Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 03

     
     1   Q.   Tell us in outline what is the nature of Perseco's
              business?
     2        A.  Perseco was established to do packaging design,
              purchasing and distribution to the McDonald's distribution
     3        centres.  We are dedicated to McDonald's, yet McDonald's
              has no ownership in Perseco.  Perseco is privately owned
     4        and we do serve exclusively McDonald's.
 
     5   Q.   Is Perseco part of a larger group of companies?
              A.  We are.  The parent company is named Havi.
     6
         Q.   Is there any connection or link between Havi and
     7        McDonald's you know of?
              A.  Not that I know of, no.
     8
         Q.   I meant in terms of ownership?
     9        A.  That is what I assumed.  No ownership rights in
              McDonald's or Havi either.
    10
         Q.   When you say Perseco is dedicated to McDonald's, does that
         mean Perseco does not have any other customers?
              A.  We have no other customers, no, only McDonald's.
    12
         Q.   As a matter of history, do you know how long Perseco has
    13        had that relationship with McDonald's?
              A.  Since approximately 1975.
    14
         Q.   Does Perseco own any manufacturing operations of its own?
    15        A.  We certainly do not.
 
    16   Q.   How then does it source McDonald's packaging requirements?
              A.  We speak with our purchase products from the leading
    17        manufacturers in the packaging industry, either paper or
              plastics suppliers, and being that we have no interest in
    18        any other packaging industry, we hold ourselves as
              material neutral and feel we will by that right give a
    19        very objective evaluation of any packaging or any
              packaging material.
    20
         Q.   Does Perseco have a written contract with McDonald's?
         A.  We have no written contract with McDonald's
              whatsoever.
    22
         Q.   So far as you are aware, has Perseco ever had a written
    23        contract with McDonald's?
              A.  Not to my knowledge, no, sir.
    24
         Q.   Let me ask you this question:  Do you know Mr. Robert
    25        Langert, the director of environmental affairs at
              McDonald's? 
    26        A.  Yes, sir. 
  
    27   Q.   Is that the person or the department with whom you chiefly
              deal at McDonald's?
    28        A.  Yes, most of the activities I do are co-ordinated for
              service to Bob Langert.
    29
         Q.   Is it right Mr. Langert went from Perseco to McDonald's?
    30        A.  Yes.  In 1981, when I assumed the role of
              environmental affairs manager, it was due to a vacancy