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LAST MONTHS TALKING POINT WAS...
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE ST WHICH HAS PUT PEOPLE OFF OF BUYING IT?
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The response to this little talking point was quite good and it outraged
quite a few of you as most of you thought it was nothing to do with the ST
itself that put people off but how ATARI portrayed itself and lack of
advertising and so on. Basically, a large number of you thought that people
WOULD buy an ST if people knew it was there!
Let's get on with a pick of what I received on this subject...
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Dear POWER,
There are lots of little bits and pieces which put people off of
buying an ST. Even the simple placing of the joystick ports puts off more
people that you would think. I am a shop assistant at Dixons and when we
were selling the ST, at least three customers who I served were put off
simply by the joystick ports.
Another common reason for not buying the ST was the fact that it couldn't be
upgraded over 4 megabytes and even though most people wouldn't upgrade this
high anyway, they like to know that they can if they want to.
The other thing that put people off were the packs. On many occasions I was
asked if it was possible to get a pack, 'more like the AMIGA one' rather
than the boring ST one which had some dreadful, old software in. A few
customers bought the Curriculum pack because of the software thinking that
the children would benefit but I had two packs returned simply because they
didn't think the pack was good enough and a lot of people who wanted to see
the software up and running soon changed their mind about purchasing the ST
once they had seen the actual packages up and running.
These simple factors are overlooked by most. Everyone puts it down to ATARI
and their crap marketing skills and although this plays the biggest part in
it, a lot of other sales are lost through silly little things such as the
position of the joystick ports. Gaming is just too important for too many
people so things such as badly positioned joysticks and no games in the big
bundle pack can easily mean no sale.
From Daz Richards
POWER REPLIES:
Some very interesting points indeed and it's true, many people overlook
these things but obviously, they DO make a difference. It seems that those
bloody joy ports not only annoy us, 'Already-ST-Owning-People', but also
people which haven't even bought one yet! Why the hell was ATARI so stupid
to put them there?!
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Dear POWER,
I don't think that it is the actual ST that people don't want to
buy, it's the company that they don't want to buy INTO. Just the name ATARI
puts a lot of people off because there is some kind of stigma about it.
ATARI has a reputation and all you have to do is mention the name and people
will sneer. Because of this, even if the actual customer wants to buy one,
(s)he will soon be put off by the shop assistant who will encourage them to
buy a more expensive machine or simply air their views about how bad the ST
is when they don't know what they're on about, they're simply going on what
people say about ATARI. Then, these customers come out with a different
computer than an ST, are happy with it and start saying the same things.
It's a vicious circle!
From Jan Van Winsen
POWER REPLIES:
Mmmmm....
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Dear POWER,
It is quite simple why people are put off of buying an ST. From
the very start, you know that the ST does not have many decent games backing
it up. The packs it comes in are crap and everyone knows that ATARI aren't
supported well in the games sector and seeing as it is computer games which
now sell a machine, the ST doesn't sell.
From Deranjit
POWER REPLIES:
Sad but true...
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Dear POWER,
I don't think that it is the ST itself that puts people off of
buying it or even the bad reputation that ATARI have for not supporting the
ST properly. I think it is simply a case of people not knowing about the ST
and with most people, even if they know about the ST, unless they've had one
before, they don't know where to get one.
I believe that the ST is no longer produced at all but I never knew how to
get one anyway. I got my one second hand. Before that I had tried to get
one from computer shops but nowhere sold them and after searching and
searching through the magazines I couldn't find anywhere that sold them
apart from SILLICA SYSTEMS and they were sold out everytime I went to order
one.
If you don't know about the ST, how can you buy one?
From Marie-Louise Green
POWER REPLIES:
Yes...Even if you HAD got a computer from SILLICA SYSTEMS, I doubt it would
have worked after all the troubles I had. If ya don't know what I'm talking
about, get the earlier issues of POWER and read 'SILLICA SYSTEMS' and 'MY
COMPUTER PROBLEMS CONTINUE...'.
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Dear POWER,
For some reason I don't often reply to 'Talking Point' but this
month I thought I would send in a quick contribution to last months topic,
"what has put people off buying the ST."
The obvious answer is poor marketing but I tend to think that is correct
but a little unspecific. The designers of the Atari obviously knew what they
wanted to design which was a serious tool that could play games but the
financial and selling part of the company really had no idea what the ST
was all about or capable of. If the ST was sold with a starter pack that
contained a few programs like Intro Concept, Video Titler, Noter and
perhaps even an Atari run diskzine then the users would be immediately
introduced into a semi-serious and inter-active Atari scene.
At the moment if a new user buys a new 520 STFM from Silica Systems they
get STOS (good!), First Basic (why if you get STOS?) Neochrome (good) and
four crappy games. If you buy a 1040 STE you get Play and Learn, Junior
School, GCSE, (who wants to pay 200 quid for quiz games) Hyperpaint (good)
Music Maker (good), 1st Word (excellent-but who do you write to?), First
Basic (where's STOS?) and some crappy games.
The result of this is the serious user has no idea what the Atari can
do,(no databases, spreadsheets ect. are given away) and the younger or less
serious user has nothing to interact with and more importantly the younger
user has nothing constructive to show their parents. This means that
parents regard the Atari as a non-productive, over-large games machine with
a limited attention span for their kids and the semi-serious user or small
business man has no idea what the Atari is capable of and ends up paying
4 or 5 times as much for a PC with megabytes of ram he won't use.
