Day 177 - 26 Oct 95 - Page 06


     
     1        and Ipswich he went to off and on for some several weeks;
     2        and the point he was going to make was that there was not
     3        much difference; and I think other witnesses have been
     4        asked in the witness box -- quite a lot of them -- if they
     5        have worked at other stores, you know, "Was your experience
     6        roughly the same elsewhere where you have worked for
     7        McDonald's?"  We were not going to go into any details of
     8        any kind.
     9
    10        In fact, with Milton Keynes, there was another detail which
    11        I see from my notes that he wanted to say.  He said that he
    12        was badly treated at Milton Keynes in his statement.
    13
    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.  I read that.
    15
    16   MR. MORRIS:  He wanted to say that the reason he was badly
    17        treated was that he was expected to work extremely long
    18        hours.
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is number 3, is it not, on your list?
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  I am sorry?
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Point 3.
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  The Plaintiffs have not complained about that
    27        one.  So that is fair enough, then.  I am sorry, I thought
    28        I had not put it down.
    29
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I suggest, unless Mr. Rampton wants to
    31        come back, is that I give you leave to ask Mr. Gibney about
    32        the matters which appear on your sheet, and times and names
    33        as well, if you wish, in relation to Colchester and
    34        Milton Keynes; that rather than you giving written
    35        particulars, if you can get written particulars off him
    36        tomorrow and get them to Mrs. Brinley-Codd, try to do so.
    37
    38   MR. MORRIS:  About Clacton and Ipswich?
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, no, about Colchester and Milton Keynes.
    41        Put Clacton and Ipswich on one side for the moment.   Put
    42        them on one side for the moment.  We will come back to
    43        them.
    44
    45   MR. MORRIS:  I am not bothered about Clacton and Ipswich,
    46        particularly.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  At the moment, I am minded to restrict the
    49        evidence to Colchester and Milton Keynes.  I cannot believe
    50        it will make one jot of difference one way or the other, 
    51        the other places, anyway, because, as I have said, the way 
    52        it looks to me at the moment, if I accept Mr. Gibney's 
    53        evidence about Colchester, you have achieved all you could
    54        reasonably expect to achieve from his evidence, and, if I
    55        do not accept it, talking about other restaurants, it will
    56        only be because I do not find him a credible witness
    57        anyway.
    58
    59        So let us stick to Colchester and Milton Keynes.  If you
    60        can give names and particulars by Monday, well and good.

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