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 * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference"
 * Originally by Errol Bruce-knapp
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 23 Jul 1994, 11:30

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The following posts are the first three parts of 'The Carp Case',
published in the March, May & July 1994 issues of
'THE MUFON ONTARIO NEWSLETTER'.



 All correspondence should be addressed to:
 Victor Lourenco - Provincial Director, MUFON Ontario
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 Mississaugua, Ontario, L5L 5W4
 Canada.


               The Carp Case - The MUFON Ontario Version - Part 1.

    Tom Theofanous was an investigator with CUFORN,  in  Toronto,  from
1987 to 1992.    He and his wife,  Lise,  have been with MUFON  Ontario
since then.  Tom is now Deputy Director of MUFON Ontario, in Toronto.


     This case has had much coverage in the media.   Tabloid television
shows  like  'Unsolved Mysteries',  'Sightings' and  'Encounters'  have
given  it  much  air-time,  as have cable-tv stations  all  over  North
America.

     Internationally,   magazines  newspapers  and  news-letters   have
devoted  hundreds of pages to it and UFO conferences around the  planet
have  intrigued  many  thousands  of  attendees  with  it's   seemingly
startling details.

     'Carp'  has  achieved 'One Of The Most Significant  Cases  In  UFO
History'  status.    You've  probably heard,  seen and  read  about  it
yourself.

     In  this  and succeeding issues we'll deal with the FACTS  of  the
case.  We'll  describe the events,  as  told by the media and as  we've
experienced them - and we'll try not appear too judgemental.

Beginnings - 1989
     Tom  Theofanous,  working with The Canadian UFO  Research  Network
(CUFORN),   received   a  package  from  someone   calling   themselves
'Guardian'.   It had no return address.

     "The  package contained a story about a UFO crash that  supposedly
happened close to Carlton Place,  which is about a half-hour drive from
Ottawa",  Tom  said.    "There  was also a photo-copied picture  of  an
Alien."

     "For  the  most part,  we thought it was  a  joke.    But,  CUFORN
director Harry Tokarz decided to call Arthur Bray, a well-respected UFO
author  and  researcher  who lives in Ottawa,  and ask him  if  he  had
someone in the Carlton area who could check out the story for us.    As
luck  would  have it,  Arthur knew a fellow who was fascinated  by  the
field of ufology, Graham Lightfoot."

     Graham,  with  what was to become typical thoroughness,  used  the
somewhat  sketchy  co-ordinates  he got from Arthur Bray  to  not  only
pinpoint  the 'UFO crash-site' near Manion Corners,  but also locate  a
number of witnesses.

     One of those witnesses,  Diane Labanek,  claimed that on the night
of November 4th 1989,  she saw an intense,  bright light pass overhead,
heading towards a swamp at the far end of the field behind and south of
her  home.  She  said  she also saw several  helicopters  earlier  that
evening using bright lights to scan the area.

     Another  West Carlton resident recalled that that was the  weekend
when  some cattle escaped from a nearby pasture and that it  took  till
late Sunday to round them up.

     A couple told Graham about the wife being scared by a very  bright
light shone through their south-facing bathroom window.    "It  reached
right  down our hallway!".   The wife also mentioned that  she  vaguely
remembered hearing the sound of helicopters at the time.

     Others talked of "dogs and cattle being disturbed".

     Many  people could think of absolutely nothing  unusual  happening
during  the  course  of  the weekend,  including a  couple  who  had  a
telescope set-up.

     Graham  reported those findings to CUFORN,  along with results  of
his  examination of the field and swamp behind Labanek's home  -  there
were  no signs on the ground,  anywhere,  of the heavy  equipment  that
would be needed to recover a 'crashed craft'.

     His report closed with,  "although I could find nothing conclusive
to support or disprove any of the witnesses claims.  I shall check back
around the area later this summer."

     The  same  Guardian  material  had  been  sent  to  several  other
investigators, researchers and UFO groups and as the story spread, both
the  former Provincial Director of MUFON Ontario Clive Nadin,  and  the
current  Quebec Director Christian Page,  visited the area on  separate
occasions,  and  spoke  to the 'witnesses'.    They  confirmed  Graham
Lightfoot's initial findings and agreed with Tom & Harry at CUFORN that
someone was "trying to put us on - a hoax!"

Guardian re-surfaces - 1991
     In the middle of October 1991 CUFORN began receiving more Guardian
'information' via the mail and all postmarked 'Ottawa'.

