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19-Jul-82 21:35:26-PDT,5308;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 19-Jul-82 21:33:25
Date: 19 Jul 1982 2133-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #89
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
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TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 20 July 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 89
Today's Topics: French Teletext - Queries
Rate Steps & Operator Talking Responses
Area Code Splits & N1X, N0X Prefixes - Right On Schedule
More ESS Lossage - "You Can't Get There From Here"
Panel Exists In Stevens Pass, Washington?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 16 Jul 1982 1413-EDT
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: French teletext
Someone mentioned recently that they were well on the way to
installing a terminal in every home over there, and having just about
everything [including ads for the kitchen sink] online. This country
is supposed to be so technologically advanced, etc., then why don't
*we* have such a system set up as of long ago?? It seems to me that
the French are actually ahead of us in that respect.
Does anyone know details about the connection hardware they use for
this? How fast the terminals are? What kind of machines the
databases are kept on??
_H*
------------------------------
Date: 16 July 1982 1157-PDT (Friday)
From: lauren at UCLA-Security (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: rate steps
I know of no systems that give call costs -- only rate steps.
Operators still generally must look up the actual call cost in their
little flip-page "directory".
Of course, you COULD generate actual call costs via an online V&H
coordinates database... but as far as I know this is never done... I
wouldn't be too surprised if this level of sophistication does not
appear down the line a little ways, however.
--Lauren--
------------------------------
Date: 18 Jul 82 3:34:11-EDT (Sun)
From: Randall Gellens <gellens.CC@UDel-Relay>
Subject: operator talking response
What about when you call the operator and ask for a rate or verify
or other service on a non-local call, and they first punch in some
thing and usually leave the line open so you can hear the machine
(recordings?) say something like "route plus seven zero" or whatever?
------------------------------
Date: 16 Jul 82 16:12:13-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: right on time
My summary of splits, etc., plus the new item about Chicago area 312
getting N0X and N1X, prompt the following recollection from the New
York Times 1973 article about LA area's N0X and N1X: It said that NYC
would probably be the next to get such prefixes, followed possibly by
Chicago, and that LA area's taking such prefixes delays splitting that
area by about 10 years. We're moving right on schedule!
------------------------------
Date: 18 Jul 82 3:25:45-EDT (Sun)
From: Randall Gellens <gellens.CC@UDel-Relay>
Subject: "you can't get there from here"
I recently completed a project in the DC area and am in the process of
moving back to Delaware...I called the local insurance agent to have
them transfer my car policy, and the number listed in the phone book
got me an intercept of the form "the number...has been changed..."
Well, the new number turned out to be a rather unfortunate individual
who was tired & frustrated at getting insurance calls...his number was
indeed the one the recording referred to...I then called another
office of the insurance company, and they told me that the original
number listed in the phone book was correct. This other agent put me
on hold and dialed the phone-book listed number on another line and
got through. He also gave me another number that bypassed the
office's main receptionist. I tried the original phone-book number
again, and got the same recording. However, I could get through on
the other number, bypassing the desk and going direct to the manager's
office (who got my insurance straightened out and promised to look
into the phone problem).
We have had ESS on most, but not all, exchanges for a few years now.
[These are really the hardest bugs to get the Telephone Company to
fix. --JSol]
------------------------------
Date: Sat Jul 17 11:59:45 1982
From: duke!decvax!harpo!lime!houca!houxi!houxb!houxc!ad7i at Berkeley
Panel exsists in Stevens Pass, Washingon, a small ski resort community
and railroad thru point. The office is in two fiberglass huts,
usually buried by snow in the winter. The office supports about 15
lines and is connected to the outside world by 11 GHz uWave. The
system is owned and operated by Gen Tel of NW. I doubt they will
change it in the next 15 years.
Stevens Pass, Washington, is a very pleasent place to spend a summers
afternoon; even if it mean twideling with a yo-yo uWave radio. Back
to the good old days.
Paul Newland
BTL Holmdel.
[Note from the moderator: TELECOM is distributed to USENET sites via
BRL-BMD. You cannot use the return path to send replies, you must send
netmail to "...ucbvax!telecom". --JSol]
------------------------------
End of TELECOM Digest
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22-Jul-82 12:49:36-PDT,2624;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 22-Jul-82 12:46:08
Date: 22 Jul 1982 1246-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #90
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 22 July 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 90
Today's Topics:
Article Requested - France's Computerized DA
Stevens Pass is X-Y Step - Not Panel
Cellular Radio Transceivers
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 20 July 1982 08:11-EDT (Tuesday)
From: Sam Hsu <FHsu at BBNG>
To: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Cc: TELECOM at MIT-MC
I've had pointers to Telecommunications mag. and EDN, but have been
unable to locate the article. If anyone sees anything, or finds the
article, please post. I'll have to get back to the original guy i
heard this from (who heard it from someone else, who heard it from
someone else,...).
------------------------------
Date: 20 Jul 1982 1558-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Stevens Pass is X-Y Step
I just spoke with Paul Newland about Stevens Pass. He was right in
that it was not ESS, Crossbar, or Strowger, but wrong in believing
that it is panel. It is, in fact, a SxS office, which instead of
operating in the cylindrical mode of Strowger switches, operates in an
X-Y plane. Except for the physical arrangement of the switches, it is
the same as Strowger, and still Step by step.
------------------------------
Date: 20 Jul 1982 1612-PDT
From: Ian H. Merritt <MERRITT at USC-ISIB>
Subject: Stevens Pass, Wash.
I placed a call to the 206-973 prefix (Stevens Pass) to try to
determine the type of switching system. It doesn't sound like Panel.
It sounded more like perhaps crossbar with new tone generators. Are
you sure there is really a switch located in those fiberglass shacks?
<>IHM<>
------------------------------
Date: 22 Jul 1982 12:30 EDT
From: Slade.WBST at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Cellular Radio Transceivers
Does anyone have any information about any company building components
for or complete telephone transceivers for the new cellular
Radio-telephone service that has been authorized by the FCC?
I have used sveral databases and have come up only with articles on
who is trying, planning etc. to get the franchise from the FCC for
various locations but nothing about who is or will make the
transceivers.
Can anyone offer any help?
------------------------------
End of TELECOM Digest
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23-Jul-82 13:59:02-PDT,7817;000000000001
Mail-From: JSOL created at 23-Jul-82 13:57:42
Date: 23 Jul 1982 1357-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #91
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 23 July 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 91
Today's Topics: French DA Project
Rate Quoting Systems
Who's Going To Make Cellular Radios
Dial-A-joke & Dial-A-Prayer Move Over ==> Dial-FREE-Sex!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 22 July 1982 1648-PDT (Thursday)
From: lauren at UCLA-Security (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: French DA project
For the record, the French project is actually rather simplistic in
terms of technology. The terminals being handed out are very cheap
CRT's with simple (not full alphanumeric) keyboards. They would not
be useful for fullscale "normal" computer usage, though perhaps they
would be adequate for Viewdata types of queries (I don't think they
have that capability right now, however. Viewdata generally assumes
color monitors for full effect, and these are simple monochrome
CRT's). I'm not too sure what baud rate they are using for the
project. It would either be 300 or 1200/150 split (the Viewdata
standard).
There is already a considerable backslash to the whole project forming
in France. Many persons object to having to hassle with making a
phone call (apparently charged at regular metered local rates!) to
reach the service. Since the plan is to discontinue the mass
publishing of most phone books, people feel that they are being
"railroaded" into using a technology that in many instances will be
LESS convenient to use than the phone book (you have to go to the room
where the terminal is located, you can't look up a number if somebody
else is using the phone, you pay for the call, etc.)
All in all, the public reaction to the plan has been very mixed.
--Lauren--
------------------------------
Date: 22 Jul 1982 2053-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Rate Quoting Systems
Rate quoting voice-response computers have been around for years; I
remember hearing them as early as 1968 in the Washington, D.C. area.
