Day 297 - 08 Nov 96 - Page 10
1 you actually took the volume you are probably eating much
2 more than in a high fat diet.
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4 MS. STEEL: By volume you would eat more if you were eating
5 more fruit and vegetables, but in terms of.... I don't
6 know. It gets confusing. It does make a difference, but I
7 don't know how to explain this. (Pause)
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Anyway, I think for your purposes, you know,
10 the proposition you put, one could take out the 'more food'
11 and 'eat more food', the proposition you are on now is that
12 if a diet is high in fat you consume more calories.
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14 MS. STEEL: I agree with you in one way, but I think the thing
15 about eating more food is that when you are eating food
16 that is high in fat you are getting a concentrated source
17 of calories, and so -----
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19 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is my point.
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21 MS. STEEL: Yes, but it does not fill you up very well and you
22 therefore go and eat more, which increases the amount of
23 calories you need, which... I can see what you are getting
24 at.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I must say, my experience is completely the
27 opposite. If I eat a meal with meat in it, my portions are
28 much smaller than if I eat something which is either
29 totally or almost entirely vegetarian. It may be that if
30 one has portions the same size, you get more fibre out of
31 the entirely or virtually vegetarian dish. I have that
32 point very much in mind. In so far as one is saying, for
33 this purpose, bulk equals fibre or fibre equals bulk, then
34 I follow the point. And that may be a different point.
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36 Anyway, I think I have got the measure of it. It was just
37 in case I was missing something in the 'more food'. I do
38 not think I am. I have got the point about more calories.
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40 MS. STEEL: Yes, I think -----
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42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Well, I think I have got the point
43 generally. There we are.
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45 MS. STEEL: I think it would depend on what type of meat you
46 were eating, whether or not it was something high in fat,
47 but things like hamburgers and sugared buns, and what have
48 you, are very easy to eat quickly and they do not fill you
49 up for a very great length of time, with the consequence
50 that you then go back a couple of hours later starting to
51 feel hungry and you eat something else.
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53 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If what you are saying is that, to use a
54 common colloquialism, the food you eat takes time to get to
55 the hungry bit, as it were, and you can take on more
56 calories from a meat based diet more quickly so that by the
57 time it gets to the hungry bit you have eaten too much,
58 whereas if you are gnawing away at your apples or whatever
59 or your grains, you are taking it on board more slowly and
60 some of it will get to the hungry bit before you have eaten