     An  envelope  with  some documents  that  mention  a  'conspiracy'
between  the Chinese and  'Grey Aliens that are planning to  take  over
the world', arrived first.   Then came a Polaroid photograph of a 'UFO'
flying across an unidentified road.  A while later came a black & white
picture of a grey-type 'Alien'.

     The  fourth delivery in the series was a package.    It  contained
the  now  infamous VHS video tape with a green label on  the  cassette,
with a thumb print and the word GUARDIAN printed on the label.

     There were also three playing cards in the package,  all with hand
written notes on them - an Ace, King and Joker.

     A  photo-copied map showed the 'Grey's landing area',  along  with
notes  explaining  that the flares in the video were used to  help  the
UFO,  which  can out maneuver anything on the planet,  fly  under  the
radar and know where to land!

     There   were  also  'Canadian  Department  of   National   Defense
documents'  enclosed - which,  upon later investigation,  proved to  be
forgeries.

     These 'documents',  it is thought,  were designed to look like the
official documents on UFOs that Canadian UFO author/researcher  Stanton
Friedman  acquired,  via  'The Freedom of Information  Act',  from  the
United States Government.

     The  video - a few minutes long - showed two different  angles  of
what Guardian alleges was an 'alien craft', on the ground.

     First,  a long shot of bright lights clumped together to the right
of  the  scene and what looked like four red emergency road  flares  or
fires in barrels on the left side of the screen.

     The  second  scene  showed the same clump of  bright  lights  from
approximately  the  same distance but more to the  centre  without  any
flares and the sound of a single dog barking in the distance.

     The third scene was only three frames long and was a close-up of a
a pair of wipers half-way across a very Earth-bound vehicle!

     CUFORN pondered what to do with all the Guardian information  that
arrived  in October of '91 and decided,  that in view of the  season  -
winter,  that  they  would hold off visiting Carlton  until  after  the
spring run-off.

Enter Oechsler
     At the beginning of March '92, Bob Oechsler (pronounced Bob Ex-ler)
an American MUFON investigator - who describes himself a  'former  NASA
mission specialist'  - called CUFORN from his home in Maryland.

     Apparently,  he  too  had  received a  video  and  documents  from
Guardian,  although when comparisons of the two videos were  discussed,
his had an additional scene - a somewhat closer one minute shot of  the
'alien craft'.

     His version also had a couple of minutes worth of the  windshield,
plus several still shots of the 'Grey Aliens'.

     The most important difference,  however,  was that his version  of
the  tape  had no audio-track at all - "it seems it  was  intentionally
removed", says Tom Theofanous.

     Oechsler had shown the tape to Bruce Macabbee and they agreed  that
what they saw was a UFO and should be investigated further - and that's
why  Oechsler  called Tom at CUFORN.   They agreed they would  meet  in
Carlton, Ontario on May 10th 1992.

     Tom  then called and spoke with Graham Lightfoot,  for  the  first
time, and Graham agreed to act as guide for the May meeting.

     It  transpired  that  Graham worked for The O.F.A  -  The  Ontario
Federation  of Agriculture - and knew the Carlton area and its  farmers
well.

The First Visit
     On  May  10th,  Mother's  Day,  1991,  Torontonians,  Tom  &  Lise
Theofanous,  Victor  Lourenco,  Vaughn [LAST NAME?],  Drew  Williamson,
Harry Tokarz and Wayne St.  John met with Oechsler,  his son and Graham
Lightfoot  at the motel the Oechslers were staying at in West  Carlton,
near Ottawa, Ontario.

     They  all  had  breakfast together as  Oechsler  told  many,  many
fascinating  stories.    Eventually they ended up in  Oechsler's  motel
room to compare their copies of the Guardian video.

     "Oechsler,  despite being an expert in video analysis, had a great
deal  of difficulty connecting my video camera up to the tv set in  his
room  so that we could play back the Guardian videos.   In  retrospect,
his combination of technical ineptness and more story telling seemed to
be a stalling tactic", said Tom.

[continued]

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 * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference"
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 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 23 Jul 1994, 11:31

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     They  stopped  at  a spot off Highway 7 near  Manion  Corners  and
Graham  pointed  out the direction from which the 1989 'UFO'  had  come
when  it 'crashed',  and where the Labanek's house was in  relation  to
where the group was standing.

     Oechsler  seemed  to  be stalling once  more,  shooting  video  of
everything.

     Finally, they set off again.

