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     1        case that that is a very substantial percentage of
     2        violations.  So, that is that one.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Anyway, that is all a matter for argument, is
     5        it not?
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am speaking so that I could try and
    10        understand where it might take us.
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  It is relevant because, do not forget, Mr. Stein
    13        did give testimony here on this subject, and he mentioned
    14        the Congress and said how he was praised, or something
    15        equivalent to that he said.
    16
    17        Point 3 is just a direct taking from the bottom of 222,
    18        where Mr. Stein says that -- if you just read the second
    19        half of page 222, I think you will get the generality.
    20        (Pause)
    21
    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have read to the bottom of 222.
    23
    24   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  So, basically, Mr. Stein has said that no
    25        corporate store had ever been cited.  Then Mr. Lantos
    26        challenged him with the one just that week in the state of
    27        Wisconsin, which I have just used the words directly taken
    28        from Mr. Lantos.
    29
    30   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I am sorry to interrupt, but in fact what
    31        Mr. Stein said was not that.  What Mr. Stein had said was
    32        that McDonald's had never "violated", which is completely
    33        different from being cited; and one has to read over to the
    34        top of 223 to see how it is dealt with.
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It does say "cited", does it not?
    37
    38   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Stein, in the middle of page,
    39        says:  "McDonald's Corporation has never been cited for
    40        child labour violations in any restaurant it has operated."
    41
    42   MR. RAMPTON:  Well, I missed that.  I have not had a chance to
    43        read it, anyway.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It tends to be confusing, because one has to
    46        keep in mind how many restaurants there are, how many have
    47        been cited, and then how many have been convicted, if any,
    48        at the end of the day.
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  So, that is just where that point 3 comes from. 
    51        I would be grateful if that could be accepted as a pleading 
    52        for these purposes, rather than having to rewrite it or 
    53        something.
    54
    55   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it is not right for Mr. Morris to apply
    56        for leave to amend on the basis of a document which I have
    57        only just been given and have not read.  I have not taken
    58        any instructions.  For all I know, I may oppose the
    59        application.
    60