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     1        A.  Yes, and according to the location of the premises.
     2
     3   Q.   Can you give us a descriptive example?
     4        A.  If we were to take what is described and is, indeed,
     5        described within this leaflet as a town centre location,
     6        then there are four standards of cleanliness that are
     7        described:  (A) is described as clean, entirely free of
     8        environment/index.html">litter; (B) is small bits of environment/index.html">litter, maybe cigarettes ends
     9        or, although they are less frequent these days, ring pulls
    10        from cans; (C) is where there are larger items of environment/index.html">litter,
    11        and (D) is where the accumulation of environment/index.html">litter has become
    12        quite considerable.
    13
    14        The way in which the legislation requires the Local
    15        Authority to operate is that there is a time lapse; if it
    16        degenerates from clean to category (D), then it has to be
    17        brought back to a clean status within one hour.  If it has
    18        only got as bad as (B), then there are six hours in which
    19        it can bring it back to that cleanliness level.
    20
    MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, there were in court yesterday some
    22        photographs taken by Mr. McIntyre.  I would like to show
    23        them to Professor Ashworth, if I may?
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, do you have those?
    26
    27   MR. RAMPTON:  (Same handed).  (To the witness):  One is a
    28        vertical and one a horizontal photograph, Professor
    29        Ashworth.  These are asserted to be -- we shall know
    30        whether it is true or false when we hear from Mr. McIntyre
    31        tomorrow -- bits of rubbish emanating, at least in part,
    32        from the McDonald's store in the Kings Road.  Do you have
    33        any comment, according to your four categories, as to which
    34        category that sort of environment/index.html">litter is likely to fall in the eyes
    35        of a Local Authority?
    36        A.  I want to give a qualified answer because it would
    37        depend in so far as these categories are concerned, from
    38        this photograph I cannot establish over what length that
    39        level of littering occurred, but that would certainly, in
    40        so far as what I can see in the photograph, that would be
         on the borders between (C) and (D).
    42
    43   Q.   Of course, what you should know is that this is a
    44        photograph taken, I think, in Smith Street which is some
    45        considerable distance from the store.  Does that make a
    46        difference so far as one of these Street Litter Notices is
    47        concerned?
    48        A.  Yes, it is.  It is not a circumstance in which the
    49        Street Litter Control Notice would apply.
    50 
    51   Q.   Can you put those on one side for the moment?  I want to 
    52        pass, if I may, to McDonald's.  Does the TBG have any kind 
    53        of a relationship with McDonald's and, if so, what is it?
    54        A.  For almost the entire length of time that I have been
    55        Director General of the Tidy Britain Group, the Group has
    56        had a practical working contact with McDonald's in that
    57        early on I met with the President of McDonald's and we
    58        shared a concern about environment/index.html">litter, and the discussions led on
    59        to ways in which it might be possible for McDonald's to
    60        assist the group in its campaigning and its programmes.