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2-Jul-91 20:24:30-MDT,9991;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 91 20:15:38 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #120 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910702201539.V91N120@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 2 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 120 Today's Topics: cp/m screenplay formatter Odd machine Patch for cp/am?? Patching Mix C compiler Re: HELP!! -Annoying Problem with Televideo 803H w/o Hard Drive- Re: Patch for cp/am?? Source for .?Y? Xerox 820-II 5.25 conversion needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Jun 91 18:55:14 GMT From: uupsi!dorsaidm!sirknigh@nyu.edu (gawain) Subject: cp/m screenplay formatter Message-ID: <R3gB51w163w@dorsai.com> I use a kaypro 1, double-sided, double-density disk drives with the wordstar 4.0 version. A friend showed me a program for screen- writing for DOS that did everything, including repagination if you change the merest paragraph. These tasks take me a full work day at least. Not having the spare cash for even a cheap DOS machine, I thought to ask here. Dos anyone know of a screenplay formatter, specifically one that repaginate, for cp/m? I would also like to know if there is an off-line reader for cp/m. I'm new-ish to these PCboard and Unix BBSs. Do you really need a separate off-line reader for every BBS program? Thanks to one and all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1991 17:18 CDT From: CHWEST@UALR.EDU Subject: Odd machine Date sent: 2-JUL-1991 17:14:31 A friend requested i look for an operating disk foor a machine I had not heard of, I hope someone can help. Semi-Tec Microelectronics Model ppc 001 sn 100883468 Pied Piper ??? machine He said the Commadore connector to the video port worked which he found very odd... We are in need of a system disk and any information on the ports. Thanks Charles West __________ | /_ CHWEST@UALR.BITNET | | | * | |_ | |_____| Little Rock, Arkansas ..._ ..._ The opinions expressed by the HUSBAND of this HOUSEHOLD do not necessarily agree with those of the MANAGEMENT. THE MANAGEMENT ..._ ..._ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 01:06:56 GMT From: ogicse!plains!skar%plains.NoDak.edu@uunet.uu.net (Keith Skar aka Roddy) Subject: Patch for cp/am?? Message-ID: <11022@plains.NoDak.edu> I am using an Apple IIe with Applied Engineering version of cpm CP/AM 5.1.1. I am wondering if there is a Qterm type patch that is compatable with it. I downloaded qterm.patches a long time ago and I cant remember if it was the 4.2 patches or the previous version of patches. Can anybody help.... thanks -- Keith M. Skar aka Roddy skar@plains.nodak.edu Internet | All I ask is for a chance skar@plains Bitnet | to prove that money ...!uunet!plains!skar UUCP | can't make me happy!! ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 04:23:42 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!rcocl@uunet.uu.net (Chong Lee) Subject: Patching Mix C compiler Message-ID: <1991Jul2.042342.23927@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> Has anyone patch Mix C (CP/M) to look for the overlay file (CC.OVY or C.OVY) on a drive other than drive A:?. There are instructions in the read.me file to patch CC.OVY itself to look for libraries and other stuff, but not CC.COM to pick up the overlay file. PS. I have version 2.1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Chong L. Lee rcocl@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au ..!uunet!munnari.oz.au!rcocl@minyos.xx.rmit.oz Communications and Electrical Dept. Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Melbourne, Victoria 3000, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jun 91 07:55:45 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: HELP!! -Annoying Problem with Televideo 803H w/o Hard Drive- Message-ID: <1991Jun28.075545.18001@cs.rug.nl> In article <15736@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> baumgard@handel.cs.colostate.edu (jan feli baumgardner) writes: >HELP! > >I have a Televideo TS-803H CP/M machine, running CP/M 2.2. > >I have a hardware problem. The machine originally came with a hard drive >and a single floppy drive. > >The hard disk was cannabalized (I.E. MISSING) when I got the machine, >and although It runs fine off of the floppy drive, Whenever I turn >the machine on, I recieve a "HARDWARE ERROR: CONTACT DISTRIBUTOR" >or a "Booting from hard disk" message. > >Once I turn the machine on and off and on a few times, it has no trouble >booting from the floppy drive. I was wondering what it takes to make >the computer realize that the hard disk is missing. > >If anyone knows the answer to this question, >PLEASE, PLEASE (grovel grovel beg) PLEASE let me know. It would be >most gratifying to clean up this annoying, if not life-threatening problem. I had a 806 up and running for a while (until the HD gave up of old age). The idea is that the machine boots either from floppy or from harddisk. Of course the 806 (a server for up to 6 diskless z80 systems) was supposed to boot from harddisk all the time. The trick was to simply press the re-boot button immediately, and then it would try the other device. I suppose it stored an indication of what was tried last time somewhere in memory. So, if you have a reset button on it, try using that. The 80x series are sufficiently prehistoric _not_ to know something as auto-configuration. You could try to find the boot ROM's, disassemble them, find the right spot for correcting the boot device, and make new EPROM's. ;-) Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 08:14:26 GMT From: csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@decwrl.dec.com (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Patch for cp/am?? Message-ID: <Re8F51w164w@ijpc.UUCP> skar@plains.NoDak.edu (Keith Skar aka Roddy) writes: > I am using an Apple IIe with Applied Engineering version of cpm > CP/AM 5.1.1. I am wondering if there is a Qterm type patch that > is compatable with it. I downloaded qterm.patches a long time > ago and I cant remember if it was the 4.2 patches or the previous > version of patches. Can anybody help.... I certainly can. I -WROTE- one! See, the Applied Engineering Z80 Plus card for the II Plus, //e, IIGS and compatibles are completely compatible with Microsoft's board. One board will run the other's CP/M (CP/AM). In fact, I have a Microsoft SoftCard (as in the original, not the SoftCard //e) and I tested the patch under Applied Engineering's CP/AM 5.1 and it works well. But you MUST be using a Super Serial card or something like it, i.e. one that runs a 6551 at memory locations 0E0x8 through 0E0xB where x=8H + slot. ___________________________________________________________________________ |Ian Justman |The Rimmer Directive: | |6612 Whitsett Drive (USPSnet) |"Never tangle with anything that's got | |North Highlands, CA 95660-3830 |more teeth than the entire Osmond Family."| |(916) 344-5360 (AT&Tnet) |__________________________________________| |UUCP: ...!{ames | apple | sun }!pacbell_ | |UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac_________|-- !sactoh0!ijpc!ianj | |___________________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 91 22:14:22 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: Source for .?Y? Message-ID: <NaqB51w164w@gnat.rent.com> ankh@diku..dk (Klaus Ambrass) answered a request for the source code for a program to generate ?Y? (LZH) compressed files was in C. Roger Warren in San Diego coded CRLZH12.LBR in assembler, which will both compress and extract LZH to/from ?Y? files. He did not include the source code as he did not feel he was done with his work (or so he stated to me). I believe Roger is soon to release an update, possibly by the end of the summer. Am hopeful he will release the source code at that time. Meanwhile, since it is not in a high level language, you could disassemble. On the other hand, I would suspect not many would understand what is going on in there! :-) Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1991 12:32 CDT From: Arun Baheti <SABAHE@MACALSTR.EDU> Subject: Xerox 820-II 5.25 conversion needed A friend is looking for a cheap way to set up a 5.25" drive on his 8" 820-II. If you have the latest version of who is doing this sort of work, please forward it (along with rough prices if you have them) and I will pass it on. Thanks for your help. Arun Baheti sabahe@mac.cc.macalstr.edu arun_baheti.elsegundo@xerox.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #120 ************************************* 7-Jul-91 17:04:46-MDT,6717;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 7-Jul-91 16:49:48 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 91 16:49:48 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #121 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910707164948.V91N121@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 7 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 121 Today's Topics: BASPLOT.LBR and ASMLIB.LBR uploaded to SIMTEL20 H89 & Magnolia controller & soft sector??? MIX C patching Re: Help needed: Compupro 8/16 running concurrent cp/m Un-archiver utility for UNIX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 09:44:11 EST From: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (Dr Henry Brancik) Subject: BASPLOT.LBR and ASMLIB.LBR uploaded to SIMTEL20 Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Message-ID: <2147.w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2:<cpm.graphics> BASPLOT.LBR Regression and Spline functions plot in BASIC Given a set of experimental points the program will plot the points on either graphics screen or graphics plotter or will write all command lines into a data file. If required, the program will calculate regression coefficients (8 models) or spline functions coefficients (their first and second derivati- ves) and will plot these functions. Source code files (Microsoft BASCOM Com- piler v.5.3) can be easily modified to suit. Literature references are given where appropriate. pd2:<cpm.asmutl> ASMLIB.LBR Library of .ASM routines and utilities This is a collection of .asm routines which are compatible with Digital Research macro assembler, linker and librarian (RMAC, LINK, and LIB). The routines include miscelaneous functions (read and write clock, RAM tests, monitor, read analogue to digital channel, etc.), screen functions, character string functions, conversions, simple maths and numeric printing. Utilities for manipulation of binary files, reading and writing EPROMs (27.. series), and terminal setup utility. Henry Brancik, E-mail: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (UNIX system) S-nail: Univ. NSW, Sch. Fiber Sci. Technl., Kensington, NSW 2033, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 01:05:42 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!loop!dont@uunet.uu.net (Don Taylor;253-6853;;;loop) Subject: H89 & Magnolia controller & soft sector??? Message-ID: <1991Jul3.010542.17492@loop.uucp> Have a person with an H89 and a Magnolia disc controller. As far as he knows he has only used hard sectored disks. No manuals to be found, etc, etc, etc. It seems like I remember, back in the days when I had my 89 running, that the Magnolia would support soft sectored disks. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to pull a jumper or flip a dip switch and get the Magnolia to use soft sectored disks? It would be nice to see the old toad run a little while longer. Please reply by email if possible Thanks Don Taylor 503-235-6853 loop!dont@tessi.UUCP dont@loop.UUCP tessi!loop!dont@nosun.west.sun.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 91 19:36:53 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: MIX C patching Message-ID: <9107042336.AA29283@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> Quoting Chong Lee............. >Has anyone patch Mix C (CP/M) to look for the overlay file (CC.OVY or C.OVY) >on a drive other than drive A:?. There are instructions in the read.me file >to patch CC.OVY itself to look for libraries and other stuff, but not CC.COM >to pick up the overlay file. > >PS. I have version 2.1.0 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Chong L. Lee rcocl@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au > ..!uunet!munnari.oz.au!rcocl@minyos.xx.rmit.oz >Communications and Electrical Dept. >Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology >Melbourne, Victoria 3000, Australia. End quote................ ******************************* Chong, I will forward your message to MIX Software and see if I can get an answer to your question. Since I have a working relationship with them I *may* (no guarantees) be able to find something out, even though they no longer actively support (or advertise) this product. Take care. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 11:46:10 GMT From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!vieta!tmg@uunet.uu.net (Tilman Mueller-Gerbes) Subject: Re: Help needed: Compupro 8/16 running concurrent cp/m Message-ID: <tmg.678627970@vieta.math.uni-sb.de> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: >If you have any more questions, gimme a call at (916) 344-5360 >and I'll try to help ya. So, we got some problems... :-) and i cannot call you cause my phone bill is already too high...(i am from germany, you guess?). We have an old 8086 computer here running CCPM/86 release 3.3 It was (probably manufactured :^) by a danish company (which i guess from the manual, which was not completely translated). Now to the questions: Does anybody know where one can get software/documentation for CCPM/86 I am especially interested in development tools (Assembler/C/what you like) Thnak in avdance Tilman P.S.: this beast got a 10MB hard drive, so it should be possible to do fancy things with it (maybe some kind of modem server or ... =:-) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 07:51:38 GMT From: mips!ptimtc!rdmei!icspub!astemgw!wnoc-tyo-news!kogwy!new1!roger@apple.com (Roger Meunier) Subject: Un-archiver utility for UNIX Message-ID: <ROGER.91Jul3165058@rd1s.zuken.co.jp> The subject line says it all. I downloaded SIMCPM.ARK to my UNIX system to see what's available from SIMTEL20, but now I can't un-archive it! Does anyone know where I can get an un-archive utility which I could run in a UNIX environment (C-code, etc.)? Or does someone know the archive format (which I could use to write my own utility)? Any help will be appreciated. -- Roger Meunier @ Zuken, Inc. Yokohama, Japan (roger@zuken.co.jp) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #121 ************************************* 8-Jul-91 22:23:52-MDT,17857;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 91 22:15:25 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #122 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910708221526.V91N122@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 8 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 122 Today's Topics: FOR SALE: Actrix DSDD CP/M SYSTEM Re: small c, assemblers, linkers (2 msgs) Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jul 91 13:27:38 GMT From: att!cbnewse!cwpjr@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (clyde.w.jr.phillips) Subject: FOR SALE: Actrix DSDD CP/M SYSTEM Message-ID: <1991Jul8.132738.17155@cbnewse.cb.att.com> $500 obo. Located in Oak Park, Il Next to Chicago. E-Mail me at clyde@ihlpl.att.com Or Call (708) 713-5365w or (708) 386-3147h Both Lines have answering machines. Xerox is "open wood frame" 8" drives and composite Video out. $200 obo. Thanks, Clyde -- #-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#--#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-# #-The worlds institutions lack mothers and are acting disgraceful-Carol Pearson# #-Clyde W. Phillips Jr. FORTH plan Amiga Man Dead Fan Chicago Born GO BULLS!!!-# #-HILY RECOMMENDED CAROL LYNN PEARSON'S ONE WOMAN PLAY-MOTHER WOVE THE MORNING-# ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 07:31:29 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: small c, assemblers, linkers Message-ID: <1991Jul8.073129.22908@cs.rug.nl> In article <72293@yarra.pyramid.com.au> cm@yarra.pyramid.com.au (Charles Meo) writes: >I have obtained the small-c compiler from the simtel archive, but have >run into difficulties with documentation and related programs. For some >reason, the LBRs containing the small-c release do not contain any >documentation regarding the following: > >1. Handbook for the compiler I have something you might call a manual, but it was for the TRS-80/TRS-DOS version of small-c (waaaay back). There's not much manual you need I think. Small-c is just a stripped down C; no floats/doubles, strict old style K&R. Sorry, but I haven't got more recent info. >2. Where to get L80 and M80 This is the famous & fabulous Macro-80 Macro Assembler Last time I tried to get info about it (few years back) the importer for Microsoft in the Netherlands didn't now what it was. I'ld allmost publicly advise you to get a copy, but who knows how Microsoft would react... ;-) >3. How to use small-c with LASM and MLOAD instead (or any other combination >of assembler and loader). The only important thing is compatibility. Small-c produces M80 assembly. The library (did you get it in source?) is probably an L80 ".REL" file. >4. Whether any other CPM utilities are required, and where they are. Just an editor. >My objective is to port UZI (version 7) onto an Archives Model 3 just for the >hell of it. I would also like to investigate ZCPR3, but again it is hard to see >in the mass of stuff available a document describing exactly what is required >and what software/hardware prerequisites there are. UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). Greetings, Bert >Software Engineering: the pursuit of the infeasible by the unemployable. Gee, you mean I'm in the wrong business? :-) :-) :-) -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 03:18:15 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!yarra!cm@uunet.uu.net (Charles Meo) Subject: Re: small c, assemblers, linkers Message-ID: <72319@yarra.pyramid.com.au> In article <1991Jul8.073129.22908@cs.rug.nl> laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) writes: >>1. Handbook for the compiler >I have something you might call a manual, but it was for the TRS-80/TRS-DOS >version of small-c (waaaay back). There's not much manual you need I think. This is not so much of a problem. What is a problem (and see the next article in this group) is hardware/software prerequisites, what cpm support is needed, how to install it, what constitutes, in short, a fully-configured environment in which the thing has to run. For example, while smc211 outputs l80/m80 code, an earlier version (203) makes LASM/MLOAD code. However, it writes the assembler output on stdout and as far as I can tell there is no I/O redirection in CPM. And no way to specify an output file name for the compiler! This sort of hijinks by software makes life very difficult... >>2. Where to get L80 and M80 >This is the famous & fabulous Macro-80 Macro Assembler Last time I tried to >get info about it (few years back) the importer for Microsoft in the Netherlands >didn't now what it was. I'ld allmost publicly advise you to get a copy, but >who knows how Microsoft would react... ;-) Hello Bill? Any comments? Lets follow this up by mail 'with an expectation of privacy' :-) >>3. How to use small-c with LASM and MLOAD instead (or any other combination >>of assembler and loader). >The only important thing is compatibility. Small-c produces M80 assembly. >The library (did you get it in source?) is probably an L80 ".REL" file. The library source is there, but given the difficulties mentioned above I can't quite see what to do with it yet. Also, one would presumably need a library manager along the lines of Borland TLIB to make alternate libraries. >>4. Whether any other CPM utilities are required, and where they are. >Just an editor. See last point. How are relocateable libraries made under CPM? For different assembler/linker combinations? >UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe >somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). OK, so if anyone knows a better way to go, speak up! I am trying to do this with all PD/shareware software since one _cannot_ buy cpm software in this country any more (as far as I know), and in any case, it seems silly to actually spend _real money_ on this stuff! I've had a look at the ASMUTL stuff at wuarchive, does anyone know if any of these assembler/linker packages will replace L80/M80? And so on...I must be mad! Chuck ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 02:22:07 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!ichips!inews!cad412!dbraun@uunet.uu.net (Doug Braun ~) Subject: Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) Message-ID: <5048@inews.intel.com> In article <921@spam.ua.oz> dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au writes: >> >>>My objective is to port UZI (version 7) onto an Archives Model 3 just for the >>>hell of it. I would also like to investigate ZCPR3, but again it is hard to see >>>in the mass of stuff available a document describing exactly what is required >>>and what software/hardware prerequisites there are. >>UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe >>somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). >> > >I've seen UZI mentioned a lot in this group, but I've never >seen anything that really indicates what it is. >So, what is it ? >What sort of CP/M machine does it require ? Hard disk, 1 or 2 floppies ? >56/128 k RAM ? > Well, here is my standard UZI plug, from about a year ago. It mentions the compiler I used. Note that I am very close to releasing UZI-280, which is ten times cooler than UZI, assuming you have a Z280 computer. UZI is presumably still on SIMTEL20, and probably other places as well. UZI: UNIX Z-80 IMPLEMENTATION Written by Douglas Braun Introduction: UZI is an implementation of the Unix kernel written for a Z-80 based computer. It implementts almost all of the functionality of the 7th Edition Unix kernel. UZI was written to run on one specific collection of custom-built hardware, but since it can easily have device drivers added to it, and it does not use any memory management hardware, it should be possible to port it to numerous computers that current use the CP/M operating system. The source code is written mostly in C, and was compiled with The Code Works' Q/C compiler. UZI's code was written from scratch, and contains no AT&T code, so it is not subject to any of AT&T's copyright or licensing restrictions. Numerous 7th Edition programs have been ported to UZI with little or no difficulty, including the complete Bourne shell, ed, sed, dc, cpp, etc. How it works: Since there is no standard memory management hardware on 8080-family computers, UZI uses "total swapping" to achieve multiprocessing. This has two implications: First, UZI requires a reasonably fast hard disk. Second, there is no point in running a different process while a process is waiting for disk I/O. This simplifies the design of the block device drivers, since they do not have to be interrupt-based. UZI itself occupies the upper 32K of memory, and the currently running process occupies the lower 32K. Since UZI currently barely fits in 32K, a full 64K of RAM is necessary. UZI does need some additional hardware support. First, there must be some sort of clock or timer that can provide a periodic interrupt. Also, the current implementation uses an additional real-time clock to get the time for file timestamps, etc. The current TTY driver assumes an interrupt-driven keyboard, which should exist on most systems. The distribution contains code for hard and floppy disk drivers, but since these were written for custom hardware, they are provided only as templates to write new ones. How UZI is different than real Unix: UZI implements almost all of the 7th Edition functionality. All file I/O, directories, mountable file systems, user and group IDs, pipes, and applicable device I/O are supported. Process control (fork(), execve(), signal(), kill(), pause(), alarm(), and wait()) are fully supported. The number of processes is limited only by the swap space available. As mentioned above, UZI implements Unix well enough to run the Bourne shell in its full functionality. The only changes made to the shell's source code were to satisfy the limitations of the C compiler. Here is a (possibly incomplete) list of missing features and limitations: The debugger- and profiler-related system calls do not exist. The old 6th edition seek() was implemented, instead of lseek(). The supplied TTY driver is bare-bones. It supports only one port, and most IOCTLs are not supported. Inode numbers are only 16-bit, so filesystems are 32 Meg or less. File dates are not in the standard format. Instead they look like those used by MS-DOS. The 4.2BSD execve() was implemented. Additional flavors of exec() are supported by the library. The format of the device driver switch table is unlike that of the 7th Edition. The necessary semaphores and locking mechanisms to implement reentrant disk I/O are not there. This would make it harder to implement interrupt-driven disk I/O without busy-waiting. A Description of this Release: Here is a list of the files supplied, and a brief description of each: intro: What you are reading config.h: Setup parameters, such as table sizes, and the device driver switch table. unix.h: All strcuture declarations, typedefs and defines. (Includes things like errno.h). extern.h: Declarations of all global variables and tables. data.c: Dummy to source extern.h and devine globals. dispatch.c: System call dispatch table. scall1.c: System calls, mostly file-related. scall2.c: Rest of system calls. filesys.c: Routines for managing file system. process.c: Routines for process management and context switching. Somewhat machine-dependent. devio.c: Generic I/O routines, including queue routines. devtty.c: Simple TTY driver, slightly-machine dependent. devwd.c: Hard disk driver. Very machine-dependent. devflop.c: Floppy disk driver. Very machine-dependent. devmisc.c: Simple device drivers, such as /dev/mem. machdep.c: Machine-dependent code, especially real-time-clock and interrupt handling code. extras.c: Procedures missing from the Q/C compiler's library. filler.mac: Dummy to make linker load UZI at correct address. makeunix.sub: CP/M SUBMIT file to compile everything. loadunix.sub: CP/M SUBMIT file to load everything. Miscellaneous Notes: UZI was compiled with the Code Works Q/C C compiler and the Microsoft M80 assembler under the CP/M operating system, on the same hardware it runs on. Also used was a version of cpp ported to CP/M, since the Q/C compiler does not handle macros with arguments. However, there are only a couple of these in the code, and they could easily be removed. Because UZI occupies the upper 32K of memory, the standard L80 linker could not be used to link it. Instead, a homebrew L80 replacement linker was used. This generated a 64K-byte CP/M .COM file, which has the lower 32K pruned by the CP/M PIP utility. This is the reason for appearance of the string "MOMBASSA" in filler.mac and loadunix.sub. To boot UZI, a short CP/M program was run that reads in the UZI image, copies it to the upper 32K of memory, and jumps to its start address. Other CP/M programs were written to build, inspect, and check UZI filesystems under CP/M. These made it possible to have a root file system made before starting up UZI. If the demand exists, these programs can be included in another release. Running programs under UZI: A number of 7th Edition, System V, and 4.2BSD programs were ported to UZI. Most notably, the Bourne shell and ed run fine under UZI. In addition the 4.2BSD stdio library was also ported. This, along with the Code Works Q/C library and miscellaneous System V library functions, was used when porting programs. Due to obvious legal reasons, the source or executables for most of these programs cannot be released. However, some kernel-dependent programs such as ps and fsck were written from scratch and can be included in future releases. Also, a package was created that can be linked to CP/M .COM files that will allow them to run under UZI. This was used to get the M80 assembler and L80 linker to run under UZI. Cpp was also ported to UZI. However, it was not possible to fit the Q/C compiler into 32K, so all programs (and UZI itself) were cross-compiled under CP/M. The Minix operating system, written for PCs by Andrew Tanenbaum et al, contains many programs that should compile and run under UZI. Since Minix is much less encumbered by licensing provisions than real Unix, it would make sense to port Minix programs to UZI. In fact, UZI itself could be ported to the PC, and used as a replacement for the Minix kernel. Doug Braun Intel Design Technology 408 765-4279 dbraun@scdt.intel.com or maybe: / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev6!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 13:17:21 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!spam!dcook@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (David Cook) Subject: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) Message-ID: <921@spam.ua.oz> > >>4. Whether any other CPM utilities are required, and where they are. >Just an editor. Can anyone recommend a small but useful editor ? I've been using Turbo Pascal as an editor, but I feel it's overkill for short programs/files (note: I don't want line editors, eg ED, just screen editors. Multiple files would be a bonus :) > >>My objective is to port UZI (version 7) onto an Archives Model 3 just for the >>hell of it. I would also like to investigate ZCPR3, but again it is hard to see >>in the mass of stuff available a document describing exactly what is required >>and what software/hardware prerequisites there are. >UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe >somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). > I've seen UZI mentioned a lot in this group, but I've never seen anything that really indicates what it is. So, what is it ? What sort of CP/M machine does it require ? Hard disk, 1 or 2 floppies ? 56/128 k RAM ? Also, can anyone answer the same questions for ZCPR3.3 ...I know it's a replacement for the CCP, but I looked in the ZCPR3.3 directory on wuarchivel.wustl.edu - there are a _lot_ of files there ... what are they all ? are they all needed ? Will they run on any CP/M machine, do they depend on being patched for each particular machine ?? <whew> Well, that's all (for now) It might be best to e-mail replies to dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au, and if anyone else is as ignorant about CP/M as me ( :-), I'll summarize. (the amazing thing is, I've been in an information vacuum w.r.t. CP/M for 6 years now ! Especially in hearing about latest developments) David T Cook | e-mail: dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au | Phone: +61 8 228 5709 Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths LMG, Adelaide Uni "The wonderful thing about USENET is that anyone can express their opinion." "The worrying thing is that they _do_." | Free Tibet ! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #122 ************************************* 9-Jul-91 18:22:17-MDT,11858;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 91 18:15:13 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #123 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910709181514.V91N123@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 9 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 123 Today's Topics: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jul 91 02:53:59 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (What a Guy!) Subject: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Message-ID: <16522.2878595f@levels.unisa.edu.au> In article <R3gB51w163w@dorsai.com>, sirknigh@dorsai.com (gawain) writes: > specifically one that repaginate, for cp/m? I would also like to > know if there is an off-line reader for cp/m. I'm new-ish to these > PCboard and Unix BBSs. Do you really need a separate off-line > reader for every BBS program? Thanks to one and all. Well, the one I know of is called CRR0110.ZIP. I can .uue it to you if you can undo that. It allows you to use XRS mailers a.k.a. a few other names as well. A fellow in the UK has written it; actually, IS writing it. has gone thru 3 revs from CRR0030 since last October... Let us know if you want it. I post this so others can see if they want to try it too... BTW it is a memory hog. I have to strip out my HD RSX so it can run. See ya... Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 05:54:11 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) Message-ID: <1991Jul8.235411.48341@cc.usu.edu> In article <921@spam.ua.oz>, dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes: > Can anyone recommend a small but useful editor ? > I've been using Turbo Pascal as an editor, but I feel it's overkill > for short programs/files (note: I don't want line editors, eg ED, > just screen editors. Multiple files would be a bonus :) Well, I uploaded Portable WordStar to my DECmate II and hacked it over to run there. It's a reasonabl WordStar implementation in 32K. Roger Ivie slsw2@cc.usu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 22:20:29 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!ichips!inews!cad412!dbraun@uunet.uu.net (Doug Braun ~) Subject: Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) Message-ID: <5054@inews.intel.com> (This may be a duplicate posting. If you got this yesterday, could you let me know?) In article <921@spam.ua.oz> dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au writes: >> >>>My objective is to port UZI (version 7) onto an Archives Model 3 just for the >>>hell of it. I would also like to investigate ZCPR3, but again it is hard to see >>>in the mass of stuff available a document describing exactly what is required >>>and what software/hardware prerequisites there are. >>UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe >>somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). >> > >I've seen UZI mentioned a lot in this group, but I've never >seen anything that really indicates what it is. >So, what is it ? >What sort of CP/M machine does it require ? Hard disk, 1 or 2 floppies ? >56/128 k RAM ? > Well, here is my standard UZI plug, from about a year ago. It mentions the compiler I used. Note that I am very close to releasing UZI-280, which is ten times cooler than UZI, assuming you have a Z280 computer. UZI is presumably still on SIMTEL20, and probably other places as well. UZI: UNIX Z-80 IMPLEMENTATION Written by Douglas Braun Introduction: UZI is an implementation of the Unix kernel written for a Z-80 based computer. It implementts almost all of the functionality of the 7th Edition Unix kernel. UZI was written to run on one specific collection of custom-built hardware, but since it can easily have device drivers added to it, and it does not use any memory management hardware, it should be possible to port it to numerous computers that current use the CP/M operating system. The source code is written mostly in C, and was compiled with The Code Works' Q/C compiler. UZI's code was written from scratch, and contains no AT&T code, so it is not subject to any of AT&T's copyright or licensing restrictions. Numerous 7th Edition programs have been ported to UZI with little or no difficulty, including the complete Bourne shell, ed, sed, dc, cpp, etc. How it works: Since there is no standard memory management hardware on 8080-family computers, UZI uses "total swapping" to achieve multiprocessing. This has two implications: First, UZI requires a reasonably fast hard disk. Second, there is no point in running a different process while a process is waiting for disk I/O. This simplifies the design of the block device drivers, since they do not have to be interrupt-based. UZI itself occupies the upper 32K of memory, and the currently running process occupies the lower 32K. Since UZI currently barely fits in 32K, a full 64K of RAM is necessary. UZI does need some additional hardware support. First, there must be some sort of clock or timer that can provide a periodic interrupt. Also, the current implementation uses an additional real-time clock to get the time for file timestamps, etc. The current TTY driver assumes an interrupt-driven keyboard, which should exist on most systems. The distribution contains code for hard and floppy disk drivers, but since these were written for custom hardware, they are provided only as templates to write new ones. How UZI is different than real Unix: UZI implements almost all of the 7th Edition functionality. All file I/O, directories, mountable file systems, user and group IDs, pipes, and applicable device I/O are supported. Process control (fork(), execve(), signal(), kill(), pause(), alarm(), and wait()) are fully supported. The number of processes is limited only by the swap space available. As mentioned above, UZI implements Unix well enough to run the Bourne shell in its full functionality. The only changes made to the shell's source code were to satisfy the limitations of the C compiler. Here is a (possibly incomplete) list of missing features and limitations: The debugger- and profiler-related system calls do not exist. The old 6th edition seek() was implemented, instead of lseek(). The supplied TTY driver is bare-bones. It supports only one port, and most IOCTLs are not supported. Inode numbers are only 16-bit, so filesystems are 32 Meg or less. File dates are not in the standard format. Instead they look like those used by MS-DOS. The 4.2BSD execve() was implemented. Additional flavors of exec() are supported by the library. The format of the device driver switch table is unlike that of the 7th Edition. The necessary semaphores and locking mechanisms to implement reentrant disk I/O are not there. This would make it harder to implement interrupt-driven disk I/O without busy-waiting. A Description of this Release: Here is a list of the files supplied, and a brief description of each: intro: What you are reading config.h: Setup parameters, such as table sizes, and the device driver switch table. unix.h: All strcuture declarations, typedefs and defines. (Includes things like errno.h). extern.h: Declarations of all global variables and tables. data.c: Dummy to source extern.h and devine globals. dispatch.c: System call dispatch table. scall1.c: System calls, mostly file-related. scall2.c: Rest of system calls. filesys.c: Routines for managing file system. process.c: Routines for process management and context switching. Somewhat machine-dependent. devio.c: Generic I/O routines, including queue routines. devtty.c: Simple TTY driver, slightly-machine dependent. devwd.c: Hard disk driver. Very machine-dependent. devflop.c: Floppy disk driver. Very machine-dependent. devmisc.c: Simple device drivers, such as /dev/mem. machdep.c: Machine-dependent code, especially real-time-clock and interrupt handling code. extras.c: Procedures missing from the Q/C compiler's library. filler.mac: Dummy to make linker load UZI at correct address. makeunix.sub: CP/M SUBMIT file to compile everything. loadunix.sub: CP/M SUBMIT file to load everything. Miscellaneous Notes: UZI was compiled with the Code Works Q/C C compiler and the Microsoft M80 assembler under the CP/M operating system, on the same hardware it runs on. Also used was a version of cpp ported to CP/M, since the Q/C compiler does not handle macros with arguments. However, there are only a couple of these in the code, and they could easily be removed. Because UZI occupies the upper 32K of memory, the standard L80 linker could not be used to link it. Instead, a homebrew L80 replacement linker was used. This generated a 64K-byte CP/M .COM file, which has the lower 32K pruned by the CP/M PIP utility. This is the reason for appearance of the string "MOMBASSA" in filler.mac and loadunix.sub. To boot UZI, a short CP/M program was run that reads in the UZI image, copies it to the upper 32K of memory, and jumps to its start address. Other CP/M programs were written to build, inspect, and check UZI filesystems under CP/M. These made it possible to have a root file system made before starting up UZI. If the demand exists, these programs can be included in another release. Running programs under UZI: A number of 7th Edition, System V, and 4.2BSD programs were ported to UZI. Most notably, the Bourne shell and ed run fine under UZI. In addition the 4.2BSD stdio library was also ported. This, along with the Code Works Q/C library and miscellaneous System V library functions, was used when porting programs. Due to obvious legal reasons, the source or executables for most of these programs cannot be released. However, some kernel-dependent programs such as ps and fsck were written from scratch and can be included in future releases. Also, a package was created that can be linked to CP/M .COM files that will allow them to run under UZI. This was used to get the M80 assembler and L80 linker to run under UZI. Cpp was also ported to UZI. However, it was not possible to fit the Q/C compiler into 32K, so all programs (and UZI itself) were cross-compiled under CP/M. The Minix operating system, written for PCs by Andrew Tanenbaum et al, contains many programs that should compile and run under UZI. Since Minix is much less encumbered by licensing provisions than real Unix, it would make sense to port Minix programs to UZI. In fact, UZI itself could be ported to the PC, and used as a replacement for the Minix kernel. Doug Braun Intel Design Technology 408 765-4279 dbraun@scdt.intel.com or maybe: / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev6!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / Doug Braun Intel Design Technology 408 765-4279 dbraun@scdt.intel.com or maybe: / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev6!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #123 ************************************* 12-Jul-91 23:30:16-MDT,9051;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 12-Jul-91 23:26:30 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 23:26:29 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #124 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910712232630.V91N124@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 12 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 124 Today's Topics: CPM compiler survey, please read & reply Found! (Was: Un-archiver utility for UNIX) I/O redirection in Small C 2.03 Need help with IMS box Re: Source for .?Y? Small editor ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Jul 91 08:10:14 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: CPM compiler survey, please read & reply Message-ID: <1991Jul12.081014.25381@cs.rug.nl> Dear all, Now and again the question of available CP/M compilers pops up. Lately this keeps centering around C compilers and Macro assemblers, but I think it would be nice to get a more general overview. Now I'm strictly CP/M-80 (2.2/3) myself, but I suppose we've got an audience with also CP/M-68k and CP/M-86 users. Undoubtebly the latter versions have more coplete implementations, but let's see anyway. Some compilers I can drag from memory: C: Small-c, BDS-C Pascal: Turbo-Pascal v3, Pascal/MT+ BASIC: MBASIC (interpreter), CBASIC Assembly: M80, ASM (CP/M 1/2 standard), MAC/RMAC (CP/M 3 standard) Modula-2 (by rumor) Ada (sounds like a nightmare, but anyway) PL/M (never seen one, but the BDOS interface (parameters in BC/DE) is based on a PL/M convention) I would like to collect information about any compiler you can think of that runs on CP/M machines, and I'll summarize the results. Preferably I'ld like to get entries as this one: Language: C Compiler name: BDS-C version ??, Copyright holder: BD Software Status: sold???, last checked: 198?, where: computer shop Remarks: No floating point, K&R Minimal system: CP/M-80, 48k, floppy. Especially the status of a package will be interesting. I doubt if many shops still sell CP/M software, and the big question is: `how far can we go?' Please mail your answers to me (laverman@cs.rug.nl). I'll let it collect for maybe two weeks, and then compile a list. Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 91 05:30:50 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!kogwy!new1!roger@ucsd.edu (Roger Meunier) Subject: Found! (Was: Un-archiver utility for UNIX) Message-ID: <ROGER.91Jul10142849@rc40.zuken.co.jp> In article <ROGER.91Jul3165058@rd1s.zuken.co.jp> I wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get an un-archive utility which I > could run in a UNIX environment (C-code, etc.)? Thanks to Michael (mds@iddth2.id.dk) for pointing me to ARCSRC.TAR-Z under PD2:<UNIX-C.ARC-PROGS> at SIMTEL20. That did the trick. Thanks to all the others, too, who offered help via e-mail. -- Roger Meunier @ Zuken, Inc. Yokohama, Japan (roger@zuken.co.jp) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 10:39 CST From: TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU Subject: I/O redirection in Small C 2.03 Message-ID: <49D51B66DCDF40103D@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Hello, Charles Meo write [edited]: >Date: 9 Jul 91 03:18:15 GMT >From: munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!yarra!cm@uunet.uu.net (Charles Meo) >Subject: Re: small c, assemblers, linkers >Message-ID: <72319@yarra.pyramid.com.au> > >For example, while smc211 outputs l80/m80 code, an earlier version (203) >makes LASM/MLOAD code. However, it writes the assembler output on stdout >and as far as I can tell there is no I/O redirection in CPM. And no way to >specify an output file name for the compiler! I have been using version 2.03 of Small C from Simtel20 for some time now with no difficulties. Contrary to the above extract, the compiler does support I/O redirection, in compiling and when running programs generated by the compiler. I use the LASM version of the compiler. Using the link directive, the need to copy the iolib.asm and call.asm files to the end of the compiler output is unnecessary. I also have a doc file for the compiler that is not part of smc203.ark. Redirection of i/o in Small C works as shown in the K+R book: A>cc80a program.c >program.asm would compile program.c to program.asm. A>program <input.txt >output.txt would run program.com created by Small C and LASM, with input taken from file input.txt and output sent to file output.txt. If you are interested in discussing Small C, please let me know. Regards, Lance Tagliapietra ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 91 14:44:17 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!spin@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Marvin Spinhirne) Subject: Need help with IMS box Message-ID: <1991Jul10.144417.2625@convex.com> I have an IMS (Industrial Micro Systems) Series 5000 CPM system, which has a model A820 winchester disk controller and Seagate 10Mbyte 5 1/4" drives. Unfortunately, the EPROM on the disk controller appears to have gone bad (the EPROM is what configures the board as either an 8" or 5 1/4" controller). I would like to find someone out there who can get me a copy of the EPROM, a hex dump of it, or at least some information on how to generate a new one. Any information at all would be greatly appreciated (including if IMS is still in business, and if so where at). In addition, my only copy of PLINK-II from Phoenix Software Associates for this same beast has gotten corrupted, and I would really like to replace it if possible. Anyone have any information on this company, or where I might obtain a copy? Marvin Spinhirne spin@convex.com {sun,texsun,uunet}!convex!spin work #214-497-4425 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 91 13:42:08 GMT From: uupsi!sunic!dkuug!diku!ankh@rice.edu (Klaus Ambrass) Subject: Re: Source for .?Y? Message-ID: <1991Jul10.134208.14565@odin.diku.dk> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes: >ankh@diku..dk (Klaus Ambrass) answered a request for the source code for >a program to generate ?Y? (LZH) compressed files was in C. Roger Warren >in San Diego coded CRLZH12.LBR in assembler, which will both compress and >extract LZH to/from ?Y? files. He did not include the source code as he >did not feel he was done with his work (or so he stated to me). I wasn't aware that there existed any LZH-cruncher in CP/M (now I am). And where please can I get a copy of CRLZH12.LBR? Site addr, mail addr, anything? Many thanx in advance. >I believe Roger is soon to release an update, possibly by the end of the >summer. Am hopeful he will release the source code at that time. Yes, hopefully. >Meanwhile, since it is not in a high level language, you could >disassemble. On the other hand, I would suspect not many would understand >what is going on in there! :-) You can say that again. I've been looking into it a bit and found a lot of incomprehensible (sp?) stuff. Mind you, that the process of compacting data was explained to me twice and it sounded sooooo easy, but that, when faced with the actual code, I'd have to give up. I simply couldn't remember a thing, and so far I haven't had any luck in finding any literature on it <Klaus> -- <Klaus-never-stop-posting-to-alt.fan.monty-python> | This is also me: | +-------------------------------------------------------+ ankh@freja.diku.dk | | The only person who changes quotest while you read. | locked away at: | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Some U in Copenhagen| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 04:33:22 EDT From: Steve_Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: Small editor Message-ID: <9318176@ub.cc.umich.edu> In answer to a question from someone looking for a small handy editor, I use something called VDE which takes up 10k of disk space (very nice) and has WS-like commands, but produces regular ascii files, with cr's if you set a right margin for auto-wrap. It's not perfect, but it's very nice especially for editing small command files and the like. By the way, if any of you know where docs are, let me know. There are a few things I haven't been able to figure out, such as what the printing options are, and how to use the split window function. --Steve Graham: sg2@ub.cc.umich.edu USERHEFX@UMICHUB.BITNET graham@m-net.uucp ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #124 ************************************* 16-Jul-91 02:26:36-MDT,8815;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 16-Jul-91 02:21:07 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 91 02:21:06 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #125 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910716022107.V91N125@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 16 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 125 Today's Topics: Info needed on .LBR file format Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Re: Small editor (2 msgs) rz/sz (Zmodem) for Unix and VAX/VMS updated on SIMTEL20 ZMP overlay for Televideo TS803 ZOO version 2.10 for Unix, VAX/VMS, etc. now available on SIMTEL20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Jul 91 19:03:07 GMT From: rti!mozart!sasrer@mcnc.org (Rodney Radford) Subject: Info needed on .LBR file format Message-ID: <1991Jul15.190307.17707@unx.sas.com> I have an .LBR file of a PD FORTH (F83), that I would need to read, but I do not have an .LBR file reader. I am not normally a CPM'er, but I do have access to several Z80 systems I would like to put the FORTH on (there is some source in the file I am told). The problem is that I do not know how to read the file.... Any documentation on the file format, or perhaps a reader (written in C, Pascal, Fortran, or someother high level language available on my Unix workstation) is available. Please help, since I need the FORTH source for a project that is already over-due (local area robotics contest). BTW: If anyone has source to a PD Z80 FORTH system that they could email me, please let me know.... -- Rodney Radford || Computer Graphics/Imaging sasrer@unx.sas.com || SAS Institute, Inc. (919) 677-8000 x7703 || Cary, NC 27513 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 91 00:22:36 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Message-ID: <XX00000157@nowster.UUCP> In message <16522.2878595f@levels.unisa.edu.au> etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au wrote: >> specifically one that repaginate, for cp/m? I would also like to >> know if there is an off-line reader for cp/m. I'm new-ish to these >> PCboard and Unix BBSs. Do you really need a separate off-line >> reader for every BBS program? Thanks to one and all. > Well, the one I know of is called CRR0110.ZIP. I can .uue it to you > if you can undo that. It allows you to use XRS mailers a.k.a. a few > other names as well. A fellow in the UK has written it; actually, IS > writing it. has gone thru 3 revs from CRR0030 since last October... CRR works with XRS-Door (was RAX/QMX/etc.). CRR is on SIMTEL if anyone is interested <CPM.BBS>. Yes, CRR is still being developed. It was started in Easter 1990, and there's a group of CPM users on the local bulletin board who won't let me stop tweaking it. > BTW it is a memory hog. I have to strip out my HD RSX so it can run. Yes, it needs 42K. I've tried as hard as I can to keep the requirements down (overlays), and the distribution versions have only 4K of space for the Turbo Pascal heap... It's shareware. (Only 7 registrations in the whole year it's been released 8-( ). Bug reports, suggestions, (dare I say it) registrations welcomed. -- Paul Martin pm.nowster@tharr.uucp ..!uunet!ukc!tharr!pm.nowster ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 91 01:20:52 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <HL2Z52w164w@gnat.rent.com> Steve_Graham@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU writes: > By the way, if any of you know where docs are, let me know. There are a few > things I haven't been able to figure out, such as what the printing options > are, and how to use the split window function. I have the full LBR for VDE version 2.66 on my Z-Node in central New Jersey. You can connect at (908) 754-9067 or through PCP (NJNBR) or Starlink (3319) at up to 2400 bps. Also have ZDE, which is VDE updated for Z-System. Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 21:02:19 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <kmPZ52w164w@ijpc.UUCP> Steve_Graham@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU writes: > In answer to a question from someone looking for a small handy editor, I use > something called VDE which takes up 10k of disk space (very nice) and has > WS-like commands, but produces regular ascii files, with cr's if you set a > right margin for auto-wrap. It's not perfect, but it's very nice especially > for editing small command files and the like. You'd be better off using ZDE which is more up-to-date than VDE (the author of VDE doesn't support CP/M anymore) and is ZCPR3 compatible. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1991 15:51 MDT From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Subject: rz/sz (Zmodem) for Unix and VAX/VMS updated on SIMTEL20 Keywords: modem,xmodem,ymodem,zmodem,unix,vax,vms,omen,forsberg Summary: SIMTEL20 gets the files directly from Chuck Forsberg Message-ID: <W8SDZ.12701639880.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> The July 1991 version of Chuck Forsberg's rz/sz for Unix and VAX/VMS is available from WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL [192.88.110.20] or mirror site wuarchive.wustl.edu. Directory: PD8:<MISC.UNIX> File name: RZSZ9107.TAR-Z Function: X/Y/Zmodem for many flavors of Unix File type: Compressed tar archive Rename to rzsz.tar.Z after transferring with FTP in TENEX mode, uncompress and then extract with command: tar xfv rzsz.tar This file is also available as RZSZ9107.ZIP for those who have UNZIP working on Unix. Directory: PD8:<MISC.VAXVMS> File name: RZSZ9107.TLB Function: X/Y/Zmodem for VAX/VMS File type: VMS Text LIBrary RZSZ9107.TLB is a VMS Text LiBrary which contains Omen Technology's ZMODEM-90(Tm) file transfer RZ and SZ programs, compiled to run on the DEC VAX/VMS operating system. The programs support 4 popular VMS record formats and feature Crash Recovery, wild card expansion, and MobyTurbo(Tm), compression. For dial-in use only with Omen products DSZ, ZCOMM, or Professional-YAM. IMPORTANT!!: If uploading with VMS Kermit use: SET FILE TYPE FIXED. To extract: $ LIB/EXTRACT=EXTRACT_TLB^COM/OUTPUT=EXTRACT_TLB.COM rzsz9107.tlb $ @EXTRACT_TLB rzsz9107 Questions about rz/sz should be directed to: caf%omen.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Forsberg) Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 91 23:32:44 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: ZMP overlay for Televideo TS803 Message-ID: <XX0000015c@nowster.UUCP> Anyone got one that works? -- pm.nowster@tharr.UUCP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1991 01:26 MDT From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Subject: ZOO version 2.10 for Unix, VAX/VMS, etc. now available on SIMTEL20 Message-ID: <W8SDZ.12701744445.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Rahul Dhesi's Zoo archiver, zoo 2.10, for Unix, VAX/VMS, and other operating systems is now available from SIMTEL20. Directory: PD8:<MISC.UNIX> File name: ZOO210.TAR-Z Function: Make/extract/view ZOO archives File type: Compressed tar archive Rename to zoo.tar.Z after transferring with FTP in TENEX mode, uncompress and then extract with command: tar xfv zoo.tar Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #125 ************************************* 17-Jul-91 11:26:39-MDT,10704;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:15:10 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #126 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910717111511.V91N126@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 17 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 126 Today's Topics: How to upload files to SIMTEL20 Looking for Kaypro 4 software New uploads on SIMTEL20 Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) System disk needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 10:54 MDT From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Subject: How to upload files to SIMTEL20 Message-ID: <W8SDZ.12702110105.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> I have received many inquiries about why SIMTEL20 does not publish instructions for uploading files for those who wish to submit their programs. The reason is that we prefer to coordinate uploads by having contributors contact us first so we can check to make sure the program is not already in the repository. File uploads are accepted via FTP using a special uploading account, or via e-mail using a special mailbox which does not interfere with regular correspondence. If you have a program to upload please send e-mail to me with a short description of the files you wish to submit. Please do *not* send files to my mailbox. Because of local management policy, SIMTEL20 does not accept games for submission to the archives unless they are strictly educational. Thanks to all those who are actively supporting the respository by helping us keep up to date with the latest programs. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 91 00:38:20 GMT From: taco!eos.ncsu.edu!dowalker@lll-winken.llnl.gov (DAVID OGLESBY WALKER) Subject: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <1991Jul17.003820.7010@ncsu.edu> Hello, I own an old Kaypro 4, still running CP/M 2.2, and am looking to find two things: One: a ZModem up/download program and an uncompresser for *.?Z? files (like FILENAME.CZM) . Simtel-20 doesn't recognize me, and won't let me in. Also, does anyone still sell the graphics chips for the old (pre-'84) Kaypro IIs and 4s, I'd kind of like to be able to do VT-100 codes with my Kaypro, so that I don't have to scrounge for adm3a or vt52 codes for my sysops. David ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 91 23:25:05 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!metro!usage.csd.unsw.oz.au!henryb@uunet.uu.net (Dr Henry Brancik) Subject: New uploads on SIMTEL20 Message-ID: <1946@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au> I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2:<cpm.graphics> BASPLOT.LBR Regression and Spline functions plot in BASIC Given a set of experimental points the program will plot the points on either graphics screen or graphics plotter or will write all command lines into a data file. If required, the program will calculate regression coefficients (8 models) or spline functions coefficients (their first and second derivati- ves) and will plot these functions. Source code files (Microsoft BASCOM Com- piler v.5.3) can be easily modified to suit. Literature references are given where appropriate. pd2:<cpm.asmutl> ASMLIB.LBR Library of .ASM routines and utilities This is a collection of .asm routines which are compatible with Digital Research macro assembler, linker and librarian (RMAC, LINK, and LIB). The routines include miscelaneous functions (read and write clock, RAM tests, monitor, read analogue to digital channel, etc.), screen functions, character string functions, conversions, simple maths and numeric printing. Utilities for manipulation of binary files, reading and writing EPROMs (27.. series), and terminal setup utility. The following is a message from the ASMLIB.LBR author: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date : 08/05/1991 From : Richard C Holmes. C/O SME Systems 22 Queen Street Mitcham Vic. 3132 Australia Phn +(61) (03) 874-3666 BBS +(61) (03) 873-5204 To Whom It May Concern (CP/M users) The following 5 programs are hereby placed into the public domain for free usage with the sole restriction that the authors name, Richard C Holmes, and company copyright messages are not changed. In other words, we wrote the programs and are happy to anyone who wants to use them to do so as long as we are remembered! There shall be no fee charged for this software by any third party or company or department. This software is free to the end user. ASMLIB A source library of assembler routines put together to assist in writing programs in 8080 and TDL version Z80 assembler. Assemble with RMAC or uss the source for your own reasons. The main reason (for me) for writing this library was to provide a configurable set of screen driver codes (ie cursor address, half intensity etc etc). This was done by putting a key-code at the start of the table of attribute codes which another program searches for and patches directly. So, you can patch programs written with ASMLIB to suit most terminals. Other functions in the library such as a simple time delay, CRC generator, cursor addressing and message printing make ASMLIB cute and simple to use. FP A screen oriented file patcher. Does a neat job of patching in ascii or hex and has a host of options etc. PROM150 A premium program for programming EPROMS on SME Systems (bet you never heard of us!) or S.D. Systems Prom100 cards. If you are this far into eprom programming then you should be able to figure out that for the 2764 and bigger eproms you need an adaptor. Contact me for a circuit diagram etc. SETUP A program that directly patches (wow!) the screen driver codes in .COM files that use the ASMLIB program. This program should be accompanied by a (small?) data base of available screen setup codes which can be edited and added to etc. TATT A program to TEST setup and ASMLIB screen drivers. PS. If anyone out there is doing development work on a CP/M system for the '64180 chip and uses RMAC then I have my own source for another library of functions including interrupt redirection etc. This is intended for embedded systems only. ------End of message------------------------------------------------------ Henry Brancik, E-mail: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (UNIX system) S-nail: Univ. NSW, Sch. Fiber Sci. Technl., Kensington, NSW 2033, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 13:43:56 GMT From: maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!uafhp!acrosby@rutgers.edu (Albert Crosby) Subject: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Message-ID: <6838@uafhp.uark.edu> In article <16522.2878595f@levels.unisa.edu.au>, etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au (What a Guy!) writes: > Well, the one I know of is called CRR0110.ZIP. I can .uue it to you > if you can undo that. It allows you to use XRS mailers a.k.a. a few > other names as well. A fellow in the UK has written it; actually, IS > writing it. has gone thru 3 revs from CRR0030 since last October... How about posting it to SIMTEL20 (if that'd be OK with the author) so we can all check it out/enjoy it/use it? Keith Peterson is still the moderator, and he still follows this group. You can also find instructions on how to post to SIMTEL20 in the (ack) comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives group. Albert ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 91 23:25:02 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: System disk needed Message-ID: <1991Jul16.232502.18814@baron.uucp> ================================================================== || || || || || WW WW AAAAAA NN NN TTTTTTTT EEEEEEEE DDDDDDD || || WW WW AA AA NNN NN TT EE DD DD || || WW WW AA AA NNNN NN TT EE DD DD || || WW WW WW AAAAAAAA NN NN NN TT EEEEEEE DD DD || || WWWWWWWW AA AA NN NNNN TT EE DD DD || || WWW WWW AA AA NN NNN TT EE DD DD || || WW WW AA AA NN NN TT EEEEEEEE DDDDDDD || || || || ------------------------------------------------- || || || || CP/M 2.2 SYSTEM DISK || || || || FOR || || || || BMC INTERNATIONAL || || MODEL IF80120 || || || || || ================================================================== This is the machine with monitor and drives elevated above the combined printer and keyboard. It uses two 5.25" DSDD floppy drives. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #126 ************************************* 19-Jul-91 00:32:23-MDT,8523;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:24:44 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #127 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910719002445.V91N127@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 19 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 127 Today's Topics: Looking for an old Flight Simpulator Re: Apple II CP/M, also UUCP Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software (4 msgs) Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Jul 91 13:50:27 GMT From: taco!eos.ncsu.edu!dowalker@lll-winken.llnl.gov (DAVID OGLESBY WALKER) Subject: Looking for an old Flight Simpulator Message-ID: <1991Jul18.135027.29471@ncsu.edu> I used to have a copy of a Kapyro flight simulator program. It was basically an instruments only landing simulatoion. I have lost my copy, and canot even recall the name. If anyone knows where to find it Please let me know. (you might guess I'm tryoing to get things working again on this old dino. It been running hard since Christmas, 1983, with only one major problem (Disk head on A drive gave out in '89). ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 06:08:42 GMT From: csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Apple II CP/M, also UUCP Message-ID: <89N051w164w@ijpc.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes: > Ian, was that a MICROSOFT CP/M patch I saw zinging by? Hmmmmm..... > I've been running on a PCPI Applicard, but a Microsoft CP/M patch could > be useful. I believe so. I wrote it... I'll post it for those who are interested, but I can't right now because the PC I'm using, which I'm borrowing from a friend, is running hard drives only. I'll post it soon. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 91 17:29:38 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!amadeus!donk@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <6530@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> In article <1991Jul17.003820.7010@ncsu.edu> dowalker@eos.ncsu.edu (DAVID OGLESBY WALKER) writes: > >Also, does anyone still sell the graphics chips for the old (pre-'84) >Kaypro IIs and 4s, I'd kind of like to be able to do VT-100 codes with >my Kaypro, so that I don't have to scrounge for adm3a or vt52 codes for >my sysops. > Rembrandt is still available from Central Computer Products for the your Kaypro. The graphics program with a new ROM chip is $49. Rembrandt is a graphics presentation software package. It includes on screen drafting, both free hand and data graphing, as well as fancy printer drivers to make hard copy presentations. Central Computer Products can be contacted: 330 Central Avenue Fillmore California 93015 (805) 542-4189 I have no relationship with either the makers of Rembrandt or Central Computer products other than as a satisfied customer. -- -Don Kirkpatrick (donk@amadeus.WR.TEK.COM) UUCP: ...!uunet!tektronix!amadeus.wr.tek.com!donk ARPA: <donk%amadeus.wr.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET> ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 91 19:38:02 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> dowalker@eos.ncsu.edu (DAVID OGLESBY WALKER) writes: > I own an old Kaypro 4, still running CP/M 2.2, and am looking to find > two things: One: a ZModem up/download program and an uncompresser for > *.?Z? files (like FILENAME.CZM) . > David, you want ZMP15 for Zmodem. Don't be fooled by the 'Z' in the name. That refers to 'Zmodem' and not 'ZCPR' or 'Z-System'. It is a CP/M implementation of Zmodem in C, written by Ron Murray in Australia. The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR (last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. You can find them on my CRUNCH: directory on Z-Node 32 at (908) 754-9067. Use the NJNBR (for PC Pursuit) or 3319 (for StarLink) outdials if you have either service. I have ZMP15.LBR on the MODEM: directory, if memory serves me right. Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 12:41:31 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!spam!dcook@uunet.uu.net (David Cook) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <953@spam.ua.oz> In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes: > >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both >are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* network ... I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, and I sure *don't* want to pay the phone bill for calling one from Australia :-) Besides, I got CRLZH from wuarchive.wustl.edu, (which mirrors the wsmr-simtel20.army.mil archives of CP/M, MS-DOS, and other software), via anonymous ftp, from the directory mirrors/cpm/squsq, file crlzh11.lbr. >You can find them on >my CRUNCH: directory on Z-Node 32 at (908) 754-9067. Use the NJNBR (for >PC Pursuit) or 3319 (for StarLink) outdials if you have either service. >I have ZMP15.LBR on the MODEM: directory, if memory serves me right. > >Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal >Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 > GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 > | (908) 755-6186 David T Cook | e-mail: dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au | Phone: +61 8 228 5709 Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths LMG, Adelaide Uni "The wonderful thing about USENET is that anyone can express their opinion." "The worrying thing is that they _do_." | Free Tibet ! ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 18:16:20 GMT From: aunro!ersys!davem@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Dave McCrady) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <XXLa61w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes: > > In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) w > > > >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR > >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both > >are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. > > Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* > network ... I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, > and I sure *don't* want to pay the phone bill > for calling one from Australia :-) > Accoring to my list there are two Z-Nodes in Australia: #62 in Perth at 61-9-450-0200 #50 in Alice Springs, NT at 61-089-528-852 Dave McCrady | davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca +1 403-454-4054 (voice) | Edmonton Remote Systems +1 403-454-6093 (public USENET) | Serving Northern Alberta since 1982 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 21:18:00 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Message-ID: <XX0000016e@nowster.UUCP> Albert Crosby <acrosby@uafhp.uark.edu> wrote: > > Well, the one I know of is called CRR0110.ZIP. I can .uue it to you > How about posting it to SIMTEL20 (if that'd be OK with the author) so we can I've already posted it to SIMTEL20. It's <CPM.BBS>CRR0110.ZIP I'm the author. 8-) -- Paul Martin pm.nowster@tharr.uucp ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #127 ************************************* 20-Jul-91 11:58:20-MDT,7323;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 20-Jul-91 11:53:45 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 91 11:53:44 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #128 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910720115345.V91N128@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 20 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 128 Today's Topics: Kaypro Looking for a hard drive for Actrix (Access Matrix) DS printing gifs to printer Re: Looking for an old Flight Simulator Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Re: Small editor ZNodes in OZ (was re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jul 91 06:13:12 GMT From: ryptyde!ryptyde.cts.com@nosc.mil (Max Cohan) Subject: Kaypro Message-ID: <164@ryptyde.UUCP> 1. I just got a Kaypro 4, it has a Kaypro 4 case, and a 'non-glare' screen over the monitor... it also has a Turbo modification... BUT it appears to be a kaypro ][! when it boots it says 'Kaypro II' and some Kaypro 4 programs don't seem to work on it... What is the difference on the motherboard between a Kaypro 2 and 4? Also, could someone post a uuencoded ROM 'image' (ie bin file, or HEX...or asm that I can assemble...but I PREFER one already assembled, linked, and split into seperate image files) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 91 01:51:10 GMT From: netcomsv!dmitry@decwrl.dec.com (Dmitry Grinauz) Subject: Looking for a hard drive for Actrix (Access Matrix) DS Message-ID: <1991Jul20.015110.3920@netcom.COM> Hi, everyone! I am looking for a hard drive that was made specifically for the Actrix, or Access Matrix CP/M computer. I know that this was a 10 meg hard drive with Xebec HPIB controller in it. Unfortunately, I do not know the model number of the controller. Anyhow, if anybody got that drive and is willing to sell it, please let me know. I would settle for a box with working controller and bad drive. Dmitry Gringauz. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 91 02:13:25 GMT From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!cwest@uunet.uu.net (Charles West) Subject: printing gifs to printer Message-ID: <1991Jul20.021325.14221@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> I am hoping to find a program to print gif pictures .. I know my kaypro cant handle any graphic form close to gif .. heck it barely puts a corner of an .rle file to the screen but thought someone might have come up with some type of program to print the darn things out (gif not rle) Thanks, Charles West Chwest@ualr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1991 06:27:06 PDT From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Re: Looking for an old Flight Simulator Message-ID: <"19-Jul-91 9:27:06 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > I used to have a copy of a Kapyro flight simulator program. > It was basically an instruments only landing simulatoion. I > have lost my copy, and canot even recall the name. If it's what I THINK it is, it is not a Kapyro specific program, but an ASCII based instrument flight simulator. It's called Instrument Flight if I remember right. I have it (on a Xerox 820-II), and it's not bad at all. Last I knew, you could get it from Central Computer Products for around $30. Elliam Associates might also have it. In any case, they are both sources where you can still get CP/M software. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) Central Computer Products 330 Central Avenue Fillmore, CA 93015 (805) 524-4189 Elliam Associates P.O. Box 2646 Atascadero, CA 93423 (805) 466-8440 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 91 18:05:04 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <1991Jul19.180504.23790@baron.uucp> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes: [...] >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both > [...] CRUNCH28 will certainly do it for him, Chris, but I think that EXL (which I sent him in uue form) is a better choice since it handles libraries as well. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 91 04:33:37 GMT From: astroatc!nicmad!madnix!ruth!rat@speedy.wisc.edu (David Douthitt) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <qieB61w164w@ruth.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: > You'd be better off using ZDE which is more up-to-date than VDE > (the author of VDE doesn't support CP/M anymore) and is ZCPR3 > compatible. Where can one get ZDE? I had been using VDE, and like it moderately so. Is ZDE ZCPR 3.0 capable? (rather than 3.4 or 4.0 or whatever...) As long as I'm wandering about in the quicksand of editors... is there a vi-clone for CP/M? UUCP: uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!ruth!rat | [witty saying stolen... InterNet: rat@ruth.UUCP | reward offered for safe ==== Apple II Forever! ==== | return.] ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 91 02:42:19 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net (What a Guy!) Subject: ZNodes in OZ (was re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software) Message-ID: <16543.2886d723@levels.unisa.edu.au> In article <XXLa61w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave McCrady) writes: > > dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes: > >> >> In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) w >> > >> >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR >> >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both >> >are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. I have both if you want me to E-mail them as .uue files..... >> Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* >> network ... I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, A Z-node is a place where BBS heads into the Z-system should be!! >> and I sure *don't* want to pay the phone bill >> for calling one from Australia :-) > > Accoring to my list there are two Z-Nodes in Australia: > #62 in Perth at 61-9-450-0200 > #50 in Alice Springs, NT at 61-089-528-852 Well, that list is bogus. Z-node #50 has not been in existance for at least two years. . . I remember calling it in late '89 only to find it disconnected. The good news is that: Z-node 62, run by Lindsay Allen & Ron Murray is going quite nicely. They are even on Fido-net. If anyone wants the ZN62 Fido-net node number, I'll get it for them! Thank the stars above! The southern cross that is! Ronn ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #128 ************************************* 22-Jul-91 11:22:09-MDT,9510;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 91 11:15:30 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #129 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910722111531.V91N129@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 22 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 129 Today's Topics: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Re: Small editor Re: Televideo CP/M system? (3 msgs) Televideo CP/M system? two z80-based systems for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jul 91 22:13:47 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <o0Le61w164w@ijpc.UUCP> dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes: > In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) w > > > >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR > >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both > >are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. > > Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* > network ... I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, > and I sure *don't* want to pay the phone bill > for calling one from Australia :-) Mr. McEwen seems to have forgotten that there are sites called "RCP/Ms". Not everyone who runs a CP/M BBS necessarily runs a Z-Node, Chris. In fact, the RCP/M is the direct ancestor to the Z-Nodes. Don't also forget that Z-Nodes are, by their very nature, RCP/Ms. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 91 01:20:52 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <HL2Z52w164w@gnat.rent.com> Steve_Graham@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU writes: > By the way, if any of you know where docs are, let me know. There are a few > things I haven't been able to figure out, such as what the printing options > are, and how to use the split window function. I have the full LBR for VDE version 2.66 on my Z-Node in central New Jersey. You can connect at (908) 754-9067 or through PCP (NJNBR) or Starlink (3319) at up to 2400 bps. Also have ZDE, which is VDE updated for Z-System. Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jul 91 20:45:04 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <1991Jul21.204504.7719@baron.uucp> It is probably either an 802H or 803H. Perhaps Ed Grey, who frequents these parts, can shed some further light on it. He is much more conversant with TeleVideo things than I. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 07:12:58 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <1991Jul22.071258.29390@cs.rug.nl> In article <CMM.0.90.2.680031965.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips) writes: >I just picked up a machine that comes with a cp/m disk. The machine >says televideo all over it; the screen and the cpu. When I try to >fire it up, all it does it give me rows and rows of dots. Does anyone >know anything about this one? Oh yeah, it has a single 5-1/4" floppy >drivr, with an area on the right for a harddrive, but {there is none >there. Can anyone give me any info on this? Thanx in advance! Is there anything that might tell the model? I know the 806 prints dots while it is waiting for the harddisk to come up. Does it have a reset button? try pressing it, maybe it'll switch over to the floppy drive. (the 806 does this) Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 15:47:41 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <1991Jul22.094741.48472@cc.usu.edu> In article <CMM.0.90.2.680031965.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Earl W Phillips <ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes: > I just picked up a machine that comes with a cp/m disk. The machine > says televideo all over it; the screen and the cpu. When I try to > fire it up, all it does it give me rows and rows of dots. Does anyone > know anything about this one? Oh yeah, it has a single 5-1/4" floppy > drivr, with an area on the right for a harddrive, but {there is none > there. Can anyone give me any info on this? Thanx in advance! Sounds to me like your machine is configured to a satellite machine on a Mmmost network. It's looking to boot from the network server rather than from a local disk. There's a dipswitch that controls whether or not it does that, but I haven't the foggiest which. Assuming it's an 802 or 803, that is... Roger Ivie slsw2@cc.usu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 91 17:46:05 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.680031965.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I just picked up a machine that comes with a cp/m disk. The machine says televideo all over it; the screen and the cpu. When I try to fire it up, all it does it give me rows and rows of dots. Does anyone know anything about this one? Oh yeah, it has a single 5-1/4" floppy drivr, with an area on the right for a harddrive, but {there is none there. Can anyone give me any info on this? Thanx in advance! ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 09:13:48 GMT From: NEXTASY2.EECS.WSU.EDU!dwatola@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David Watola) Subject: two z80-based systems for sale Message-ID: <9107220910.AA07810@nextasy2.eecs.wsu.edu> i have to get rid of the following two systems, as soon as possible. i am not looking to get rich, merely to cover some of my initial investment (i only have about $250 invested total) and give these systems a good home. otherwise they get junked. system #1: a tei 18-slot motherboard, case, powersupply. several boards, including z80 cpu, probably 32-48k ram, (on multiple 8k boards, blech), a custom disk controller (no drives though), and a 2sio/2pio board. this has been tested briefly, just to verify that it powers up and run zapple properly. system #2: a running ccs system. humongous power supply and case, 18-20 slot motherboard. disk controller, two 8" drives. 5 serial ports. 64k ram. all cards are ccs boards. most of the documentation on most of the cards. bios source, (etc) but i can't currently generate a new system (just copy bootable disks and modify disk sectors manually to change the bios). the disk drives are dsdd (1.2 megs). 10-15 1.2 meg disks filled with stuff; another 30 or so low density (256k) disks. disk case. i am in a hurry right now, so i won't go into detail. send me email and i can give a complete summary of parts, with factory part numbers. system #2 has worked very well for me over the past few years, but i have reached a point where i can no longer fit everything i own into my pickup truck so i have to ditch some of it. make me an offer and its yours. you will have to worry about shipping charges; these suckers weight a ton. hell, make me a semi decent offer on system #2 and you can have #1 for a song. you will probably have to pay more for postage or shipping than anything else... unless you are anywhere near pullman, washington (oh, yeah, right!) please don't make me junk these... both motherboards are excellent for prototyping, but who has time for that kind of stuff??? anyway, contact me by email: dwatola@nextasy2.eecs.wsu.edu dwatola@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #129 ************************************* 23-Jul-91 19:22:33-MDT,9061;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 91 19:15:51 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #130 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910723191552.V91N130@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 23 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 130 Today's Topics: CP/M Compiler survey, additional info requested Keeper of the CP/M disks Re: Small editor Re: Televideo CP/M system? Re: Televideo update Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Televideo update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Jul 91 08:08:21 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: CP/M Compiler survey, additional info requested Message-ID: <1991Jul23.080821.394@cs.rug.nl> Hi all, My compiler survey did get some results, but I would like to extend the list a little before posting it. particularly, there are several compilers/packages mentioned by name only. Can anyone give me info on: FTL Modula-2 (also mentioned as Hisoft FTL Modula-2) Turbo Modula-2 (heard about it in comp.lang.modula2) Pro Pascal Janus/Ada C-Pack (Is that Ada, or just the manufacturers' name??) JRT Pascal Several remarks were made about Microsoft not caring anymore about their products. Anyone from Microsoft on the list? RS (I suppose that is Radio Shack aka Tandy) in Australia seems to sell quite some stuff for 3-figure amounts (Australian $). Anyone from Tandy in the US on-line? Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 02:55:28 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: Keeper of the CP/M disks Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.680237728.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Would you happen to have a boot disk for the Televideo 802? I hear {this *may* get my {*new* syst{em going.{...... ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 12:34:21 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <yRkH61w164w@ijpc.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes: > ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: > > > You'd be better off using ZDE which is more up-to-date than VDE > > (the author of VDE doesn't support CP/M anymore) and is ZCPR3 > > compatible. > > Where can one get ZDE? I had been using VDE, and like it moderately > so. Is ZDE ZCPR 3.0 capable? (rather than 3.4 or 4.0 or whatever...) I believe I just said that. I've been using ZCPR33 for a long time (about a year and a half) and have had no problems with ZDE. BTW, are you running ZCPR 3.0? If so, you'd be better off running ZCPR 3.3. It's MUCH better than 3.0. You don't have to change your Z3BASE.LIB file. > As long as I'm wandering about in the quicksand of editors... is there > a vi-clone for CP/M? I seriously doubt it. It would be kinda nice, though... :-) Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 04:38:28 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!loligo!swanson@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Swanson) Subject: Re: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <1991Jul23.043828.29848@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> In article <CMM.0.90.2.680031965.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips) writes: > > >says televideo all over it; the screen and the cpu. When I try to >fire it up, all it does it give me rows and rows of dots. Does anyone I am pretty sure you have snagged one of the "network" stations from an old TeleVideo system. The dots you see are the machine waiting for the network to respond via the RS422 port. Someplace inside the machine is a switch you can throw to defeat this portion of the BIOS, and force the machine to run standalone. I used a system like this about 10 years ago, right before IBM announced the PC. I don't have any of the docs, so I can't even begin to suggest which switch to play with. I think I DO have some of the original 5.25 disks around here someplace. I'll see if there's any documentation on them. I think the OS was called MMMOST, or something like that. It was basically CP/M, made "easy" for idiots. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 05:05:20 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Televideo update Message-ID: <1991Jul23.050520.9851@baron.uucp> ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips) writes: > [...] >It seems that the machine is a model 800 (?) for on the keyboard, it >says "TS-800A". I've heard that it is not booting up cause it's waiting >for a "server" ? As I have no idea this is, could someone please fill >me in? Also, as I obviously don't have this "server", is the rest junk? >Or, is there some way to hook it up to yet another CP/M running machine? >On back of this Televideo, it has 6 connections, marked User 1 through 6 >which I took to mean that this may be an MP/M system? What the heck is >this beastie? HELP?!??!?!?!?!?!??! > From the rear connection description, it sounds more like the server without the hard drive. Earl, is there open space for a hard drive or is it covered with a blank panel? Are the two ribbon cables and edge connectors for a hard disk installed? Do they connect to *anything* if so? No, don't characterize it as junk - at least not yet! Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 20:01:18 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!kth.se!news@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Message-ID: <0094C0C1.E3F236E0@lne.kth.se> Is there anyone who knows if it is possible to create a stand-alone .COM-file from a basic program with BASCOM and L80 (ver 3.44), that is in some way link the BRUN.COM into the .COM-file. I have a CP/M 2.2- system. Please, let me know if it is possible. Thomas Thor Royal Inst. of Techn. Stockholm, Sweden e-mail: thor@lne.kth.se ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 22:26:57 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: Televideo update Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.680221617.