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     1   MS. STEEL:  The following column which is under numbers is in
     2        the notes or the statements they said how many people there
     3        were at the meetings.
     4
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
     6
     7   MS. STEEL:  So, on 26th October Mr. Pocklington had a note that
     8        there were about 20 people at the meeting.  Then, the final
     9        column is the names of the people who they have noted down
    10        as being present.  So, any that are initials are the
    11        original five defendants.  So 'P' is obviously Paul
    12        Gravett, 'H' is myself, 'A' is Andrew Clarke, 'D' is Mr.
    13        Morris and 'J' is Jonathan O'Farrell.  The names that are
    14        out in full are other people who were attending the
    15        meetings.  And then if you look on, for example, the second
    16        page.  For example, under the 4th January Mr. Pocklington's
    17        notes records Allan as being present.  Where they have
    18        referred to any other inquiry agent I have put it in
    19        capitals.
    20
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    22
    23   MS. STEEL:  Then 'plus one' or the 'plus 4' is just, where they
    24        have said "and another 4 people."  I think that is it in
    25        terms of explaining how that works.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Thank you very much.
    28
    29   MS. STEEL:  So, if I hand over to Mr. Starmer.
    30
    31   MR. STARMER:   I am grateful for the opportunity to address you.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Without any disrespect to the defendants at
    34        all.  I am glad to see you here.  I have had a perfectly
    35        legible copy of your skeleton argument, for which I am very
    36        grateful.
    37
    38   MR. STARMER:   You did, and a full copy should be 11 pages, I
    39        assume.
    40
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    42
    43   MR. STARMER:   My Lord, I intend to go through the skeleton but
    44        obviously not reading it.
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.
    47
    48   MR. STARMER:   And to use the schedule which you have just been
    49        handed in addition.  I am obviously not as familiar with
    50        the evidence as everyone in the courtroom and I have used
    51        extracts from the transcript of the cross-examination of
    52        the three proposed third parties.  So, hopefully that is
    53        not in dispute.  I do not know whether you have it to hand,
    54        but it may be my learned friend when he replies it he
    55        thinks I have any factual matter wrong can correct me and
    56        bring it to my attention.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you have, or if Mr. Rampton challenges--
    59
    60   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, Mr. Atkinson will deal with it in a sort