read the data I was sent.  TX, and RX are held at
normal levels.  Some of the information I was sent, however, noted that
some control lines were held at +5V.  This confused me, when I quickly put
together a summary.

>   |||   Pat Alvarado                |
>    v    Teradata Corporation        | tdat![e-mail]
>  /\ /\  100 N. Sepulveda Blvd.      | uunet!edsews!hacgate!tdat!pa1
> /// \\\ El Segundo, Calif. 90245    | [e-mail]

--
Ewen McNeill, [e-mail]

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Date: 30 May 91 00:24:36 GMT
From: [e-mail]  (Ethan R Dicks)
Subject: Scott Adams adventures wanted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I am trying to locate a copy of the *old* Scott Adams adventure games.  I
know that a disk with 11 games was sold about 6 or 7 years ago for MS-DOS
and CP/M.  Since I have the ability to run all sorts of software, either
will work.  Does anyone out in net.land have an old copy they would be willing
to part with?

Thanks,
-ethan


--
Ethan R. Dicks       | ######  This signifies that the poster is a member in
Software Results Corp|   ##    good sitting of Inertia House: Bodies at rest.
940 Freeway Drive N. |   ##
Columbus OH    43229 | ######  "You get it, you're closer."

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