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I have an update on my plea for Televideo info: It seems that the machine is a model 800 (?) for on the keyboard, it says "TS-800A". I've heard that it is not booting up cause it's waiting for a "server" ? As I have no idea this is, could someone please fill me in? Also, as I obviously don't have this "server", is the rest junk? Or, is there some way to hook it up to yet another CP/M running machine? On back of this Televideo, it has 6 connections, marked User 1 through 6 which I took to mean that this may be an MP/M system? What the heck is this beastie? HELP?!??!?!?!?!?!??! Thanx in advance for ANY info; boy, I'm really lost now! :) ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #130 ************************************* 25-Jul-91 05:45:57-MDT,7276;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 25-Jul-91 05:40:22 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 05:40:21 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #131 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910725054022.V91N131@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 25 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 131 Today's Topics: Hard Drive for Osborne-1 wanted HOW TO READ CPM DISK DRIVE FROM PC? Microsoft Softcard for Apple ][ Re: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Re: Televideo update Wanted Osborne Executive ROM & BIOS Listings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Jul 91 04:52:57 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uhccux!wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu!bethke@uunet.uu.net (Earl Bethke) Subject: Hard Drive for Osborne-1 wanted Message-ID: <14079@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> I'm looking for a hard drive for an Osborne-1 computer. If anyone has one they want to get rid of (or sell), send me some email. Thanks, Earl (bethke@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 91 19:43:58 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rphroy!cfctech!teemc!ka3ovk!nstar!towers!mgcind!sfbhq!Fred_Mail@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Brice Fleckenstein) Subject: HOW TO READ CPM DISK DRIVE FROM PC? Message-ID: <679917385.18@sfbhq.Fidonet.Org> You might ask for more information at the Dino(saur) SIG of the San Diego Computer Society for help - lots of old-time CP/M Hackers that should collectively be able to come up with a solution for you. Also, Jade has a San Diego store, they MIGHT be able to come up with some information for you - but I wouldn't bet on it, as they completely discontinued their once-extensive CP/M support almost 10 years ago.... * Origin: Brice's Library TBBS - Indianapolis IN (317) 353-0410 (1:231/190) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 03:33:37 GMT From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!efichtne@uunet.uu.net (Erik Fichtner) Subject: Microsoft Softcard for Apple ][ Message-ID: <1991Jul25.033337.3100@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> I recently acquired a Microsoft Softcard for an Apple ][+ that sits over in the corner collecting dust.. I did not recieve *any* documentation or disks with the card, so I don't have a clue how to make it go. Is there some way to pass Z80 instructions to it on the bus (possible multi-processing) is there any way I can program this card to do Z80 things without the CP/M disks to run it? and if not, does anyone have disks/manuals or copies thereof that they could mail me via US Snail? respond via email: efichtne@isis.cs.du.edu -- Techs (efichtne@nyx.cs.du.edu [isis.cs.du.edu]) Disclaimer: If any of the above is wrong, I didn't post it. {p:ily} ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 09:09:49 GMT From: wupost!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!ersys!davem@g.ms.uky.edu (Dave McCrady) Subject: Re: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Message-ID: <3m1k61w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> thor@lne.kth.se writes: > > Is there anyone who knows if it is possible to create > a stand-alone .COM-file from a basic program with > BASCOM and L80 (ver 3.44), that is in some way link > the BRUN.COM into the .COM-file. I have a CP/M 2.2- > system. > > Please, let me know if it is possible. Sure. Just add the /O switch when you call BASCOM. eg. bascom=ziffle /o Dave McCrady | davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca +1 403-454-4054 (voice) | Edmonton Remote Systems +1 403-454-6093 (public USENET) | Serving Northern Alberta since 1982 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 07:37:59 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: Televideo update Message-ID: <1991Jul24.073759.801@cs.rug.nl> ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips) writes: >I have an update on my plea for Televideo info: > >It seems that the machine is a model 800 (?) for on the keyboard, it >says "TS-800A". I've heard that it is not booting up cause it's waiting >for a "server" ? As I have no idea this is, could someone please fill >me in? Also, as I obviously don't have this "server", is the rest junk? >Or, is there some way to hook it up to yet another CP/M running machine? >On back of this Televideo, it has 6 connections, marked User 1 through 6 >which I took to mean that this may be an MP/M system? What the heck is >this beastie? HELP?!??!?!?!?!?!??! >Thanx in advance for ANY info; boy, I'm really lost now! :) Hey, this is amazing!! The 800 really IS a diskless mmmost client! At least, I haven't seen any with another way of running. It wants the server to send over the CP/M image. However, I'm starting to get confused about your description. Not the 800, but the 806 SERVER has 6 connections on its back!, and didn't you mention an empty spot where a harddisk could have been. Could it be you have BOTH an 806 AND an 800, and didn't know BOTH have a Z80? The 800 looks remarkably like a Tvi-950 terminal, and it is VERY easy to mistake it for a dumb terminal! P.S. if this is the case, you'ld better find an 806 WITH a harddisk before you can do something with it. Earlyer version had a a small HD (10 MB unformatted, about 7.5MB usable space), later versions sported a slim-line TEAC floppy drive, and still later versions had a 20MB HD. Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 20:25:21 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!IASTATE.EDU!danny@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Staedtler Danny A) Subject: Wanted Osborne Executive ROM & BIOS Listings Message-ID: <1991Jul24.152521@IASTATE.EDU> I am planning on making some modifications to my Osborne Executive. What I plan is to do the following: 1. Build a replacement memory board to add memory banks 2-6 2. Replace my 5 1/4" (180K) floppies with 3 1/2" (720K) floppies 3. Replace the Monitor EPROM (a 2764 with a 27128) and put in some addition built in functions. I have schematics and just about have the artwork for the memory board done. However to get 2 and 3 above accomplished, I need the listing to Osborne Executive ROM Monitor version 1.44 and BIOS code. Does someone out there have the Osborne Technical Reference Manuals that contains the source code listings? Can I make some arrangement to photocopy or scan them in? I have also talked to two people who said they had hard drives in their Exec's (when they had them). Does anybody have any technical information on this? Just an old CPM hardware hacker - Dan Staedtler (danny@iastate.edu) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #131 ************************************* 26-Jul-91 16:28:09-MDT,11802;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 16:15:59 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #132 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910726161601.V91N132@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 26 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 132 Today's Topics: Bradford printing program Osborne-1 BIOS source? RCP/Ms and Z-Nodes Re: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? RE: That televideo thing..... Re: your Televideo 'thing' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 10:24 CST From: TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU Subject: Bradford printing program Message-ID: <3D448B352A5F200D23@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Hello, Has anyone used the Bradford printing program available from Simtel20 in <cpm.list> as brad2-a.ark? When I try to run bradford.com I get an insufficient memory error and the program aborts. Any idea how much TPA this program needs to run? I am using Montezuma Micro CP/M on my TRS-80 Model 4. I have been able to use the bf2small.com in the bfupdat1.ark. This is a version which will only to 140 columns and uses less memory. Is this program still being sold? Lance ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 15:37:38 GMT From: milton!sumax!amc-gw!thebes!polari!rwing!jeffery@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Jeffery Foy) Subject: Osborne-1 BIOS source? Message-ID: <348@rwing.UUCP> Does anyone happen to have source to the Osborne-1 BIOS? I'd like to do some hacking but need the source. Jeff -- ------------------------------------- Jeffery Foy - This life is a demo...[Unregistered] ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 06:50:45 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: RCP/Ms and Z-Nodes Message-ID: <aJJo61w164w@gnat.rent.com> Last week I answered a question and then went away on vacation. Seems my message generated a series of subsequent messages: On 18 Jul 91 12:41:31 GMT, dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) wrote: >>In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com >>(Chris McEwen) writes: >>The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or >>CRLZHnn.LBR (last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 >>is out). Either or both are readily available on Z-Nodes >>around the country. >Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* >network ... You are quite right, David. My apologies. I had no intension of slighting anyone outside the United States. >I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, and I sure *don't* want to >pay the phone bill for calling one from Australia :-) Nor would I! :-) A Z-Node is a bbs that is devoted to supporting CP/M and ZCPR. Most are run as RCP/Ms. On 19 Jul 91 02:42:19 GMT, etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au (What a Guy!)wrote: >A Z-node is a place where BBS heads into the Z-system should be!! While on 20 Jul 91 22:13:47 GMT, ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) continues: >Mr. McEwen seems to have forgotten that there are sites called >"RCP/Ms". Not everyone who runs a CP/M BBS necessarily runs a >Z-Node, Chris. In fact, the RCP/M is the direct ancestor to the >Z-Nodes. Don't also forget that Z-Nodes are, by their very >nature, RCP/Ms. Ian, a Z-Node and an RCP/M are not necessarily the same. My system is both. That is, it is an RCP/M that is dedicated to supporting CP/M and Z-System users. But as matter of definition, the term RCP/M refers to a system whereby the users are permitted access to the CP/M operating system. What they may *find* there depends on what the system is established to support. Of course, many do support our operating system, but I've known many RCP/Ms used to support private businesses, writers' groups, clubs. That was why I mentioned Z-Nodes. Support for CP/M does not have to come from a CP/M based machine. There are people running Z-Nodes (supporting CP/M and ZCPR) from other platforms. So Z-Nodes are not, by their very nature, RCP/Ms. Then, on 18 Jul 91 18:16:20 GMT, davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave McCrady) wrote: >Accoring to my list there are two Z-Nodes in Australia: >#62 in Perth at 61-9-450-0200 >#50 in Alice Springs, NT at 61-089-528-852 To which etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au (What a Guy!) replied: >Well, that list is bogus. Z-node #50 has not been in existance >for at least two years. I remember calling it in late '89 only to >find it disconnected. The good news is that: Z-node 62, run by >Lindsay Allen & Ron Murray is going quite nicely. They are even >on Fido-net. If anyone wants the ZN62 Fido-net node number, I'll >get it for them! This brings us full circle. (1) A Z-Node is a bbs (usually but not always an RCP/M) to support CP/M and ZCPR. (2) Many RCP/Ms support CP/M and ZCPR but few outside the United States have been listed, at least so far as the rest of us would know. Ian Cottrell publishes a list of RCPMs and Jay Sage releases the list of Z-Nodes. I have published the Z-Node list in the last two issues of TCJ. The RCP/M listing is too large to print. Sysops of either should get their systems listed so that support for users can be available in their own countries. Jay reads this news group. His Internet address is SAGE@LL.MIT.EDU. So far as I know, Ian is not on the net. I can forward mail to him for you. We need your help in compiling the information! Thanks. Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 06:31:11 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!pdxgate!qiclab!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Re: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Message-ID: <1991Jul25.063111.7008@techbook.com> In article <0094C0C1.E3F236E0@lne.kth.se> thor@lne.kth.se writes: > > Is there anyone who knows if it is possible to create > a stand-alone .COM-file from a basic program with > BASCOM and L80 (ver 3.44), that is in some way link > the BRUN.COM into the .COM-file. I have a CP/M 2.2- > system. > > Please, let me know if it is possible. Yes, it is possible. on the command line for the compiler add a /O (letter 'O' not a zero) to tell the compiler to stick RQUEST OBSLIB.REL into the object file, instead of RQUEST BASLIB.REL. the linker will instead pull routines out of the OBSLIB.REL library. These routines do not require the presence of BRUN.COM, and oftentimes will allow larger programs to execute in less memory. To do this, you need to have a copy of OBSLIB.REL around somewhere. It is a part of the distribution package. But the downside of this is that there are some commands that are implemented in BASLIB.REL that are not implemented in OBSLIB.REL. Depending on whether your existing programs use these commands, you might have some problems getting them to compile to standalone executables. For instance, COMMON is not supported, and CHAIN is semantically equivalent to a RUN statement. RUN <linenumber> is not supported. RUN can only call another *.COM file. The CLEAR command is not supported in any way. For large applications, these may cause additional problems. Implementing a system of programs that call one another is not easy, since sharing information is restricted. What you may end up doing is passing parameters from one module to another by writing them into a file, and having the target module check for the presence of that file Programs that use CLEAR to allow arrays to be resized will also have problems. Arrays cannot be dynamically allocated, as they could with the interpreter, and array definitions must be integer constants. Once you define an array for a program, you cannot delete it or change it. Hope that helps you... -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... No wonder I can't hold a regular sleeping schedule. My subconcious mind knows we are only one well-placed bullet from having Quayle as president. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 22:26:33 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: RE: That televideo thing..... Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.680480793.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> First, I wanna thank all who have replied to my plea for help. (I don't know how I get myself into these things!). Second, the consensus seems to be that I have two birds here; the monitor seems to be in actuality something else, a Televideo model 800. The cpu seems to be a Televideo Model 806. At least that's what those with much more brains than I say it is. I guess the big problem is that the monitor is looking for a "server" to boot up from, and the cpu is trying to boot up period. Somehow I gotta get the two connected together properly. While the monitor part has an RS422 connector, the other end of the cable that's connected to it is connected to the "User 1" port on the cpu. Now, the cpu has a "terminal" port, but no cable connected to it, and none came with it. It looks to be a 25-pin RS232 connector. Say, do you suppose that I could hook up a dumb televideo 950 or 925 terminal to that, and t'd fire up? Just a thought.... in the meantine, I guess the big question is, can this monitor and this cpu be made to work together? (I haven't got a Televideo dumb terminal anyway!) To those of you who responded to me via here, I'll keep ya'all posted as to any developments in this saga, please keep feeding me info! For those of you who sent me email on this, check your mailboxes! (Whew, if I ever figure this one out, I'm gonna lay off pickin' up any more machines for a while!) :) ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 05:25:09 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: your Televideo 'thing' Message-ID: <1991Jul25.052509.11572@baron.uucp> Earl, I have a copy of the MMMOST disk that I am sending to you - I think I still have your address. I have Sysgen'd it with the CPM58.COM file that is on the disk. Hopefully, it will boot for you. The only 802 that I have is the 802H (hard-drive), and I'm not sure it will work. I'll send it along also, though, just in case. Most of the files on the MMMOST disk will probably not be of value, but they are there anyway for your own amazement, if nothing else. Keep us posted on this project. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #132 ************************************* 29-Jul-91 01:14:14-MDT,5521;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 29-Jul-91 01:04:15 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 01:04:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #133 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910729010415.V91N133@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 29 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 133 Today's Topics: More help needed. Qterm/vt100 Re: Microsoft Softcard for Apple ][ Wanted - Compupro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Jul 91 21:28:30 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!plains!skar%plains.NoDak.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Skar aka Roddy) Subject: More help needed. Message-ID: <11302@plains.NoDak.edu> Help needed again. This time I am still using my apple IIe with the UUCP program. Now I want to use my No-slot clock with the UUCP programs. Can anybody supply some much needed help. Thanks..... -- Keith M. Skar aka Roddy skar@plains.nodak.edu Internet | All I ask is for a chance skar@plains Bitnet | to prove that money ..!uunet!plains!skar UUCP | can't make me happy!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 91 04:01:36 EDT From: Steve.Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: Qterm/vt100 Message-ID: <9460729@ub.cc.umich.edu> I am using the cpm QTERM comm program with its vt100 emulator to talk to our mainframe (UB-MTS) full-screen message system. I am running QTERM on a Kaypro-II, a slow machine. The problem I am having is that even at 1200 baud sometimes the vt100 codes coming in from MTS go by too fast for the Kaypro to keep up, and the screen gets scrambled. I checked this out at 300 baud, and at that speed it works first time, every time, but that is impractical. What I need is either a way to halt input from MTS while the Kaypro processes the cursor and screen control codes, or a way to patch QTERM with what I believe is called an "interrupt driver". I'm just parroting the term, I don't know what it means. I have a fast terminal emulator (fastterm.com) that works at high speeds without dropping characters, apparently because it is interrupt driven. Suggestions are solicited. Please keep in mind that I relatively ignorant of these matters, and have almost no experience in working with assembler. If patching is an option you'll have to tell me how, as well as what to patch. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 21:56:22 GMT From: iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@uunet.uu.net (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Microsoft Softcard for Apple ][ Message-ID: <NgPP61w164w@ijpc.UUCP> efichtne@isis.cs.du.edu (Erik Fichtner) writes: > I recently acquired a Microsoft Softcard for an Apple ][+ that sits over > in the corner collecting dust.. I did not recieve *any* documentation > or disks with the card, so I don't have a clue how to make it go. I have every clue and I'll see if I can help because I started out on an Apple II Plus and a SoftCard. > Is there some way to pass Z80 instructions to it on the bus (possible multi-p > is there any way I can program this card to do Z80 things without the > CP/M disks to run it? You absolultely can NOT do multi-processing with a regular SoftCard (maybe, and I mean ---MAYBE---, with a SoftCard //e). It is physically impossible and it isn't feasible if you're talking about running the two processors running asynchronously (i.e. running the two processors independently of each other). When the SoftCard is active, it effectively completely takes over your whole computer. It puts the 6502 to sleep and becomes the main processor for a time. > and if not, does anyone have disks/manuals or copies thereof that they could > mail me via US Snail? Gimme your address, and I'll see what I can do. > respond via email: efichtne@isis.cs.du.edu I like responding publicly because all can benefit. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 03:58:26 GMT From: virtech!rickr@uunet.uu.net (Rick Rodman) Subject: Wanted - Compupro Message-ID: <1991Jul27.035826.13284@virtech.uucp> I have recently acquired a Compupro system running MC-DOS (multi-concurrent dos). It boots but I don't have the system password. I'd like to acquire a copy of CP/M-816 or manuals to MC-DOS or MP/M-816. I have no manuals. For that matter, I'd like hardware manuals for the dual processor, Disk 1A, hard disk controller, system support 1 and/or interfacer 3 boards, and ram-21 ram boards. If you have such manuals available, please send me e-mail or give me a call. For that matter, if you have any compupro hardware such as that listed laying around, give me a call. Thanks a bunch! Rick Rodman uunet!virtech!rickr "Yesterday's Tomorrow is Here Today" 1 703 330 9849 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #133 ************************************* 29-Jul-91 14:21:36-MDT,11580;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:15:47 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #134 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910729141548.V91N134@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 29 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 134 Today's Topics: CP/M compiler list - 29-7-1991 Re: Qterm/vt100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Jul 91 11:37:42 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: CP/M compiler list - 29-7-1991 Message-ID: <1991Jul29.113742.567@cs.rug.nl> [ 1st Version: 29 July 1991 ] [ Last edited: 29 July 1991, by laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) ] C P / M - 8 0 C O M P I L E R L I S T ========================================= This list is an attempt at answering most of the `Can anyone tell me what the best CP/M compiler for language "foo" is?' questions. Please do not expect this list to be definitive. I am very much dependent on the information sent to me, and if nobody mentioned a certain compiler, chances are you won't find it here. If you know of a compiler that should be in the list, send me a description. Compiler categories: I've split up the list into two parts, based on how much info I have on the compiler concerned. The first list is a list of compilers with some kind of description, the second list contains compiler only known to me by name. Please note that 1 (one) line of descriptive comment is enough to make it a category 1 compiler. ;-) Compiler availability: Many compilers are still sold, others can only be obtained as an illegal copy. Also some compilers are public domain, but alas that group is rather small. I think that, even though many companies are no longer actively engaged in maintaining their CP/M packages, they will _not_ look kindly on publicly announced copying. Since I received _no_ communications from persons working for companies like Borland, Microsoft, and Digital Research, I wonder if any of them monitor this list. Perhaps we as collective CP/M users can draw some goodwill, and persuade them to remove some of the copying restrictions on e.g. binaries. I mention the copyright holder when known. "?? PD ??" means that I don't know, but that they are for sale at such a low rate that I suspect them to be at least shareware. Many Bulletin Boards have interesting software, and Ed Grey not only runs a BBS, but also sells MIX C and Turbo PASCAL v3. RS components in England also sells originals materials. I mention these two as example, undoubtebly there are others with remnants of a large stock. JRT PASCAL, Prolog-80, Micro-COBOL, Forth-83, Small-C and others are appearently PD, and can be had from BBSes. PCW world seems to have MBASIC on one of their disks, but I'm doubtful about their right to do this. References: I include the names of all those that sent me information on the compilers, since they are likely to know more if you have questions about a specific product. The rumors: Hah! many! I'm forced to reject rumors that Microsoft is no longer interested: RS components still sells compilers for CP/M+ - including Macro-80! - for three figure amounts. 1. Known compilers: ------------------- Ada: ==== - Janus/Ada ??? PASCAL subset of Ada. Teeny bit of parallelism. Refs: dcb Algol 60: ========= - Valgol v1. ?? PD ?? Subset of Algol 60. Generates Z80 code. Needs "E Prolog". Refs: u895217 Assembly: ========= - ZMAC v1.07D *Public Domain* Z80 macro assembler Refs: wittig Add-ons: - ZLINK v1.07D Linkage editor - Macro-80 Microsoft Magnificent Macro assembler & linking loader. Link files are relocatable and used by all Microsoft compilers, as well as many others. Refs: laverman, henryb - MAC & RMAC Digital Research Standard assembler for CP/M 3 (aka CP/M+). RMAC produces .REL files. Linker can produce .PRL executables (Page ReLocatable). BASIC: ====== - MBASIC compiler Microsoft The MBASIC interpreter is _the_ standard. This is the compiler. Refs: laverman - Hisoft Z Basic ???? Supposedly produces slow code. Refs: u895217 - SBASIC Kaypro?? Comes with Kaypro II Refs: Steve.Graham C: == - Small-C v1.2 *Public Domain* No floating point, less than K&R ed. 1 Refs: wittig Add-ons: - Peephole optimizer - Preprocessor (K&R) - Assembly optimizer for Small-C - MIX C v2.1.0 MIX Software Full K&R, including float and long. Refs: ewen, ac959 - HiSoft C ???? K&R, but no floats. Refgs: u895217 - HiTech C v. 3.09 Hi-Tech Software Full K&R _and_ ANSI. (!!) Refs: mds - Arnor C Arnor Ltd Full K&R Refs: u895217 - C/80 Software Toolworks IMathpac also available. Refs: henryb - BDS-C BD Software Almost K&R C, no floats, but fake-float support is in the package. Refs: laverman COBOL: ====== - Micro COBOL ?? PD ?? Cut down COBOL, no indexed files, no sort. Refs: u895217 - Nevada COBOL ???? Based on 1974 standard. No indexed files. Refs: u895217 Fortran: ======== - Fortran-80 Microsoft Allmost complete Fortran IV implementation. Claims to have the fastest mathematical library for 8080/Z80. Works (maybe) with a RATFOR preprocessor. Refs: agr-rss, laverman Modula-2: ========= - Hisoft FTL Modula-2 Hisoft (???) Good, fast, and extensive. Comes with editor. Lib source included. Compiler is one-pass, so FORWARD declarations are needed. Implements Modula-2 2nd edition(!) Refs: u895217, cummings - Turbo Modula-2 Borland Intl. Editor, compiler, linker & librarian in one. Fast & good. Can interface to .REL files (Macro-80). Implements Modula-2 3rd edition(!) Refs: svh, cummings - Hochstrasser Z80-Modula-2 Hochstrasser Computing AG Implements 2nd edition Modula-2. Troubles with large programs. Refs: cummings PASCAL: ======= - Turbo PASCAL v3.01A Borland Intl. Editor & compiler in one. Fast. No separate modules, but include files are supported. Refs: ac959 - Nevada PASCAL ???? Needs >=60K RAM. Refs: u895217 - JRT PASCAL ?? PD ?? P-code system. Refs: se - PASCAL/MT+ Digital Research Full PASCAL, including modules with interfaces. Uses an object file format that is derived from Microsoft's .REL files. Ideal for large projects. Refs: svh, laverman PL/I: ===== - PL/I-80 Digital Research The way of parameter handling to BIOS & BDOS is derived from the way this compiler did it. Refs: svh 2. Known by name: ----------------- Mu-LISP iLISP 2.0 Toolworks LISP/80 CBASIC Mi-C Avotec C Aztec C (Any relation to Atari ST Aztec C???) Pro Fortran 1.25 E Prolog Prolog 80 micro-Prolog 3.1 Prolog-1 2.2 Forth 83 Hisoft Forth Maxam 2 (What language ???) 3. References: -------------- ac959: ac959@cwns2.ins.cwru.edu (Ed Grey) agr-rss: agr-rss@brl.mil (Richard S. Sandmeyer) cummings: cummings@primerd.prime.com (Kevin J. Cummings) dcb: dcb%grgzfla.UUCP@vax.cs.pitt.edu (Daniel C. Becker) ewen: ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) henryb: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (Henry Brancik) laverman: laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) mds: mds@id.dth.dk (Michael Dantzer-Sorensen) Steve.Graham: Steve.Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu (Steve Graham) se: se@ikp.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) svh: svh@shell.com (Steven V. Hovater) u895217: u895217@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Scott Marshall) wittig: wittig@gmdzi.gmd.de (Georg Wittig) -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jul 91 17:24:29 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!emory!ogicse!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Re: Qterm/vt100 Message-ID: <1991Jul29.172429.15323@techbook.com> In article <9460729@ub.cc.umich.edu> Steve.Graham@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU writes: >I am using the cpm QTERM comm program with its vt100 emulator to talk to >our mainframe (UB-MTS) full-screen message system. >I am running QTERM on a Kaypro-II, a slow machine. >The problem I am having is that even at 1200 baud sometimes the vt100 codes >coming in from MTS go by too fast for the Kaypro to keep up, and the screen >gets scrambled. I checked this out at 300 baud, and at that speed it works >first time, every time, but that is impractical. Kinda common on 2Mhz z80 machines... >What I need is either a way to halt input from MTS while the Kaypro processes >the cursor and screen control codes,or a way to patch QTERM with what I believe >is called an "interrupt driver". I'm just parroting the term, I don't know >what it means. well, most mainframes don't have the response time needed to tell them to stop sending in time. the interrupt driven approach is the best alternative, but bear in mind it might not solve the problem. most cp/m com programs use an "overlay" to allow the same executable code to work on different serial port hardware. your best bet would be to rewrite the overlay so it does interrupt driven input/output. the hardware is definately able to support it. but the reason why i said this might not work is because interrupt driven input will allow the terminal/computer to store characters it otherwise would miss in a circular buffer in RAM. If the serial port baud rate is too fast for the processor to handle, then interrupt driven input won't do a scrap of good. it will, however, allow your machine to handle the data as fast as it can when the baud rate is faster than the processor can handle, for short periods of time. (like, the the processor is handling those vt100 codes.) you may find that you'll have to get your mainframe to add nulls to the end of every line, to give the kaypro time to catch up. handling interrupt requests on a z80 system (using z80sio chips) is very straightforward and reading the data sheets will give you all the information you need. (whether it is comprehendable or not is left as an excercise for the student... ;) there are many books on the subject, if you can still find them. someone may have already gone ahead and written an interrupt driven overlay for QTERM for the kaypro II, so if you can find someone who has one you may have the easy way out there. but if you can't find one, i'll help you with it. I have a kaypro II 83, which is probably the same thing you have, and could help debug the code. all you need as a starting point is a virgin copy of the QTERM distribution, which should have the overlay information in it. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... No wonder I can't hold a regular sleeping schedule. My subconcious mind knows we are only one well-placed bullet from having Quayle as president. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #134 ************************************* 2-Jul-91 20:24:30-MDT,9991;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 91 20:15:38 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #120 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910702201539.V91N120@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 2 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 120 Today's Topics: cp/m screenplay formatter Odd machine Patch for cp/am?? Patching Mix C compiler Re: HELP!! -Annoying Problem with Televideo 803H w/o Hard Drive- Re: Patch for cp/am?? Source for .?Y? Xerox 820-II 5.25 conversion needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Jun 91 18:55:14 GMT From: uupsi!dorsaidm!sirknigh@nyu.edu (gawain) Subject: cp/m screenplay formatter Message-ID: <R3gB51w163w@dorsai.com> I use a kaypro 1, double-sided, double-density disk drives with the wordstar 4.0 version. A friend showed me a program for screen- writing for DOS that did everything, including repagination if you change the merest paragraph. These tasks take me a full work day at least. Not having the spare cash for even a cheap DOS machine, I thought to ask here. Dos anyone know of a screenplay formatter, specifically one that repaginate, for cp/m? I would also like to know if there is an off-line reader for cp/m. I'm new-ish to these PCboard and Unix BBSs. Do you really need a separate off-line reader for every BBS program? Thanks to one and all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1991 17:18 CDT From: CHWEST@UALR.EDU Subject: Odd machine Date sent: 2-JUL-1991 17:14:31 A friend requested i look for an operating disk foor a machine I had not heard of, I hope someone can help. Semi-Tec Microelectronics Model ppc 001 sn 100883468 Pied Piper ??? machine He said the Commadore connector to the video port worked which he found very odd... We are in need of a system disk and any information on the ports. Thanks Charles West __________ | /_ CHWEST@UALR.BITNET | | | * | |_ | |_____| Little Rock, Arkansas ..._ ..._ The opinions expressed by the HUSBAND of this HOUSEHOLD do not necessarily agree with those of the MANAGEMENT. THE MANAGEMENT ..._ ..._ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 01:06:56 GMT From: ogicse!plains!skar%plains.NoDak.edu@uunet.uu.net (Keith Skar aka Roddy) Subject: Patch for cp/am?? Message-ID: <11022@plains.NoDak.edu> I am using an Apple IIe with Applied Engineering version of cpm CP/AM 5.1.1. I am wondering if there is a Qterm type patch that is compatable with it. I downloaded qterm.patches a long time ago and I cant remember if it was the 4.2 patches or the previous version of patches. Can anybody help.... thanks -- Keith M. Skar aka Roddy skar@plains.nodak.edu Internet | All I ask is for a chance skar@plains Bitnet | to prove that money ...!uunet!plains!skar UUCP | can't make me happy!! ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 04:23:42 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!rcocl@uunet.uu.net (Chong Lee) Subject: Patching Mix C compiler Message-ID: <1991Jul2.042342.23927@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> Has anyone patch Mix C (CP/M) to look for the overlay file (CC.OVY or C.OVY) on a drive other than drive A:?. There are instructions in the read.me file to patch CC.OVY itself to look for libraries and other stuff, but not CC.COM to pick up the overlay file. PS. I have version 2.1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Chong L. Lee rcocl@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au ..!uunet!munnari.oz.au!rcocl@minyos.xx.rmit.oz Communications and Electrical Dept. Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Melbourne, Victoria 3000, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jun 91 07:55:45 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: HELP!! -Annoying Problem with Televideo 803H w/o Hard Drive- Message-ID: <1991Jun28.075545.18001@cs.rug.nl> In article <15736@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> baumgard@handel.cs.colostate.edu (jan feli baumgardner) writes: >HELP! > >I have a Televideo TS-803H CP/M machine, running CP/M 2.2. > >I have a hardware problem. The machine originally came with a hard drive >and a single floppy drive. > >The hard disk was cannabalized (I.E. MISSING) when I got the machine, >and although It runs fine off of the floppy drive, Whenever I turn >the machine on, I recieve a "HARDWARE ERROR: CONTACT DISTRIBUTOR" >or a "Booting from hard disk" message. > >Once I turn the machine on and off and on a few times, it has no trouble >booting from the floppy drive. I was wondering what it takes to make >the computer realize that the hard disk is missing. > >If anyone knows the answer to this question, >PLEASE, PLEASE (grovel grovel beg) PLEASE let me know. It would be >most gratifying to clean up this annoying, if not life-threatening problem. I had a 806 up and running for a while (until the HD gave up of old age). The idea is that the machine boots either from floppy or from harddisk. Of course the 806 (a server for up to 6 diskless z80 systems) was supposed to boot from harddisk all the time. The trick was to simply press the re-boot button immediately, and then it would try the other device. I suppose it stored an indication of what was tried last time somewhere in memory. So, if you have a reset button on it, try using that. The 80x series are sufficiently prehistoric _not_ to know something as auto-configuration. You could try to find the boot ROM's, disassemble them, find the right spot for correcting the boot device, and make new EPROM's. ;-) Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 08:14:26 GMT From: csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@decwrl.dec.com (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Patch for cp/am?? Message-ID: <Re8F51w164w@ijpc.UUCP> skar@plains.NoDak.edu (Keith Skar aka Roddy) writes: > I am using an Apple IIe with Applied Engineering version of cpm > CP/AM 5.1.1. I am wondering if there is a Qterm type patch that > is compatable with it. I downloaded qterm.patches a long time > ago and I cant remember if it was the 4.2 patches or the previous > version of patches. Can anybody help.... I certainly can. I -WROTE- one! See, the Applied Engineering Z80 Plus card for the II Plus, //e, IIGS and compatibles are completely compatible with Microsoft's board. One board will run the other's CP/M (CP/AM). In fact, I have a Microsoft SoftCard (as in the original, not the SoftCard //e) and I tested the patch under Applied Engineering's CP/AM 5.1 and it works well. But you MUST be using a Super Serial card or something like it, i.e. one that runs a 6551 at memory locations 0E0x8 through 0E0xB where x=8H + slot. ___________________________________________________________________________ |Ian Justman |The Rimmer Directive: | |6612 Whitsett Drive (USPSnet) |"Never tangle with anything that's got | |North Highlands, CA 95660-3830 |more teeth than the entire Osmond Family."| |(916) 344-5360 (AT&Tnet) |__________________________________________| |UUCP: ...!{ames | apple | sun }!pacbell_ | |UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac_________|-- !sactoh0!ijpc!ianj | |___________________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 91 22:14:22 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: Source for .?Y? Message-ID: <NaqB51w164w@gnat.rent.com> ankh@diku..dk (Klaus Ambrass) answered a request for the source code for a program to generate ?Y? (LZH) compressed files was in C. Roger Warren in San Diego coded CRLZH12.LBR in assembler, which will both compress and extract LZH to/from ?Y? files. He did not include the source code as he did not feel he was done with his work (or so he stated to me). I believe Roger is soon to release an update, possibly by the end of the summer. Am hopeful he will release the source code at that time. Meanwhile, since it is not in a high level language, you could disassemble. On the other hand, I would suspect not many would understand what is going on in there! :-) Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1991 12:32 CDT From: Arun Baheti <SABAHE@MACALSTR.EDU> Subject: Xerox 820-II 5.25 conversion needed A friend is looking for a cheap way to set up a 5.25" drive on his 8" 820-II. If you have the latest version of who is doing this sort of work, please forward it (along with rough prices if you have them) and I will pass it on. Thanks for your help. Arun Baheti sabahe@mac.cc.macalstr.edu arun_baheti.elsegundo@xerox.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #120 ************************************* 7-Jul-91 17:04:46-MDT,6717;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 7-Jul-91 16:49:48 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 91 16:49:48 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #121 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910707164948.V91N121@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 7 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 121 Today's Topics: BASPLOT.LBR and ASMLIB.LBR uploaded to SIMTEL20 H89 & Magnolia controller & soft sector??? MIX C patching Re: Help needed: Compupro 8/16 running concurrent cp/m Un-archiver utility for UNIX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 91 09:44:11 EST From: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (Dr Henry Brancik) Subject: BASPLOT.LBR and ASMLIB.LBR uploaded to SIMTEL20 Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Message-ID: <2147.w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2:<cpm.graphics> BASPLOT.LBR Regression and Spline functions plot in BASIC Given a set of experimental points the program will plot the points on either graphics screen or graphics plotter or will write all command lines into a data file. If required, the program will calculate regression coefficients (8 models) or spline functions coefficients (their first and second derivati- ves) and will plot these functions. Source code files (Microsoft BASCOM Com- piler v.5.3) can be easily modified to suit. Literature references are given where appropriate. pd2:<cpm.asmutl> ASMLIB.LBR Library of .ASM routines and utilities This is a collection of .asm routines which are compatible with Digital Research macro assembler, linker and librarian (RMAC, LINK, and LIB). The routines include miscelaneous functions (read and write clock, RAM tests, monitor, read analogue to digital channel, etc.), screen functions, character string functions, conversions, simple maths and numeric printing. Utilities for manipulation of binary files, reading and writing EPROMs (27.. series), and terminal setup utility. Henry Brancik, E-mail: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (UNIX system) S-nail: Univ. NSW, Sch. Fiber Sci. Technl., Kensington, NSW 2033, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 01:05:42 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!loop!dont@uunet.uu.net (Don Taylor;253-6853;;;loop) Subject: H89 & Magnolia controller & soft sector??? Message-ID: <1991Jul3.010542.17492@loop.uucp> Have a person with an H89 and a Magnolia disc controller. As far as he knows he has only used hard sectored disks. No manuals to be found, etc, etc, etc. It seems like I remember, back in the days when I had my 89 running, that the Magnolia would support soft sectored disks. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to pull a jumper or flip a dip switch and get the Magnolia to use soft sectored disks? It would be nice to see the old toad run a little while longer. Please reply by email if possible Thanks Don Taylor 503-235-6853 loop!dont@tessi.UUCP dont@loop.UUCP tessi!loop!dont@nosun.west.sun.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 91 19:36:53 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: MIX C patching Message-ID: <9107042336.AA29283@cwns2.INS.CWRU.Edu> Quoting Chong Lee............. >Has anyone patch Mix C (CP/M) to look for the overlay file (CC.OVY or C.OVY) >on a drive other than drive A:?. There are instructions in the read.me file >to patch CC.OVY itself to look for libraries and other stuff, but not CC.COM >to pick up the overlay file. > >PS. I have version 2.1.0 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Chong L. Lee rcocl@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au > ..!uunet!munnari.oz.au!rcocl@minyos.xx.rmit.oz >Communications and Electrical Dept. >Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology >Melbourne, Victoria 3000, Australia. End quote................ ******************************* Chong, I will forward your message to MIX Software and see if I can get an answer to your question. Since I have a working relationship with them I *may* (no guarantees) be able to find something out, even though they no longer actively support (or advertise) this product. Take care. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 11:46:10 GMT From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!vieta!tmg@uunet.uu.net (Tilman Mueller-Gerbes) Subject: Re: Help needed: Compupro 8/16 running concurrent cp/m Message-ID: <tmg.678627970@vieta.math.uni-sb.de> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: >If you have any more questions, gimme a call at (916) 344-5360 >and I'll try to help ya. So, we got some problems... :-) and i cannot call you cause my phone bill is already too high...(i am from germany, you guess?). We have an old 8086 computer here running CCPM/86 release 3.3 It was (probably manufactured :^) by a danish company (which i guess from the manual, which was not completely translated). Now to the questions: Does anybody know where one can get software/documentation for CCPM/86 I am especially interested in development tools (Assembler/C/what you like) Thnak in avdance Tilman P.S.: this beast got a 10MB hard drive, so it should be possible to do fancy things with it (maybe some kind of modem server or ... =:-) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 07:51:38 GMT From: mips!ptimtc!rdmei!icspub!astemgw!wnoc-tyo-news!kogwy!new1!roger@apple.com (Roger Meunier) Subject: Un-archiver utility for UNIX Message-ID: <ROGER.91Jul3165058@rd1s.zuken.co.jp> The subject line says it all. I downloaded SIMCPM.ARK to my UNIX system to see what's available from SIMTEL20, but now I can't un-archive it! Does anyone know where I can get an un-archive utility which I could run in a UNIX environment (C-code, etc.)? Or does someone know the archive format (which I could use to write my own utility)? Any help will be appreciated. -- Roger Meunier @ Zuken, Inc. Yokohama, Japan (roger@zuken.co.jp) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #121 ************************************* 8-Jul-91 22:23:52-MDT,17857;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 91 22:15:25 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #122 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910708221526.V91N122@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 8 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 122 Today's Topics: FOR SALE: Actrix DSDD CP/M SYSTEM Re: small c, assemblers, linkers (2 msgs) Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jul 91 13:27:38 GMT From: att!cbnewse!cwpjr@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (clyde.w.jr.phillips) Subject: FOR SALE: Actrix DSDD CP/M SYSTEM Message-ID: <1991Jul8.132738.17155@cbnewse.cb.att.com> $500 obo. 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Phillips Jr. FORTH plan Amiga Man Dead Fan Chicago Born GO BULLS!!!-# #-HILY RECOMMENDED CAROL LYNN PEARSON'S ONE WOMAN PLAY-MOTHER WOVE THE MORNING-# ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 07:31:29 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: small c, assemblers, linkers Message-ID: <1991Jul8.073129.22908@cs.rug.nl> In article <72293@yarra.pyramid.com.au> cm@yarra.pyramid.com.au (Charles Meo) writes: >I have obtained the small-c compiler from the simtel archive, but have >run into difficulties with documentation and related programs. For some >reason, the LBRs containing the small-c release do not contain any >documentation regarding the following: > >1. Handbook for the compiler I have something you might call a manual, but it was for the TRS-80/TRS-DOS version of small-c (waaaay back). There's not much manual you need I think. Small-c is just a stripped down C; no floats/doubles, strict old style K&R. Sorry, but I haven't got more recent info. >2. Where to get L80 and M80 This is the famous & fabulous Macro-80 Macro Assembler Last time I tried to get info about it (few years back) the importer for Microsoft in the Netherlands didn't now what it was. I'ld allmost publicly advise you to get a copy, but who knows how Microsoft would react... ;-) >3. How to use small-c with LASM and MLOAD instead (or any other combination >of assembler and loader). The only important thing is compatibility. Small-c produces M80 assembly. The library (did you get it in source?) is probably an L80 ".REL" file. >4. Whether any other CPM utilities are required, and where they are. Just an editor. >My objective is to port UZI (version 7) onto an Archives Model 3 just for the >hell of it. I would also like to investigate ZCPR3, but again it is hard to see >in the mass of stuff available a document describing exactly what is required >and what software/hardware prerequisites there are. UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). Greetings, Bert >Software Engineering: the pursuit of the infeasible by the unemployable. Gee, you mean I'm in the wrong business? :-) :-) :-) -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 03:18:15 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!yarra!cm@uunet.uu.net (Charles Meo) Subject: Re: small c, assemblers, linkers Message-ID: <72319@yarra.pyramid.com.au> In article <1991Jul8.073129.22908@cs.rug.nl> laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) writes: >>1. Handbook for the compiler >I have something you might call a manual, but it was for the TRS-80/TRS-DOS >version of small-c (waaaay back). There's not much manual you need I think. This is not so much of a problem. What is a problem (and see the next article in this group) is hardware/software prerequisites, what cpm support is needed, how to install it, what constitutes, in short, a fully-configured environment in which the thing has to run. For example, while smc211 outputs l80/m80 code, an earlier version (203) makes LASM/MLOAD code. However, it writes the assembler output on stdout and as far as I can tell there is no I/O redirection in CPM. And no way to specify an output file name for the compiler! This sort of hijinks by software makes life very difficult... >>2. Where to get L80 and M80 >This is the famous & fabulous Macro-80 Macro Assembler Last time I tried to >get info about it (few years back) the importer for Microsoft in the Netherlands >didn't now what it was. I'ld allmost publicly advise you to get a copy, but >who knows how Microsoft would react... ;-) Hello Bill? Any comments? Lets follow this up by mail 'with an expectation of privacy' :-) >>3. How to use small-c with LASM and MLOAD instead (or any other combination >>of assembler and loader). >The only important thing is compatibility. Small-c produces M80 assembly. >The library (did you get it in source?) is probably an L80 ".REL" file. The library source is there, but given the difficulties mentioned above I can't quite see what to do with it yet. Also, one would presumably need a library manager along the lines of Borland TLIB to make alternate libraries. >>4. Whether any other CPM utilities are required, and where they are. >Just an editor. See last point. How are relocateable libraries made under CPM? For different assembler/linker combinations? >UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe >somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). OK, so if anyone knows a better way to go, speak up! I am trying to do this with all PD/shareware software since one _cannot_ buy cpm software in this country any more (as far as I know), and in any case, it seems silly to actually spend _real money_ on this stuff! I've had a look at the ASMUTL stuff at wuarchive, does anyone know if any of these assembler/linker packages will replace L80/M80? And so on...I must be mad! Chuck ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 02:22:07 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!ichips!inews!cad412!dbraun@uunet.uu.net (Doug Braun ~) Subject: Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) Message-ID: <5048@inews.intel.com> In article <921@spam.ua.oz> dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au writes: >> >>>My objective is to port UZI (version 7) onto an Archives Model 3 just for the >>>hell of it. I would also like to investigate ZCPR3, but again it is hard to see >>>in the mass of stuff available a document describing exactly what is required >>>and what software/hardware prerequisites there are. >>UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe >>somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). >> > >I've seen UZI mentioned a lot in this group, but I've never >seen anything that really indicates what it is. >So, what is it ? >What sort of CP/M machine does it require ? Hard disk, 1 or 2 floppies ? >56/128 k RAM ? > Well, here is my standard UZI plug, from about a year ago. It mentions the compiler I used. Note that I am very close to releasing UZI-280, which is ten times cooler than UZI, assuming you have a Z280 computer. UZI is presumably still on SIMTEL20, and probably other places as well. UZI: UNIX Z-80 IMPLEMENTATION Written by Douglas Braun Introduction: UZI is an implementation of the Unix kernel written for a Z-80 based computer. It implementts almost all of the functionality of the 7th Edition Unix kernel. UZI was written to run on one specific collection of custom-built hardware, but since it can easily have device drivers added to it, and it does not use any memory management hardware, it should be possible to port it to numerous computers that current use the CP/M operating system. The source code is written mostly in C, and was compiled with The Code Works' Q/C compiler. UZI's code was written from scratch, and contains no AT&T code, so it is not subject to any of AT&T's copyright or licensing restrictions. Numerous 7th Edition programs have been ported to UZI with little or no difficulty, including the complete Bourne shell, ed, sed, dc, cpp, etc. How it works: Since there is no standard memory management hardware on 8080-family computers, UZI uses "total swapping" to achieve multiprocessing. This has two implications: First, UZI requires a reasonably fast hard disk. Second, there is no point in running a different process while a process is waiting for disk I/O. This simplifies the design of the block device drivers, since they do not have to be interrupt-based. UZI itself occupies the upper 32K of memory, and the currently running process occupies the lower 32K. Since UZI currently barely fits in 32K, a full 64K of RAM is necessary. UZI does need some additional hardware support. First, there must be some sort of clock or timer that can provide a periodic interrupt. Also, the current implementation uses an additional real-time clock to get the time for file timestamps, etc. The current TTY driver assumes an interrupt-driven keyboard, which should exist on most systems. The distribution contains code for hard and floppy disk drivers, but since these were written for custom hardware, they are provided only as templates to write new ones. How UZI is different than real Unix: UZI implements almost all of the 7th Edition functionality. All file I/O, directories, mountable file systems, user and group IDs, pipes, and applicable device I/O are supported. Process control (fork(), execve(), signal(), kill(), pause(), alarm(), and wait()) are fully supported. The number of processes is limited only by the swap space available. As mentioned above, UZI implements Unix well enough to run the Bourne shell in its full functionality. The only changes made to the shell's source code were to satisfy the limitations of the C compiler. Here is a (possibly incomplete) list of missing features and limitations: The debugger- and profiler-related system calls do not exist. The old 6th edition seek() was implemented, instead of lseek(). The supplied TTY driver is bare-bones. It supports only one port, and most IOCTLs are not supported. Inode numbers are only 16-bit, so filesystems are 32 Meg or less. File dates are not in the standard format. Instead they look like those used by MS-DOS. The 4.2BSD execve() was implemented. Additional flavors of exec() are supported by the library. The format of the device driver switch table is unlike that of the 7th Edition. The necessary semaphores and locking mechanisms to implement reentrant disk I/O are not there. This would make it harder to implement interrupt-driven disk I/O without busy-waiting. A Description of this Release: Here is a list of the files supplied, and a brief description of each: intro: What you are reading config.h: Setup parameters, such as table sizes, and the device driver switch table. unix.h: All strcuture declarations, typedefs and defines. (Includes things like errno.h). extern.h: Declarations of all global variables and tables. data.c: Dummy to source extern.h and devine globals. dispatch.c: System call dispatch table. scall1.c: System calls, mostly file-related. scall2.c: Rest of system calls. filesys.c: Routines for managing file system. process.c: Routines for process management and context switching. Somewhat machine-dependent. devio.c: Generic I/O routines, including queue routines. devtty.c: Simple TTY driver, slightly-machine dependent. devwd.c: Hard disk driver. Very machine-dependent. devflop.c: Floppy disk driver. Very machine-dependent. devmisc.c: Simple device drivers, such as /dev/mem. machdep.c: Machine-dependent code, especially real-time-clock and interrupt handling code. extras.c: Procedures missing from the Q/C compiler's library. filler.mac: Dummy to make linker load UZI at correct address. makeunix.sub: CP/M SUBMIT file to compile everything. loadunix.sub: CP/M SUBMIT file to load everything. Miscellaneous Notes: UZI was compiled with the Code Works Q/C C compiler and the Microsoft M80 assembler under the CP/M operating system, on the same hardware it runs on. Also used was a version of cpp ported to CP/M, since the Q/C compiler does not handle macros with arguments. However, there are only a couple of these in the code, and they could easily be removed. Because UZI occupies the upper 32K of memory, the standard L80 linker could not be used to link it. Instead, a homebrew L80 replacement linker was used. This generated a 64K-byte CP/M .COM file, which has the lower 32K pruned by the CP/M PIP utility. This is the reason for appearance of the string "MOMBASSA" in filler.mac and loadunix.sub. To boot UZI, a short CP/M program was run that reads in the UZI image, copies it to the upper 32K of memory, and jumps to its start address. Other CP/M programs were written to build, inspect, and check UZI filesystems under CP/M. These made it possible to have a root file system made before starting up UZI. If the demand exists, these programs can be included in another release. Running programs under UZI: A number of 7th Edition, System V, and 4.2BSD programs were ported to UZI. Most notably, the Bourne shell and ed run fine under UZI. In addition the 4.2BSD stdio library was also ported. This, along with the Code Works Q/C library and miscellaneous System V library functions, was used when porting programs. Due to obvious legal reasons, the source or executables for most of these programs cannot be released. However, some kernel-dependent programs such as ps and fsck were written from scratch and can be included in future releases. Also, a package was created that can be linked to CP/M .COM files that will allow them to run under UZI. This was used to get the M80 assembler and L80 linker to run under UZI. Cpp was also ported to UZI. However, it was not possible to fit the Q/C compiler into 32K, so all programs (and UZI itself) were cross-compiled under CP/M. The Minix operating system, written for PCs by Andrew Tanenbaum et al, contains many programs that should compile and run under UZI. Since Minix is much less encumbered by licensing provisions than real Unix, it would make sense to port Minix programs to UZI. In fact, UZI itself could be ported to the PC, and used as a replacement for the Minix kernel. Doug Braun Intel Design Technology 408 765-4279 dbraun@scdt.intel.com or maybe: / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev6!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 13:17:21 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!spam!dcook@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (David Cook) Subject: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) Message-ID: <921@spam.ua.oz> > >>4. Whether any other CPM utilities are required, and where they are. >Just an editor. Can anyone recommend a small but useful editor ? I've been using Turbo Pascal as an editor, but I feel it's overkill for short programs/files (note: I don't want line editors, eg ED, just screen editors. Multiple files would be a bonus :) > >>My objective is to port UZI (version 7) onto an Archives Model 3 just for the >>hell of it. I would also like to investigate ZCPR3, but again it is hard to see >>in the mass of stuff available a document describing exactly what is required >>and what software/hardware prerequisites there are. >UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe >somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). > I've seen UZI mentioned a lot in this group, but I've never seen anything that really indicates what it is. So, what is it ? What sort of CP/M machine does it require ? Hard disk, 1 or 2 floppies ? 56/128 k RAM ? Also, can anyone answer the same questions for ZCPR3.3 ...I know it's a replacement for the CCP, but I looked in the ZCPR3.3 directory on wuarchivel.wustl.edu - there are a _lot_ of files there ... what are they all ? are they all needed ? Will they run on any CP/M machine, do they depend on being patched for each particular machine ?? <whew> Well, that's all (for now) It might be best to e-mail replies to dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au, and if anyone else is as ignorant about CP/M as me ( :-), I'll summarize. (the amazing thing is, I've been in an information vacuum w.r.t. CP/M for 6 years now ! Especially in hearing about latest developments) David T Cook | e-mail: dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au | Phone: +61 8 228 5709 Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths LMG, Adelaide Uni "The wonderful thing about USENET is that anyone can express their opinion." "The worrying thing is that they _do_." | Free Tibet ! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #122 ************************************* 9-Jul-91 18:22:17-MDT,11858;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 91 18:15:13 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #123 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910709181514.V91N123@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 9 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 123 Today's Topics: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jul 91 02:53:59 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (What a Guy!) Subject: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Message-ID: <16522.2878595f@levels.unisa.edu.au> In article <R3gB51w163w@dorsai.com>, sirknigh@dorsai.com (gawain) writes: > specifically one that repaginate, for cp/m? I would also like to > know if there is an off-line reader for cp/m. I'm new-ish to these > PCboard and Unix BBSs. Do you really need a separate off-line > reader for every BBS program? Thanks to one and all. Well, the one I know of is called CRR0110.ZIP. I can .uue it to you if you can undo that. It allows you to use XRS mailers a.k.a. a few other names as well. A fellow in the UK has written it; actually, IS writing it. has gone thru 3 revs from CRR0030 since last October... Let us know if you want it. I post this so others can see if they want to try it too... BTW it is a memory hog. I have to strip out my HD RSX so it can run. See ya... Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 05:54:11 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) Message-ID: <1991Jul8.235411.48341@cc.usu.edu> In article <921@spam.ua.oz>, dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes: > Can anyone recommend a small but useful editor ? > I've been using Turbo Pascal as an editor, but I feel it's overkill > for short programs/files (note: I don't want line editors, eg ED, > just screen editors. Multiple files would be a bonus :) Well, I uploaded Portable WordStar to my DECmate II and hacked it over to run there. It's a reasonabl WordStar implementation in 32K. Roger Ivie slsw2@cc.usu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 22:20:29 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!ichips!inews!cad412!dbraun@uunet.uu.net (Doug Braun ~) Subject: Re: UZI and ZCPR (was Re: small c, assemblers, linkers ) Message-ID: <5054@inews.intel.com> (This may be a duplicate posting. If you got this yesterday, could you let me know?) In article <921@spam.ua.oz> dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au writes: >> >>>My objective is to port UZI (version 7) onto an Archives Model 3 just for the >>>hell of it. I would also like to investigate ZCPR3, but again it is hard to see >>>in the mass of stuff available a document describing exactly what is required >>>and what software/hardware prerequisites there are. >>UZI was written for a fairly complete compiler. I forgot, sorry. Maybe >>somebody else knows more (the author of UZI? ;-)). >> > >I've seen UZI mentioned a lot in this group, but I've never >seen anything that really indicates what it is. >So, what is it ? >What sort of CP/M machine does it require ? Hard disk, 1 or 2 floppies ? >56/128 k RAM ? > Well, here is my standard UZI plug, from about a year ago. It mentions the compiler I used. Note that I am very close to releasing UZI-280, which is ten times cooler than UZI, assuming you have a Z280 computer. UZI is presumably still on SIMTEL20, and probably other places as well. UZI: UNIX Z-80 IMPLEMENTATION Written by Douglas Braun Introduction: UZI is an implementation of the Unix kernel written for a Z-80 based computer. It implementts almost all of the functionality of the 7th Edition Unix kernel. UZI was written to run on one specific collection of custom-built hardware, but since it can easily have device drivers added to it, and it does not use any memory management hardware, it should be possible to port it to numerous computers that current use the CP/M operating system. The source code is written mostly in C, and was compiled with The Code Works' Q/C compiler. UZI's code was written from scratch, and contains no AT&T code, so it is not subject to any of AT&T's copyright or licensing restrictions. Numerous 7th Edition programs have been ported to UZI with little or no difficulty, including the complete Bourne shell, ed, sed, dc, cpp, etc. How it works: Since there is no standard memory management hardware on 8080-family computers, UZI uses "total swapping" to achieve multiprocessing. This has two implications: First, UZI requires a reasonably fast hard disk. Second, there is no point in running a different process while a process is waiting for disk I/O. This simplifies the design of the block device drivers, since they do not have to be interrupt-based. UZI itself occupies the upper 32K of memory, and the currently running process occupies the lower 32K. Since UZI currently barely fits in 32K, a full 64K of RAM is necessary. UZI does need some additional hardware support. First, there must be some sort of clock or timer that can provide a periodic interrupt. Also, the current implementation uses an additional real-time clock to get the time for file timestamps, etc. The current TTY driver assumes an interrupt-driven keyboard, which should exist on most systems. The distribution contains code for hard and floppy disk drivers, but since these were written for custom hardware, they are provided only as templates to write new ones. How UZI is different than real Unix: UZI implements almost all of the 7th Edition functionality. All file I/O, directories, mountable file systems, user and group IDs, pipes, and applicable device I/O are supported. Process control (fork(), execve(), signal(), kill(), pause(), alarm(), and wait()) are fully supported. The number of processes is limited only by the swap space available. As mentioned above, UZI implements Unix well enough to run the Bourne shell in its full functionality. The only changes made to the shell's source code were to satisfy the limitations of the C compiler. Here is a (possibly incomplete) list of missing features and limitations: The debugger- and profiler-related system calls do not exist. The old 6th edition seek() was implemented, instead of lseek(). The supplied TTY driver is bare-bones. It supports only one port, and most IOCTLs are not supported. Inode numbers are only 16-bit, so filesystems are 32 Meg or less. File dates are not in the standard format. Instead they look like those used by MS-DOS. The 4.2BSD execve() was implemented. Additional flavors of exec() are supported by the library. The format of the device driver switch table is unlike that of the 7th Edition. The necessary semaphores and locking mechanisms to implement reentrant disk I/O are not there. This would make it harder to implement interrupt-driven disk I/O without busy-waiting. A Description of this Release: Here is a list of the files supplied, and a brief description of each: intro: What you are reading config.h: Setup parameters, such as table sizes, and the device driver switch table. unix.h: All strcuture declarations, typedefs and defines. (Includes things like errno.h). extern.h: Declarations of all global variables and tables. data.c: Dummy to source extern.h and devine globals. dispatch.c: System call dispatch table. scall1.c: System calls, mostly file-related. scall2.c: Rest of system calls. filesys.c: Routines for managing file system. process.c: Routines for process management and context switching. Somewhat machine-dependent. devio.c: Generic I/O routines, including queue routines. devtty.c: Simple TTY driver, slightly-machine dependent. devwd.c: Hard disk driver. Very machine-dependent. devflop.c: Floppy disk driver. Very machine-dependent. devmisc.c: Simple device drivers, such as /dev/mem. machdep.c: Machine-dependent code, especially real-time-clock and interrupt handling code. extras.c: Procedures missing from the Q/C compiler's library. filler.mac: Dummy to make linker load UZI at correct address. makeunix.sub: CP/M SUBMIT file to compile everything. loadunix.sub: CP/M SUBMIT file to load everything. Miscellaneous Notes: UZI was compiled with the Code Works Q/C C compiler and the Microsoft M80 assembler under the CP/M operating system, on the same hardware it runs on. Also used was a version of cpp ported to CP/M, since the Q/C compiler does not handle macros with arguments. However, there are only a couple of these in the code, and they could easily be removed. Because UZI occupies the upper 32K of memory, the standard L80 linker could not be used to link it. Instead, a homebrew L80 replacement linker was used. This generated a 64K-byte CP/M .COM file, which has the lower 32K pruned by the CP/M PIP utility. This is the reason for appearance of the string "MOMBASSA" in filler.mac and loadunix.sub. To boot UZI, a short CP/M program was run that reads in the UZI image, copies it to the upper 32K of memory, and jumps to its start address. Other CP/M programs were written to build, inspect, and check UZI filesystems under CP/M. These made it possible to have a root file system made before starting up UZI. If the demand exists, these programs can be included in another release. Running programs under UZI: A number of 7th Edition, System V, and 4.2BSD programs were ported to UZI. Most notably, the Bourne shell and ed run fine under UZI. In addition the 4.2BSD stdio library was also ported. This, along with the Code Works Q/C library and miscellaneous System V library functions, was used when porting programs. Due to obvious legal reasons, the source or executables for most of these programs cannot be released. However, some kernel-dependent programs such as ps and fsck were written from scratch and can be included in future releases. Also, a package was created that can be linked to CP/M .COM files that will allow them to run under UZI. This was used to get the M80 assembler and L80 linker to run under UZI. Cpp was also ported to UZI. However, it was not possible to fit the Q/C compiler into 32K, so all programs (and UZI itself) were cross-compiled under CP/M. The Minix operating system, written for PCs by Andrew Tanenbaum et al, contains many programs that should compile and run under UZI. Since Minix is much less encumbered by licensing provisions than real Unix, it would make sense to port Minix programs to UZI. In fact, UZI itself could be ported to the PC, and used as a replacement for the Minix kernel. Doug Braun Intel Design Technology 408 765-4279 dbraun@scdt.intel.com or maybe: / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev6!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / Doug Braun Intel Design Technology 408 765-4279 dbraun@scdt.intel.com or maybe: / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev6!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #123 ************************************* 12-Jul-91 23:30:16-MDT,9051;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 12-Jul-91 23:26:30 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 23:26:29 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #124 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910712232630.V91N124@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 12 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 124 Today's Topics: CPM compiler survey, please read & reply Found! (Was: Un-archiver utility for UNIX) I/O redirection in Small C 2.03 Need help with IMS box Re: Source for .?Y? Small editor ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Jul 91 08:10:14 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: CPM compiler survey, please read & reply Message-ID: <1991Jul12.081014.25381@cs.rug.nl> Dear all, Now and again the question of available CP/M compilers pops up. Lately this keeps centering around C compilers and Macro assemblers, but I think it would be nice to get a more general overview. Now I'm strictly CP/M-80 (2.2/3) myself, but I suppose we've got an audience with also CP/M-68k and CP/M-86 users. Undoubtebly the latter versions have more coplete implementations, but let's see anyway. Some compilers I can drag from memory: C: Small-c, BDS-C Pascal: Turbo-Pascal v3, Pascal/MT+ BASIC: MBASIC (interpreter), CBASIC Assembly: M80, ASM (CP/M 1/2 standard), MAC/RMAC (CP/M 3 standard) Modula-2 (by rumor) Ada (sounds like a nightmare, but anyway) PL/M (never seen one, but the BDOS interface (parameters in BC/DE) is based on a PL/M convention) I would like to collect information about any compiler you can think of that runs on CP/M machines, and I'll summarize the results. Preferably I'ld like to get entries as this one: Language: C Compiler name: BDS-C version ??, Copyright holder: BD Software Status: sold???, last checked: 198?, where: computer shop Remarks: No floating point, K&R Minimal system: CP/M-80, 48k, floppy. Especially the status of a package will be interesting. I doubt if many shops still sell CP/M software, and the big question is: `how far can we go?' Please mail your answers to me (laverman@cs.rug.nl). I'll let it collect for maybe two weeks, and then compile a list. Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 91 05:30:50 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!kogwy!new1!roger@ucsd.edu (Roger Meunier) Subject: Found! (Was: Un-archiver utility for UNIX) Message-ID: <ROGER.91Jul10142849@rc40.zuken.co.jp> In article <ROGER.91Jul3165058@rd1s.zuken.co.jp> I wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get an un-archive utility which I > could run in a UNIX environment (C-code, etc.)? Thanks to Michael (mds@iddth2.id.dk) for pointing me to ARCSRC.TAR-Z under PD2:<UNIX-C.ARC-PROGS> at SIMTEL20. That did the trick. Thanks to all the others, too, who offered help via e-mail. -- Roger Meunier @ Zuken, Inc. Yokohama, Japan (roger@zuken.co.jp) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 10:39 CST From: TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU Subject: I/O redirection in Small C 2.03 Message-ID: <49D51B66DCDF40103D@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Hello, Charles Meo write [edited]: >Date: 9 Jul 91 03:18:15 GMT >From: munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!yarra!cm@uunet.uu.net (Charles Meo) >Subject: Re: small c, assemblers, linkers >Message-ID: <72319@yarra.pyramid.com.au> > >For example, while smc211 outputs l80/m80 code, an earlier version (203) >makes LASM/MLOAD code. However, it writes the assembler output on stdout >and as far as I can tell there is no I/O redirection in CPM. And no way to >specify an output file name for the compiler! I have been using version 2.03 of Small C from Simtel20 for some time now with no difficulties. Contrary to the above extract, the compiler does support I/O redirection, in compiling and when running programs generated by the compiler. I use the LASM version of the compiler. Using the link directive, the need to copy the iolib.asm and call.asm files to the end of the compiler output is unnecessary. I also have a doc file for the compiler that is not part of smc203.ark. Redirection of i/o in Small C works as shown in the K+R book: A>cc80a program.c >program.asm would compile program.c to program.asm. A>program <input.txt >output.txt would run program.com created by Small C and LASM, with input taken from file input.txt and output sent to file output.txt. If you are interested in discussing Small C, please let me know. Regards, Lance Tagliapietra ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 91 14:44:17 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!spin@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Marvin Spinhirne) Subject: Need help with IMS box Message-ID: <1991Jul10.144417.2625@convex.com> I have an IMS (Industrial Micro Systems) Series 5000 CPM system, which has a model A820 winchester disk controller and Seagate 10Mbyte 5 1/4" drives. Unfortunately, the EPROM on the disk controller appears to have gone bad (the EPROM is what configures the board as either an 8" or 5 1/4" controller). I would like to find someone out there who can get me a copy of the EPROM, a hex dump of it, or at least some information on how to generate a new one. Any information at all would be greatly appreciated (including if IMS is still in business, and if so where at). In addition, my only copy of PLINK-II from Phoenix Software Associates for this same beast has gotten corrupted, and I would really like to replace it if possible. Anyone have any information on this company, or where I might obtain a copy? Marvin Spinhirne spin@convex.com {sun,texsun,uunet}!convex!spin work #214-497-4425 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 91 13:42:08 GMT From: uupsi!sunic!dkuug!diku!ankh@rice.edu (Klaus Ambrass) Subject: Re: Source for .?Y? Message-ID: <1991Jul10.134208.14565@odin.diku.dk> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes: >ankh@diku..dk (Klaus Ambrass) answered a request for the source code for >a program to generate ?Y? (LZH) compressed files was in C. Roger Warren >in San Diego coded CRLZH12.LBR in assembler, which will both compress and >extract LZH to/from ?Y? files. He did not include the source code as he >did not feel he was done with his work (or so he stated to me). I wasn't aware that there existed any LZH-cruncher in CP/M (now I am). And where please can I get a copy of CRLZH12.LBR? Site addr, mail addr, anything? Many thanx in advance. >I believe Roger is soon to release an update, possibly by the end of the >summer. Am hopeful he will release the source code at that time. Yes, hopefully. >Meanwhile, since it is not in a high level language, you could >disassemble. On the other hand, I would suspect not many would understand >what is going on in there! :-) You can say that again. I've been looking into it a bit and found a lot of incomprehensible (sp?) stuff. Mind you, that the process of compacting data was explained to me twice and it sounded sooooo easy, but that, when faced with the actual code, I'd have to give up. I simply couldn't remember a thing, and so far I haven't had any luck in finding any literature on it <Klaus> -- <Klaus-never-stop-posting-to-alt.fan.monty-python> | This is also me: | +-------------------------------------------------------+ ankh@freja.diku.dk | | The only person who changes quotest while you read. | locked away at: | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Some U in Copenhagen| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 04:33:22 EDT From: Steve_Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: Small editor Message-ID: <9318176@ub.cc.umich.edu> In answer to a question from someone looking for a small handy editor, I use something called VDE which takes up 10k of disk space (very nice) and has WS-like commands, but produces regular ascii files, with cr's if you set a right margin for auto-wrap. It's not perfect, but it's very nice especially for editing small command files and the like. By the way, if any of you know where docs are, let me know. There are a few things I haven't been able to figure out, such as what the printing options are, and how to use the split window function. --Steve Graham: sg2@ub.cc.umich.edu USERHEFX@UMICHUB.BITNET graham@m-net.uucp ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #124 ************************************* 16-Jul-91 02:26:36-MDT,8815;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 16-Jul-91 02:21:07 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 91 02:21:06 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #125 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910716022107.V91N125@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 16 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 125 Today's Topics: Info needed on .LBR file format Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Re: Small editor (2 msgs) rz/sz (Zmodem) for Unix and VAX/VMS updated on SIMTEL20 ZMP overlay for Televideo TS803 ZOO version 2.10 for Unix, VAX/VMS, etc. now available on SIMTEL20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Jul 91 19:03:07 GMT From: rti!mozart!sasrer@mcnc.org (Rodney Radford) Subject: Info needed on .LBR file format Message-ID: <1991Jul15.190307.17707@unx.sas.com> I have an .LBR file of a PD FORTH (F83), that I would need to read, but I do not have an .LBR file reader. I am not normally a CPM'er, but I do have access to several Z80 systems I would like to put the FORTH on (there is some source in the file I am told). The problem is that I do not know how to read the file.... Any documentation on the file format, or perhaps a reader (written in C, Pascal, Fortran, or someother high level language available on my Unix workstation) is available. Please help, since I need the FORTH source for a project that is already over-due (local area robotics contest). BTW: If anyone has source to a PD Z80 FORTH system that they could email me, please let me know.... -- Rodney Radford || Computer Graphics/Imaging sasrer@unx.sas.com || SAS Institute, Inc. (919) 677-8000 x7703 || Cary, NC 27513 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 91 00:22:36 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Message-ID: <XX00000157@nowster.UUCP> In message <16522.2878595f@levels.unisa.edu.au> etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au wrote: >> specifically one that repaginate, for cp/m? I would also like to >> know if there is an off-line reader for cp/m. I'm new-ish to these >> PCboard and Unix BBSs. Do you really need a separate off-line >> reader for every BBS program? Thanks to one and all. > Well, the one I know of is called CRR0110.ZIP. I can .uue it to you > if you can undo that. It allows you to use XRS mailers a.k.a. a few > other names as well. A fellow in the UK has written it; actually, IS > writing it. has gone thru 3 revs from CRR0030 since last October... CRR works with XRS-Door (was RAX/QMX/etc.). CRR is on SIMTEL if anyone is interested <CPM.BBS>. Yes, CRR is still being developed. It was started in Easter 1990, and there's a group of CPM users on the local bulletin board who won't let me stop tweaking it. > BTW it is a memory hog. I have to strip out my HD RSX so it can run. Yes, it needs 42K. I've tried as hard as I can to keep the requirements down (overlays), and the distribution versions have only 4K of space for the Turbo Pascal heap... It's shareware. (Only 7 registrations in the whole year it's been released 8-( ). Bug reports, suggestions, (dare I say it) registrations welcomed. -- Paul Martin pm.nowster@tharr.uucp ..!uunet!ukc!tharr!pm.nowster ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 91 01:20:52 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <HL2Z52w164w@gnat.rent.com> Steve_Graham@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU writes: > By the way, if any of you know where docs are, let me know. There are a few > things I haven't been able to figure out, such as what the printing options > are, and how to use the split window function. I have the full LBR for VDE version 2.66 on my Z-Node in central New Jersey. You can connect at (908) 754-9067 or through PCP (NJNBR) or Starlink (3319) at up to 2400 bps. Also have ZDE, which is VDE updated for Z-System. Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 21:02:19 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <kmPZ52w164w@ijpc.UUCP> Steve_Graham@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU writes: > In answer to a question from someone looking for a small handy editor, I use > something called VDE which takes up 10k of disk space (very nice) and has > WS-like commands, but produces regular ascii files, with cr's if you set a > right margin for auto-wrap. It's not perfect, but it's very nice especially > for editing small command files and the like. You'd be better off using ZDE which is more up-to-date than VDE (the author of VDE doesn't support CP/M anymore) and is ZCPR3 compatible. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1991 15:51 MDT From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Subject: rz/sz (Zmodem) for Unix and VAX/VMS updated on SIMTEL20 Keywords: modem,xmodem,ymodem,zmodem,unix,vax,vms,omen,forsberg Summary: SIMTEL20 gets the files directly from Chuck Forsberg Message-ID: <W8SDZ.12701639880.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> The July 1991 version of Chuck Forsberg's rz/sz for Unix and VAX/VMS is available from WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL [192.88.110.20] or mirror site wuarchive.wustl.edu. Directory: PD8:<MISC.UNIX> File name: RZSZ9107.TAR-Z Function: X/Y/Zmodem for many flavors of Unix File type: Compressed tar archive Rename to rzsz.tar.Z after transferring with FTP in TENEX mode, uncompress and then extract with command: tar xfv rzsz.tar This file is also available as RZSZ9107.ZIP for those who have UNZIP working on Unix. Directory: PD8:<MISC.VAXVMS> File name: RZSZ9107.TLB Function: X/Y/Zmodem for VAX/VMS File type: VMS Text LIBrary RZSZ9107.TLB is a VMS Text LiBrary which contains Omen Technology's ZMODEM-90(Tm) file transfer RZ and SZ programs, compiled to run on the DEC VAX/VMS operating system. The programs support 4 popular VMS record formats and feature Crash Recovery, wild card expansion, and MobyTurbo(Tm), compression. For dial-in use only with Omen products DSZ, ZCOMM, or Professional-YAM. IMPORTANT!!: If uploading with VMS Kermit use: SET FILE TYPE FIXED. To extract: $ LIB/EXTRACT=EXTRACT_TLB^COM/OUTPUT=EXTRACT_TLB.COM rzsz9107.tlb $ @EXTRACT_TLB rzsz9107 Questions about rz/sz should be directed to: caf%omen.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Forsberg) Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 91 23:32:44 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: ZMP overlay for Televideo TS803 Message-ID: <XX0000015c@nowster.UUCP> Anyone got one that works? -- pm.nowster@tharr.UUCP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1991 01:26 MDT From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Subject: ZOO version 2.10 for Unix, VAX/VMS, etc. now available on SIMTEL20 Message-ID: <W8SDZ.12701744445.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Rahul Dhesi's Zoo archiver, zoo 2.10, for Unix, VAX/VMS, and other operating systems is now available from SIMTEL20. Directory: PD8:<MISC.UNIX> File name: ZOO210.TAR-Z Function: Make/extract/view ZOO archives File type: Compressed tar archive Rename to zoo.tar.Z after transferring with FTP in TENEX mode, uncompress and then extract with command: tar xfv zoo.tar Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #125 ************************************* 17-Jul-91 11:26:39-MDT,10704;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:15:10 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #126 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910717111511.V91N126@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 17 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 126 Today's Topics: How to upload files to SIMTEL20 Looking for Kaypro 4 software New uploads on SIMTEL20 Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) System disk needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 10:54 MDT From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Subject: How to upload files to SIMTEL20 Message-ID: <W8SDZ.12702110105.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> I have received many inquiries about why SIMTEL20 does not publish instructions for uploading files for those who wish to submit their programs. The reason is that we prefer to coordinate uploads by having contributors contact us first so we can check to make sure the program is not already in the repository. File uploads are accepted via FTP using a special uploading account, or via e-mail using a special mailbox which does not interfere with regular correspondence. If you have a program to upload please send e-mail to me with a short description of the files you wish to submit. Please do *not* send files to my mailbox. Because of local management policy, SIMTEL20 does not accept games for submission to the archives unless they are strictly educational. Thanks to all those who are actively supporting the respository by helping us keep up to date with the latest programs. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 91 00:38:20 GMT From: taco!eos.ncsu.edu!dowalker@lll-winken.llnl.gov (DAVID OGLESBY WALKER) Subject: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <1991Jul17.003820.7010@ncsu.edu> Hello, I own an old Kaypro 4, still running CP/M 2.2, and am looking to find two things: One: a ZModem up/download program and an uncompresser for *.?Z? files (like FILENAME.CZM) . Simtel-20 doesn't recognize me, and won't let me in. Also, does anyone still sell the graphics chips for the old (pre-'84) Kaypro IIs and 4s, I'd kind of like to be able to do VT-100 codes with my Kaypro, so that I don't have to scrounge for adm3a or vt52 codes for my sysops. David ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 91 23:25:05 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!metro!usage.csd.unsw.oz.au!henryb@uunet.uu.net (Dr Henry Brancik) Subject: New uploads on SIMTEL20 Message-ID: <1946@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au> I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd2:<cpm.graphics> BASPLOT.LBR Regression and Spline functions plot in BASIC Given a set of experimental points the program will plot the points on either graphics screen or graphics plotter or will write all command lines into a data file. If required, the program will calculate regression coefficients (8 models) or spline functions coefficients (their first and second derivati- ves) and will plot these functions. Source code files (Microsoft BASCOM Com- piler v.5.3) can be easily modified to suit. Literature references are given where appropriate. pd2:<cpm.asmutl> ASMLIB.LBR Library of .ASM routines and utilities This is a collection of .asm routines which are compatible with Digital Research macro assembler, linker and librarian (RMAC, LINK, and LIB). The routines include miscelaneous functions (read and write clock, RAM tests, monitor, read analogue to digital channel, etc.), screen functions, character string functions, conversions, simple maths and numeric printing. Utilities for manipulation of binary files, reading and writing EPROMs (27.. series), and terminal setup utility. The following is a message from the ASMLIB.LBR author: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date : 08/05/1991 From : Richard C Holmes. C/O SME Systems 22 Queen Street Mitcham Vic. 3132 Australia Phn +(61) (03) 874-3666 BBS +(61) (03) 873-5204 To Whom It May Concern (CP/M users) The following 5 programs are hereby placed into the public domain for free usage with the sole restriction that the authors name, Richard C Holmes, and company copyright messages are not changed. In other words, we wrote the programs and are happy to anyone who wants to use them to do so as long as we are remembered! There shall be no fee charged for this software by any third party or company or department. This software is free to the end user. ASMLIB A source library of assembler routines put together to assist in writing programs in 8080 and TDL version Z80 assembler. Assemble with RMAC or uss the source for your own reasons. The main reason (for me) for writing this library was to provide a configurable set of screen driver codes (ie cursor address, half intensity etc etc). This was done by putting a key-code at the start of the table of attribute codes which another program searches for and patches directly. So, you can patch programs written with ASMLIB to suit most terminals. Other functions in the library such as a simple time delay, CRC generator, cursor addressing and message printing make ASMLIB cute and simple to use. FP A screen oriented file patcher. Does a neat job of patching in ascii or hex and has a host of options etc. PROM150 A premium program for programming EPROMS on SME Systems (bet you never heard of us!) or S.D. Systems Prom100 cards. If you are this far into eprom programming then you should be able to figure out that for the 2764 and bigger eproms you need an adaptor. Contact me for a circuit diagram etc. SETUP A program that directly patches (wow!) the screen driver codes in .COM files that use the ASMLIB program. This program should be accompanied by a (small?) data base of available screen setup codes which can be edited and added to etc. TATT A program to TEST setup and ASMLIB screen drivers. PS. If anyone out there is doing development work on a CP/M system for the '64180 chip and uses RMAC then I have my own source for another library of functions including interrupt redirection etc. This is intended for embedded systems only. ------End of message------------------------------------------------------ Henry Brancik, E-mail: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (UNIX system) S-nail: Univ. NSW, Sch. Fiber Sci. Technl., Kensington, NSW 2033, Australia. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 13:43:56 GMT From: maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!uafhp!acrosby@rutgers.edu (Albert Crosby) Subject: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Message-ID: <6838@uafhp.uark.edu> In article <16522.2878595f@levels.unisa.edu.au>, etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au (What a Guy!) writes: > Well, the one I know of is called CRR0110.ZIP. I can .uue it to you > if you can undo that. It allows you to use XRS mailers a.k.a. a few > other names as well. A fellow in the UK has written it; actually, IS > writing it. has gone thru 3 revs from CRR0030 since last October... How about posting it to SIMTEL20 (if that'd be OK with the author) so we can all check it out/enjoy it/use it? Keith Peterson is still the moderator, and he still follows this group. You can also find instructions on how to post to SIMTEL20 in the (ack) comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives group. Albert ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 91 23:25:02 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: System disk needed Message-ID: <1991Jul16.232502.18814@baron.uucp> ================================================================== || || || || || WW WW AAAAAA NN NN TTTTTTTT EEEEEEEE DDDDDDD || || WW WW AA AA NNN NN TT EE DD DD || || WW WW AA AA NNNN NN TT EE DD DD || || WW WW WW AAAAAAAA NN NN NN TT EEEEEEE DD DD || || WWWWWWWW AA AA NN NNNN TT EE DD DD || || WWW WWW AA AA NN NNN TT EE DD DD || || WW WW AA AA NN NN TT EEEEEEEE DDDDDDD || || || || ------------------------------------------------- || || || || CP/M 2.2 SYSTEM DISK || || || || FOR || || || || BMC INTERNATIONAL || || MODEL IF80120 || || || || || ================================================================== This is the machine with monitor and drives elevated above the combined printer and keyboard. It uses two 5.25" DSDD floppy drives. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #126 ************************************* 19-Jul-91 00:32:23-MDT,8523;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:24:44 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #127 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910719002445.V91N127@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 19 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 127 Today's Topics: Looking for an old Flight Simpulator Re: Apple II CP/M, also UUCP Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software (4 msgs) Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Jul 91 13:50:27 GMT From: taco!eos.ncsu.edu!dowalker@lll-winken.llnl.gov (DAVID OGLESBY WALKER) Subject: Looking for an old Flight Simpulator Message-ID: <1991Jul18.135027.29471@ncsu.edu> I used to have a copy of a Kapyro flight simulator program. It was basically an instruments only landing simulatoion. I have lost my copy, and canot even recall the name. If anyone knows where to find it Please let me know. (you might guess I'm tryoing to get things working again on this old dino. It been running hard since Christmas, 1983, with only one major problem (Disk head on A drive gave out in '89). ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 06:08:42 GMT From: csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Apple II CP/M, also UUCP Message-ID: <89N051w164w@ijpc.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes: > Ian, was that a MICROSOFT CP/M patch I saw zinging by? Hmmmmm..... > I've been running on a PCPI Applicard, but a Microsoft CP/M patch could > be useful. I believe so. I wrote it... I'll post it for those who are interested, but I can't right now because the PC I'm using, which I'm borrowing from a friend, is running hard drives only. I'll post it soon. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 91 17:29:38 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!amadeus!donk@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <6530@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> In article <1991Jul17.003820.7010@ncsu.edu> dowalker@eos.ncsu.edu (DAVID OGLESBY WALKER) writes: > >Also, does anyone still sell the graphics chips for the old (pre-'84) >Kaypro IIs and 4s, I'd kind of like to be able to do VT-100 codes with >my Kaypro, so that I don't have to scrounge for adm3a or vt52 codes for >my sysops. > Rembrandt is still available from Central Computer Products for the your Kaypro. The graphics program with a new ROM chip is $49. Rembrandt is a graphics presentation software package. It includes on screen drafting, both free hand and data graphing, as well as fancy printer drivers to make hard copy presentations. Central Computer Products can be contacted: 330 Central Avenue Fillmore California 93015 (805) 542-4189 I have no relationship with either the makers of Rembrandt or Central Computer products other than as a satisfied customer. -- -Don Kirkpatrick (donk@amadeus.WR.TEK.COM) UUCP: ...!uunet!tektronix!amadeus.wr.tek.com!donk ARPA: <donk%amadeus.wr.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET> ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 91 19:38:02 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> dowalker@eos.ncsu.edu (DAVID OGLESBY WALKER) writes: > I own an old Kaypro 4, still running CP/M 2.2, and am looking to find > two things: One: a ZModem up/download program and an uncompresser for > *.?Z? files (like FILENAME.CZM) . > David, you want ZMP15 for Zmodem. Don't be fooled by the 'Z' in the name. That refers to 'Zmodem' and not 'ZCPR' or 'Z-System'. It is a CP/M implementation of Zmodem in C, written by Ron Murray in Australia. The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR (last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. You can find them on my CRUNCH: directory on Z-Node 32 at (908) 754-9067. Use the NJNBR (for PC Pursuit) or 3319 (for StarLink) outdials if you have either service. I have ZMP15.LBR on the MODEM: directory, if memory serves me right. Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 12:41:31 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!spam!dcook@uunet.uu.net (David Cook) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <953@spam.ua.oz> In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes: > >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both >are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* network ... I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, and I sure *don't* want to pay the phone bill for calling one from Australia :-) Besides, I got CRLZH from wuarchive.wustl.edu, (which mirrors the wsmr-simtel20.army.mil archives of CP/M, MS-DOS, and other software), via anonymous ftp, from the directory mirrors/cpm/squsq, file crlzh11.lbr. >You can find them on >my CRUNCH: directory on Z-Node 32 at (908) 754-9067. Use the NJNBR (for >PC Pursuit) or 3319 (for StarLink) outdials if you have either service. >I have ZMP15.LBR on the MODEM: directory, if memory serves me right. > >Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal >Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 > GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 > | (908) 755-6186 David T Cook | e-mail: dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au | Phone: +61 8 228 5709 Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths LMG, Adelaide Uni "The wonderful thing about USENET is that anyone can express their opinion." "The worrying thing is that they _do_." | Free Tibet ! ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 18:16:20 GMT From: aunro!ersys!davem@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Dave McCrady) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <XXLa61w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes: > > In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) w > > > >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR > >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both > >are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. > > Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* > network ... I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, > and I sure *don't* want to pay the phone bill > for calling one from Australia :-) > Accoring to my list there are two Z-Nodes in Australia: #62 in Perth at 61-9-450-0200 #50 in Alice Springs, NT at 61-089-528-852 Dave McCrady | davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca +1 403-454-4054 (voice) | Edmonton Remote Systems +1 403-454-6093 (public USENET) | Serving Northern Alberta since 1982 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 21:18:00 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Re: OFFLINE MAILER (was: cp/m screenplay formatter) Message-ID: <XX0000016e@nowster.UUCP> Albert Crosby <acrosby@uafhp.uark.edu> wrote: > > Well, the one I know of is called CRR0110.ZIP. I can .uue it to you > How about posting it to SIMTEL20 (if that'd be OK with the author) so we can I've already posted it to SIMTEL20. It's <CPM.BBS>CRR0110.ZIP I'm the author. 8-) -- Paul Martin pm.nowster@tharr.uucp ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #127 ************************************* 20-Jul-91 11:58:20-MDT,7323;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 20-Jul-91 11:53:45 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 91 11:53:44 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #128 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910720115345.V91N128@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 20 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 128 Today's Topics: Kaypro Looking for a hard drive for Actrix (Access Matrix) DS printing gifs to printer Re: Looking for an old Flight Simulator Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Re: Small editor ZNodes in OZ (was re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jul 91 06:13:12 GMT From: ryptyde!ryptyde.cts.com@nosc.mil (Max Cohan) Subject: Kaypro Message-ID: <164@ryptyde.UUCP> 1. I just got a Kaypro 4, it has a Kaypro 4 case, and a 'non-glare' screen over the monitor... it also has a Turbo modification... BUT it appears to be a kaypro ][! when it boots it says 'Kaypro II' and some Kaypro 4 programs don't seem to work on it... What is the difference on the motherboard between a Kaypro 2 and 4? Also, could someone post a uuencoded ROM 'image' (ie bin file, or HEX...or asm that I can assemble...but I PREFER one already assembled, linked, and split into seperate image files) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 91 01:51:10 GMT From: netcomsv!dmitry@decwrl.dec.com (Dmitry Grinauz) Subject: Looking for a hard drive for Actrix (Access Matrix) DS Message-ID: <1991Jul20.015110.3920@netcom.COM> Hi, everyone! I am looking for a hard drive that was made specifically for the Actrix, or Access Matrix CP/M computer. I know that this was a 10 meg hard drive with Xebec HPIB controller in it. Unfortunately, I do not know the model number of the controller. Anyhow, if anybody got that drive and is willing to sell it, please let me know. I would settle for a box with working controller and bad drive. Dmitry Gringauz. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 91 02:13:25 GMT From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!cwest@uunet.uu.net (Charles West) Subject: printing gifs to printer Message-ID: <1991Jul20.021325.14221@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> I am hoping to find a program to print gif pictures .. I know my kaypro cant handle any graphic form close to gif .. heck it barely puts a corner of an .rle file to the screen but thought someone might have come up with some type of program to print the darn things out (gif not rle) Thanks, Charles West Chwest@ualr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1991 06:27:06 PDT From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Re: Looking for an old Flight Simulator Message-ID: <"19-Jul-91 9:27:06 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > I used to have a copy of a Kapyro flight simulator program. > It was basically an instruments only landing simulatoion. I > have lost my copy, and canot even recall the name. If it's what I THINK it is, it is not a Kapyro specific program, but an ASCII based instrument flight simulator. It's called Instrument Flight if I remember right. I have it (on a Xerox 820-II), and it's not bad at all. Last I knew, you could get it from Central Computer Products for around $30. Elliam Associates might also have it. In any case, they are both sources where you can still get CP/M software. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) Central Computer Products 330 Central Avenue Fillmore, CA 93015 (805) 524-4189 Elliam Associates P.O. Box 2646 Atascadero, CA 93423 (805) 466-8440 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 91 18:05:04 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <1991Jul19.180504.23790@baron.uucp> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes: [...] >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both > [...] CRUNCH28 will certainly do it for him, Chris, but I think that EXL (which I sent him in uue form) is a better choice since it handles libraries as well. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 91 04:33:37 GMT From: astroatc!nicmad!madnix!ruth!rat@speedy.wisc.edu (David Douthitt) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <qieB61w164w@ruth.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: > You'd be better off using ZDE which is more up-to-date than VDE > (the author of VDE doesn't support CP/M anymore) and is ZCPR3 > compatible. Where can one get ZDE? I had been using VDE, and like it moderately so. Is ZDE ZCPR 3.0 capable? (rather than 3.4 or 4.0 or whatever...) As long as I'm wandering about in the quicksand of editors... is there a vi-clone for CP/M? UUCP: uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!ruth!rat | [witty saying stolen... InterNet: rat@ruth.UUCP | reward offered for safe ==== Apple II Forever! ==== | return.] ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 91 02:42:19 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net (What a Guy!) Subject: ZNodes in OZ (was re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software) Message-ID: <16543.2886d723@levels.unisa.edu.au> In article <XXLa61w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave McCrady) writes: > > dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes: > >> >> In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) w >> > >> >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR >> >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both >> >are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. I have both if you want me to E-mail them as .uue files..... >> Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* >> network ... I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, A Z-node is a place where BBS heads into the Z-system should be!! >> and I sure *don't* want to pay the phone bill >> for calling one from Australia :-) > > Accoring to my list there are two Z-Nodes in Australia: > #62 in Perth at 61-9-450-0200 > #50 in Alice Springs, NT at 61-089-528-852 Well, that list is bogus. Z-node #50 has not been in existance for at least two years. . . I remember calling it in late '89 only to find it disconnected. The good news is that: Z-node 62, run by Lindsay Allen & Ron Murray is going quite nicely. They are even on Fido-net. If anyone wants the ZN62 Fido-net node number, I'll get it for them! Thank the stars above! The southern cross that is! Ronn ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #128 ************************************* 22-Jul-91 11:22:09-MDT,9510;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 91 11:15:30 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #129 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910722111531.V91N129@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 22 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 129 Today's Topics: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Re: Small editor Re: Televideo CP/M system? (3 msgs) Televideo CP/M system? two z80-based systems for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jul 91 22:13:47 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Looking for Kaypro 4 software Message-ID: <o0Le61w164w@ijpc.UUCP> dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes: > In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) w > > > >The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or CRLZHnn.LBR > >(last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 is out). Either or both > >are readily available on Z-Nodes around the country. > > Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* > network ... I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, > and I sure *don't* want to pay the phone bill > for calling one from Australia :-) Mr. McEwen seems to have forgotten that there are sites called "RCP/Ms". Not everyone who runs a CP/M BBS necessarily runs a Z-Node, Chris. In fact, the RCP/M is the direct ancestor to the Z-Nodes. Don't also forget that Z-Nodes are, by their very nature, RCP/Ms. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 91 01:20:52 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <HL2Z52w164w@gnat.rent.com> Steve_Graham@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU writes: > By the way, if any of you know where docs are, let me know. There are a few > things I haven't been able to figure out, such as what the printing options > are, and how to use the split window function. I have the full LBR for VDE version 2.66 on my Z-Node in central New Jersey. You can connect at (908) 754-9067 or through PCP (NJNBR) or Starlink (3319) at up to 2400 bps. Also have ZDE, which is VDE updated for Z-System. Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jul 91 20:45:04 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <1991Jul21.204504.7719@baron.uucp> It is probably either an 802H or 803H. Perhaps Ed Grey, who frequents these parts, can shed some further light on it. He is much more conversant with TeleVideo things than I. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 07:12:58 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <1991Jul22.071258.29390@cs.rug.nl> In article <CMM.0.90.2.680031965.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips) writes: >I just picked up a machine that comes with a cp/m disk. The machine >says televideo all over it; the screen and the cpu. When I try to >fire it up, all it does it give me rows and rows of dots. Does anyone >know anything about this one? Oh yeah, it has a single 5-1/4" floppy >drivr, with an area on the right for a harddrive, but {there is none >there. Can anyone give me any info on this? Thanx in advance! Is there anything that might tell the model? I know the 806 prints dots while it is waiting for the harddisk to come up. Does it have a reset button? try pressing it, maybe it'll switch over to the floppy drive. (the 806 does this) Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 15:47:41 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <1991Jul22.094741.48472@cc.usu.edu> In article <CMM.0.90.2.680031965.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Earl W Phillips <ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes: > I just picked up a machine that comes with a cp/m disk. The machine > says televideo all over it; the screen and the cpu. When I try to > fire it up, all it does it give me rows and rows of dots. Does anyone > know anything about this one? Oh yeah, it has a single 5-1/4" floppy > drivr, with an area on the right for a harddrive, but {there is none > there. Can anyone give me any info on this? Thanx in advance! Sounds to me like your machine is configured to a satellite machine on a Mmmost network. It's looking to boot from the network server rather than from a local disk. There's a dipswitch that controls whether or not it does that, but I haven't the foggiest which. Assuming it's an 802 or 803, that is... Roger Ivie slsw2@cc.usu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 91 17:46:05 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.680031965.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I just picked up a machine that comes with a cp/m disk. The machine says televideo all over it; the screen and the cpu. When I try to fire it up, all it does it give me rows and rows of dots. Does anyone know anything about this one? Oh yeah, it has a single 5-1/4" floppy drivr, with an area on the right for a harddrive, but {there is none there. Can anyone give me any info on this? Thanx in advance! ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 09:13:48 GMT From: NEXTASY2.EECS.WSU.EDU!dwatola@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David Watola) Subject: two z80-based systems for sale Message-ID: <9107220910.AA07810@nextasy2.eecs.wsu.edu> i have to get rid of the following two systems, as soon as possible. i am not looking to get rich, merely to cover some of my initial investment (i only have about $250 invested total) and give these systems a good home. otherwise they get junked. system #1: a tei 18-slot motherboard, case, powersupply. several boards, including z80 cpu, probably 32-48k ram, (on multiple 8k boards, blech), a custom disk controller (no drives though), and a 2sio/2pio board. this has been tested briefly, just to verify that it powers up and run zapple properly. system #2: a running ccs system. humongous power supply and case, 18-20 slot motherboard. disk controller, two 8" drives. 5 serial ports. 64k ram. all cards are ccs boards. most of the documentation on most of the cards. bios source, (etc) but i can't currently generate a new system (just copy bootable disks and modify disk sectors manually to change the bios). the disk drives are dsdd (1.2 megs). 10-15 1.2 meg disks filled with stuff; another 30 or so low density (256k) disks. disk case. i am in a hurry right now, so i won't go into detail. send me email and i can give a complete summary of parts, with factory part numbers. system #2 has worked very well for me over the past few years, but i have reached a point where i can no longer fit everything i own into my pickup truck so i have to ditch some of it. make me an offer and its yours. you will have to worry about shipping charges; these suckers weight a ton. hell, make me a semi decent offer on system #2 and you can have #1 for a song. you will probably have to pay more for postage or shipping than anything else... unless you are anywhere near pullman, washington (oh, yeah, right!) please don't make me junk these... both motherboards are excellent for prototyping, but who has time for that kind of stuff??? anyway, contact me by email: dwatola@nextasy2.eecs.wsu.edu dwatola@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #129 ************************************* 23-Jul-91 19:22:33-MDT,9061;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 91 19:15:51 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #130 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910723191552.V91N130@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 23 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 130 Today's Topics: CP/M Compiler survey, additional info requested Keeper of the CP/M disks Re: Small editor Re: Televideo CP/M system? Re: Televideo update Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Televideo update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Jul 91 08:08:21 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: CP/M Compiler survey, additional info requested Message-ID: <1991Jul23.080821.394@cs.rug.nl> Hi all, My compiler survey did get some results, but I would like to extend the list a little before posting it. particularly, there are several compilers/packages mentioned by name only. Can anyone give me info on: FTL Modula-2 (also mentioned as Hisoft FTL Modula-2) Turbo Modula-2 (heard about it in comp.lang.modula2) Pro Pascal Janus/Ada C-Pack (Is that Ada, or just the manufacturers' name??) JRT Pascal Several remarks were made about Microsoft not caring anymore about their products. Anyone from Microsoft on the list? RS (I suppose that is Radio Shack aka Tandy) in Australia seems to sell quite some stuff for 3-figure amounts (Australian $). Anyone from Tandy in the US on-line? Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 02:55:28 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: Keeper of the CP/M disks Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.680237728.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Would you happen to have a boot disk for the Televideo 802? I hear {this *may* get my {*new* syst{em going.{...... ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 12:34:21 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Small editor Message-ID: <yRkH61w164w@ijpc.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes: > ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: > > > You'd be better off using ZDE which is more up-to-date than VDE > > (the author of VDE doesn't support CP/M anymore) and is ZCPR3 > > compatible. > > Where can one get ZDE? I had been using VDE, and like it moderately > so. Is ZDE ZCPR 3.0 capable? (rather than 3.4 or 4.0 or whatever...) I believe I just said that. I've been using ZCPR33 for a long time (about a year and a half) and have had no problems with ZDE. BTW, are you running ZCPR 3.0? If so, you'd be better off running ZCPR 3.3. It's MUCH better than 3.0. You don't have to change your Z3BASE.LIB file. > As long as I'm wandering about in the quicksand of editors... is there > a vi-clone for CP/M? I seriously doubt it. It would be kinda nice, though... :-) Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 04:38:28 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!loligo!swanson@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Swanson) Subject: Re: Televideo CP/M system? Message-ID: <1991Jul23.043828.29848@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> In article <CMM.0.90.2.680031965.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips) writes: > > >says televideo all over it; the screen and the cpu. When I try to >fire it up, all it does it give me rows and rows of dots. Does anyone I am pretty sure you have snagged one of the "network" stations from an old TeleVideo system. The dots you see are the machine waiting for the network to respond via the RS422 port. Someplace inside the machine is a switch you can throw to defeat this portion of the BIOS, and force the machine to run standalone. I used a system like this about 10 years ago, right before IBM announced the PC. I don't have any of the docs, so I can't even begin to suggest which switch to play with. I think I DO have some of the original 5.25 disks around here someplace. I'll see if there's any documentation on them. I think the OS was called MMMOST, or something like that. It was basically CP/M, made "easy" for idiots. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 05:05:20 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Televideo update Message-ID: <1991Jul23.050520.9851@baron.uucp> ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips) writes: > [...] >It seems that the machine is a model 800 (?) for on the keyboard, it >says "TS-800A". I've heard that it is not booting up cause it's waiting >for a "server" ? As I have no idea this is, could someone please fill >me in? Also, as I obviously don't have this "server", is the rest junk? >Or, is there some way to hook it up to yet another CP/M running machine? >On back of this Televideo, it has 6 connections, marked User 1 through 6 >which I took to mean that this may be an MP/M system? What the heck is >this beastie? HELP?!??!?!?!?!?!??! > From the rear connection description, it sounds more like the server without the hard drive. Earl, is there open space for a hard drive or is it covered with a blank panel? Are the two ribbon cables and edge connectors for a hard disk installed? Do they connect to *anything* if so? No, don't characterize it as junk - at least not yet! Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 20:01:18 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!kth.se!news@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Message-ID: <0094C0C1.E3F236E0@lne.kth.se> Is there anyone who knows if it is possible to create a stand-alone .COM-file from a basic program with BASCOM and L80 (ver 3.44), that is in some way link the BRUN.COM into the .COM-file. I have a CP/M 2.2- system. Please, let me know if it is possible. Thomas Thor Royal Inst. of Techn. Stockholm, Sweden e-mail: thor@lne.kth.se ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 91 22:26:57 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: Televideo update Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.680221617.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I have an update on my plea for Televideo info: It seems that the machine is a model 800 (?) for on the keyboard, it says "TS-800A". I've heard that it is not booting up cause it's waiting for a "server" ? As I have no idea this is, could someone please fill me in? Also, as I obviously don't have this "server", is the rest junk? Or, is there some way to hook it up to yet another CP/M running machine? On back of this Televideo, it has 6 connections, marked User 1 through 6 which I took to mean that this may be an MP/M system? What the heck is this beastie? HELP?!??!?!?!?!?!??! Thanx in advance for ANY info; boy, I'm really lost now! :) ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #130 ************************************* 25-Jul-91 05:45:57-MDT,7276;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 25-Jul-91 05:40:22 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 05:40:21 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #131 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910725054022.V91N131@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 25 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 131 Today's Topics: Hard Drive for Osborne-1 wanted HOW TO READ CPM DISK DRIVE FROM PC? Microsoft Softcard for Apple ][ Re: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Re: Televideo update Wanted Osborne Executive ROM & BIOS Listings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Jul 91 04:52:57 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uhccux!wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu!bethke@uunet.uu.net (Earl Bethke) Subject: Hard Drive for Osborne-1 wanted Message-ID: <14079@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> I'm looking for a hard drive for an Osborne-1 computer. If anyone has one they want to get rid of (or sell), send me some email. Thanks, Earl (bethke@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 91 19:43:58 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rphroy!cfctech!teemc!ka3ovk!nstar!towers!mgcind!sfbhq!Fred_Mail@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Brice Fleckenstein) Subject: HOW TO READ CPM DISK DRIVE FROM PC? Message-ID: <679917385.18@sfbhq.Fidonet.Org> You might ask for more information at the Dino(saur) SIG of the San Diego Computer Society for help - lots of old-time CP/M Hackers that should collectively be able to come up with a solution for you. Also, Jade has a San Diego store, they MIGHT be able to come up with some information for you - but I wouldn't bet on it, as they completely discontinued their once-extensive CP/M support almost 10 years ago.... * Origin: Brice's Library TBBS - Indianapolis IN (317) 353-0410 (1:231/190) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 03:33:37 GMT From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!efichtne@uunet.uu.net (Erik Fichtner) Subject: Microsoft Softcard for Apple ][ Message-ID: <1991Jul25.033337.3100@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> I recently acquired a Microsoft Softcard for an Apple ][+ that sits over in the corner collecting dust.. I did not recieve *any* documentation or disks with the card, so I don't have a clue how to make it go. Is there some way to pass Z80 instructions to it on the bus (possible multi-processing) is there any way I can program this card to do Z80 things without the CP/M disks to run it? and if not, does anyone have disks/manuals or copies thereof that they could mail me via US Snail? respond via email: efichtne@isis.cs.du.edu -- Techs (efichtne@nyx.cs.du.edu [isis.cs.du.edu]) Disclaimer: If any of the above is wrong, I didn't post it. {p:ily} ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 09:09:49 GMT From: wupost!