Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 08
1 companies leeway to avoid having to comply. But I don't
2 think that was necessarily in that case.
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4 Page 50, you pondered about post-consumer being better than
5 post-industrial. Better, maybe not better, significant in
6 terms of its difference from post-industrial. Then that is
7 when the point came up on that page, McDonald's in the USA
8 will not use recycled unless significant percentage of
9 post-consumer content.
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What was the answer to that query? Is it
12 that one can see how easy it is to collect post-industrial
13 waste for the recycling or where the effort has to be made
14 and should made, you say, is with post-consumer?
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16 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Or is it that you say that most people would
19 think recycled means that an effort has been made to
20 collect it after the consumer has used it? Or is it both?
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22 MR. MORRIS: I think it is both, because although you said in
23 your ruling just now that we were both on top of the issues
24 in some way, a lot of this material that I have had to look
25 at in this case has been new to me in terms of any kind of
26 detail. I always assumed recycled paper was a hundred
27 percent post-customer. I did not even think of
28 post-customer, I just assumed that meant it was reclaimed
29 from use by people returning it, and obviously in
30 factories, in the processes in factories, there is going to
31 be wastage which is likely to be ploughed back in again one
32 way or another. We have heard in, when we come on to
33 Mr. Mallinson's stuff, about how, you know, what comes off
34 the sawn wood, you know, can be passed on to the pulp
35 factory. Mr. Mallinson said that could be described as
36 recycled. It is kind of ludicrous. Some of it is burned
37 to keep the furnaces going, some of it is given to the pulp
38 factory.
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40 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The stuff which McDonald's or its suppliers
41 used to transport is post-consumer, in fact, as well, is it
42 not?
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44 MR. MORRIS: There is post-consumer content. Some of
45 their ----
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Sorry, I have not made myself clear. If it
48 is post, if it has got as far as McDonald's, McDonald's is
49 customer, if it has got as far as - what was the name of
50 the West something foods?
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52 MR. MORRIS: Golden West Foods.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If it has got as far as Golden West Foods it
55 has got to a consumer, has it not, so it is post-consumer
56 if it is cardboard boxes which are taken back in empty
57 lorries and -----
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59 MR. MORRIS: Yes. I think technically, that could be
60 accurately described as post-consumer.
