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- From: ab801@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory)
- Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranet.science
- Subject: Re: EON - 4: The truth George Pink
- Date: 8 Jun 1996 01:27:31 -0400
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- Ah, Gary, as time goes on you show your stripes as a genuinely studious man.
- Just watch your adjectives <G> and ignore the fanatics. This IS fun.....
-
- Gary Jones <gary@bohr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
- > People have reported all sorts of weird things: alien abduction,
- > miraculous healing by psychic surgeons, psychic spoon bending, weeping
- > madonnas, retrospectively-reported premonitions, milk-drinking hindu
- > idols... the list is endless. What accounts for these claims? I don't
- > know.
-
- Excellent. The fundamental statement of a scientist. Refreshing to see.
-
- > In certain cases, like the spoon bending, simple and deliberate
- > fraud is the best explanation, but in other cases, notably the alien
- > abduction stories, something much more complicated is going on, but I
- > don't for a moment believe that the events described have any physical
- > reality,
-
- Mmmm. This is not true. Numerous photographic records show objects that are
- no less mysterious than the eyewitness accounts. They can be lights in the
- lens, a distant airplane/balloon. There is definitely something physical
- happening. Remember you are arguing with a bunch of people who are looking
- to undercut your arguments on the pettiest of points. Don't make generalized
- statements like the one above. The only effect it has is to suggest that
- people are "crazy". May be true <g> but no use comes from saying it.....
-
- > I agree that UFO claims should be investigated: up to a point.
-
- Just as long as other people are free to choose where the "point" is, that
- sounds just fine. Most observations CAN be explained. I've discovered some
- VERY interesting geological facts from someone investigating the Bermuda
- Triangle. Have you heard about the suspected activity in the anhydrous layer
- of the seabed? Fascinating. And NOT "paranormal".
-
- > The investigations of these events often reveal grossly misleading
- > reporting by those claiming support for exotic phenomena.
-
- Yes. Always suspect the motives and integrity of someone who is trying to
- make a buck. Carl Sagan is a scientist who makes his living from science.
- His devotion to not seeing science misused is not driven by money. I can
- believe Carl, I can't believe the guy who is trying to scrape together
- something sensational enough to sell more newspapers for his livelihood.
-
- > I am largely convinced by the writers who contribute to the Skeptical
- > Inquirer. I find their rational approach to investigating possible
- > explanations for apparently bizarre events wholly compelling.
-
- The only problem I have with people like Randi, and its only a small one, is
- that they investigate the highest profile and most widely reported cases,
- which usually means that someone has at the very least exaggerated their
- observations to make money, if not outright made the whole thing up.
-
- > I am, of
- > course, exposed to the paranormalist side of the story: today's media
- > are full of it.
-
- *GAG ME WITH A SPOON* Yeah, today's media is "full of it", but not anything
- I would take seriously. I hope that THAT is not the source of your
- "informed" opinion on the paranormal. No matter how skewed or biased the
- Skeptical Reporter may be, it is infinitely better than the TV "psychic"
- shows....
-
- > The last year has seen a huge increase in TV coverage of
- > the paranormal here in the UK. The overwhelming majority of the coverage
- > is, to my mind, disgracefully uncritical.
-
- NOW you may use the word "ludicrous". <grin>
-
- > I cannot personally investigate every claim of apparently bizarre
- > goings-on. I have to choose whom I trust to accurately and honourably
- > report on such matters to me. I choose Sagan, Klass and Randi.
-
- But they don't "report" these matters, they investigate them. I haven't
- heard of any of those three witnessing first-hand a truly incredible,
- unexplainable event that tickles their curiosity so that they just can't let
- it go. I sometimes wish they would.
-
- Hmmm. Just out of curiosity, what is the Skeptical Inquirer's Main purpose?
- Is it a hobby journal specifically about debunking paranormal claims, or
- does it serve a broader purpose, challenging and testing any new ideas,
- including developments in science like "cold fusion"?
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- Charles Gregory
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