They all work by having an on-line copy of the V&H coordinate data
base, which also contains info like operators route (how to reach an
operator closer to the destination) and which digits to check for
collect calls to avoid coin phones.
The systems provide different amounts of information based on the
input format. If just an NPANXX is entered, info about which phones
are coin stations and how to reach the distant operator is provided.
If NPANXXNPANXX is entered, the rate step between the two points will
be the reply. Credit (calling) card validation can also be done.
Some of the systems also allow NPANXXNPANXX+timeofday+number
ofminutes+typeofcall to be entered. The cost of the call is the
response. Note that to do this, the only additional online database
required is the translation of a few rate steps into cost. The big
database with V&H info is required just to get the rate step.
Back in the old days of cord switchboards with MF pads for the
operators, these systems were reached by dialing the operator code
assigned to them. When they answered it was with an MF receiver, so
the operator just keyed the input.
On TSPS, which does not have an MF pad under control of the operator,
calls to RQS were handled by a sequence which looked like an overseas
sequence, because TSPS could only do "dual- stage-outpulsing" (dialing
one number, waiting for response, and then outpulsing additional
digits) when handling overseas calls, which currently also work this
way (your CO or TSPS dials up an overseas sender, then blasts the
overseas country code and number at the sender). Newer generics in
TSPS have a special program specifically for RQS.
Operator training is different from place to place. In some places,
operator work time is considered so important, that the extra time
involved in putting one TSPS loop on hold and going to another to
place the call (not to mention the slight bit of extra equipment put
to work) is frowned upon, and operators are encouraged to make these
kind of calls (to the computer RQS or to rate-and-route operators)
with the customer on the line. In other places, the phone com- pany's
secrecy madness takes over, and these kind of calls are always placed
with the customer on hold.
------------------------------
Date: 22 Jul 82 23:53:43-PST (Thu)
From: Stef.uci at UDel-Relay
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #90
Via: UCI; 23 Jul 82 5:54-EDT
According to an article in Business Week some months ago (reference
lost), Motorola has a product for cellular radio called a DYNATAC,
which, when I tried it out after I found someone who had loan of one,
performed very well indeed. Stef
------------------------------
Date: 22 Jul 1982 2028-PDT
Sender: GEOFF at SRI-CSL
Subject: Dial-A-joke & Dial-A-Prayer move over ==> Dial-A-Sex!
From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
Reply-To: Geoff at SRI-CSL
a226 1343 21 Jul 82
AM-Dialing for Sex, Bjt,560
2,000 Callers An Hour For 'Free Phone Sex'
By RICK HAMPSON
Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) - Dial-a-Prayer, Dial-a-Joke and other prerecorded
telephone message lines have been joined by an X-rated newcomer named
''Free Phone Sex'' whose callers range from curious youngsters to
bored night-shift workers.
''We're averaging 2,000 calls an hour,'' many of them long
distance, said Ira Kirschenbaum, vice president of High Society
magazine.
The call-in line is designed to bolster sales of the magazine,
which features pictures of naked women in various sexual poses and is
described by Kirschenbaum as ''strictly a girlie book.''
The prerecorded, three-minute ''message'' is an audio
accompaniment to a series of photos in the monthly magazine that
illustrate a prurient story line.
Kirschenbaum said 1.5 million calls have been received in the two
months since the magazine opened the line. ''A lot of people call
again and again. The phone company is making a lot of money,'' he
added. to the New YSYMPATHETIC. [I received it garbled --JSol] ''I
understand how they feel,'' he said. ''Once I found my son was calling
a Santa Claus line seven times a day at 50 cents a call.''
Telephone company spokesman on both sides of the border said there
was nothing that could be done to prevent anyone from operating a sex
line. ''We are not censors,'' said Mark Kenville, a spokesman for New
York Telephone. ''Telephone conversations are none of our business,
except when it's an annoyance call.''
Kenville confirmed that the ''Free Phone Sex'' line's 60 recording
devices are deluged with an estimated average of 42,000 calls an hour,
only 2,000 of which get through.
Charles Hernandez of the Federal Communications Commission said his
agency had no jurisdiction over such calls. Telephone wires, unlike
the airwaves, are not public, and telephone users are not licensed, he
noted.
''We get complaints, but people call these numbers of their own
free will. No one forces them to listen,'' he said.
Kirschenbaum said it is too early to tell if the recording will
boost circulation. Regardless, he said, the magazine plans to
supplement sounds and pictures with more words. ''We need some
socially redeeming content,'' he explained.
[The telephone number for the prerecorded sex conversation
is 212-883-8877]
The AP
ap-ny-07-21 1644EDT
------------------------------
End of TELECOM Digest
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26-Jul-82 21:13:46-PDT,2343;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 26-Jul-82 21:13:24
Date: 26 Jul 1982 2113-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #92
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TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 27 July 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 92
Today's Topics:
Remote Access Of Phone Answering Machines
NPANXX - Whazzat?
VA3451P Burst Errors
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 23 Jul 1982 13:30:58-PDT
From: CSVAX.pag at Berkeley
Subject: Remote access of phone answering machine
I recently purchased the relatively new "TAD-150" phone answering
machine made by Radio Shack. This is the model which has remote
access, and time stamps each message. My problem: whenever I try to
call the machine remotely to get my messages, it does not respond to
the code tones generated by the remote control unit. However it does
respond when I call it from a phone located relatively nearby ( and on
the same exhange). Any ideas? I'd also be interested in hearing from
others who also have TAD-150's.
--peter gross
arpa: CSVAX.pag@BERKELEY
uucp: ucbvax!pag
------------------------------
Date: 23 July 1982 1810-EDT (Friday)
From: Mark.Sherman at CMU-10A
Subject: NPANXX
What does "NPANXX" mean?
-Mark Sherman (Sherman@CMU-10A)
[NPA = Area code, NXX = Prefix (first 3 digits after area code). I
don't know the historical data. --JSol]
------------------------------
Date: 26 Jul 82 0:13:29-EDT (Mon)
From: J C Pistritto <jcp@BRL>
Subject: VA3451P errors
I have a Vadic 3451P, which I use from the Baltimore Md. area to
connect to a computer in Northern Virginia. I seem to be getting
burst errors at the rate of one error per ~500 chars or so, with each
error being 8 to 10 chars at 1200 baud, (~10msec) in duration. This
happens whether I use Sprint or 'Genuine Bell' to make the connection,
and my local line works fine for calls to Baltimore area computers.
The modem on the other end is one of the Anderson-Jacobsen Vadic
look-alikes. Does anyone have any idea as to the cause/solution of
this problem?
-JCP-
------------------------------
End of TELECOM Digest
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27-Jul-82 15:46:37-PDT,3864;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 27-Jul-82 15:45:54
Date: 27 Jul 1982 1545-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #93
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TELECOM AM Digest Wednesday, 28 July 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 93
Today's Topics: Quad Protocol Modem - 2400 Baud!
Lack Of Telephones For The Poor - Could Affect Rate Increase In N. Y.
Query Reply - What Does NPA/NXX Mean?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 27 Jul 1982 0446-PDT
From: Geoffrey C Mulligan (AFDSC, The Pentagon) at RAND-AI
Reply-To: Geoffm at Rand-Ai
Subject: Quad protocol modem
Now you too can have 2400 bps dial up service. Racal-Vadic has
announced their new VA4400 line of modems. The new modem incorporates
a 2400-bps, full duplex modem, a VA3400, a Bell 212A and a Bell 103 in
one unit. The VA4401 can originate calls to, and answer calls from,
all four of these modem types. It is build around the 16-bit
Fairchild 9445 microprocessor, which performs the analog signal
processing functions for all four modems. It automatically determines
if the modem it is communicating with is 2400 bps, 1200 bps or 300 bps
and operates at the highest speed. It can be connected to the VA811
autodialer and/or direct connected to phone lines. The VA4401 will
sell for around $1945, in single quantities. It will also be
available in a 2400 bps version only for $1745.
geoff
------------------------------
Date: 27-Jul-82 12:30:28 PDT (Tuesday)
From: Newman.es at PARC-MAXC
Subject: No telephones for the poor
From today's New York Times digest:
NEW YORK - A lack of telephones among the poor was cited by the
New York State attorney general, Robert Abrams, in testifying in
opposition to a proposed $878 million annual rate increase sought by
the New York Telephone Co.. Abrams said there were no telephones in
two-thirds of poor households in New York City, 25 percent of all
households in the Bronx and 41 percent of homes in Brooklyn's
Williamsburg section.
