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- VIRUS-L Digest Friday, 11 Nov 1988 Volume 1 : Issue 4
-
- Today's Topics:
- what should be done with Morris et al.
- virus
- Opinion on Internet Worm ramifications
- Wozniak vs. Cohen
- Linguistic remark
-
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-
- Date: Thu, 10 Nov 88 19:03:55 EST
- From: "Homer W. Smith" <CTM@CORNELLC>
- Subject: what should be done with Morris et al.
-
- I believe a fair and approporate action that should be taken
- with Morris and others like him, (if proven guilty etc.) is some form
- of community service in the field of computer security.
-
- Having read about previous situations like this, I propose
- that a 'WAR GAMES' be set up on purpose at many insitutions with
- Good buys and Bad guys. The good guys try to write a secure system,
- the bad guys try to break it. After a while they change sides.
- Give them the run of the most advanced stuff on the planet, just not
- connected to anything real, and let them try to crash the hell
- out of it. The army plays games like this all the time with lasers
- instead of bullets.
-
- You know the most DANGEROUS thing about this whole thing is
- not that computer systems are inherently unstable, but that PEOPLE
- build them who can not refrain from the temptation to build in
- billions of backdoors. THAT is what is going to bring us down.
-
- And it is totally insane to think this does not affect
- the nuclear weapons side of things. People who say it doesn't
- know it does but want you to think it doesn't. Can't imagine why,
- their ass will be blown up with the rest of us.
-
- Homer W. Smith
-
- Hubbard Fractal Research Laboratory
- Cornell National Supercomputer Facility.
-
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-
- Date: Thu, 10 Nov 88 19:19:40 EST
- From: "Homer W. Smith" <CTM@CORNELLC>
- Subject: virus
-
-
- I am sorry. I just had a silly thought.
-
- The only way out of this mess is get out of the business.
-
- Once the Russians and Americans realize that there is no
- saftey in computer controlled Nuclear Weapons they will
- disarm them faster than you can say, 'Well what do you know!'
-
- Homer
-
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-
- Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1988 20:49:43 EST
- From: Ken van Wyk <luken@spot.CC.Lehigh.EDU>
- Subject: Opinion on Internet Worm ramifications
-
-
- I hope that, if nothing else, the Internet Worm has opened the
- public's eyes (even more) to the dangers of viruses and worms. Robert
- Morris, Jr. (allegedly) wrote what was intended to be a simple
- experiment and it ended up costing thousands of dollars in manpower to
- stop. Of course, if he had meant to be malicious about it, he could
- have caused untold amounts of damage. This sounds sensationalistic
- (almost as if it should've been in the press...), but the fact is that
- it is true. RTM's intent wasn't to do damage; merely to satisfy
- intellectual curiousity by proving that it could be done. A person
- with his knowledge could've destroyed more work than anyone will ever
- know.
-
- Unfortunately, the realist (read: pessimist) in me says that the worm
- will not only open the public's eyes to the problem, but it will
- probably increase its paranoia. People will grow to distrust the
- networks and will be (at least) hesitant to share information and
- programs. If this case ends up decreasing the usefulness of the
- networks, or even abolishing them altogether, then this "harmless"
- worm will have done more damage than you and I can imagine. Everyone
- reading this knows how useful the networks are and how much of a
- disaster it would be if they were gone. William Murray told me of an
- interesting analogy in which some kids in New York city were setting
- off fire alarms in their boredom; it made lots of noise, and they got
- to see a show when the fire trucks came roaring down the street.
- Pretty soon the dispatchers starting not trusting the fire alarms
- until one day a large building (I can't remember which) burned to the
- ground after several alarms in the building were set off and
- subsequently ignored by the dispatcher. Of course, fire alarms are
- great and should be used, but if they're not to be trusted, then their
- utility is greatly diminished. It would certainly be a travesty if
- the networks were to share the same fate.
-
- Ken
-
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-
- Date: THU NOV 10, 1988 23.54.29 EST
- From: "David A. Bader" <DAB3@LEHIGH>
- Subject: Wozniak vs. Cohen
-
- I think that the Stephen Wozniak / Fred Cohen debate on ABC tonight is
- a lot better than the presidential debates! :-)
-
- Anyway, what do we, the computer experts, feel about these ideas on
- viruses affecting other private systems (is it real, or just a media
- "hacking" good or bad?
-
- -David Bader
- DAB3@LEHIGH
-
- [Ed. Ack! I missed the debate (L.A. Law...)! Does anyone have it on
- video tape, and/or could someone please post a summary of what was
- discussed?]
-
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-
- Date: 10 November 88, 20:14:13 MEZ
- From: Otto Stolz +49 7531 88 2645 RZOTTO at DKNKURZ1
- Subject: Linguistic remark
-
- Hi gang,
-
- recently a fellow (sorry, I can't be more specific as I've been too
- quick with my DISCARD command) complained on the pseudo-plural form
- "virii". Sure, "virii" isn't appropriate, as it doesn't comply with
- the rules of any language -- but "viri" isn't right, either!
-
- "Virus" stems from the Latin language (meaning "slime"). It is one
- of the very, very rare words of neutral gender ending in "-us" and
- following the so called O-declination:
- virus (nom.)
- viri (gen.)
- viro (dat.)
- virus (acc. -- specific to neutral gender)
- viro (abl.)
-
- Normally, the neutral words in this scheme end in "-um", and the
- plural in "-a", while masculine words end in "-us" and "-i".
- Also in other cases, the plural of neutral words tends to end
- on "-a".
-
- Now, is the correct plural form "viri" or "vira"??
-
- In the book on Latin grammar available to me, the plural form of these
- neutral "-us" o-declination words isn't mentioned at all. After a
- while, I came to a conclusion: the only words of this kind I could
- find have no plural forms, at all! (There is no plural of "slime"
- either, is it? :-)
-
- Hence, if you need a plural for "virus", don't try to use a Latin (or
- pseudo-Latin :-) form -- "viruses" (English) or "Viren" (German) is
- definitely more appropriate.
-
- Btw: I prefer "virus strains".
-
- I hope I haven't annoyed you, and I definitely don't want to raise
- this to a regular VIRUS-L topic.
-
- Best regards to everybody who read up to this point
- Otto
-
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