Day 182 - 02 Nov 95 - Page 14

     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, 24A.
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     3   MR. MORRIS:  (To the witness): Second paragraph.  Mr. Holm, who
     4        is he?  What is his position in McDonald's Norway?
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Unless there is some change, he has said he
     7        is Managing Director of the McDonald's Norwegian company,
     8        which has subsidiaries which run some of the restaurants
     9        and subfranchisees which run others.
    10
    11   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  He says:  "Firstly, Jenssen is incorrect in
    12        asserting that we gave notice to dismiss 12 restaurant
    13        closers because they had joined the union.  It is true that
    14        we gave notice to dismiss 11 restaurant closers from our
    15        Oslo restaurants.  However, this has nothing whatsoever to
    16        do with the trade union.  I was not aware which of the
    17        closers were union members and which were not."
    18
    19        I am trying to see where the common ground is, to save
    20        time.
    21
    22        In the next paragraph, he says: "In the summer of 1993 we
    23        have been reviewing our use of closers in our Oslo
    24        restaurants, principally with regard to the possibility of
    25        reducing labour costs but also from the security point of
    26        view, because often the closers would work alone,
    27        presenting a potential security risk with regard to the
    28        money kept in the restaurant.  As a result of this, we
    29        decided we would purchase dishwashers for the restaurants,
    30        thus making the closers" -----
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you need to read all this through?  We have
    33        someone here who is studying at university who, I would
    34        have thought, is probably an intelligent young man who, for
    35        all I know, has read this before and, if he has not, can be
    36        asked just to read, for instance, paragraphs 2 to 6, which
    37        concern the closers to himself, and then merely be asked if
    38        there is anything there with which he joins issue, with
    39        which he disagrees; and then, if he does disagree with
    40        something, you can ask him to tell me about it.
    41
    42   MR. MORRIS:  (To the witness): Can you read that to yourself,
    43        then.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL: Have you read it already?
    46        A.  I have read it, yes.
    47
    48   Q.   You have heard what I have said, Mr. Jenssen?
    49        A.  May I reply?
    50 
    51   Q.   Yes, do. 
    52        A.  OK. 
    53
    54   Q.   Tell me if there is anything you disagree with there.
    55        A.  Yes.  Well -----
    56
    57   Q.   Speak loud and clear and take your time.
    58        A.  Well, the first thing is probably true, that he did not
    59        know who the union members were, but I do believe that he
    60        knew that the closers or many other were union members, and