------------------------------
Date: 27 July 1982 1325-PDT (Tuesday)
From: lauren at UCLA-Security (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: NPA/NXX
NPA stands for Numbering Plan Area -- the official term for area
codes. NXX is one of the number group designators which are precisely
defined in the "Notes on Direct Distance Dialing" and other similar
Bell System technical publications.
To be more precise, the standard NPA definition has been:
N 0/1 X
where X = any number from 0 to 9
and N = any number from 2 to 9
Ultimately, when all NPA's of this form are exhausted, the form will
change to:
N X X
... using the same N and X definitions as above.
Similarly, the longstanding definition of a central office code
(prefix) has been:
N N X
... but is converting over to:
N X X
in some areas (such as L.A. and New York, currently).
[and soon in Chicago --JSol]
Note that eventually we will have BOTH prefixes that "look" like area
codes AND area codes that look like prefixes -- so it is obvious why
"1+" dialing conventions (and dialing timeouts in some areas) are very
important to provide a means for differentiating between the two types
of codes.
I seem to recall submitting a rather lengthy table of information to
TELECOM (on this very subject) at some time in the fairly recent past
which included the maximum number of codes in each category, as well
as other data. Presumably this material is in the TELECOM archives
for any interested parties.
--Lauren--
[Thanks also to John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO> for providing
a similar explanation of NPANXX. --JSol]
------------------------------
End of TELECOM Digest
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28-Jul-82 14:09:08-PDT,5356;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 28-Jul-82 14:08:03
Date: 28 Jul 1982 1408-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #94
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
Reply-To: TELECOM at USC-ECLB
TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 29 July 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 94
Today's Topics:
Phone Service Outage - Some Not Affected?
Whats NPANXX - More Detailed Expansion Notes
Survey - Portable Telephone Sought
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 27 Jul 82 21:24:55 EDT (Tue)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: phone service outage
According to the local paper, phone service here was "out of order"
for about 75 minutes today. I was logged on to our machine via a
dial-up port during that time; I experienced no interruption of
service. How is that arranged? (John Covert mentioned in a previous
note that the University at least is serviced by a No. 1 ESS CO
CENTREX; I assume that's what serves the town as well. I was calling
a University number from a non-University phone.) I was no longer
logged on when service was restored, so I don't know if the
restoration process ("they then begin to load the system recovery
tape, and get an arrangement of the system configuration tape") would
have dropped my line. My speed-dialing codes are still correct, but I
haven't changed any lately; even an old backup tape would have them
right. Comments?
--Steve
------------------------------
Date: 27 Jul 1982 22:25:45-PDT
From: ihnss!houxn!govern at Berkeley
Explanation of NPA-NXX:
NPA=Numbering Plan Area, thus = area code
NXX: N is a digit from 2....9
X is any digit
For quite a while, the North American Numbering Plan used NPAs of the
form N [01] X, and central office codes of the form NNX. This permits
simple translations to distinguish between 7 and 10 digit numbers,
allowing enough digits to be collected (on stored-program-control
switches) or forwarded (on step-by-step). However, there are only 640
NNXs, vs. 800 NXXs, and it is often less traumatic to convert to NXX
central office codes instead of splitting an area code when the NNXs
run out. (This requires another mechanism for distinguishing between
7 and 10 digit calls: either timing after the 7th digit
(non-standard), or requiring all 10-digit calls to use a "1" prefix (
the approved method, and future standard )). The 1+10 digits is a
mild annoyance for people who aren't used to it, and there are some
difficulties in areas with step-by-step, where you dial 1 for a
7-digit toll call. According to "Notes on the Network", the
recommended solution for 7-digit toll calls from step-by-step
switches, when NXXs are used, is 1-NPA-NXX-XXXX, where NPA is your own
area code. 1-NXX-XXXX with time-out is not recommended, but it's
probably done in some places.
The tining mechanism is normally a 4-second wait after the 7th
digit, and is only needed when you dial a code that is used as a
central office code as well as an NPA.
The phone company is trying to get everyone to dial 1+ for
10-digit toll calls by 1990, whether you need it or not. Area codes
of the form N[01]X will run out around the year 2000 (+-5 or so), and
area codes of the form NN0 will be introduced after that.
Bill Stewart, BTL West Long Branch, New Jersey
------------------------------
Date: 28 Jul 1982 1115-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <JSol at USC-ECLC>
Subject: Portable Telephone Wanted:
I am looking for a portable telephone, which must have the following
features:
1 - a range of at least 2 miles (low wattage units with extenders are
plausable)
2 - some form of code number. Preferably something which logs failures
so I know when I am being hacked, but not necessary.
3 - touch tone preferred but not required.
4 - FCC approved for both transmissions and interconnection to Telephone
Network.
I want 2 of these beasts. If you know of any portable telephones which
are on the market today which can be of help to me, please let me know.
Let's assume I don't get any responses to this. I have an ad for
a "ROVA/PRO" Cordless Extension Phone, 3 models, one with a 5
mile radius, one with a 15 mile radius, and one with a 25 mile radius.
It is NOT FCC approved for use in USA (displayed in fine print on the
ad itself).
I called the number on the Ad, and the salesman told me that the 25
mile radius one's mobile transmits on the 49 Megahertz band (typical
band for portable phones) at 25 Watts, and the base transmits on the 70
MHZ band at 30 Watts. I did not ask if the unit had an FCC registration
number for telephone interconnect. He claims that the 70 MHZ band is
the loser, and is why the FCC won't approve of its use.
What would I have to do to make this unit legal? Is it worth spending
the $800 bucks on it to get 99% of the workings of a phone, and perhaps
change one set of crystals (and adjust the transmitter accordingly)?
Could I have a Radio Tech. do this and get approval from the FCC?
Could I get an FCC registration number if there isn't one? Should I
give up and wait 2 years for Cellular?
Cheers,
--JSol
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End of TELECOM Digest
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29-Jul-82 18:00:20-PDT,4348;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 29-Jul-82 17:59:53
Date: 29 Jul 1982 1759-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #95
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 30 July 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 95
Today's Topics:
Dart II - Another Hart Line?
Portable Telephones And Other Losing FCC Decisions
Whats NPANXX - A Query About Dialing "1+" for Long Distance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 28 Jul 1982 2027-EDT
From: Charles B. Weinstock <Weinstock at CMU-20C>
Subject: Dart II
Does anyone out there know anything about an alternative long distance
service known as Dart II. They are advertising locally that for a $15
installation fee, and a $3 monthly charge, you can save 20% or more on
interstate calls to anywhere in the country. Sounds like the Hart
Line scheme to me, but I suppose it could be like MCI's new deal (call
anywhere in the country, and MCI will take you on their net as close
as possible, and then use Bell the rest of the way). Also, I wonder
why the $15 fee?
Chuck
------------------------------
Date: 29 Jul 1982 0800-PDT
Sender: WMARTIN at OFFICE-8
Subject: Portable telephones
From: WMartin at Office-8 (Will Martin)
Since the subject was mentioned, I thought I'd relay some comments
about the cheap portable telephones that are flooding the market that
have been aired on Glenn Hauser's "World of Radio" syndicated radio
show. (This is aired on some NPR [and other] FM stations, and on
shortwave on WRNO, 2330 GMT Sundays, 11855 kHz. It is a "magazine"
show about all aspects of radio, emphasizing shortwave and
international broadcasting.)
