Day 110 - 29 Mar 95 - Page 15

     
     1   MR. MORRIS:  It is not really, with respect, surprising it is
     2        going to take some time, because this is our first witness.
     3          He is responding not specifically to a McDonald's
     4        witnesses, but McDonald's witnesses have made a great deal
     5        of opinion and evidence about animals, cattle and pigs.  It
     6        is only right that we should not be under pressure to
     7        curtail our -----
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not putting you under pressure.  I am
    10        trying to get an estimate.
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  I would have thought a day is likely to be the
    13        minimum and hopefully, finished quite soon after that.  If
    14        Mr. Rampton does not wish to cross-examine, that is his
    15        choice.  That will save us all time, of course.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What about Mr. Tyler?
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:  Andrew Tyler is, I think from memory -- again, we
    20        have not had a chance to sit down and go through his
         evidence yet -----
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    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you just look at his statement, he
    24        interviewed Mr. Preston.
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, that is partly it; it is the number of -----
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He has done a supplemental statement in
    29        relation to that which at the moment seems to be pointing
    30        at the question of recyclability and no more.
    31
    32   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, the dairy cows matter again was specifically
    33        because the Plaintiffs had claimed that there was no
    34        evidence that they used any dairy cattle.  Why they wish to
    35        deny it, I do not know.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is it suggested that any of the
    38        establishments, which are under "My Observations" on pages
    39        2 and 3, relate to plants which supply McDonald's?
    40
    MR. MORRIS:  We are not sure.  I think that is something we have
    42        to contact Mr. Tyler about.  I think some of the
    43        establishments were mentioned by Mr. Bowes, was it, or
    44        Mr. Walker.  We have to check.  We had the impression that
    45        one of them may be a supplier.  Of course, McDonald's have
    46        not exactly been co-operative in letting us know -----
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  It also makes it difficult if he says
    49        because of agreements with the owners of establishments he
    50        is unwilling to reveal their identity too. How long are you 
    51        expecting him to take? 
    52 
    53   MR. MORRIS:  We did not envisage his evidence to last more than
    54        half a day, something like.  Obviously, the matter about
    55        the conversation with Paul Preston is a very simple matter
    56        of just simple fact.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you have any other witnesses you have in
    59        mind, apart from Mr. Bruton?
    60