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!ersys!davem@g.ms.uky.edu (Dave McCrady) Subject: Re: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Message-ID: <3m1k61w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> thor@lne.kth.se writes: > > Is there anyone who knows if it is possible to create > a stand-alone .COM-file from a basic program with > BASCOM and L80 (ver 3.44), that is in some way link > the BRUN.COM into the .COM-file. I have a CP/M 2.2- > system. > > Please, let me know if it is possible. Sure. Just add the /O switch when you call BASCOM. eg. bascom=ziffle /o Dave McCrady | davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca +1 403-454-4054 (voice) | Edmonton Remote Systems +1 403-454-6093 (public USENET) | Serving Northern Alberta since 1982 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 07:37:59 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: Televideo update Message-ID: <1991Jul24.073759.801@cs.rug.nl> ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips) writes: >I have an update on my plea for Televideo info: > >It seems that the machine is a model 800 (?) for on the keyboard, it >says "TS-800A". I've heard that it is not booting up cause it's waiting >for a "server" ? As I have no idea this is, could someone please fill >me in? Also, as I obviously don't have this "server", is the rest junk? >Or, is there some way to hook it up to yet another CP/M running machine? >On back of this Televideo, it has 6 connections, marked User 1 through 6 >which I took to mean that this may be an MP/M system? What the heck is >this beastie? HELP?!??!?!?!?!?!??! >Thanx in advance for ANY info; boy, I'm really lost now! :) Hey, this is amazing!! The 800 really IS a diskless mmmost client! At least, I haven't seen any with another way of running. It wants the server to send over the CP/M image. However, I'm starting to get confused about your description. Not the 800, but the 806 SERVER has 6 connections on its back!, and didn't you mention an empty spot where a harddisk could have been. Could it be you have BOTH an 806 AND an 800, and didn't know BOTH have a Z80? The 800 looks remarkably like a Tvi-950 terminal, and it is VERY easy to mistake it for a dumb terminal! P.S. if this is the case, you'ld better find an 806 WITH a harddisk before you can do something with it. Earlyer version had a a small HD (10 MB unformatted, about 7.5MB usable space), later versions sported a slim-line TEAC floppy drive, and still later versions had a 20MB HD. Greetings, Bert -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 20:25:21 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!IASTATE.EDU!danny@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Staedtler Danny A) Subject: Wanted Osborne Executive ROM & BIOS Listings Message-ID: <1991Jul24.152521@IASTATE.EDU> I am planning on making some modifications to my Osborne Executive. What I plan is to do the following: 1. Build a replacement memory board to add memory banks 2-6 2. Replace my 5 1/4" (180K) floppies with 3 1/2" (720K) floppies 3. Replace the Monitor EPROM (a 2764 with a 27128) and put in some addition built in functions. I have schematics and just about have the artwork for the memory board done. However to get 2 and 3 above accomplished, I need the listing to Osborne Executive ROM Monitor version 1.44 and BIOS code. Does someone out there have the Osborne Technical Reference Manuals that contains the source code listings? Can I make some arrangement to photocopy or scan them in? I have also talked to two people who said they had hard drives in their Exec's (when they had them). Does anybody have any technical information on this? Just an old CPM hardware hacker - Dan Staedtler (danny@iastate.edu) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #131 ************************************* 26-Jul-91 16:28:09-MDT,11802;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 16:15:59 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #132 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910726161601.V91N132@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 26 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 132 Today's Topics: Bradford printing program Osborne-1 BIOS source? RCP/Ms and Z-Nodes Re: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? RE: That televideo thing..... Re: your Televideo 'thing' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 10:24 CST From: TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU Subject: Bradford printing program Message-ID: <3D448B352A5F200D23@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Hello, Has anyone used the Bradford printing program available from Simtel20 in <cpm.list> as brad2-a.ark? When I try to run bradford.com I get an insufficient memory error and the program aborts. Any idea how much TPA this program needs to run? I am using Montezuma Micro CP/M on my TRS-80 Model 4. I have been able to use the bf2small.com in the bfupdat1.ark. This is a version which will only to 140 columns and uses less memory. Is this program still being sold? Lance ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 15:37:38 GMT From: milton!sumax!amc-gw!thebes!polari!rwing!jeffery@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Jeffery Foy) Subject: Osborne-1 BIOS source? Message-ID: <348@rwing.UUCP> Does anyone happen to have source to the Osborne-1 BIOS? I'd like to do some hacking but need the source. Jeff -- ------------------------------------- Jeffery Foy - This life is a demo...[Unregistered] ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 06:50:45 GMT From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen) Subject: RCP/Ms and Z-Nodes Message-ID: <aJJo61w164w@gnat.rent.com> Last week I answered a question and then went away on vacation. Seems my message generated a series of subsequent messages: On 18 Jul 91 12:41:31 GMT, dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) wrote: >>In article <42u953w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com >>(Chris McEwen) writes: >>The 'uncompressor' you want is in either CRUNCH28.LBR or >>CRLZHnn.LBR (last CRLZH I have is version 1.1 but I think 1.2 >>is out). Either or both are readily available on Z-Nodes >>around the country. >Which country ? Please remember that this is an *international* >network ... You are quite right, David. My apologies. I had no intension of slighting anyone outside the United States. >I don't know what exactly a Z-node is, and I sure *don't* want to >pay the phone bill for calling one from Australia :-) Nor would I! :-) A Z-Node is a bbs that is devoted to supporting CP/M and ZCPR. Most are run as RCP/Ms. On 19 Jul 91 02:42:19 GMT, etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au (What a Guy!)wrote: >A Z-node is a place where BBS heads into the Z-system should be!! While on 20 Jul 91 22:13:47 GMT, ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) continues: >Mr. McEwen seems to have forgotten that there are sites called >"RCP/Ms". Not everyone who runs a CP/M BBS necessarily runs a >Z-Node, Chris. In fact, the RCP/M is the direct ancestor to the >Z-Nodes. Don't also forget that Z-Nodes are, by their very >nature, RCP/Ms. Ian, a Z-Node and an RCP/M are not necessarily the same. My system is both. That is, it is an RCP/M that is dedicated to supporting CP/M and Z-System users. But as matter of definition, the term RCP/M refers to a system whereby the users are permitted access to the CP/M operating system. What they may *find* there depends on what the system is established to support. Of course, many do support our operating system, but I've known many RCP/Ms used to support private businesses, writers' groups, clubs. That was why I mentioned Z-Nodes. Support for CP/M does not have to come from a CP/M based machine. There are people running Z-Nodes (supporting CP/M and ZCPR) from other platforms. So Z-Nodes are not, by their very nature, RCP/Ms. Then, on 18 Jul 91 18:16:20 GMT, davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave McCrady) wrote: >Accoring to my list there are two Z-Nodes in Australia: >#62 in Perth at 61-9-450-0200 >#50 in Alice Springs, NT at 61-089-528-852 To which etrmg@levels.unisa.edu.au (What a Guy!) replied: >Well, that list is bogus. Z-node #50 has not been in existance >for at least two years. I remember calling it in late '89 only to >find it disconnected. The good news is that: Z-node 62, run by >Lindsay Allen & Ron Murray is going quite nicely. They are even >on Fido-net. If anyone wants the ZN62 Fido-net node number, I'll >get it for them! This brings us full circle. (1) A Z-Node is a bbs (usually but not always an RCP/M) to support CP/M and ZCPR. (2) Many RCP/Ms support CP/M and ZCPR but few outside the United States have been listed, at least so far as the rest of us would know. Ian Cottrell publishes a list of RCPMs and Jay Sage releases the list of Z-Nodes. I have published the Z-Node list in the last two issues of TCJ. The RCP/M listing is too large to print. Sysops of either should get their systems listed so that support for users can be available in their own countries. Jay reads this news group. His Internet address is SAGE@LL.MIT.EDU. So far as I know, Ian is not on the net. I can forward mail to him for you. We need your help in compiling the information! Thanks. Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12 GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080 | (908) 755-6186 ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 06:31:11 GMT From: iWarp.intel.com!pdxgate!qiclab!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Re: Stand-Alone file with BASCOM? Message-ID: <1991Jul25.063111.7008@techbook.com> In article <0094C0C1.E3F236E0@lne.kth.se> thor@lne.kth.se writes: > > Is there anyone who knows if it is possible to create > a stand-alone .COM-file from a basic program with > BASCOM and L80 (ver 3.44), that is in some way link > the BRUN.COM into the .COM-file. I have a CP/M 2.2- > system. > > Please, let me know if it is possible. Yes, it is possible. on the command line for the compiler add a /O (letter 'O' not a zero) to tell the compiler to stick RQUEST OBSLIB.REL into the object file, instead of RQUEST BASLIB.REL. the linker will instead pull routines out of the OBSLIB.REL library. These routines do not require the presence of BRUN.COM, and oftentimes will allow larger programs to execute in less memory. To do this, you need to have a copy of OBSLIB.REL around somewhere. It is a part of the distribution package. But the downside of this is that there are some commands that are implemented in BASLIB.REL that are not implemented in OBSLIB.REL. Depending on whether your existing programs use these commands, you might have some problems getting them to compile to standalone executables. For instance, COMMON is not supported, and CHAIN is semantically equivalent to a RUN statement. RUN <linenumber> is not supported. RUN can only call another *.COM file. The CLEAR command is not supported in any way. For large applications, these may cause additional problems. Implementing a system of programs that call one another is not easy, since sharing information is restricted. What you may end up doing is passing parameters from one module to another by writing them into a file, and having the target module check for the presence of that file Programs that use CLEAR to allow arrays to be resized will also have problems. Arrays cannot be dynamically allocated, as they could with the interpreter, and array definitions must be integer constants. Once you define an array for a program, you cannot delete it or change it. Hope that helps you... -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... No wonder I can't hold a regular sleeping schedule. My subconcious mind knows we are only one well-placed bullet from having Quayle as president. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 22:26:33 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips) Subject: RE: That televideo thing..... Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.680480793.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> First, I wanna thank all who have replied to my plea for help. (I don't know how I get myself into these things!). Second, the consensus seems to be that I have two birds here; the monitor seems to be in actuality something else, a Televideo model 800. The cpu seems to be a Televideo Model 806. At least that's what those with much more brains than I say it is. I guess the big problem is that the monitor is looking for a "server" to boot up from, and the cpu is trying to boot up period. Somehow I gotta get the two connected together properly. While the monitor part has an RS422 connector, the other end of the cable that's connected to it is connected to the "User 1" port on the cpu. Now, the cpu has a "terminal" port, but no cable connected to it, and none came with it. It looks to be a 25-pin RS232 connector. Say, do you suppose that I could hook up a dumb televideo 950 or 925 terminal to that, and t'd fire up? Just a thought.... in the meantine, I guess the big question is, can this monitor and this cpu be made to work together? (I haven't got a Televideo dumb terminal anyway!) To those of you who responded to me via here, I'll keep ya'all posted as to any developments in this saga, please keep feeding me info! For those of you who sent me email on this, check your mailboxes! (Whew, if I ever figure this one out, I'm gonna lay off pickin' up any more machines for a while!) :) ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 05:25:09 GMT From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: your Televideo 'thing' Message-ID: <1991Jul25.052509.11572@baron.uucp> Earl, I have a copy of the MMMOST disk that I am sending to you - I think I still have your address. I have Sysgen'd it with the CPM58.COM file that is on the disk. Hopefully, it will boot for you. The only 802 that I have is the 802H (hard-drive), and I'm not sure it will work. I'll send it along also, though, just in case. Most of the files on the MMMOST disk will probably not be of value, but they are there anyway for your own amazement, if nothing else. Keep us posted on this project. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #132 ************************************* 29-Jul-91 01:14:14-MDT,5521;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 29-Jul-91 01:04:15 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 01:04:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #133 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910729010415.V91N133@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 29 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 133 Today's Topics: More help needed. Qterm/vt100 Re: Microsoft Softcard for Apple ][ Wanted - Compupro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Jul 91 21:28:30 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!plains!skar%plains.NoDak.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Skar aka Roddy) Subject: More help needed. Message-ID: <11302@plains.NoDak.edu> Help needed again. This time I am still using my apple IIe with the UUCP program. Now I want to use my No-slot clock with the UUCP programs. Can anybody supply some much needed help. Thanks..... -- Keith M. Skar aka Roddy skar@plains.nodak.edu Internet | All I ask is for a chance skar@plains Bitnet | to prove that money ..!uunet!plains!skar UUCP | can't make me happy!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 91 04:01:36 EDT From: Steve.Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: Qterm/vt100 Message-ID: <9460729@ub.cc.umich.edu> I am using the cpm QTERM comm program with its vt100 emulator to talk to our mainframe (UB-MTS) full-screen message system. I am running QTERM on a Kaypro-II, a slow machine. The problem I am having is that even at 1200 baud sometimes the vt100 codes coming in from MTS go by too fast for the Kaypro to keep up, and the screen gets scrambled. I checked this out at 300 baud, and at that speed it works first time, every time, but that is impractical. What I need is either a way to halt input from MTS while the Kaypro processes the cursor and screen control codes, or a way to patch QTERM with what I believe is called an "interrupt driver". I'm just parroting the term, I don't know what it means. I have a fast terminal emulator (fastterm.com) that works at high speeds without dropping characters, apparently because it is interrupt driven. Suggestions are solicited. Please keep in mind that I relatively ignorant of these matters, and have almost no experience in working with assembler. If patching is an option you'll have to tell me how, as well as what to patch. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 21:56:22 GMT From: iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@uunet.uu.net (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: Microsoft Softcard for Apple ][ Message-ID: <NgPP61w164w@ijpc.UUCP> efichtne@isis.cs.du.edu (Erik Fichtner) writes: > I recently acquired a Microsoft Softcard for an Apple ][+ that sits over > in the corner collecting dust.. I did not recieve *any* documentation > or disks with the card, so I don't have a clue how to make it go. I have every clue and I'll see if I can help because I started out on an Apple II Plus and a SoftCard. > Is there some way to pass Z80 instructions to it on the bus (possible multi-p > is there any way I can program this card to do Z80 things without the > CP/M disks to run it? You absolultely can NOT do multi-processing with a regular SoftCard (maybe, and I mean ---MAYBE---, with a SoftCard //e). It is physically impossible and it isn't feasible if you're talking about running the two processors running asynchronously (i.e. running the two processors independently of each other). When the SoftCard is active, it effectively completely takes over your whole computer. It puts the 6502 to sleep and becomes the main processor for a time. > and if not, does anyone have disks/manuals or copies thereof that they could > mail me via US Snail? Gimme your address, and I'll see what I can do. > respond via email: efichtne@isis.cs.du.edu I like responding publicly because all can benefit. Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_ 6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj North Highlands, CA 95660| "Iron bars do not a prison make, but they sure do (916) 344-5360 | help." -- Bugs Bunny. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 03:58:26 GMT From: virtech!rickr@uunet.uu.net (Rick Rodman) Subject: Wanted - Compupro Message-ID: <1991Jul27.035826.13284@virtech.uucp> I have recently acquired a Compupro system running MC-DOS (multi-concurrent dos). It boots but I don't have the system password. I'd like to acquire a copy of CP/M-816 or manuals to MC-DOS or MP/M-816. I have no manuals. For that matter, I'd like hardware manuals for the dual processor, Disk 1A, hard disk controller, system support 1 and/or interfacer 3 boards, and ram-21 ram boards. If you have such manuals available, please send me e-mail or give me a call. For that matter, if you have any compupro hardware such as that listed laying around, give me a call. Thanks a bunch! Rick Rodman uunet!virtech!rickr "Yesterday's Tomorrow is Here Today" 1 703 330 9849 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #133 ************************************* 29-Jul-91 14:21:36-MDT,11580;000000000000 Return-Path: <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:15:47 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #134 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910729141548.V91N134@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 29 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 134 Today's Topics: CP/M compiler list - 29-7-1991 Re: Qterm/vt100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Jul 91 11:37:42 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!gufalet.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: CP/M compiler list - 29-7-1991 Message-ID: <1991Jul29.113742.567@cs.rug.nl> [ 1st Version: 29 July 1991 ] [ Last edited: 29 July 1991, by laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) ] C P / M - 8 0 C O M P I L E R L I S T ========================================= This list is an attempt at answering most of the `Can anyone tell me what the best CP/M compiler for language "foo" is?' questions. Please do not expect this list to be definitive. I am very much dependent on the information sent to me, and if nobody mentioned a certain compiler, chances are you won't find it here. If you know of a compiler that should be in the list, send me a description. Compiler categories: I've split up the list into two parts, based on how much info I have on the compiler concerned. The first list is a list of compilers with some kind of description, the second list contains compiler only known to me by name. Please note that 1 (one) line of descriptive comment is enough to make it a category 1 compiler. ;-) Compiler availability: Many compilers are still sold, others can only be obtained as an illegal copy. Also some compilers are public domain, but alas that group is rather small. I think that, even though many companies are no longer actively engaged in maintaining their CP/M packages, they will _not_ look kindly on publicly announced copying. Since I received _no_ communications from persons working for companies like Borland, Microsoft, and Digital Research, I wonder if any of them monitor this list. Perhaps we as collective CP/M users can draw some goodwill, and persuade them to remove some of the copying restrictions on e.g. binaries. I mention the copyright holder when known. "?? PD ??" means that I don't know, but that they are for sale at such a low rate that I suspect them to be at least shareware. Many Bulletin Boards have interesting software, and Ed Grey not only runs a BBS, but also sells MIX C and Turbo PASCAL v3. RS components in England also sells originals materials. I mention these two as example, undoubtebly there are others with remnants of a large stock. JRT PASCAL, Prolog-80, Micro-COBOL, Forth-83, Small-C and others are appearently PD, and can be had from BBSes. PCW world seems to have MBASIC on one of their disks, but I'm doubtful about their right to do this. References: I include the names of all those that sent me information on the compilers, since they are likely to know more if you have questions about a specific product. The rumors: Hah! many! I'm forced to reject rumors that Microsoft is no longer interested: RS components still sells compilers for CP/M+ - including Macro-80! - for three figure amounts. 1. Known compilers: ------------------- Ada: ==== - Janus/Ada ??? PASCAL subset of Ada. Teeny bit of parallelism. Refs: dcb Algol 60: ========= - Valgol v1. ?? PD ?? Subset of Algol 60. Generates Z80 code. Needs "E Prolog". Refs: u895217 Assembly: ========= - ZMAC v1.07D *Public Domain* Z80 macro assembler Refs: wittig Add-ons: - ZLINK v1.07D Linkage editor - Macro-80 Microsoft Magnificent Macro assembler & linking loader. Link files are relocatable and used by all Microsoft compilers, as well as many others. Refs: laverman, henryb - MAC & RMAC Digital Research Standard assembler for CP/M 3 (aka CP/M+). RMAC produces .REL files. Linker can produce .PRL executables (Page ReLocatable). BASIC: ====== - MBASIC compiler Microsoft The MBASIC interpreter is _the_ standard. This is the compiler. Refs: laverman - Hisoft Z Basic ???? Supposedly produces slow code. Refs: u895217 - SBASIC Kaypro?? Comes with Kaypro II Refs: Steve.Graham C: == - Small-C v1.2 *Public Domain* No floating point, less than K&R ed. 1 Refs: wittig Add-ons: - Peephole optimizer - Preprocessor (K&R) - Assembly optimizer for Small-C - MIX C v2.1.0 MIX Software Full K&R, including float and long. Refs: ewen, ac959 - HiSoft C ???? K&R, but no floats. Refgs: u895217 - HiTech C v. 3.09 Hi-Tech Software Full K&R _and_ ANSI. (!!) Refs: mds - Arnor C Arnor Ltd Full K&R Refs: u895217 - C/80 Software Toolworks IMathpac also available. Refs: henryb - BDS-C BD Software Almost K&R C, no floats, but fake-float support is in the package. Refs: laverman COBOL: ====== - Micro COBOL ?? PD ?? Cut down COBOL, no indexed files, no sort. Refs: u895217 - Nevada COBOL ???? Based on 1974 standard. No indexed files. Refs: u895217 Fortran: ======== - Fortran-80 Microsoft Allmost complete Fortran IV implementation. Claims to have the fastest mathematical library for 8080/Z80. Works (maybe) with a RATFOR preprocessor. Refs: agr-rss, laverman Modula-2: ========= - Hisoft FTL Modula-2 Hisoft (???) Good, fast, and extensive. Comes with editor. Lib source included. Compiler is one-pass, so FORWARD declarations are needed. Implements Modula-2 2nd edition(!) Refs: u895217, cummings - Turbo Modula-2 Borland Intl. Editor, compiler, linker & librarian in one. Fast & good. Can interface to .REL files (Macro-80). Implements Modula-2 3rd edition(!) Refs: svh, cummings - Hochstrasser Z80-Modula-2 Hochstrasser Computing AG Implements 2nd edition Modula-2. Troubles with large programs. Refs: cummings PASCAL: ======= - Turbo PASCAL v3.01A Borland Intl. Editor & compiler in one. Fast. No separate modules, but include files are supported. Refs: ac959 - Nevada PASCAL ???? Needs >=60K RAM. Refs: u895217 - JRT PASCAL ?? PD ?? P-code system. Refs: se - PASCAL/MT+ Digital Research Full PASCAL, including modules with interfaces. Uses an object file format that is derived from Microsoft's .REL files. Ideal for large projects. Refs: svh, laverman PL/I: ===== - PL/I-80 Digital Research The way of parameter handling to BIOS & BDOS is derived from the way this compiler did it. Refs: svh 2. Known by name: ----------------- Mu-LISP iLISP 2.0 Toolworks LISP/80 CBASIC Mi-C Avotec C Aztec C (Any relation to Atari ST Aztec C???) Pro Fortran 1.25 E Prolog Prolog 80 micro-Prolog 3.1 Prolog-1 2.2 Forth 83 Hisoft Forth Maxam 2 (What language ???) 3. References: -------------- ac959: ac959@cwns2.ins.cwru.edu (Ed Grey) agr-rss: agr-rss@brl.mil (Richard S. Sandmeyer) cummings: cummings@primerd.prime.com (Kevin J. Cummings) dcb: dcb%grgzfla.UUCP@vax.cs.pitt.edu (Daniel C. Becker) ewen: ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) henryb: henryb@usage.csd.unsw.oz.au (Henry Brancik) laverman: laverman@cs.rug.nl (Bert Laverman) mds: mds@id.dth.dk (Michael Dantzer-Sorensen) Steve.Graham: Steve.Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu (Steve Graham) se: se@ikp.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) svh: svh@shell.com (Steven V. Hovater) u895217: u895217@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Scott Marshall) wittig: wittig@gmdzi.gmd.de (Georg Wittig) -- #include <std/disclaimer> Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University laverman@cs.rug.nl bert@arrakis.nl.mugnet.org ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jul 91 17:24:29 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!emory!ogicse!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Re: Qterm/vt100 Message-ID: <1991Jul29.172429.15323@techbook.com> In article <9460729@ub.cc.umich.edu> Steve.Graham@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU writes: >I am using the cpm QTERM comm program with its vt100 emulator to talk to >our mainframe (UB-MTS) full-screen message system. >I am running QTERM on a Kaypro-II, a slow machine. >The problem I am having is that even at 1200 baud sometimes the vt100 codes >coming in from MTS go by too fast for the Kaypro to keep up, and the screen >gets scrambled. I checked this out at 300 baud, and at that speed it works >first time, every time, but that is impractical. Kinda common on 2Mhz z80 machines... >What I need is either a way to halt input from MTS while the Kaypro processes >the cursor and screen control codes,or a way to patch QTERM with what I believe >is called an "interrupt driver". I'm just parroting the term, I don't know >what it means. well, most mainframes don't have the response time needed to tell them to stop sending in time. the interrupt driven approach is the best alternative, but bear in mind it might not solve the problem. most cp/m com programs use an "overlay" to allow the same executable code to work on different serial port hardware. your best bet would be to rewrite the overlay so it does interrupt driven input/output. the hardware is definately able to support it. but the reason why i said this might not work is because interrupt driven input will allow the terminal/computer to store characters it otherwise would miss in a circular buffer in RAM. If the serial port baud rate is too fast for the processor to handle, then interrupt driven input won't do a scrap of good. it will, however, allow your machine to handle the data as fast as it can when the baud rate is faster than the processor can handle, for short periods of time. (like, the the processor is handling those vt100 codes.) you may find that you'll have to get your mainframe to add nulls to the end of every line, to give the kaypro time to catch up. handling interrupt requests on a z80 system (using z80sio chips) is very straightforward and reading the data sheets will give you all the information you need. (whether it is comprehendable or not is left as an excercise for the student... ;) there are many books on the subject, if you can still find them. someone may have already gone ahead and written an interrupt driven overlay for QTERM for the kaypro II, so if you can find someone who has one you may have the easy way out there. but if you can't find one, i'll help you with it. I have a kaypro II 83, which is probably the same thing you have, and could help debug the code. all you need as a starting point is a virgin copy of the QTERM distribution, which should have the overlay information in it. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... No wonder I can't hold a regular sleeping schedule. My subconcious mind knows we are only one well-placed bullet from having Quayle as president. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #134 *************************************