Day 096 - 03 Mar 95 - Page 02

     
     1                                           Friday, 3rd March 1995.
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     3   MR. RAMPTON:  Mr. Bowes is here.  Before he continues, I have
     4        done what your Lordship has asked.  I have marked on the
     5        proposed amendment -- I have used square brackets in red
     6        because it is what your Lordship suggested -- the passages
     7        to which I refer.  I say no more about them at this stage.
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     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The animal welfare one, I thought I had one
    10        already.  I see I have a fresh copy up here.
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    12   MR. RAMPTON:  Your Lordship asked for one without handwriting on
    13        it.
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    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I thought I had one.  Weeks ago I thought
    16        I had one.
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    18   MR. RAMPTON:  I think you did when Dr. Gomez Gonzalez ------
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    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  In that case I was told to put it somewhere
    21        and that is what I wanted to know.
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    23   MR. RAMPTON:  There is no harm in having two.  My Lord, yellow
    24        XI tab 5 at the back of Mark Pattison's statement since it
    25        is his document.
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    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Thank you.  Do you mean yellow XI?
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    29   MR. RAMPTON:  It is IX, my Lord, I am sorry.
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    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Before I forget, when we talk about
    32        scheduling on Monday, I would like some realistic estimate
    33        of when we expect to finish all the evidence in the case,
    34        really, because of my own movements in the future.
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    36   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, of course.
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    38                         MR. BOWES, recalled.
    39             Cross-examined by the Defendants, continued.
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    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Good morning, Mr. Bowes.
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    43   THE WITNESS:  Good morning, sir.
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    45   MR. MORRIS:  I think we finished with sows.
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    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You dealt with the normal life-span of sows,
    48        their slaughter age, nose rings, feed and what it
    49        contained.  You elicited an answer from Mr. Bowes to the
    50        effect that antibiotics were not used in pig feed.  Those 
    51        were the last topics.  He said that penicillin was used if 
    52        there was a respiratory problem but antibiotics had not 
    53        been given to all the pigs since 1979 or 1980.
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    55   MS. STEEL:  Thank you.  (To the witness):  The system for the
    56        piglets after they are removed from their mothers, did you
    57        say, is that the same for indoor as well as outdoor pigs?
    58        A.  Good morning.  No, it is not the same.  I believe
    59        I described when I was here last time that the outdoor
    60        system, pigs are weaned into what we call "kennels" --