Day 261 - 12 Jun 96 - Page 15

     
     1   MR. MORRIS:  Of the leaflet complained of.
     2        A.  It is possible that there were three or four copies in
     3        the filing cabinet, yes.  What their purpose would have
     4        been, I am unable to say.
     5
     6   Q.   OK.  Moving on from that, just to confirm that -- can I say
     7        that in terms of who attended when, in the notes ---
     8        A.  Yes.
     9
    10   Q.   -- are you prepared to accept them as a true record of the
    11        people you actually saw at the various meetings that you
    12        could identify?
    13        A.  The people that I could identify, yes.
    14
    15   Q.   All I am doing, that is sort of to save having to go
    16        through each day and say X, Y and Z was on there.
    17        A.  Yes.
    18
    19   Q.   The notes that you made for other dates which have not been
    20        disclosed, they are likely to be just as true, in terms of
         who attended?
    22        A.  As far as I am aware, yes.
    23
    24   MS. STEEL:   Do you recollect what the average number of people
    25        was at meetings?
    26        A.  I would have to make a calculation now, and it would be
    27        a guess.
    28
    29   Q.   Would you accept that it was generally somewhere between
    30        five or ten, apart from at the public meetings?
    31        A.  Oh, yes.  Yes, somewhere between five and ten, yes;
    32        sometimes less.
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is the Caledonian Road ones?
    35        A.  Yes.
    36
    37   MS. STEEL:  They were not always the same five or ten people.  I
    38        am not trying to suggest that.  There were some people who
    39        would go on a regular basis and some people who would come
    40        in from time to time?
         A.  Yes.  There were people who attended once and I never
    42        saw them again, and there were people who attended
    43        regularly.
    44
    45   Q.   But in terms of people who did not attend regularly, there
    46        were still people who -- it was not just a one-off thing.
    47        They were involved with the group.  They just did not come
    48        to every meeting.  You know, they might come sort of once
    49        every month or once every two months, or even -----
    50        A.  I would be unable to say what their involvement would 
    51        have been. 
    52 
    53   Q.   But would you agree that there would have been people there
    54        who you might have only seen once or twice, but from what
    55        they said, it was clear they had been to previous meetings
    56        or been involved with the group in some way previously?
    57        A.  People did arrive who had obviously been involved with
    58        the group at some time in the past, yes.
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:  You said before that if some only came once or