Day 256 - 04 Jun 96 - Page 14

     
     1        definitely raises risk, particularly of course for those
     2        individuals who are most vulnerable, as I pointed out
     3        before.  So, there is definite risk there for doing that,
     4        to say nothing of the fact that using such food, even
     5        rather modestly like that, tends to encourage people to, if
     6        you will, consume still more as time passes.
     7
     8   MR. MORRIS:  OK.  In your opinion, does an individual meal have
     9        any physical effect on the body?
    10        A.  Yes.  There is evidence -- and I think some of this is
    11        fairly common knowledge, as I go by experience -- there is
    12        evidence that diets high in fat and high in animal protein,
    13        in particular, cause an individual to feel rather
    14        sluggish.  I mean, as I say, I think this is fairly common
    15        knowledge.  But -----
    16
    17   Q.   Is that referring to an individual meal or -----
    18        A.  Yes, an individual meal, exactly.  But now we are
    19        getting some individual -- getting some rather impressive
    20        data to show that, when such occurs, an individual, if then
         given the choice, let us say, physical activity, they in
    22        fact will tend to have -- or would simply be less desirous
    23        of such activity.
    24
    25   Q.   After eating a high fat/low fibre meal?
    26        A.  Right.  There is some really impressive experimental
    27        animal data on this, where the animal, I presume, is not
    28        thinking about what kind of meal they are consuming, and it
    29        turns out that if one decreases the intake of animal
    30        protein in, let us say, a rodent diet, and then gives the
    31        rodents an opportunity to get into one of these so-called
    32        exercise wheels voluntarily, it turns out that the animals
    33        that are consuming less animal protein as part of their
    34        diet exercise far more.  So, the conclusion there --
    35        I think the reasonable conclusion -- is that it is one of
    36        the responses that tends to occur in these kinds of diets.
    37
    38   Q.   Does it have any effect on the blood in any way, an
    39        individual high fat/low fibre meal?
    40
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where does this come into what I have got
    42        notice of in Professor Campbell's evidence?
    43
    44   MS. STEEL:  It is something that has been bought up by
    45        Mr. Rampton.
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, but where do I have notice that
    48        Professor Campbell is going to tell me about all this?
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  OK.  I will move on, then. 
    51 
    52        (To the witness)  If we move onto the snippets of 
    53        information from the China Project, a summary -- do you
    54        have a copy of that?
    55        A.  I am sorry, I do not, actually.
    56
    57   Q.   It should be there somewhere.  It is a four or five-page
    58        document.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you had it loose.