Glenn has been discussing reports from SWL's (shortwave listeners)
about hearing these portable phones; they use the chunk of spectrum
from 1600 to 1900 kHz, just above the AM BCB. The main reaction is
disgust at yet another source of spectrum pollution degrading the RF
environment. Also it seems many users don't realize that the signals
carry farther than their home environs; they disclose private matters
as if it was a closed-line telephone call.
There are also opportunities for phone phreak abuse of these; using
the portable portion to access someone else's base and thus make
long-distance calls on their bill is one obvious technique. Another
is to monitor the frequencies for users of Sprint, MCI, and the like,
and decode the customer code numbers from the transmitted tones.
I haven't been listening for those portable phone signals, but I gusee
I should try -- any other SWL's out there picked up any?
It's really amazing that the frequencies chosen for this service were
so poorly determined; of course, the FCC has a long history of
complete ineptitude in frequency choosing; consider the ill effects of
the 26-27 MHz choice of CB frequencies, encouraging harmonic TVI and
selecting frequencies which would skip for long-distance
communications, and then trying to administratively prohibit what is
technically possible! (Dumb!)
Sigh, Will Martin
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Date: 29 Jul 1982 11:20 EDT
From: Axelrod.WBST at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Re: Whats NPANXX - A Query About Dialing "1+" for Long Distance
cc: Axelrod.wbst
Several people have discussed the matter of dialing "1" + 10 digits in
terms of distinguishing between 7 and 10 digit numbers. However,
recently I have heard some discussions of another reason for having
the Long Distance access code, related to the impending Bell split,
and deregulation. The conjecture is that ATT Long Lines will no
longer have a monopoly on long distance calling, and that other long
distance comon carriers, (MCI, Sprint, etc) will ask for, and be
granted access to local CO's. According to this conjecture, the
subscriber might then have the option of dialing "1"+10 digits for ATT
Long Lines, and say, "10"+10 digits for MCI, etc. (This would seem to
introduce a whole new set of ambiguities, wouldn't it?)
Does anyone have any information, or educated opinions on this
subject?
Art Axelrod
Xerox Webster Research Center
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 2-Aug-82 17:43:20
Date: 2 Aug 1982 1743-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #96
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TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 3 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 96
Today's Topics:
The Consent Decree - Customer Preference Among Carriers
Reduced-Rate Long Distance Services - Anything Intrastate
Dialing 1+ For Long Distance - Was Going To Happen Anyway
NPA Trivia - N0X, N1X Had Different Meanings
Boundaries - Prefix And County Boundaries Sometime Overlap
What Will Area Codes Look Like When We Run Out Of N0X, N1X?
10+ And 950 Prefix
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Date: 30 July 1982 09:49-EDT
From: "Marvin A. Sirbu, Jr." <SIRBU at MIT-MC>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #95
Several people have discussed the matter of dialing "1" + 10
digits in terms of distinguishing between 7 and 10 digit
numbers. However, recently I have heard some discussions of
another reason for having the Long Distance access code,
related to the impending Bell split, and deregulation. The
conjecture is that ATT Long Lines will no longer have a
monopoly on long distance calling, and that other long
distance comon carriers, (MCI, Sprint, etc) will ask for, and
be granted access to local CO's. According to this
conjecture, the subscriber might then have the option of
dialing "1"+10 digits for ATT Long Lines, and say, "10"+10
digits for MCI, etc. (This would seem to introduce a whole
new set of ambiguities, wouldn't it?)
The Consent Decree does indeed forsee that MCI, SPC and the like will
be given some kind of abbreviated access codes similar to the 1+ which
now gets you to AT&T Long Lines. Indeed there is already an
independent telephone company somewhere in Nebraska that is offering
its customers access to MCI by dialing 6+ 10 digits.
The Consent Decree also forsees that users will be able to designate a
"preferred" long distance carrier to their local telco. Then whether
they dial 1+ their calls will be routed to the preferred carrier.
The technical problems in providing such acess remain to be resolved.
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Date: 30 Jul 1982 1038-PDT
Sender: WMARTIN at OFFICE-8
Subject: Reduced-rate long distance services
From: WMartin at Office-8 (Will Martin)
The vast majority of LD calls on my bill are intRAstate, within
Missouri, from my wife to a relatively close small town where her
relatives live. When they moved from Illinois to Missouri, our LD
bills shot up, due to the organized persecution of all intrastate LD
callers.
Are there any of the reduced rate services that will help me at all on
this? I had gleaned the impression that they are all oriented toward
savings on interstate calls between major metropolitan areas. Will
any help on intrastate calls to small towns?
Thanks, Will Martin
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Date: 30 July 1982 1253-PDT (Friday)
From: lauren at UCLA-Security (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Whats NPANXX - A Query About Dialing "1+" for Long Distance
Depending on what's left after the various courts, congress, and the
FCC get finished, there is a good chance that the "alternate" carriers
will get some sort of direct access. However, the access method
chosen can be expected *not* to introduce new ambiguities -- that
would be kinda pointless wouldn't it?
The plans for 1+ dialing go *way* back. Even my original copy of
"Notes on the Network" gives timetables on 1+ implementation -- all
phones in the U.S. were to be converted to 1+ for DDD calling before
1990 regardless of other factors. Recent events are only speeding up
that preplanned process.
--Lauren--
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Date: 31 Jul 1982 08:30:43-EDT
From: dee at CCA-UNIX (Donald Eastlake)
Subject: minor NPA note
Originally, NPAs of the form N0X were for states or provinces that had
one NPA and those of the form N1X were used in states and provinces
with more than one NPA. Donald Eastlake (dee@CCA-UNIX)
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Date: 28 Jul 82 15:16:17-EDT (Wed)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
Subject: boundaries
Phone prefixes, in general, are not limited by county lines. This
caused a problem in recent years at the border between New Castle and
Kent counties in Delaware, when the 911 emergency number was being set
up, because about 15% of the people on Smyrna exchange (302-653) are
in New Castle county (the rest are in Kent). News item mentioned such
crossing of county lines happening many times in Pennsylvania (comment
prompted by Smyrna case above). (The Susquehanna River does serve as
county line AND phone-prefix boundary between Harford & Cecil
counties, Maryland.)
Speaking of boundaries, how are things handled at the time-zone
boundaries? (I recall seeing something about time zones in notes
concerning V&H tape.)
------------------------------
Date: 29 Jul 82 8:33:58-EDT (Thu)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
To: ihnss!houxn!govern at Ucb-C70
Subject: run out of areacodes?
Could you show some samples of area codes that would be used when the
present ones run out?
[I believe he said they would look like prefixes, e.g. 234, 777, etc.
--JSol]
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Date: 30 Jul 82 7:46:07-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: 10+ ?
Dialing 10 from my phone (302-731, not an ESS exchange) takes me to
local operator, without timeout. (302-731 does have 0+ dialing, so
that dialing just 0 must wait for timeout.) "10+" was mentioned in
digest V2 #95.
Earlier, someone mentioned 950 prefix, unassigned in all area codes,
in connection with MCI, etc.
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 4-Aug-82 18:45:51
Date: 4 Aug 1982 1845-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #97
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 5 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 97
Today's Topics:
Reduced-Rate Intrastate Long Distance Services
Comment On Minor NPA Note - Any More?
