Day 302 - 18 Nov 96 - Page 07


     
     1        sticking to the...
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     3   MR. RAMPTON:   Yes.
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     5   MS. STEEL:   I want to come back on what Mr. Rampton said about
     6        the spys' notes.  I don't really think it becomes him to
     7        try and say it is our own fault for cross-examining the
     8        witnesses about other parts of the notes.  After all, he
     9        selectively chose the points that suited him and if we had
    10        not cross-examined the spies on other parts then all the
    11        contributions and flaws in the evidence would not have been
    12        exposed.  So it was hardly likely that we were just going
    13        to stick to what he had asked questions about.
    14
    15        The second thing is that as a consequence of that, when we
    16        asked about whether the whole notes went in and we were
    17        told that they did not go in, Mr. Rampton could have got
    18        up, as an experienced advocate, and said, "Well, if you
    19        cross-examine on this other part which I have not asked
    20        questions about, it will then go in as evidence".  And
    21        I think that that would have been a dignified approach to
    22        take.
    23
    24        The third thing is that, as I understood from what
    25        Mr. Rampton said, I think three weeks ago, he had prepared
    26        his closing speech and it was ready although it was not
    27        typed up, and I do not quite see why he cannot at minimum
    28        provide us with -- I understand if he does not want to
    29        provide the argument about it, I don't understand why he
    30        cannot provide at minimum a list of the references
    31        specifying which parts of the notes he wants to rely on in
    32        addition to those which were mentioned specifically in the
    33        witness box.  So I would like to request that that be
    34        done.  And that is about it, really.
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   I am not going to make a direction that it
    37        be done.  I have made a request that it be done.  I will
    38        wait and see what happens.  As with so many things in
    39        litigation, I do not even know whether, theoretical point
    40        though it may be, it turns out to be a point of any
    41        practical consequence whatsoever.
    42
    43   MS. STEEL:   The problem is, if Mr. Rampton does not give us
    44        advance notice, seeing as this is not something that has
    45        been pleaded by them or we have had notification that, you
    46        know, which specific parts are going to be relied on, we
    47        would have to have an entitlement to come back on those
    48        points.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   I will consider that if it arises.  I am not
    51        sure that is so on face value because one does not have to
    52        give notice in advance of all the matters in evidence which
    53        one intends to rely on, whether by pleading or any other
    54        kind of less formal written notice, that when one comes to
    55        speeches one canvasses that which is in evidence which one
    56        thinks is important enough to mention.  What I suggest is
    57        we leave it there and wait and see what happens.  If you
    58        think, as a result of Mr. Rampton referring to something
    59        which, rightly or wrongly, you did not expect him to refer
    60        to, you have been put at a disadvantage, you have to tell

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