Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 04

     
     1        Mr. Langert left as he moved to McDonald's environmental
              affairs.
     2
         Q.   So you stepped into his shoes?
     3        A.  That I did -- he has larger feet than I do though!
 
     4   Q.   Had you worked with him then at Perseco?
              A.  I did.  I worked with Bob.  I think Bob came to
     5        Perseco about a year after I did, maybe a little less, in
              1988.  I worked directly for him from 1989 through mid
     6        1990.  Then I took -- accepted a position as environmental
              affairs manager at Perseco Europe, our then newly opened
     7        company here, actually in Holland.  I was there for a year
              and worked for about another six months prior to his move
     8        to McDonald's.
 
     9   Q.   McDonald's, as we have heard in this court, now extends
              its operations to 70 countries in the world?
    10        A.  Yes.
 
    Q.   Each of those countries naturally uses packaging of some
              kind?
    12        A.  It does.
 
    13   Q.   Does your responsibility extend worldwide?
              A.  My responsibility is specific to the United States
    14        domestic packaging.  We have operating units in Europe, in
              Asia, Pacific, and for representation to Latin America
    15        with offices in the US, but those are separate wholly
              operating units of themselves, profits to themselves,
    16        costs, interest to themselves, so I have no responsibility
              in those areas.
    17
         Q.   For example, Perseco Europe you worked for for a time runs
    18        its own operation vis-a-vis McDonald's?
              A.  It does.
    19
         Q.   In Europe?
    20        A.  Yes.
 
    Q.   I want to ask you a little bit about your perception of
              McDonald's policies -- you, as a Perseco man, McDonald's
    22        policies and attitudes in relation to the use and disposal
              of raw materials and waste?
    23        A.  Yes.
 
    24   Q.   First of all this, does McDonald's present you with
              policies which you are supposed to carry out?
    25        A.  Yes, they do.  They have an environmental policy
              over-riding guiding principles.  Then we have guidelines 
    26        to our specifications that they have given us directions 
              to in general to minimise packaging, to emphasise source 
    27        reduction of packaging, to evaluate re-usable packaging,
              to include recyclable content wherever we have the
    28        opportunity, to decrease the environmental impacts of
              manufacturing processes when we have an opportunity.  The
    29        list goes on.
 
    30   Q.   Is this an evolving process?
              A.  Yes, certainly.  It involves the state of