Technical Assistance Query - Vadic 3451 & Bell 212A Modems
N0X, N1X
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Date: 3 Aug 1982 11:38 EDT
From: Axelrod.WBST at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #96 - Reduced-rate long distance services
To: WMARTIN at OFFICE-8
Have you checked with your local telco? Rochester (NY) Telephone
Company offers a service called "Dial-A-Visit", which, for a moderate
monthly charge (~$5.00?), gives 50% discount on all calls to anywhere
within New York State. Not restricted to RTC calling area. Could be
that other operating companies have similiar services.
As to Sprint and MCI, you need to check whether the areas of interest
are covered. True that they concentrate on large metro areas, but
maybe, maybe not. You can call and find out.
Art Axelrod
------------------------------
Date: 3 Aug 1982 1710-EDT
From: S. W. Galley <SWG at MIT-XX>
Subject: minor NPA note
cc: dee at CCA-UNIX
Are or were there any other regularities in NPA assignment,
besides the distinction between N0X and N1X? It's always
looked to me as if the numbers were chosen completely at random.
------------------------------
Date: 4 August 1982 03:28 edt
From: Schauble.Multics at MIT-MULTICS
Subject: Request for info
I need assistance with two problems:
First, I have a Vadic 3451 moden with the Vadic accessory telephone.
Does anyone know what I have to do to this combination to prevent it
from answering? Is there a technical manual available for the
telephone?
Second, the Bell system 212A data set uses a 25pin connector to
connect the controlling telephone to the data set. I need the pin
config for this connector.
Any asistance is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Paul
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Date: 3 Aug 1982 14:55:40-EDT
From: dee at Cca-Unix (Donald Eastlake)
To: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Re: N0X, N1X
Quite an old idea. Perhaps of the same or earlier vinatage as the
idea of having a national switching center in Kansas with finals to it
from all the regional centers.
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Date: 3 Aug 82 11:48:01-EDT (Tue)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: dee at Cca-Unix
Subject: N0X, N1X
N0X area code in states (provinces) with only one area and
N1X " " " " " " more than one area?
How old an idea was that? Going into 1965, I think we already had 607
in New York state; 305 in Florida; 209,408,707,805 in California;
308,402 in Nebraska; 507 in Minnesota; 608 in Wisconsin; 504 in
Louisiana; 404 in Georgia; 704 in North Carolina; 201,609 in New
Jersey; 806 in Texas; 405 in Oklahoma; 309 in Illi- nois; 502,606 in
Kentucky; 906 in Michigan; 206,509 in Washington state; 705,807 in
Ontario; 901 in Tennessee. (New areas added since start of 1965: 904
in Florida in 1965, and 804 in Virginia in 1973.)
However, I notice that all N1X area codes are in states and provinces
with more than 1 area code.
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 5-Aug-82 19:49:37
Date: 5 Aug 1982 1949-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #98
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 6 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 98
Today's Topics:
Query - How To Keep Modems From Frying
Telco Line Polarity Standards
Quick Methods To Avoid Timeouts When Dialing OPERATOR
Telephone Events In History
Area Code Trivia - The Pulse Factor
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Date: 4 Aug 1982 2209-EDT
From: Charles B. Weinstock <Weinstock at CMU-20C>
Subject: Fried Modem
A few weeks ago we had a severe thunderstorm in Pittsburgh. The
building I live in was hit by lightning. My Vadic 3451 was unplugged
at the time, though it was connected to the phone line, and the
terminal was connected to the modem. The next time I went to use my
terminal I discovered that the modem didn't work. It smelled like
components were frying. So, I replaced the modem and discovered that
the line input driver in my terminal was also fried.
Since the phone wasn't damaged (apparently) Bell claims that their
protection circuits worked just fine. This raises two issues:
1. Is it possible that Bell is wrong, and there is something wrong
with their equipment.
2. Failing that, is there anything I can get to isolate the phone
line and the modem?
Chuck
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Date: 4 Aug 1982 19:57:41-PDT
From: eagle!karn at Berkeley
Subject: telco line polarity standards
I'm confused. I have acquired an AC powered 212 modem that is,
believe it or not, sensitive to the polarity of the phone line (the
DEC DF03). I discovered this after wasting an hour getting it working
on my home phone lines - the modem's tip and ring had to be reversed
in order for it to sense carrier. My Bell touch tone phone (the
polarity sensitive kind) works just fine on both lines.
I would like to make sure that my two phone lines are wired with the
"proper" polarity. My first line is + on green, - on red. The second
line is + on black, - on yellow.
It looks like somebody blew it on the modular plug standard as far as
polarity preservation goes. If you look at a standard phone cord with
a modular plug on each end, the flat sides of the connectors are on
the same side of the cord. This means that the order of pins in the
modular jack on the wall is reversed with respect to those in the
telephone set. This means you can't take two phone cords and make one
long extension cord by plugging them together in the middle with a
Y-plug; a touch tone dial won't work.
Does anybody know why this was done, except to keep amateur touch tone
phone installers totally confused? Something has to be switched to
make this modem work, and I'll rewire all the jacks and phones in my
house if I have to in order to get it right.
Phil
------------------------------
Date: 5 Aug 1982 0521-EDT
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: Getting the Operator Quick
It is probably fairly well-known that on most crossbar systems [at
least the old #5 I had] dialing 00 would land you in the TSPS swamp
with no timeout. If you try this in an ESS office, it thinks the
second 0 is part of a number, and waits for further input. If you
dial 10 at an ESS, you get TSPS with no timeout. Okay, what kind of
sequence could begin with 0 that would require operator assistance????
_H*
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Date: 5 Aug 1982 0839-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Numbering Plan
A couple of excerpts:
When the distance dialing plan was first envisioned
in the 1940s, a numbering plan was designed whereby
any telephone within the area encompassed by the
"North American Numbering Plan" would be identified
by a unique 10-digit address...
--Notes on Distance Dialing, AT&T, 1975
August 21-22 -- First No. 4 toll crossbar switching
system in the world cut into service at Philadelphia,
Pa. The first concrete move toward toll dialing.
--Events in Telephone History, AT&T, 1974
The choice of Area Codes took two factors in operator work time into
account. The use of the zero in the middle immediately told operators
that the entire state had one area code. This, as we know, is now no
longer true. Neither is the second factor, since equipment changes
have made it unnecessary. A study was done of calling patterns, that
is, "most-dialed-destinations." From this study, the
"dial-pull-factor" was minimized, subject to the constraint of the
zero/one in the middle. Thus NYC, the most commonly dialed
destination, got 212, which is the fastest code for an operator to
dial with a rotary dial.
------------------------------
Date: 4 Aug 1982 2218-PDT
From: Richard Furuta <Furuta at WASHINGTON>
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #97
I recall hearing, at some distant time in the past, that the original
area codes were assigned based on the amount of traffic generated by
the area (New York came in first at 212, Los Angeles next at 213,
etc.). Subsequent assignments of area codes, however, didn't preserve
this ordering. I'm not at all sure how accurate this information is.
--Rick
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Date: 5 Aug 1982 14:26:42-EDT
From: dee at CCA-UNIX (Donald Eastlake)
To: swg at mit-xx
Subject: NPA pattersn
The other obviousl pattern is that NPAs which require fewer dial
pulses and are thus quicker for a rotary dial are assigned to the big
urban areas: 212 NYC, 213 LA, 312 Chicago, etc. (Washington DC is 202
but then I guess DC counts as a "state" with one area code.)
[Trivia point: As has been previously pointed out in this digest,
Washington DC is a special case, since most of the prefixes (if not
all of them) in area code 202 are mapped to prefixes in other Area
codes. --JSol]
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Date: 5 Aug 82 09:04:39 EDT (Thu)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: NPA note
To: swg at Mit-Xx
I've been told that the original numbers were designed to minimize
pulse counts for the areas with the most phones. Thus, New York City
has 212 - the minimum possible count of 5. Chicago is 312, L.A. is
213, Detroit is 313, etc.
