Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 12


     
     1        A.  Yes.
     2
     3   Q.   Have you got that fat file?  Can you turn right to the end
     4        to tab 20?  Right at the back of tab 20, it should be the
     5        last document in the file at page 489G.  You should find a
     6        table headed:  "Blowing Agent Usage for Sandwich Foam by
     7        Country" with a date at the bottom of the page in the
     8        right-hand corner, February 3rd 1994?
     9        A.  Yes.
    10
    11   Q.   You have got that?
    12        A.  Yes.
    13
    14   Q.   I can tell you (because there is no dispute about it) this
    15        was prepared by Mr. David Kouchoukos of your parent
    16        company, I suppose, in America?
    17        A.  Yes, it is.
    18
    19   Q.   Do you know him?
    20        A.  Yes, I know him very well.
    21
    22   Q.   Really, what I would like your help with, one notices, we
    23        have already noticed, that Austria and Germany both use
    24        paperboard?
    25        A.  Yes.
    26
    27   Q.   Do they use any polystyrene foam, the Austrians and the
    28        Germans?
    29        A.  They do not use any polystyrene foam.  They use a few
    30         -- a few, I should not say -- but they use polystyrene
    31        still in lids.
    32
    33   Q.   Lids?
    34        A.  Lids for cups.
    35
    36   Q.   Do they use any polyethylene?
    37        A.  Not as part of their sales packaging.
    38
    39   Q.   No.  One notices that what one might call the old Soviet
    40        bloc countries, that is to say, Czech Republic, Hungary
    41        Moscow and Poland, all seem to use wraps?
    42        A.  Yes.
    43
    44   Q.   Can I ask you, do they make their own wraps or not?
    45        A.  Partially they do, yes.
    46
    47   Q.   To some extent?
    48        A.  To some extent they do.  It depends a little bit on in
    49        some of those countries the import duties or import
    50        restrictions are quite high and, therefore, we have looked 
    51        at the local suppliers.  I cannot give you any more detail 
    52        than that because I have not been personally involved in 
    53        those type of projects.
    54
    55   Q.   I only wanted a broad picture, Mr. Van Erp.  To the extent
    56        they do not make their own wraps, where do they get them
    57        from, do you know?
    58        A.  If they do not make their own wraps?
    59
    60   Q.   To the extent that they do not make their own wraps, where

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