Day 186 - 10 Nov 95 - Page 05


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  On that last point which you made, I could not
     3        quite grasp what the result was of what Lord Reid said,
     4        or -----
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is that ---
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     8   MR. MORRIS:   I have it in front of me.
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    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- it seemed to me, one has to judge what the
    11        meaning is according to various rules of law in relation to
    12        that.  The one thing one cannot say is:  It could not mean
    13        that, because the reader would not believe that.  It would
    14        still be defamatory to say of some patently honourable
    15        public figure that he had strangled two wives already, even
    16        though someone reading that would never ever believe it; it
    17        would still be a defamatory statement.  Do you understand?
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    19   MR. MORRIS:  Right.
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    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It might have some relevance in this sense
    22        that if the first meaning which hits you off the page is
    23        one which seems pretty outlandish, that may lead one to
    24        think that the ordinary reasonable reader would read the
    25        text more carefully to see if that really can be so.  But
    26        that would be an argument which might be in your favour in
    27        this case.  Anyway, let us start the argument on meaning.
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    29   MS. STEEL:   I wanted to start by saying that we believe that
    30        the meaning of the nutrition section, particularly the
    31        first paragraph or first block of text, has been approached
    32        in the wrong way.  The feature of the text is what comes
    33        first, i.e., rebutting McDonald's portrayal of their food
    34        as a useful and nutritious part of any diet; and that is
    35        really the context for the remarks on diet and disease.
    36        The purpose is to show how McDonald's food fits into the
    37        picture, that it is not a useful and nutritious part of any
    38        diet.  It is the part that health bodies or health
    39        professionals, medical professionals, are advising us to
    40        cut out or reduce.
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    42        I would like to say on that, however, within the leaflet
    43        itself there is no motive ascribed to that.  I mean by that
    44        that the leaflet does not say that McDonald's are lying; it
    45        merely says that their portrayal is inaccurate; it just
    46        says they do not give full facts.
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    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
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    50   MS. STEEL:   We have already given -- obviously, there was the 
    51        first pleaded meaning, and then I put down a meaning in 
    52        November last year, I think it was.  To me, they are 
    53        basically saying the same thing.  I think the one that
    54        I gave last year possibly explained it better, probably
    55        because more words were used, so it just makes it a bit
    56        easier to understand.  I do not know, but I gathered you
    57        thought that meaning was a bit too long or complicated.
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    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  The note I made -- it was on page 5 of
    60        day 53 -- you said:  "It is clear that the leaflet is

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