Day 251 - 17 May 96 - Page 17

     
     1   Q.   Take it very slowly so that it goes straight down.
     2        A.  "Here is the survey of areas in conflict in the
     3        municipalities that supplies meat to McDonald's.  The
     4        research was done taking all the areas in these
     5        localities".  That means in these municipalities, it is
     6        rather a funny sentence of Portuguese, actually.
     7
     8   Q.   Do not worry, do your best at the moment.
     9        A. "Independently of the fact, not taking into
    10        consideration, whether or not these conflicts still
    11        continue.  This was due to lack of time.  For this reason,
    12        many of these conflicts, many of them can be old conflicts
    13        that have now ended.  We have included conflicts over land
    14        and conflicts over labour conditions".  That means with
    15        workers' conflicts over land and conflicts with the
    16        workers. "Also, we do not have in our documentation the
    17        names of the companies for whom these ranches supply
    18        meat".  So, they are saying that they are giving us a list
    19        of the ranches where there have been conflicts but they do
    20        not know, they have not got a list, of the meat packing
         stations, the slaughter houses, which were supplied with
    22        cattle from these ranches, they just have the names of the
    23        ranches where there have been conflicts.  We hope, all the
    24        same, that this can be useful, Yours faithfully".
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  And the name?
    27        A.  Inez.  Like I said, it is a bad photocopy here, it
    28        looks like E-H-N-E-H-N-E.
    29
    30   MR. RAMPTON:  Can I invite your Lordship to look at the last
    31        page where the full name is set out?
    32        A.  Yes, I think so.  It is Inez Estone, yes.
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is why I thought it was a woman?
    35        A.  Yes, I think it is a woman, yes.
    36
    37   MR. MORRIS:  Is this the Pastoral Land Commission as far as you
    38        know it?
    39        A.  She says...  I cannot actually read... The national
    40        secretariat of the...  which is the Pastoral Land
         Commission, but I do not know what that first...  I think
    42        she just means from the national secretariat of the
    43        Pastoral Land Commission.  But, I mean, I do not know her.
    44        I just asked them to have a look in their files, and this
    45        is the response they came up with.
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where are you going to go next, Mr. Morris,
    48        with this documentation?
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  I think that is the end of that documentation. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, except it might help me.  For instance, 
    53        I spent a bit of time yesterday looking at the list in
    54        Senior Morganti's recent statement and I have drawn pencil
    55        circles around I think about 25 towns which I saw.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, can I say this, I think it will save
    58        time.  I do not believe the witness needs to go through
    59        this, the two things can be put together at a later stage.
    60        I have only done one, I have only had time to do one.  I