     "This  time  Oechsler took the lead,  with me  following  him  and
Graham  who's supposed to be our guide following me!"   Tom  says.   "I
thought at the time that this was pretty odd.    How did Oechsler,  who
supposedly had never been to Canada,  let alone this area before,  know
his  way,  using  side-roads  and making the correct  turns toward  our
destination?"

     Earlier,  Oechsler  had  asked  the Toronto  group  to  check  for
anomalies  on  their compasses while they  were  driving,  because  the
Guardian papers described magnetic changes in certain parts of the area
the group was travelling in.

     "So, we're driving down a small hill when Oechsler braked suddenly
up ahead of us, stopped and came back to our car to tell me that he had
found an anomaly on his two compasses", Tom recounts, "now, he had both
of his laying in the back of his pick-up on the metal floor where  they
were  bouncing around.    His son was keeping an eye on them  from  the
cab.  I told him that the three compasses,  we were holding in the palms
of our hands,  in our car didn't waver at all.    But, he insisted that
he'd go back up the hill, by himself, and check again."

     While  the  rest of the group stood around waiting  for  Oechsler,
Drew  Williamson  noticed  a Stop-sign at the end of  a  long  driveway
leading to an abandoned farmhouse with a For-Sale sign on it.

     Tom  continues - "I looked through my binoculars at the  Stop-sign
and  saw  that it was propped up by rocks.    There  were  other  signs
around it that read 'Do Not Enter' and 'DND Killing Fields'.   The last
one  had  pictographs  of tanks,  helicopters and  weapons  on  it  and
appeared to be riddled with bullet-holes.

     "So,  out of curiosity, we went over to the signs and looked  more
closely."

     "We  found  tracks  left by cars and what might  have  been  four-
wheeled vehicles, leading into the property.   We felt that perhaps the
field  around  the old farm house was being used for 'War Games'  -  or
maybe even was the location used for the Guardian video."

     "Why?   Because the terrain was perfect - lots (200 acres) of open
field.   I also noticed a dog barking up at the house at the top of the
hill." said Tom.

     This  would become significant later in identifying  the  possible
location of the Guardian video shoot.

     "Eventually,  we  continued  along Corkery  Road.    But,  when  I
mentioned to Oechsler that we should be interviewing the people in  the
neighbourhood  we  were passing,  who were out sitting in  their  front
gardens  or working on their lawns,  he insisted that we look  for  the
'crash' or 'landing' sites."

     Guardian's  map  described an area about one and a  quarter  miles
square, which consisted of dense, knee-high scrub, and wet, swampland.

     The  group  headed toward it,  using a path  beneath  high-tension
power transmission lines that cut across below the southern end of  the
Labanek's property.

     Most  of them had great difficulty with the rough  conditions  and
became  very  tired,  annoyed by biting mosquitoes and  soaked  by  the
swampy  ground.  They gave about a half way into the swamp  and  headed
back to the back to the parking lot.

     Tom picks up the story again:   "Bob and his son continued to look
for  the landing site as the rest of us left the swamp in a  couple  of
different groups.   Lise,  Drew,  Wayne and I left first and drove  off
looking for a drink of cold pop."

     "When  we got back to the parking lot twenty  minutes  later,  the
second  group out had left a note on our windshield saying they'd  meet
us at a restaurant twenty minutes away in Carp.   We left a note on the
Oechsler's truck windshield telling them where we'd be.

     "The first of our group to arrive at the restaurant ordered  their
food  and  twenty minutes later the rest of us arrived and  placed  our
orders."

     "Thirty  minutes  later,  as  Oechsler and his  son  were  walking
through the door, I jokingly said: I bet he'll say he found the spot!"

     "As  he sat down,  I asked him what had happened.   He smiled  and
said he'd found the spot."

     "I asked how he'd managed to do that when we'd left him a about  a
mile  from his car in a dense swamp halfway to the alleged site and  it
was getting dark.    There simply hadn't been enough time to get  there
examine  the  'site'  and get back out to his truck and  drive  to  the
restaurant.   He just smiled, but didn't answer."

     After they finished their dinner,  Drew, Victor and Vaughn decided
to leave for Toronto.

     Graham  suggested  that  the  remainder  should  go  talk  to  the
Labanek,  and he and Harry left ahead of Tom & Lise and the Oechslers,
since Oechsler senior was still eating.    The seven of them would meet
at the corner by the Labaneks.

     "Lise,  Wayne  and I confronted Oechsler out in the  parking  lot,
where the three of us had gone to discuss the days events privately."

     "I  asked him what he was trying to pull here.    He responded  by
asking  "what's wrong with trying to make a buck?",   I  answered  that
there  was  nothing  wrong  with making money  as  long  as  we  didn't
compromise our ethics."

