Day 008 - 07 Jul 94 - Page 16

     
     1        making changes in terms of our practices or our targets,
              our guidelines, we will tell our suppliers why and what we
     2        are doing and look for their support to get it done.
 
     3        In general, the reason that we have increased our recycled
              paper usage is so that we can achieve a better balance of
     4        both recycled paper and virgin paper.  You do need both.
              You cannot have recycled paper without virgin paper.
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         Q.   Confining matters for the moment to the environmental
     6        considerations:  If there should come a time when, in your
              view, on advice, the balance had shifted too far in favour
     7        of recycled content, would you shift it back again?
              A.  Could you repeat the question?
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         Q.   It was a long question.  Can you confine your answer to
     9        environmental considerations?  If there should come a time
              when, on environmental grounds, you believed that the
    10        balance had shifted too far in favour of recycled content,
              would you shift it back again?
         A.  Yes, I would.
 
    12   Q.   Just a side issue, Mr. Langert:  You told us you were in
              Costa Rica recently; is that right?
    13        A.  That is correct.
 
    14   Q.   Were you there on holiday or on business?
              A.  No, on business.
    15
         Q.   What were you doing there?
    16        A.  I was working with another management person within
              McDonald's, Mr. Ray Cesca, to begin working with him on a
    17        project that we are working with in Costa Rica in Panama.
              We are working with a leading environmental group called
    18        Conservation International, and also a leading university,
              Clinson(?) University, on a sustainable agricultural
    19        project in Costa Rica, Panama, in which we are working
              with the local farmers to develop educational processes
    20        and technologies, so they better utilise the soil that
              they farm with and, therefore, cut down less rainforest
         trees; as a matter of fact, come up with programmes so
              that they can replant, reforest and use less land.
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         Q.   Mr. Langert, in case it should be suggested, is that just
    23        a public relations stunt by McDonald's?
              A.  No.
    24
         Q.   Can we go back then to mid 1970?  I will go there in a
    25        moment.  I have two preliminary questions.  I beg your
              pardon -- this is what happens when we go off to 
    26        Costa Rica.  Mr. Kouchoukos mentioned the three Rs, 
              reduction, recycling, reuse.  He told us, so far as he is 
    27        concerned, the, sort of, star of that trio is reduction.
              Yes?
    28        A.  I would agree with that 100 per cent.
 
    29   Q.   I was going to ask you whether you agreed with that.  We
              can take it no further than that for the moment.
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is the only logical order, is it?  If you