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 6-Aug-82 15:43:52
Date: 6 Aug 1982 1543-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #99
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TELECOM AM Digest Saturday, 7 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 99
Today's Topics:
Lauren Gets Top Billing
Poached Modems And Modular Plug Polarity
The Mapping Of Area Code 202
Query: Origin Of The Term "Repeater" - Myth or Fact?
800 NPA & Some Very Random Boston Area Prefixes
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Date: 6 August 1982 0056-PDT (Friday)
From: lauren at UCLA-Security (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: poached modems and modular plug polarity
To: TELECOM at ECLB
Greetings. Regarding the fried Vadic modem... Telco line protectors
(which are actually just fuses, of course) are designed to prevent
"excessive" voltages from reaching the subscriber side of the line
drop. Their only real purpose is to prevent loss of life, and *not*
necessarily to protect delicate equipment. In most cases, voltages
which are more than sufficient to fry semiconductor circuitry would
*not* be considered to be "excessive" from a protector standpoint.
Also, the average telephone set is rather robust by most standards and
can survive considerably greater surges than more delicate equipment.
Of course, the newer "electronic" phones often are very vulnerable to
surge damage.
One other point: it is entirely possible that the damage was caused by
induced currents in the wiring of your building from the lightning
strike. In such a case, the protectors wouldn't even be involved,
since they only have an effect on surges coming down or going up the
drop itself. In any case telco is not legally responsible for any
damage to subscriber- owned equipment in such a situation, since
negligence is not an issue.
There are some firms who manufacture "transient protectors" that might
be able to help in such situations. They tend to be regularly
advertised in many computer periodicals. Versions exist to provide
A.C., RS-232, and phone line protection. Such devices usually rely on
varistors, gas-discharge tubes, and thermal circuit breakers for
"three-mode" protection against most types of surges.
---
Regarding the "modular plug blues"... Under normal conditions, the
TIP side of the phone line is GREEN and is POSITIVE with respect to
the RING (RED) side of the line. When a modular plug carries two
lines, the *convention* is for the second line to have TIP on the
YELLOW wire, and RING on the BLACK.
Indeed, the pin orientation of modular plugs do reverse at many
connect points, which certainly makes it rather difficult to deal with
polarity sensitive equipment in any uniform sort of fashion. The
usual solution to polarity problems is simply the judicious reversing
of TIP/RING where necessary on equipment or modular cords themselves.
There isn't much else that can really be done, except for the
installation of bridge rectifiers in the actual equipment (which would
probably have had bridges already if it had been properly designed!)
--Lauren--
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Date: 6 Aug 1982 0814-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: 202 mapping
Let's get this right, once and for all.
Area Code 202 is Washington, D.C., 703 is Northern/Eastern Virginia,
and 301 is Maryland.
Those codes WITHIN the District (plus the OXford CENTREX, which is
officially located within the District, even though most of the phones
in it are in Virginia at the Pentagon, Fort Myer, the Navy Annex, and
Cameron Station) are in area code 202 ONLY.
Those codes in 703 and 301 which are in the "Washington Metro Dialing
Area," i.e. which are local to D.C. AND each other, can also be
reached from anywhere on the network with 202 as well as their correct
area code. The rate and route data base has all the correct info for
each NXX, so the call is billed the same regardless of which area code
is dialled.
Codes in 703 or 301 which are only local to the District and not to
the ENTIRE Metro area can be dialed only with the correct area code.
There is one anomaly. If you are in Maryland or Virginia and are
using an INTERstate outwats, you may be able to reach those INTRAstate
points in the D.C. suburbs on YOUR own side of the Potomac by dialing
202. This will work only if the exchange providing WATS service does
not 6-digit translate the 202 area. Exchanges will normally only
6-digit translate an NPA when the exchange itself has two different
routes it would use to that area. Normally six-digit translation of
distant NPAs is only done at the toll switch, which can't tell an
outwats call from any other.
Knowingly making an INTRAstate call on an INTERstate outwats is
probably toll fraud.
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Date: 6 Aug 1982 17:52 EDT
From: Axelrod.WBST at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Query: Origin of the Term "Repeater" - Myth or Fact?
I just heard an interesting explanation of how the term "Repeater"
came to be used for a telephone line amplifier. I'll pass it along
for the amusement of all, and I'm wondering if any of the telephony
historians out there can confirm or refute it.
In the early days of telephony, there was not enough signal strength
out of a handset to make long distance calls. If a subscriber needed
to have a conversation with someone distant, the operators would patch
connections through as many CO's as was necessary. An operator stayed
with the call at each CO. Then, since the original signal couldn't
complete the entire circuit, the operators themselves would relay the
conversation by repeating each statement and response, back and forth,
throughout the duration of the call.
Well, after a while, some bright chap invented an electronic amplifier
(vacuum tube, I assume) that would allow the signal to make long
circuits without excessive attenuation. The human "repeaters" were
replaced by Electronic Repeaters.
It's a cute story. Does anyone know if it's true?
Art Axelrod
------------------------------
Date: 5 Aug 82 11:23:00-EDT (Thu)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: "800" prefix
I have read in this digest about upcoming changes (?) to the way "800"
prefixes are assigned, and (also figured from other sources) about
prefixes of the form NN2 only being used for INTRAstate "800". I
have now come across an ad (phone number verified by calling 800-555-
1212 and asking for the number to use from area 302) which has 800-782
prefix for calls from outside Nevada.
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Date: 6 Aug 82 10:23:43-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Boston area prefixes
On page 8 of call guide in 1982 Boston white pages, there is a list,
by exchange, of business office phone numbers. The exchanges include
several of the "area code" (N0X and N1X) type, and I am confused.
This is in 617 area.
[Hmm, I saw those in the 1982 Boston area white pages too. The
number's don't work yet, as well as I can tell. The exchanges are:
801, 802, 803, 804, 806, 807, 810, 811 (!), and 814. I too am confused
(which isn't surprising). --JSol]
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Date: 9 Aug 1982 1848-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #100
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TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 10 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 100
Today's Topics:
GTE Moves Into Cellular Radio; GTE And The Consent Decree
Repeaters - Operators Repeating?
800 Prefix's - Line Versus Number
80X Prefixes In Boston
More Funny Prefixes - Coinless Public Phones
Assingment Of Area Codes - Huffman Coding
Query - Would British Line Protectors Work Here?
Lightening Strikes - Non-Bell Equipment Fries
French Directories - CRT Vs. Paper
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Date: 9 Aug 1982 15:46:17-EST
From: Chris Kent <cak at Purdue>
Reply-to: cak at Purdue
Subject: GTE moves into Cellular radio; GTE and the consent decree
My phone bill arrived today -- with it always comes a little four page
newsletter from GTE called "Lines". On the back page was an article
that I thought would be of interest to Telecom readers.
Cellular mobile radio -- an innovative technology
("Lines", August 1982, V 15 n 8 -- used without permission)
GTE recently announced plans to offer a futuristic wire-free
communications service that will provide improved mobile telephones
for automobiles as well as portable wireless phones. The new servive
will be available for use in the home, office and on the stree in a
number of metropolitan areas across the United States [somehow I feel
that Lafayette, IN won't qualify -- cak].
The innovative technology, know as "cellular" mobile radio telephone
service, was approved for public use by the Federal Communications
Commision (FCC) in February.
GTE filed applications in June for FCC Cellular Licenses in the
following areas: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit,
Houston, Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Portland OR, Tampa, San Diego, San
Francisco, San Jose CA, and Seattle.
How GTE's Cellular Service Will Work
An area to be served by the new system will be divided into many small
geographical "cells", each with a radius of about eight miles. Within
each cell will be low-power radio transmitter-receiver units that
willcarry the calls over and antenna system for as many as 72
channels. A sophisticated compute-controlled call-switching system
will be centrally located in the area to control the
transmitter-receiver in each cell and perform the switching task.