     "Oechsler  came back with:  "No matter what or how good the  story
is,  50% of the people will believe you,  50% wont.    All you have  to
care about is the 50% that will".

     "It was at that point",  recalls Tom, "that I decided to back away
from the investigation for a while to see what Oechsler would do."

     They  joined the others at Manion Corner by the Labaneks house  -
Graham had knocked on their door but there was no one  home.  So,  they
waited, enjoying a pleasant early summer evening, talking.

     The  Labaneks didn't get home till after 10 p.m,  which the  group
felt was late to do an interview.   Graham and Oechsler would come  back
the next morning and talk to them

     Tom finishes up this part of the story:  "I told Graham about  the
conversation  that  I  had in the parking lot of  the  restaurant  with
Oechsler, after he left the restaurant.   Then Lise, Harry, Wayne and I
left for Toronto, shaking our heads."

End of Part One.



               The Carp Case - The MUFON Ontario Version - Part 2.***

*The following morning, Graham Lightfoot, Oechsler and his son met
and drove to the Labanek's home at Manion Corners near Carp, Ontario.
Graham reintroduced himself and asked Diane Labanek if she remembered
him.  "Vaguely" she said, and then remembered their conversation about
a bright light that had headed towards the swamp at the bottom of her
field back in 1990.

*When asked if she had seen anything strange since then, she
described an event that happened in their field.  It seems she was
putting her children to bed one night in August 1991 and something
caught here eye from the second floor bedroom.

*Labanek described seeing what she thought was a fire, or perhaps
flares burning at the far end of the field behind the house and as she
watched, a 'craft' landed next to the fire/flares.  "After a few
minutes, maybe five or eight, the very bright lights on the craft went
out - just like you turn off a light-bulb.  And soon after, the flares
went out.  Then some minutes later, a helicopter came and hovered over
the area - like they were looking for something" she said.

*When she was asked later why she hadn't called the fire
department about a 'fire' burning in her field, which was tinder dry
in the August heat, she replied "I didn't think that anyone would
believe and I thought I'd get into trouble!"

*On Oechsler's next visit to the Labanek's, she was asked to draw
what she had seen.  She drew a craft that she described as being
silver/grey, with a zigzag design around it, sitting on three blocks
which, coincidently, matched a drawing that was in one of the Guardian
packages (see MUFON Ontario Newsletter, Volume 1.1, page 14) - a
drawing that she maintained she'd never seen.

*Labanek was able to see an object and details that were over 2200
feet away in the dark and brightly lit from the bottom up.  Guardian's
video camera, which was closer, couldn't see the 'thunderbolt
insignia' around the 'craft' or the three 'blocks' beneath the craft.
The video clearly shows the 'craft' to be red and not silver/grey.


MORE ON GUARDIAN'S VIDEO

*In the version of Guardians video that was sent to CUFORN, the
Canadian UFO Research Network, the last three frames show a windshield
with the wiper blades in an upright position.  Why would Guardian put
those frames that appear to have been shot at night with artificial
light, on the tape?  Were those frames designed to give a clue as to
what the craft really was?

[continued]

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 * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference"
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 * Originally dated 23 Jul 1994, 11:33

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[continues - post 03]

*In the course of one of many discussions between the
investigators, Tom Theofanous asked Oechsler what he thought about the
windshield footage on Guardian's video.  Oechsler replied that it
wasn't a windshield but rather the design on the side of the 'craft'.
Tom asked how he'd come to that conclusion?  Oechsler replied "Well
there's Diane's evidence together with my expertise in analysis -
that's how."

*Oechsler had once again brought up his 'qualifications and
expertise', which he seemingly did and still does at the drop of a
hat.  Unfortunately, Oechsler's qualifications on the subject of
windshields were definitely non-existent when compared to Tom's - he's
been running a windshield repair company for the past seven years!
*

FIELD INVESTIGATOR OECHSLER

*Oechsler and Graham went out to the field after their first talk
with Diane Labanek.  The previous night, at a restaurant, Oechsler had
claimed that he had found the 'landing site' and now insisted that
they look for 'evidence'.  He spotted an area of grass that had been
"dug up during the landing".  Graham, who works for the Ontario
Federation of Agriculture, patiently explained that skunks caused that
kind of damage while looking for grubs.

*Oechsler's biography touts his experience in dealing with the UFO
phenomenon and his expertise in 'field work', an expertise not on
display that day.  "He seemed not to know what he was looking for or
anything much about country nature" Graham observed later.

