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     1        A.  Not so much working conditions, not very often the
     2        working conditions.
     3
     4   Q.   What about their pay, would they complain about that?
     5        A.  Yes -- I think you get that in all jobs.
     6
     7   Q.   Which sort of things would they say?
     8        A.  Just generally that, you know, they are not getting
     9        paid enough.
    10
    11   Q.   No.  Did they ever complain about their Managers?
    12        A.  Sometimes, yes.
    13
    14   Q.   Did you, as the person that held the rap sessions, ever
    15        tell any Manager what any individual crew member had said
    16        about that Manager?
    17        A.  No.
    18
    19   Q.   One particular question about safety:  What was the
    20        position in relation to repair of electrical equipment when
         you were Manager at Seven Sisters?
    22        A.  First of all, the management, the salaried management
    23        team, had to under go an Advanced Equipment Course.  Anyone
    24        that had passed that Advanced Equipment Course could tamper
    25        with bits of, say, toasters or fryers etc. etc., and if
    26        they could not repair it themselves, then an engineer would
    27        be called in.
    28
    29   Q.   What about what many people would regard as a relatively
    30        simple thing like changing a plug or a light bulb?
    31        A.  In those days, yes, we would do that -- obviously, now
    32        we cannot.
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you just pause for a moment?
    35
    36   MR. RAMPTON:  Can I ask you one further question which I forgot
    37        to ask about the rap sessions, Mr. Giardina?  Did anybody
    38        at any rap session you ever attended, whether as crew
    39        member or as Area Supervisor, ever say anything about trade
    40        unions?
         A.  No.
    42
    43   Q.   What, nobody ever said:  "We think the conditions in this
    44        hellish place are so dreadful that we really do need the
    45        protection of a union"?
    46        A.  No -- never.
    47
    48   Q.   How many rap sessions do you think you conducted during the
    49        six or seven years that you were an Area Supervisor?
    50        A.  I would say about 50. 
    51 
    52   Q.   All in Central or East London -- at this time I think it 
    53        was a bit further east?
    54        A.  Yes.
    55
    56   Q.   Can I ask you about two related things, Mr. Giardina,
    57        before we come on to some specific Magee allegations -- and
    58        only two of those?  Two related questions, labour costs and
    59        turnover.  First of all, can I ask you, can you remember
    60        what your turnover was, say, in staff I mean, in 1987?