As a customer drives from one cell to another, the central system will
monitor the individual's movement and transfer the call to the
transmitter-receiver in the cell being entered without interrupting
the conversation. Since the calls will be carried on low-power radio
signals, the same channels can be use simultaneously by different
customers in nearby cells with virtually no chance of interference.
Future growth needs will be met by sub-dividing the cells until
thousands of channels can be provided within the serving area.
Existing mobile telephone service, in use for a number of years,
offers similar convenience but also suffers from some disadvantages.
It employs a single powerful radio transmitter which serves a large
area and offers only a limited number of channels, making it difficult
-- and frequently impossible -- for customers to place a call.
--30--
The same issue of lines contains a box about the modified consent
decree entitled "Telecommunications in the '80s -- a look at the
issues". I won't repeat it here, because it's mainly old hat, but the
last paragraph is as follows:
"GTE contends the bill ["the non-partisan Wirth-Broyhill version of
the Telecommunications Act of 1982 (HR 5158)"] provides for a
pro-competitive industry, considers the interests of ratepayers, and
has safeguards built in which will assure the continued health and
financial viability of telephone companies in the United States.
Consequently, we encouraged our employees, shareholders, and customers
to seek Congressional support of the bill."
Share and enjoy,
chris
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Date: 6 Aug 1982 1942-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Repeaters
Sorry, the story about the term repeater coming from operators
repeating what is said sounds like bunk.
My dictionary lists one definition of repeater as "an arrangement for
receiving signals from one telegraph line and retransmitting
corresponding signals into another line." Seems like repeaters were
around before telephones. The Encyclopaedia Britannica says that
telephone receivers in use in 1904 operated on a mechanical principle
but vacuum tube repeaters were used on the New York to San Francisco
line in 1915.
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Date: 6 Aug 1982 1948-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: 800 prefixes
With the new 800 service the phone company has geen offering for about
three months now, the 800 NUMBER no longer has to be directly asso-
ciated with the 800 LINE. It is now possible to have one 800 NUMBER
for the whole country, although it is still required to have the LINES
arranged as in the past. Previously the NXXs had something to do with
the location, now they no longer do. In fact, calling the same 800
number in different parts of the country or at different times of day
may cause you to reach totally different 800 lines.
The charges for 800 lines have not changed; you pay extra for the
enhanced 800 routing service.
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Date: 6 Aug 1982 1949-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Funny prefixes in Boston
Those 80X prefixes are for special accounts like 800 numbers, outward
wats, and miscellaneous (i.e. no telephone associated) accounts.
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Date: 6 Aug 1982 1723-PDT
From: ROODE at SRI-NIC (David Roode)
Subject: more funny exchanges
Location: EJ296 Phone: (415) 859-2774
I have noticed that some of these new credit card call phone which
cannot RECEIVE any calls at all, have a funny exchange when you decode
it from the number which appears on the phone. Perhaps it is this
sort of phone which the Boston phone book refers to in listing
business offices.
Since everyone is discussing area codes, what about the fact that TWX
area codes appear to have addressing compatible with the rest of the
North American numbering plan? The TWX area codes all end in 10,
which are legitimate area codes by the other constraints one can
detect, but which have not been assigned as regular phone area codes.
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Date: 7 August 1982 15:49-EDT
From: "Marvin A. Sirbu, Jr." <SIRBU at MIT-MC>
Subject: Assingment of area codes
Area codes are assigned by a kind of Huffman coding for rotary
telephones. On a rotary telephone, low numbers take less time to dial
than higher numbers. For example, the shortest area code to dial is
212 -- which is assigned to the most frequently called area (New
York). 213 and 312 were assigned to the next most frequently called
areas (LA and Chicago, respectively). Area code 809 is Puerto Rico
and the Virgin Islands; 907 is Alaska.
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From: REX::MINOW 30-JUL-1982 19:59
Reply-to: "REX::MINOW C/O" <Schriesheim.Mitton at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subj: Bryant Pond update.
My collegue, Ed Bruckert, has a hunting camp a few miles outside of
Bryant Pond, Maine, which, as readers of telecom should know, has the
last remaining hand-crank ring down phone system in the United States.
The system was recently sold and the new owners are planning to
replace it with a "modern" dial system. The residents are petitioning
the Maine Public Utilities to preserve their system.
To raise money for legal costs they are selling T shirts. The shirts
have a hand crank phone on them with the words Don't Yank The Crank.
If you wish one of these T shirts you can order by sending a check for
ten dollars made out to the Don't Yank the Crank Committee, P.O. Box
67, Bryant Pond, Maine, 04219. The shirts are available in small,
medium, large and ex-large. Anyone who can pick up the shirts from Ed
Bruckert at Dec Maynard can save three dollars as he will pick them up
when in Maine. You can contact him at PRINCE::BRUCKERT.
[I'll forward some ARPAnet messages to him --DJM, (DEC redistribution)
via <Schriesheim.Mitton at DEC-Marlboro>]
Ed passed on a few intersting tidbits: If the system is replaced,
someone could probably pick up the old central office machinery at
little or no cost. Unfortunately, this does not include the
telephones themselves. There is an interesting problem with the
phones: the original company claims that (1) they owned the equipment
and didn't sell the telephones when they sold the company. (2) the
new company claims they own everything and (3) the townspeople have no
intention of turning in the old phones. On the antique market, the
phones are worth about $500,000.
In grammar school, my textbooks claimed that there are so many phone
calls today that, if it wern't for the dial telephone, everbody in the
United states would be a telephone operator. If Bryant Pond goes,
that prediction will finally come true.
Of course, in ten years or so, speech recognition will be good enough
that we can start yanking the dial. I can see it now: "last central
office without touch-tone" "last office with keyboard" "last office
without smell-o-phone"
Martin Minow
decvax!minow @ Berkeley
REX::MINOW
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Date: 9 Aug 1982 10:15 PDT
From: Hirst.ES at PARC-MAXC
Subject: poached modems
Hello,
Would line protectors of the type the British Post Office (now called
British Telecom) use be of any use. These are called barrier boxes
which contain in-line fuses with zener diodes connected across each
line & placed between equipment and modem (RS232). However, I'm not so
sure that this type of device could be used on the "telephone company
side" of the line.
Talking of isolation, I hear that the German PTT authorities require
2500v rms isolation between mains input and low voltage secondary
circuits, (as opposed to British Telecom who specify 2200v peak) for
mains powered data terminal equipment connected to the phone system.
Are there any special requirements in the USA?
Ken
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Date: 9 Aug 1982 15:28:20-EST
From: Chris Kent <cak at Purdue>
Reply-to: cak at Purdue
Subject: Fried modems
Our house was also recently struck by lightning -- that is, the
utility pole that feeds our phone line was. I didn't have a modem
plugged in anywhere, but our answering machine came on and refused to
go off. It turned out to be damaged enough that we had to replace it.
At the same time, the phone appeared to be dead -- but five minutes
later, the fire department trucks pulled up outside our house. Turns
out the lightning had fried our alarm system (I could smell it once I
got the cover off) and tripped the automatic dialer. The alarm board
was also replaced, mainly because the service types only do board swap
and send defectives back for rework.
The phone company said their protection circuitry worked just fine,
and that's what we get for hooking up non-Bell equipment (not in so
many words). Indeed, our phones worked fine, and the Bell
line-seizure equipment in the dialer worked fine. Nothing else did.
chris
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From: "Paul Dickson at Pixel c/o" <Schriesheim.Mitton at DEC-Marlboro>
Subject: French directories
Posted-date: 28-Jul-1982
It is an experiment. They claim the savings on not using paper will
pay for the terminals. With high volume manufacturing (several
million) they expect the cost to be only a few hundred francs. The
terminal is essentially a Videotex terminal, running split 1200/150
baud. The ones I have seen are usually 9-inch screens, with a cheap
calculator-style keyboard (like a TRS-80 color computer).
