Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 09

     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:    Is that not what it covers?  It strengthens
     3        your point, if anything, because that ought to be very easy
     4        to collect if it is right.  On the other hand, if
     5        post-consumer just means after the person has bought a
     6        McDonald's meal, that might be rather different.  What I
     7        can't remember at this moment is which -----
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     9   MR. RAMPTON:   Can I help?  Mr. Langert in fact told your
    10        Lordship, at any rate so far as he was concerned,
    11        post-consumer includes not only the stuff that the
    12        customers in the restaurants chuck in the bins, if they do,
    13        but also the packaging in which the materials arrive at the
    14        restaurant.
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    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.
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    18   MR. RAMPTON:   I do not have the reference.
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    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is what I thought.
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    22   MR. RAMPTON:   It is right, my Lord, yes.
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    24   MR. MORRIS:   Then on page 15, line 27, the point about no
    25        European products, not a single one, I think, would be
    26        called recycled, would be allowed to be called recycled, by
    27        McDonald's own definition.  In the USA.  And I am not
    28        hundred percent sure if that includes all the transport
    29        packaging.  But all the items that had been identified to
    30        Mr. Van Erp at that time, none of them could be called
    31        recycled in the USA.  So we would say that is an admission
    32        on this issue.
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    34        Page 19, clam shells are four times the volume of paper
    35        wraps.  That is a significant landfill issue, and on page
    36        20 he recognised there were strong environmental
    37        oppositions to land incineration.  I think that was in
    38        Germany.  Now, I have carried on making notes, but I will
    39        just read them out because I am moving on.  I don't think I
    40        will move on to the forest coverage...  Let me just have a
         look... (Pause) Until I have carried on in this vein a bit,
    42        maybe.
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    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   I have got two typed pages with your
    45        longhand -----
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    47   MR. MORRIS:   You still have two more, have you?
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    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   They are on forestry.  One page is
    50        Mr. Mallinson. 
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    52   MR. MORRIS:   Oh, yes, right. 
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    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The next page is Mr. Hopkins.
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    56   MR. MORRIS:   Yes, I was not intending to read all those out.
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    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You want them taken as read, do you?
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    60   MR. MORRIS:   Yes.