It seems to me that the software that's given with the Atari to introduce
the new user is almost designed to encourage them to hide away in their
bedroom for a few hours a month and bang away at a crappy game or to
struggle to learn a programming language and if they fail there is nobody
around to help them. If they do manage to learn a languague, what the hell
do they do with it?
Learning STOS is a lively and active pastime with hundreds of people all
over the country willing to help, show and swap ideas.
But the software Atari give away does not show that.
There are hundreds of applications, programs and uses for the small
businessman or serious user.
But the software that Atari give away does not show that.
There are hundreds of uses for schoolwork apart from typing homework, such
as making posters for school functions, leaflets, title pages for projects
etc.
But the software Atari give away does not show that.
There are hundreds of contacts that help, give advice, swap software,
correspond and generally keep Atari alive.
But the software Atari give away does not show that.
What I'm trying to say is that it's not just the marketing that is the
reason why the Atari is in decline; it's the software supplied when you buy a
new machine that is the problem. A parent is not immpressed if their child
spends 2 hours on some game and rushes downstairs saying they have
reached level 5 but they would be impressed if they saw their child load a
disk that had music a scroller and a sprite dancing over a picture they had
produced in 20 minutes with Intro Concept. A small businessman would be
impressed if he saw that for £150 he could buy a machine that could handle
his accounts, invoices, mail merge, plot sales graphs and control stock.
I seem to be wibbling on far too much for a letter so I'm gonna shut up but
as you can see, I think it's not so much the marketing that's at fault,
it's the way Atari seem to have hidden a superb computers capabilities by
introducing the new user to lame programs designed isolate them from the
true Atari scene. (I bought mine 5 BLOODY YEARS AGO and only realised what
was going on last year through POWER!).
Finally in answer to the Question, 'what is putting people off buying the
Atari', my answer is, ATARI!!!
POWER REPLIES:
Phew! Some very good points there, and once again, the software that is
given away with the ST seems to be at fault which actually makes a lot of
sense as it is the first disk that you load up which is going to influence
your first impressions of the machine. It's good to hear that POWER got
you through into the P.D. world though Gary and I know that you are now very
involved and have some very big plans (watch this space for more info, if
and when I'm allowed to release it!). It's ashame that we couldn't strike
a little deal with ATARI where an issue of POWER was given away with every
ST sold. Oh well!
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Dear POWER,
I think that a lot of people are put off of buying an ST because
of its image. It's not seen as the 'trendy', 'fashionable', 'cool' computer
like the AMIGA is and therefore, it loses out on the majority of its
potential customers...The kids! What ATARI need to do is get a cool pair of
sunglasses, some trendy Levi jeans and then filter themselves through into
their computers...Give it a good image through the means of new, 'in' games
and advertising which hypes the computer up.
Now that ST producing has stopped though, it's too late anyway!
From Coot
POWER REPLIES:
I'm not 100% sure but I think that the making of ST's is still going on
after the date to end producing was put back a while. Something tells me
they stop August this year but as I say...I'm not sure!
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Dear POWER,
I think that people are put off of buying the ST because all the
other computers are hyped up so much. If no computer advertised, then the
ST would still be selling like hot-cakes but because the ST isn't advertised
at all, the other computers get the customers. By advertising, I don't even
mean adverts on the radio or T.V, I mean SHOP advertising. If a shop
actually sells an ST (and this is very rare!), it is usually tucked away in
a little corner whereas the AMIGA has a big cardboard cut out advertising it
in a big display case, all switched on so you can try it out. Something as
simple as this can sway a new, potential customer to buy the AMIGA rather
than the ST even if they know nothing about how ATARI are crap at marketing
and the lack in commercial support. The prices of the two machines are very
similar and now, there is only a difference of about £10 in most shops.
It's like when you buy a car. If there are two cars, both the same price
with the same capabilities then you don't know which one to buy, you'll
probably just choose the colour that you prefer but if one car has a
virtually naked man or woman stretched over it with balloons tied to it and
lots of eyecatching material around it, then you will buy THAT car because
you get a false sense of security with it.
From Ian S.
POWER REPLIES:
Very true. I've seen this happening in many shops where the ST is usually
one of the very old models, very dingy, sometimes even with broken keys and
damaged in places while the AMIGA looks spanking new and is linked upto a
T.V. so that you can play around with it. Remember in my 'MY COMPUTER
PROBLEMS CONTINUE...' article, I said that I eventually took my business to
DIXONS and they had no stock so they gave me an ST from the display
case...Well, it was all falling apart, it was incredibly dirty, had a couple
of keys missing and the back was coming off...This is what they were
displaying as an example of the ST...If I didn't know about the ST and saw
that, I would be off of buying an ST too!
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Dear James,
What is it that has put people off of buying the ST? Hmm. Good
question.
I think that some of the blame lies in the fact that some people try and
obtain credit for somone elses work. The person who was going to buy an
ST then decides 'Well, if I create music, it'll be ripped by someone' or
'If I create graphics, THEY'll be ripped by someone else.' They then decide
that they would rather move onto a scene where no-one will bother ripping
graphics (Such as the AMIGA scene. Nobody even KNOWS how to rip graphics in
the AMIGA scene!).
Basically, people who take the credit for others work are lamers. I'm NOT
having a go at anyone in particular, by the way.
Anonymous
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Well, that's it for this month. Thanks to all that wrote in, I hope that
you continue to express your views on the Talking Point of the month. This
month, our Talking Point is...
WHAT DO YOU INTEND TO DO WHEN THE ST FINALLY DIES COMPLETELY?
Please send in your views and opinions on the above topic before the 20th of
April if you want a chance of having it published. Your views are greatly
appreciated and your one may even be printed!