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- From: CHOLSCHR@TCD.IE (Christian Holscher)
- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,sci.skeptic,sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Dr. Paul Hill's repulsive force field
- Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:19:38 +0100
- Organization: Trinity College, Dublin 2
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- In article <4qe0d5$28s@midland.co.nz>, gblack@midland.co.nz (George Black)
- wrote:
-
- > >Second, your assumption that observers are "unreliable" and that their
- > >knowledge is "invariably insufficient" is utter hogwash and betrays
- > >*your* total void of knowledge. Many UFO witnesses have been the best
- > >observers on the planet -- physicists, rocket scientists, pilots with
- > >half a century of flying experience, astronomers, and so on. This
- > >doesn't mean that experts are immune to errors, of course, but it DOES
- > >mean that your assumption is quite objectively and verifiably incorrect
- > >when you say that witnesses' knowledge is "invariably insufficient".
- > >This is wrong. Again, deal with it.
- >
- > Now, with all due regard Brian but you have to be a little cautious.
- > Britian's former Astronomer Royal Sir Arnold Wolfendale gave a lecture in
- > Hamilton New Zealand last night.
- > Amongst the many things that he said was that the radio waves eminating from
- > Earth will not arrive ANYWHERE as they are only 70-80 lightyears in their
- > outward travel.
- > Now Sir Arnold is the -14th- Astronomer Royal and retired last year.
- This post
- > has been in existance since the reign of King Charles 2 back in 1675 when
- > ships used to go astray and accurate star maps were deemed as -very-
- > necessary. (you, of course, realise that the reign of Charles ll preceeds
- > American settlement by some years)
- > One of the most famous of these gentlemen was Mr Halley (1682) so, if you
- > might, imagine the following..... The Heavens/skies/stars have been under
- > observation by the british astronomers both royal and commoner since 1675.
- >
- > So, for 320 years there has been NO sightings by this august body to
- raise the
- > slightest doubt that there is SOMETHING out there and 'visiting' us.
- >
- >
- >
- > George Black Hamilton New Zealand
- > gblack@midland.co.nz
- > 3:774/605.112
- > If you think you have a problem
-
- I can't help but wonder if these professional observers came out solidly
- in favour of meteorites in their 320 years of stargazing. As we all know,
- people had been seeing rocks fall from the sky for centuries, but it took
- two nineteenth centuary American professors to declare these reports true,
- as opposed to being merely the delusional ramblings of superstitious
- peasants. Even then, notable scientists thought it more
- likely that they had made it up, than that God hurled stones at us. In the
- eighteenth centuary Anton Lavoisier (?) declared that these charred stones
- had merely been shallowly buried, and then uncovered by a blast of
- lightning. He thought the whole idea utterly preposterous. Clearly,
- scientists had great trouble accepting such a radical notion, not wanting
- to accept the mere reports of ordinary mortals - (scientists, as we know,
- are the only ones who can SEE properly). So, how about it? Did these
- stargazers see these crashing stars? Or did they miss them? About how many
- visible meteorites a year are there? How many did these sky watchers
- report?
- Then, of course, there is the whole 'sprite' phenomena. A sprite is a
- meteorological phenomena consisting of a brief, but enormous, flash of
- light in the upper atmosphere, (or something like that - I'm not a
- meteorologist), which pilots had been reporting for years. The scientists
- usually dismissed these claims with the same smirk that they reserve for
- flat earthers. Astronauts in the shuttle reported the same, but from
- above. Same response. Then some bright spark in Meteorology came up with a
- theory as to how this might happen. Eventually, with photographs and a
- theory, the phenomena was accepted. Another leap forward for scientific
- progress....:)
- I should point out that I am nearing the end of my Doctorate in
- Cognitive Neuroscience, so my criticisms of science come from the inside.
-
- - Liam McGlinchey
-
- --
- Christian Holscher, PhD
- Trinity College Dublin
- Dept. Pharmacol. & Therapeutics
-