*Oechsler's inexperience continued to make to show as he pointed
to vegetation that had "been treated with microwave radiation"!  How
did he come to that conclusion without using any instruments?  "It's
very dry and brittle, so it's obviously been irradiated" Oechsler
said.
*
*The 'irradiated' plants were Juniper bushes that always look that
way after a Canadian winter - bleached, dried and flattened by heavy
snow, probably in much the same way as in Maryland, Oechsler's
home-state .

*Graham and Oechsler continued to examine what Oechsler was
convinced was the landing site.  He then asked Graham if he had
anything to put samples in.  Graham thought that it was extremely odd
that an investigator of Oechsler's 'calibre' would show up with no
sample containers and handed over some empty film canisters for
Oechsler's samples.

*On returning to Labanek's house later that day, Labanek told them
that her husband Bill had "gone for milk" at around 10:00pm on the
evening of the 'landing' and had missed it.  Bill Labanek had been
doing a 'milk-run' on the night in 1989 when there had been a 'crash'
in their swamp.

*He didn't seem to be at all concerned about what had transpired
on his property on either occasion.  He didn't bother to take the time
to go look at the spot which his wife said had been a 'UFO landing
site'.

*Diane Labanek claims to have gone only part way into the field
the day after the 'landing', looked briefly in the direction of the
'landing site', didn't see anything, and walked back to the house.

*She had told no one about what she saw that night until Graham
and Oechsler asked her about it.

*Why didn't she walk the remaining couple of hundred yards to where
this 'amazing event' took place?  She says that it was a beautiful
summer evening too.

*That evening Graham called Tom in Toronto and recounted the days
events.  They discussed Oechsler and his amateurish approach to the
investigation and observed that a pattern seemed to be emerging.  It
seemed that Oechsler was incompetent, egocentric and attempting to
steer the case and its facts to fit in with his own agenda.


HELICOPTERS

*As a follow-up to Diane Labanek's assertions about helicopter
activity following the 'landing', Investigator Drew Williamson called
the Department of National Defence (DND) on May 12, 1992.  He was told
that the military held exercises every August using helicopters and
that they had to get permission from landowners for the choppers to
land in their fields.  If an emergency were to arise and a helicopter
had to land DND would pay compensation for any damage caused.

*On July 12, 1992, Graham made a number of calls to various
military establishments to get information on helicopter activity.  He
was told that they don't use flares during landings at night, but do
use Chem-Sticks that glow in the dark.  Captain Mark Bigoutte said
that although choppers were on exercise on August 19, 1991, they were
many miles to the west of Manion Corners.
**                               ***
*On July 14, 1992 Oechsler arrived back at Graham's place and the
next day they went to Uplands Royal Canadian Airforce base and showed
Colonel Cajo Brando and Major Norm Patterson the Guardian video - over
and over.

*Colonel Brando didn't think it was a helicopter and when shown a
photograph taken by one of the Labanek children of a Huey Helicopter
that Diane Labanek maintained had 'buzzed' their home after the
'landing', he said, "It's not one ours, they were decommissioned
(taken out of active-service) two years ago."

*Brando suggested that it may have been an American chopper that
had come across the border without notifying Canadian authorities -
something which, apparently, happens often.

*Later that day, Graham and Oechsler returned to the Labanek's and
collected some fifteen soil and plant samples from the supposed
'landing' site.   On a radio call-in show, March 30th '93, Oechsler
claimed to have collected "over a hundred samples from all over the
area"!


UNSOLVED MYSTERIES

*Oechsler, in a conversation with Graham and Tom expressed
interest in getting the case on the 'Unsolved Mysteries' tv show,
feeling that it might flush Guardian out.   Tom countered that it
might be better to further investigate the claims of the 'witnesses'
before giving the case national tv exposure.

*What neither Tom nor Graham knew at the time, was that Oechsler
had already gone ahead and made a deal with Unsolved Mysteries to
shoot a segment on the Carp Case in the fall.
***
*In the following three months preparations were made for the
shooting of the 'Unsolved' segment with Graham received many calls from
and eventually met the tv show's Bob Kiviat and Bob Wise.
****
*Oechsler flew into Ottawa in mid October 1992 with the 'Unsolved'
crew and interviewed Major Patterson about the Guardian 'Documents'.

*Graham, feeling as he did about Oechsler's 'slant' on the case
was very reluctant to appear on the show and it took many calls from
various production people to eventually talk him into appearing.

