Day 256 - 04 Jun 96 - Page 13
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2 Q. Have you got any comment about the prevalence of these
3 diseases at younger age ranges?
4 A. Yes. When heart disease or cancer is particularly
5 prevalent in a society amongst, obviously, the older people
6 of the society, we then also tend to see a much higher
7 prevalence amongst the really middle ages, the 30 to 40 age
8 range; and so, very early, coronary heart events can occur
9 in those age ranges.
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11 Q. You say "can". Is it happening or not happening in our
12 modern societies?
13 A. Well, it is. Early coronary events certainly are
14 higher in those countries that experience overall higher
15 heart disease rates.
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17 Q. One further point: have you got any comment about diet in
18 relation to treatment of people with cancer of the breast
19 or bowel or heart disease?
20 A. Yes. This is actually one of the most exciting areas
21 that is now coming forth in our business, basically showing
22 that people even with very serious heart disease on
23 substantial amounts of pharmaceuticals or drugs, and are
24 not able in some cases to be able to walk; what we are
25 actually just discovering -- not me, myself, but my
26 colleagues -- are discovering that diet, dietary treatment
27 of these individuals with a low fat diet that is low in
28 animal products is capable of actually reversing these
29 diseases, and a very exciting possibility. There are some
30 very dramatics results that have been recently published on
31 this point.
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33 Q. Do you have any comment about the wisdom or not of people
34 consuming, for example -- or the effects of eating, say,
35 two or three high fat/low fibre, et cetera, meals in a
36 week?
37 A. Yes. The data that we obtained from China, it was
38 pointed out, as you know from the earlier reading, where
39 diets range in fat intake on average from around six per
40 cent of calories to 24 per cent of calories, where diets,
41 in addition, range from those that contain almost little or
42 no animal-based foods to those that contain modest but
43 small amounts. In other words, we are talking about diets
44 that are in the low fat, low animal product sort of
45 category.
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47 Q. That would be high fibre, as well?
48 A. And high fibre, of course, much higher fibre intake
49 than here. In those kinds of diets, what we tend to see is
50 that the closer that we get to an all plant based diet, low
51 in fat, high in fibre, the lower are these diseases across
52 the board.
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54 Q. Right. So, going back to my question about the -----
55 A. So, yes. To go on on that, your questioning concerns,
56 you know, whether eating a meal like this two or three
57 times a week, I think you said -----
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59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Twice a week.
60 A. Twice a week? OK. So, yes, I would say that that
