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     1        pay, because the court has heard that night and day for the
     2        last 30 or 40 days, whatever.  It is just to say that he
     3        does not feel that it can substitute for a sensible, decent
     4        basic wage, because the figures that were -- the additional
     5        figures of five or ten pence an hour do not bring up the
     6        wages to any significant amount; and he does not feel it is
     7        appropriate for that very low basic starting rate.  Also,
     8        it can be used as a tool for work discipline, i.e., that
     9        people are constantly dependent, to get any kind of rise,
    10        on ingratiating themselves or working extremely hard, and
    11        that can be used for as a tool for work discipline.  I do
    12        not think there is very much more to say on that.  It is a
    13        quite -- it might have been expected that he would say
    14        those kind of things.
    15
    16        In fact, it has been the Plaintiff's case that this is one
    17        of the reasons that they are not in favour of unions,
    18        because they believe in performance related pay.  So that
    19        issue has been canvassed.
    20
         I do not feel there is really any problem.  If, you know,
    22        what he says is so dynamite that the Plaintiffs wish to
    23        call rebuttal evidence about performance related pay, then
    24        we cannot see we would object.  We will cross that bridge
    25        when we come to it, anyway.
    26
    27        If it is any explanation, I did re-emphasise the overtime,
    28        because you asked me -- it was you who actually asked me to
    29        get Mr. Pearson to comment on overtime.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL: He asked you to -----
    32
    33   MR. MORRIS:  No, I think you asked me that to say something
    34        about overtime.  I was not sure if it was clear in his
    35        statement, but he was critical -----
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  As I have said, I have heard what Mr. Rampton
    38        said about overtime.  I think Mr. Rampton's main point is
    39        with regard to performance related pay; and it is quite
    40        right I indicated that I would like to hear what
         Mr. Pearson says about the pros and cons of paying a higher
    42        rate for overtime and the reasoning behind it.
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  He was actually a member of a wages
    45        council, so he will be able to -----
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do not worry about that.  I am not at the
    48        moment concerned about that.
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  There is a couple of other things I want to bring 
    51        up, but I will wait. 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us deal with this first.  Yes,
    54        Mr. Rampton, is there anything you wanted to say?
    55
    56   MR. RAMPTON:  Now that I know what Mr. Pearson -- at least,
    57        I think I do, assuming Mr. Morris has reported him
    58        accurately -- what Mr. Pearson means by "generally
    59        inappropriate", I do not need Mr. Pearson to sit down and
    60        write it down; I will have it on the transcript.  So that