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Subject: Re: Roswell is sneaky even to experienced debunkers!
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 22:25:30 GMT
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[e-mail] (Mr. Fun) wrote:


>If you read the large posts from rudenick on the debris and the
>statements it's clear that there was a MAJOR difference of opinion
>between the two people who were the closest to the initial look see of
>the site (other then Brazel).  That would be Marcel and Cravitt(sp?).

Sheridan Cavitt, who was with the Counterintelligence Corp (CIC).

>Cravitt very clearly has said that while Marcel went to great lengths to
>try to talk him into the idea it was a UFO,

Absolutely not!  As usual, Mr. FunGus just makes up the "evidence" as he goes
along to suit his prejudices.

I have actually read the complete 1000 page Air Force Report on Roswell
including the complete interview with Cavitt and the affidavit that was typed up
immediately afterward by Col. Richard Weaver, who conducted the interview and is
an Air Force counterintelligence agent with OSI.  Weaver altered some key points
of Cavitt's testimony in the affidavit.

In the ACTUAL interview, Cavitt denied ever going out to the debris field with
Marcel or meeting rancher Brazel.  He claimed he went only with his assistant
CICman Lewis Rickett.  Cavitt was contradicted by Marcel, Brazel, and Rickett.
Marcel named him specifically as accompanying him to the debris field.  Brazel
noted in his press conference that Marcel was accompanied by a plain clothesman,
whom he didn't name (the CIC people didn't wear uniforms).

Further, it would have been virtually impossible for Cavitt to have found the
crash area without Brazel leading him there.  Brazel lived in an extremely
isolated area without roads or landmarks, and Cavitt claimed seeing only an
extremely tiny debris area (see below).  How was he supposed to find it without
Brazel's help?

Cavitt further claimed that he and Rickett were completely alone and there was
no other recovery operation.  Rickett in several interviews completely
contradicted Cavitt.  He said he accompanied Cavitt on a second trip by Cavitt
the day AFTER Cavitt was with Marcel on the debris field.  Rickett further
stated there was a major recovery operation going on at the time involving
several dozen soldiers, most of them standing guard.  The fact that MPs  were
guarding the area and that there was a major recovery operation has been
corroborated by numerous other witnesses.

In the body of his interview, Cavitt NEVER stated that Marcel tried to convince
him the debris was a UFO.  Remember, he denied ever being with Marcel.  Further,
he never accused Marcel of making up debris descriptions.  In fact, he showed
unusual respect for Marcel's integrity and intelligence, while ridiculing
several others in the intelligence office, including Rickett, who who called a
big story teller.

But when Weaver wrote up the affidavit for Cavitt to sign, he has Cavitt stating
that BOTH Marcel and Rickett liked to make up stories (completely contradicting
what Cavitt actually said).  He further has Cavitt stating that he went out to
the debris field with BOTH Marcel and Rickett at the same time, whereas Cavitt
never said this, and which is again contradicted by Marcel, Rickett, and Brazel.

> Cravitt saw nothing special about the debris and thought it was just a crashed balloon train of some
>sort.

That's what he claimed, but he is contradicted by many others about the
extremeley unusual nature of the debris, including both Marcel and Rickett.
Cavitt was asked specifically about the tape with purple patterns on it, the
supposed one clear tie-in with Mogul.  But Cavitt denied ever seeing anything
like that.  He claimed these were the stories of UFO fanatics describing some
other incident.   And this is the Air Force's star witness!

Cavitt also claimed that the debris covered a small area, no bigger than the
small room he was being interviewed in.  He claimed they quickly gathered it up,
it easily fit in one vehicle, and they immediately returned to base.

Cavitt's description of the size of the debris field is ludicrous and an utter
lie.  If this had been all that had crashed, Brazel could easily have gathered
it up himself, taken it to Roswell, and that would have been the end of it.

Cavitt's story is contradicted by EVERYBODY, including the Mogul people and the
Air Force itself.  The supposed crash balloon was 500 or 600 feet high.  The two
dozen or so weather balloons were connected in a line, followed by an alleged 3
to 5 radar reflectors, with the payload and ballast on the bottom.  For Cavitt's
story to be true and to be consistent with the photos of one weather balloon and
one radar reflector in Gen. Ramey's office, the bottom weather balloon and top
radar reflector would have had to selectively detach themselves from everything
else, and everything else would have had to vanish.

The Air Force now claims that the small quantity of debris in Ramey's office was
the totality of the crash debris recovered.  But the Air Force also claims that
Brazel's story in the newspapers (the one he told while under military custody
for a week) was also the unvarnished truth, and Brazel's story was of a much
larger area of debris, covering at least 7-9 ACRES.  Marcel described an area at
least 3 times this size (several hundred feet long by three-quarters of a mile
long), Brazel gave a similar description to his son Bill, except Bill Brazel
remembered it as being one-quarter mile long, and several other witnesses place
the debris zone as covering a region at least one-half to three quarters of a
mile long.

Cavitt's story is an utter lie.  He was telling the old 1947 weather balloon
cover story and wasn't briefed before his 1994 interview of the Air Force's new
"explanation."  Towards the end of the interview, Col. Weaver tried to prompt a
change in Cavitt's story to make it more consistent with Mogul by giving him
some of the details about Mogul.  But Cavitt didn't take the hint and stuck to
his old story.

>If you read rudenick long posts it's rather clear that there has
>NEVER been any mystery to what happened or what was found.  The entire
>"mystery" is a self-generated one by people with overheated imaginations
>looking for some excitement.

Ha, ha, ha.  The Air Force's chief witness is a retired intelligence officer
telling lie after lie in a story riddled with internal inconsistencies and
contradicted by everybody involved.   Cavitt has even been recorded in the past
as saying he was never at Roswell at the time and never involved with anything
that ever happened.

And why didn't Cavitt when reporting back to the base commander (Blanchard) tell
him it was nothing but a balloon crash and save him the embarrassment of issuing
a flying saucer recovery story?  Why couldn't Blanchard (later a 4-star general)
recognize rubber debris, tin foil, and balsa wood?  Later he admitted to both
his wives that the material they recovered was nothing like anything he'd seen
before, and which he believed at first to be Russian.

Cavitt's entire story is ludicrous.  Only the extremely gullible, ignorant, or
feeble-minded could possibly swallow it.