Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 13

     
     1        do they get from them, do you know?
     2        A.  They will either get them from the supplier, the same
     3        supplier, that the UK use, i.e. Burrows in the Netherlands
     4        or they will use them from Schisler in France.
     5
     6   Q.   Schisler in France?
     7        A.  Yes.
     8
     9   Q.   You will notice also in the second column, at the top of
    10        the second column -- they are done alphabetically, so it is
    11        easy to follow -- Sweden also uses paperboard.  Moving from
    12        that, I want to ask you, in particular, about Turkey.  This
    13        document dated 3rd February 1994 says that the Turks use
    14        wraps but HCFC-22 blown polystyrene foam for the Big Mac.
    15        Do you happen to know what the present position is in
    16        Turkey?
    17        A.  They have since, by coincidence I think, in February
    18        they switched over to use a new machine and now are fully
    19        converted to hydrocarbons.
    20
    Q.   Hydrocarbons, like the rest of those who use polystyrene
    22        foam in Europe?
    23        A.  Yes.
    24
    25   Q.   Do you know reason why the Turks were using HCFC-22 up
    26        until at any rate February 1994?
    27        A.  Part of the reason was that because of safety standards
    28        it was difficult for them to switch hydrocarbons or
    29        flammable HCFCs, so it is more dangerous to use.  You have
    30        to have higher safety standards.  Secondly, to my
    31        understanding, is at that point in time they just did not
    32        have the technology for it.
    33
    34   Q.   I was going to ask you this:  Do you know how they acquired
    35        the technology?
    36        A.  I know that they have been talking with Lin Pac, the
    37        supplier in the UK.  I have not been involved in those
    38        talks, so I do not know exactly how far they went.
    39
    40   Q.   Thank you.  Sorry about that short excursion.  Can you put
         that file away now, please?  Can I ask you to look at two
    42        documents that you have produced for us and we got
    43        yesterday in court?  You should, I hope, have with you ---
    44        A.  Yes, I have.
    45
    46   Q.   -- a small bundle of photocopies, including two that look
    47        like that?
    48        A.  Yes.
    49
    50   Q.   Do you have those? 
    51        A.  Yes. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Can we look at the big one first -- I say "the big one",
    54        the one with the dark shading on it?
    55        A.  Yes.
    56
    57   Q.   First of all, can I ask you, it is dated 3rd January 1991.
    58        It is headed:  "Composition of 'top colour' recycled
    59        paperboard material, Manufactured by Mayr Melnhof Karton of
    60        Austria".  Can I ask you who made this document?