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Computer Privacy Digest Thu, 30 Sep 93 Volume 3 : Issue: 051
Today's Topics: Moderator: Dennis G. Rears
Re: Computer Privacy Digest V3#050
GOPHER link to _Directory of Scholarly Electronic Conferences_
SSN privacy
The Computer Privacy Digest is a forum for discussion on the
effect of technology on privacy. The digest is moderated and
gatewayed into the USENET newsgroup comp.society.privacy
(Moderated). Submissions should be sent to
comp-privacy@pica.army.mil and administrative requests to
comp-privacy-request@pica.army.mil.
Back issues are available via anonymous ftp on ftp.pica.army.mil
[129.139.160.133].
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 10:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joel Levine <jlevine@eis.calstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Computer Privacy Digest V3#050
The following is a copy of a document that I was asked to sign at a
refinancing escrow. I was told by the lender that if I did not sign it I
would not receive the loan.
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
LBOA
064789-824
NORTH AMERICAN MORTGAGE COMPANY*
a Delaware corporation
BORROWER'S AUTHORIZATION
We hereby give our consent to have North American Mortgage Company, its
secondary market investors, or any credit reporting bureau which it may
designate, obtain any and all information concerning our employment,
checking and/or savings accounts, obligations, and all other credit
matters which they may require in connection with our application for a
loan and any quality control review of such loan. This form may be
reproduced or photocopied and a copy shall be as effective as the
original which we have signed.
borrower
borrower
x
borrower
borrower
date
I hereby certify this to be a true and correct copy of the original.
NORTH AMERICAN MORTGAGE COMPANY
Privacy Act Notice: This information is to be used by the agency
collecting it or its assignees in determining whether you qualify as a
prospective mortgagor under its program. It will not be disclosed
outside the agency except as required and permitted by law. You do not
have to provide this information, but if you do not your application
for approval as a prospective mortgagor or borrower may be delayed or
rejected. The information requested in this form is authorized by
Title 38, USC, Chapter 37 (if VA); by 12 USC, Section 1701 et. seq.
-More-(if HUD/FHA); by 42 USC, Section 145b (if HUD/CPD); and title 42 USC,
1471 et.seq. or 7 USC, 1921 et.seq. (if USDA/FmHA).
HUD NOTICE
Notice to Borrowers: This is notice to you as required by the Right to
Financial Privacy Act of 1978 that HUD/FHA has a right of access to
financial records held by financial institutions in connection with the
consideration or administration of assistance to you. Financial
records involving your transaction will be available to HUD/FHA without
further notice or authorization but will not be disclosed or released
by this institution to another Government Agency or Department without
your consent except as required or permitted by law.
VERSION 3.0 (02/02/93) LLT19USA
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
My objection is that the authorization is too broad. It does not limit
the verification of "pertinent data" to that point in time that I
applied for the loan. This document authorizes the future examination
of then current "... information concerning our employment, checking
and/or savings accounts, obligations, and all other credit matters" and
does so for the life of the loan (as long as thirty years).
It is clear to me that the lender wants to be able to sell this loan on
the secondary mortgage market. It is also clear to me that any
purchaser of loans is vitally interested in the borrowers repayment
history and the probability that in the future the they will continue
to pay as promised. I have no problem with my payment history being
available to the secondary market however, other current, non-public
data is none of their business. This authorization provides assurance
to the secondary mortgage market at the expense of my privacy.
I submitted an addendum to the above authorization to the lender
clarifying that any verifications of data would be restricted to that
data then available from the time of loan application to the closing of
escrow, and the requirement that any persons or agencys notify me of
their disclosure of my data. The lender refused any modification to the
authorization.
The loan in question is conforming, thirty year fixed, and prepared to
FREDDI MAC/FANNI MAE standards. This means that most current or future
homeowners/borrowers will be faced with this same document when they
sit down in escrow.
Your comments will be appreciated.
Joel Levine
[Moderator's Note: Basically the lender wants you to sign the document
as is. He really doesn't care about your privacy; all he cares about his
ability to assign the mortgage. You really don't have any choice unless
you don't want a mortgage. ._dennis ]
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 21:17:44 EST
From: Diane Kovacs <DKOVACS@kentvm.kent.edu>
Subject: GOPHER link to _Directory of Scholarly Electronic Conferences_
Please feel free to add Gopher to the list of ways one can retrieve
The _Directory of Scholarly Electronic Conferences_
Type=1
Name=Directory of Scholarly Electronic Conferences
Path=1/Computing/Internet Information/Directory of Scholarly Electronic
Conferences
Host=gopher.usask.ca
Port=70
--
Earl Fogel
Computing Services phone: (306) 966-4861
University of Saskatchewan email: earl.fogel@usask.ca
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 15:13 GMT
From: Vincent Broerman <0005461808@mcimail.com>
Subject: SSN privacy
I do not quite understand. Most of it is probably due to my ignorance
regarding hacking and hacking procedures. However, why is SSN privacy such a
big deal. Quite simply, how easy is it for a hacker to "break" into the
social security database and "steal" all of my money/records?
Can someone enlighten me?
Hasta la bye bye....
Vince
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End of Computer Privacy Digest V3 #051
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