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     1        Since that time they have been co-operating with us in a
     2        number of programmes.
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     4   Q.   I am going to come to those in a little more detail in a
     5        moment.  You said "early on", do you mean early on in your
     6        directorship?
     7        A.  Yes.
     8
     9   Q.   Can you give us roughly a year when you made that contact?
    10        A.  1988.
    11
    12   Q.   Was the President Mr. Paul Preston?
    13        A.  Yes.
    14
    15   Q.   Before I come to the detail, can I ask you this
    16        question -- I ask you two questions:  Have you had
    17        experience during the last seven years of dealing with
    18        businesses which may be thought to generate a certain
    19        amount of waste and environment/index.html">litter ---
    20        A.  Yes.
    21
    22   Q.   -- by way of packaging?  Second question:  Against that
    23        background, how do you rate McDonald's attitudes, policies
    24        and practices in relation to the environment/index.html">litter which is generated
    25        by their business?
    26        A.  I would be very satisfied if the other people with whom
    27        I have dealings exercised the same interest and concern and
    28        practical measures to alleviate environment/index.html">litter.
    29
    30   Q.   Can you tell us, please, what kind of things McDonald's do
    31        in co-operation with or in support of the activities of
    32        your Group?
    33        A.  The co-operation and support of McDonald's can,
    34        I suppose, be most easily separated out into three areas:
    35        First of all, they have been willing to sponsor programmes
    36        that we have devised and which we have wished to have
    37        sponsored because they needed additional financial
    38        resources from those available to us through the public
    39        sector.  They have been willing to assist us in broad
    40        educational activities, frequently through the medium of
         their restaurants, and they have been willing to encourage
    42        their staff to support campaigns that we have been running
    43        where their staff have been located in areas where those
    44        campaigns were operated.
    45
    46   Q.   Does McDonald's give your Group any money directly?
    47        A.  They only provide money to sponsor specific
    48        activities.  We do not have any financial support from
    49        McDonald's for our general activities.
    50 
    51   Q.   Does McDonald's, when it helps sponsor one of your events 
    52        or co-operate with your educational activities, or whatever 
    53        it may be, get a publicity benefit from its participation?
    54        A.  Yes.
    55
    56   Q.   Are you content that that should be so?
    57        A.  Yes, provided -- and this has always been the case --
    58        that the nature of the material we produce and the
    59        programmes that we develop are controlled by us, and that
    60        we are able to ensure that the balance between the