*On November 15, 1992 participants in the Carp segment gathered at
General Assembly for the taping.  Graham met Bruce Macabbee for the
first time and, to use his words, "was not very impressed."  He put
his contribution 'in the can' the next day at the Labanek's.


GUARDIAN REVEALED

*In the course of a meeting on November 19, 1992 Graham learned
that a man named Andy Williams claimed that he knew who Guardian was.
Graham and Oechsler arranged to meet with Williams the next day in
Ottawa.  Andy Williams explained that a friend of many years, Bobby
Charlebois, had an on-going interest in UFOs and had called himself
'Guardian' over the course of those years.   He went on to give
details about Bobby Charlebois and his 'interests'.

*Oechsler, inexplicably, gave Andy Williams much material
regarding the Carp case.

*On November 22nd, Graham discovered that a co-worker knew Bobby
Charlebois well - his sister, Meg had dated the Guardian 'suspect'.
Graham talked with Meg and she confirmed that Charlebois was an avid
UFO buff and had discussed the phenomenon on many occasions in the
past.

*Despite having signed an 'exclusive' with Unsolved Mysteries to
not do another show until 30 days after their 'airing' of the Carp
Case, Oechsler records a segment for 'Sightings' in January of 1993
without telling Graham until after the fact.

*Interestingly, Dr. A.J. Quarington a 'witness' participates in
'Sightings' after refusing meet or even discuss the case with Graham
and Clive Nadin (the former Director of MUFON Ontario) in the early
stages of the investigation.


FINGERPRINTS

*On February 1, 1993 Oechsler and Graham meet with reporter Lois
Tuffin, who also knows Bobby Charlebois well.  Oechsler asked her to
deliver a large package of UFO material to Charlebois in the hopes of
getting his fingerprints.  She did so, but the package was returned to
her an hour later.

*The following day Oechsler collected the package from Lois and
took it to the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) to have it checked for
fingerprints.  There were none and the feeling was that Charlebois had
out-smarted them, wiping the package clean.  It seems that Charlebois
has something to hide.

[continued]

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*Diane Labanek, on hearing Bobby Charlebois name said that she had
known him "for a while" and that he was a good friend who visited
often.

*Oechsler asked her to try and get Charlebois' fingerprints from
any drinking glasses that he might use.  Labanek claimed that
Charlebois always wiped them clean.

End of Part Two.


               The Carp Case - The MUFON Ontario Version - Part 3.
****
*On February 4, 1993 Graham and Oechsler went to the Labanek's
where Leanne Cuzak interviewed Bob Oechsler and Diane Labanek for
CJOH-TV, Ottawa.

*During this interview Labanek claimed that "a lot of others had
seen the event that had transpired in my field".  She didn't, however,
seem to recall any names and in talking to many residents in the
Manion Corner area, MUFON Ontario has not been able to find any other
witnesses to the 'UFO Landing'.

*During the CJOH-TV interview that day Oechsler also claimed that
he too had received a large number of calls from 'witnesses'.  Graham
wasn't aware of any calls to the Labanek's or anywhere else other than
a few to Oechsler's hotel.

 *Later that day, Graham Lightfoot and Oechsler met with a couple
of high school girls in Almonte, a short drive from the Labanek's.
They had called the Unsolved Mysteries Hotline, which again Graham
wasn't aware of, to report that they knew who Guardian was.  The name
they gave wasn't Charlebois'.  Oechsler told them who Guardian was.
Oechsler, despite avowing not to, was blowing Guardian's cover'.

*On February 24, 1993, Labanek told Graham and Oechsler about a
sighting that her mother had the previous week.  Her mother had seen a
'craft' hovering "not fifty feet from the house" but was too scared at
the time to call out to anybody.

*Later Labanek claimed that her husband saw a 'craft' around the
same spot as the August '91 sighting.   There were no explanations as
to when or if there were any traces of this second 'landing'.

*Apparently, neither of these 'incidents' were of interest to
Oechsler and he has only mentioned them very briefly since and only in
passing!

*If these two events were 'real' why wouldn't he have investigated
them too, instead of making such a fuss about the 'evidence' that he'd
found nine months after the August '91 'landing'?  Labanek's mother's
and husband's 'experiences' would have surely produced more witnesses
and ground effects?!

*Labanek has constantly complained about being harassed by
'low-flying' helicopters that blew shingles off her roof.  When close
neighbours were questioned by MUFON Ontario investigators about any
low-flying choppers they might have observed, they only mentioned the
regular Air Ambulance flights that passed overhead and the occasional
military or Mountie aircraft. Not one mentioned choppers flying at
unusually low altitudes - below the regulation five-hundred feet.

