Day 077 - 25 Jan 95 - Page 28

     
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     2   Q.   To what extent is -- this may be obvious already, I do not
     3        know, but I will ask it just the same -- your relationship
     4        with McDonald's a co-operative venture?
     5        A.  Oh, absolutely.  I mean, it is developing all the
     6        time.  McKey and McDonald's are so closely intermeshed and
     7        geared in together, and it goes across the whole spectrum,
     8        from costing and the business side of it, through the
     9        development side of it, through the production side of it.
    10        McDonald's people come in and out the plant without any
    11        appointment -- they just arrive.
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    13   Q.   We will see later on -- perhaps today -- some letters
    14        written by you back in the 80s on McDonald's paper?
    15        A.  Yes.
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    17   Q.   What was the reason for that?
    18        A.  Well ----
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    20   Q.   1983?
         A.  Well, in those days McDonald's were the largest
    22        shareholder; it was a McDonald's company.  There were
    23        occasionally specific situations where I had permission to
    24        use McDonald's paper and sign it accordingly.
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    26   Q.   I think I am entitled to ask you this, but his Lordship
    27        will tell me if I am not, you say that McDonald's have more
    28        stringent requirements or attitudes towards animal welfare
    29        than many of your other customers; is that right?
    30        A.  Yes.
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He said in relation to supermarkets was the
    33        particular reference, I think.
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    35   MR. RAMPTON:  Than supermarkets do?
    36        A.  Please could I amplify that, sir?
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    38   Q.   By all means.
    39        A.  I am sure that within the supermarkets they do have
    40        animal welfare concerns, but from the buying departments
         coming in through the plant and discussing packaging and
    42        specification, animal welfare does not come up as an
    43        issue.  But I am not saying that the supermarkets are not
    44        conscious of animal welfare.
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    46   Q.   But it does come up with the McDonald's people, does it?
    47        A.  Constantly.
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    49   Q.   As say, I think I am entitled to ask you this, but if I am
    50        not, I am not, so far as your perception is concerned, do 
    51        you believe that McDonalds' attitudes and stated policies 
    52        in relation to animal welfare are sincere or not? 
    53        A.  Yes, I do.
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    55   Q.   The first page of this document has to do with buildings.
    56        Can you just cast your eye over those nine audit items on
    57        that page and there is one over the page, 10, at the top of
    58        page 37 and then I will ask you a question.
    59        A.  Yes.
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