*At the time of describing her mother's 'sighting' to Graham and
Oechsler, Labanek told of a white helicopter that passed over the
house the following day.  Subsequent investigation showed that it was
a NATO aircraft on a training-exercise and that it too would not have
been flying below the standard five-hundred foot level.

*Due to the proximity of the Labanek's neighbours it would be
impossible for a helicopter to fly low enough to blow the shingles off
one house and not be noticed by the residents of neighbouring houses.

*Labanek had told Graham that she knew nothing about UFOs, nor did
she care about them or talk about them with anyone.  And yet, when the
Unsolved Mysteries show was being taped at her home, one of the
'grips' on the crew setting up a scene (in which Guardian was mailing
a video) in Labanek's basement recreation room, found "cupboards
containing many UFO books".

*On February 28, 1993 Graham wrote the following to Bob Kiviat,
*producer of the Unexplained Mysteries segment on 'Guardian'.
*
*
**Bob Kiviat, Producer
**Cosgrove/ Meurer Productions
        *etc.

        *Dear Bob,

        **No doubt you've heard from Oechsler that there has been
        *another sighting at Labanek's... on Feb 17th '93.   It was
        *Diane's mother who saw the event at 11:10 pm, very close to
        *the house.   She was so frightened that she didn't call to
        *Diane and no one else saw it.  She said the craft was right
        *over the garden which means it was within 50 feet of the
        *house.   It hovered there for a short while and moved south
        *over the swamp, in the direction that the 1989 'crash' light
        *was seen.   It came back beside the house and then moved off
        *out of sight over the swamp.   She described it as having a
        *flashing light on top and lots of light all around it.   She
        *pulled the curtains from the window, but didn't wake anyone
        *else in the house.   The next day a white helicopter arrived
        *and flew over the same course.

        **Oechsler may or may not have told you he is working
       *with the RCMP in trying to get Guardian's (Bobby
       *Charlesbois) fingerprints.   He tells me he is trying to get
       *the RCMP to charge Bobby with a minor charge of forging DND
       *documents to scare him into an admission.   This is contrary
       *to Oechsler's stated intent to Bobby, of not disclosing
       *Bobby's identity if he wished to remain anonymous.
       *
       **I am trusting you to keep my comments to you in
    **confidence from Oechsler as I will no doubt be working with
    **him again on this case.   I have no problem working with him
    **at arms length, but his methods and rather chaotic behavior
    **bothers me.   He has told me that he wants to set up a
    **24-hours a day, two week watch at the the Labanek's since he
    **feels the sightings will re-occur in the near future.   He
    **has no funding for this operation and told me he will seek
    **help from your company in this regard.
    *
*    **This may all be a good idea, but my feeling is that
  **these things will run their course, with or without 24-hour
  **surveillance.   In fact I'd hazard a guess that the event is
  **less likely to occur with surveillance.
  *
  ***I've heard through the grapevine that the 'expert' on
  **the Sightings show claims he doesn't know who Oechsler is,
  **never met him.   It seems Sightings showed the tape to this
  **'expert' and he said he didn't know what it was.   Also
  **MUFON is distancing itself from Oechsler after their
  **credibility suffered with the Gulf Breeze story.   It seems
  **Oechsler wants to speak at their annual meeting and they
  **don't want him there.
  *
  ***Oechsler has a lot of background information and he
**certainly has a lot of contacts that are invaluable in doing
**research of this nature.   He is persistent in looking for
**evidence, yet at the same time he often tries to build a
**case to fit his preconceived story line.
*
***This bothers me.
**
***We have talked about his ego and wanting credit for
**everything he learns.   That's OK by me.   In the Labanek
**case he used a lot of material that I got for him. The show
**implied that he found Labanek's place from the Guardian map.
**He could have spent weeks looking for the location on his
**own.
*
***But what bothers me the most is his tunnel vision, that
**only he can find the answers.
        *
******- Graham Lightfoot
*

*On March 4, '93, Oechsler phoned Graham to boast that he had
asked the RCMP to apply pressure the Guardian suspect, Bobby
Charlebois, by charging him with forging Department of National
Defence documents.

*In actual fact, the only way the RCMP would have paid any
attention would have been if a formal complaint was filed by a
Canadian Citizen.

*What Oechsler didn't tell Graham was that a complaint was lodged
by the Labaneks who told the RCMP that they were being 'harassed' by
helicopters flying over their property, below the 500 feet minimum set
by the Federal Government.

*March 8, brought a call from Labanek to Graham.  She complained
about being 'harassed' by the RCMP. She said that they tried to get
her to sign a 'confession' ( her word ) that craft she saw landing in
her field on the night of August 18, 1991  was a helicopter!   She
also claimed that Bobby 'Guardian' Charlebois was also being
'harassed' by the Mounties and had hired a lawyer.

*Graham, at the time, was convinced that Labanek was telling the
truth and felt that something should be done about her complaints. He
called Charlie Greenwell at CJOH-TV in Ottawa and suggested that
perhaps the station could cover the story on their local news.  A
report aired three days later on the 6 O'clock News.

*CJOH-TV's news item infuriated Oechsler.  On March 29, he blasted
Graham for giving the story to a TV station.  This puzzled Graham -
why would Oechsler take exception to him helping Labanek expose RCMP
harassment?

[continued]

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U
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*What Graham didn't know was that the complaint to the Mounties
was lodged by the Labaneks, apparently at the urging of Oechsler, to
increase the credibility of the Carp Case.
*
     A censored copy of the RCMP report on the case, obtained by
Christian Page of The Mutual UFO Network (MufoN) in Quebec, told a
different story.

*The Labanek's complaint was actually filed with the RCMP on
February 10, 1993! The purpose of the investigation was to:

     [Quote from RCMP Report ]

*1.*ascertain if sufficient evidence was available to support a
**prosecution under the Aeronautics Act, Section 534 (2) (b)
**for flying below 500 feet
*
*2. *ascertain if in fact the object observed was an aircraft
*
*3.*ascertain if the craft observed (by complainant) is a UFO
**(as per complainant).

     [End Quote]

*The investigation by RCMP Constable De Haitre, started on
February 15, 1993 with interviews of the Labanek's neighbours.

*De Haitre found that signs bearing the words 'Defence Canada',
'Killing Fields', and a 'Test Area' sign with a hand-painted tank and
'Air-Wolf' helicopter on it had been seen in a field that later proved
to be owned by the Labanek's.  Const. De Haitre observed in his report
that the lettering-style on the signs was similar to those in the
Guardian documents.

*Constable De Haitre was told by one of the Labaneks neighbours
that another sign had the word 'Nuclear' mis-spelled as 'Nucleear'.

*Oechsler then directed his energies toward De Haitre and Canadian
Airforce Major Patterson - which created more confusion.

*Oechsler told Constable De Haitre about finding Titanium at the
'landing site' in the Labanek's field and showed him some of the
photographs that he had taken.  He also told De Haitre that there were
no traces of Strontium, which there would have been had the flares at
the 'site' been of the military 'high-heat', type.

*Later, in the February/March issue of UFO Library Magazine,
Oechsler wrote that he "had the smoking-gun in the pyrotechnical
mystery".  He now claimed that there was evidence of Lithium Carbonate
which is not used in military flares, but rather in "expensive
fireworks displays" (or perhaps in roadside emergency flares?).
Fireworks that, of course, can be purchased at any 7-11 Store.

*Isn't it strange that he would wait a whole year to tell the
world the results of his 'tests'?

*Oechsler had results of a test that refuted his completely baseless
theory about military flares being used at the Carp 'landing site' and
didn't publish them for over a year?

*And what did he do during that time?  He travelled the lecture
circuit making money telling people that the flares were definitely
military in origin because of the strontium residue that he didn't
find at the 'landing site'!

*Oechsler tried to cement his relationship with the RCMP.  He told
Constable De Haitre about his 'witnesses' and his 'analysis' of the
Guardian video and suggested that Bobby 'Guardian' Charlebois be
charged under the  'Fraudulent Cheque Act' for distributing forged
Government documents (the 'Canadian Department of National Defence'
documents).  De Haitre concluded that no charges could be laid.

*De Haitre investigated Oechsler's claims about Titanium and
Strontium flare-residue and included the results about the
circumstances under which they could and could not be found and where,
in the final RCMP report on the case.

* Several conversations and correspondence occurred between
Oechsler and Constable De Haitre, all of which the Mountie,
naturally, recorded in his notes on the case.

*MUFON Ontario has recently acquired a 150 page package of De
Haitre's notes and correspondence from Oechsler to the RCMP.  This
package will be published shortly, as an appendix, in The MUFON
Ontario Report on The Guardian Case.
*
End of Part 3.
*
_____________________

I apologise for any confusion created by the Part/Post numbers - it's
the fuzzy Saturday Morning Syndrome!

Errol.

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