The computers are Honeywell series-6 minis. Honeywell-CII-Bull is a
French company.
The service has only been installed in a few towns so far. The French
Telephone User's Group (now there is an interesting idea!) is opposed
to the whole scheme. The French PTT wants to do it anyway. Notice
that to get the number, you have to make a phone call. You pay for
that.
Then you have to select the city, then type in the FULL NAME,
CORRECTLY. The software is not too hot.
The savings is in paper, not operators. Since when do operators give
out phone numbers? Not much use for operators in Europe anyway, as
they just dont have things like collect calls, conference calls, etc.
They are adding those services as they convert to electronic
exchanges.
PTT's are notoriously optimistic about technical things. The French
and the British claim to have the most advanced phone technology in
the world, and maybe they do, IN ONE CENTRAL OFFICE. Most of those
countries use old step-by-step, and you are lucky to get a dial tone
sometimes. We with our old-fashioned crossbar and ESS have been
enjoying such service luxuries for a LONG time. Yes the Britsh have
System-X, an all digital exchange, but IT ISN'T INSTALLED YET.
Conversion from Step will be a very long process.
A lot of national pride is tied up in these undertakings, so take the
claims of PTT's with a grain of salt.
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 10-Aug-82 17:11:20
Date: 10 Aug 1982 1711-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #101
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Wednesday, 11 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 101
Today's Topics: Modem Chips Information Query
Area Codes
Automated Directory Assistance
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Date: 10 Aug 1982 03:37:23-PDT
From: pur-ee!malcolm at Berkeley
Subject: Modem Chips
Does anybody have anybody have information about Modem Chips? I have
a spec sheet for a Bell 103 chip from TI, and have seen the Intel 2910
signal processing chip used as a 300 baud modem, but I haven't seen
anything about 1200 baud chips .
I heard that AMD was going to announce a 1200 baud chip but I couldn't
get any information from anybody I could find at AMD. I also have
been told that Racal-Vadic uses an IC to do their 1200 baud modems but
I haven't seen anything definite.
Malcolm Slaney
Purdue EE Dept.
------------------------------
Date: 10 August 1982 10:47-EDT
From: Jeffrey R. Del Papa <DP at MIT-ML>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #100
If area code are selected for low dialing length, how come the
eastern half of mass has area code 617, and the western half (which is
mostly rural) has code 413?
Jeff
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Date: 10-Aug-82 10:21-PDT
From: JWAGNER at OFFICE
Subject: automated directory assitance
Identifier: TYM-JPW4-12SCU
Length: 1 page(s)[estimate]
Posted: 10-Aug-82 10:18-PDT
Indiana Bell has taken a first step toward automating directory
assistance information calls.
An operator who works for the company said the move to automated
directory assistance is aimed at saving operators' time and phone
company money. So far, it has been successful. She said that during
a one-month test of the system, automated directory assistance will be
available only at night.
When you call Indiana Bell and ask for directory assistance, a "live"
operator first answers and asks for the city you want to call, and
then for an individual's name. Then a recorded voice -- the same nice
lady who reads the time -- reads the number in a halting, pre-recorded
manner. She then repeats the number and says to stay on the line if
you want to talk to the live operator again.
I'm not sure how widely available the service is, or at what times --
try calling directory assistance for Indianapolis (or vicinity)
sometime at night. -- Jim Wagner/jwagner@office
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 11-Aug-82 22:26:02
Date: 11 Aug 1982 2226-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #102
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
Reply-To: TELECOM at USC-ECLB
TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 12 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 102
Today's Topics:
ESS Service Outages - No Calls Affected - Sometimes
DF03 Is Not Polarity Sensitive? - Wrong!
Calling Cards - Paying For A Service You No Longer Use
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Date: 11 Aug 1982 1022-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
cc: smb.unc at UDEL-RELAY
Subject: No. 1 ESS service outage
A little while ago Steve Bellovin reported that there had been a 75
minute service outage in the exchange in Chapel Hill, but the data
call he had in progress during that time was not interrupted.
The explanation for this is that No. 1 ESS has a "phased" recovery
process which it uses to recover from malfunctions. What general
purpose computer operating systems usually refer to as "warm," "cool,"
and "cold" starts are called "Phases" in a No. 1 ESS. The lower the
number, the less drastic the recovery process.
For example, in the lowest numbered phases, a call being dialled might
go to reorder, but no other effect would be noticed. In higher
numbered phases, no dial-tone would be returned, but all existing
calls would be unaffected. In the highest numbered phases, all calls
are dropped. No 1 ESS loses call forwarding during higher numbered
phases, No 1A (which has rotating memory) usually doesn't.
------------------------------
Date: 11 Aug 1982 1031-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: DF03 is not polarity sensitive
After looking at the DF03 prints and talking with the design engineer
(and noting that the device was designed so that it would not be
polarity sensitive), I tried my DF03 with polarity set both ways and
found no problem.
Something else must have been going on.
------------------------------
Date: 11-Aug-82 9:34:40 PDT (Wednesday)
From: Suk at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Paying for "Operator Assistance"?
cc: Suk.PA
We recently (tried to) make some "Calling Card" calls from a pay phone
in Durango, Colorado. The "operator" was obviously a computer, which
used only a limited vocabulary on us. After keying in 25 digits (0 +
(area code) + (phone number) + (14-digit calling card number)), the
"operator" answered "THANK you". After trying two different numbers
two times each, and receiving busy signals each time (100 key
depressions), I could anticipate the exact moment the "operator" would
cut in, and could mimic "her" voice exactly. Had we been successful
in completing any of these calls, would we have been charged for an
"operator assisted" call? (Thank heaven for pushbutton phones! We
could still be there dialing.)
Stan Suk
[Sigh, yes, you get less service but still pay the same amount.
--JSol]
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 12-Aug-82 16:57:30
Date: 12 Aug 1982 1657-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #103
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 13 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 103
Today's Topics:
Direct Dial Credit Card Calls - Usage And Charging
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Date: 12 Aug 1982 1252-PDT
Sender: GEOFF at SRI-CSL
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #102
From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
Reply-To: Geoff at SRI-CSL
I'm glad to see (in reference to Stan Suk's message on the computer
generated "THANK you" voice recording when Credit Card calls are
made), that I'm not the only one who has the exact moment down when
the operator would cut in and mimics her voice aloud!
------------------------------
Date: 12 Aug 1982 1619-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: suk at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Credit card calls
As has been discussed in this digest before, there is a new rate in
effect for all interstate credit card calls and for intrastate credit
card calls which is somewhat lower than the operator assisted rate
(the rate you would pay for collect or bill-to-third-number). You pay
the same rate whether you enter the card or the operator does because
you don't have control over whether the system is available where you
are (just like you get the direct dial rate from/to Bryant Pond, even
though an operator has to make the call).
AT&T wanted to make the credit card surcharge 50 cents. After the FCC
received objections from MCI and other competitors that the 50 cent
rate was too low, the FCC ordered AT&T to charge $1.05 (it's a bit
less for real short interstate calls). The FCC felt that the system
was not in widespread enough use to justify the lower rate, but they
have told me that they will monitor implementation and order a
reduction when appropriate.
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Date: 12 August 1982 1543-PDT (Thursday)
From: lauren at UCLA-Security (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: Calling Card Charges
Actually, the long range plan is for customer-dialed calling card
calls to eventually be charged at a lower rate than operator-assisted
calls. My understanding is that these tariff revisions will not take
place until the automated system is more generally available to a
greater percentage of the calling public.
--Lauren--
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Date: 12 Aug 1982 1442-PDT
From: Lynn Gold <G.FIGMO at SU-SCORE>
Subject: Calling cards and direct dialing
Sender: ADMIN.MRC at SU-SCORE
Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041
Phone: (415) 968-1052
Is it now possible to use direct dialing with a calling card
from anywhere in the US? I have two cards, and if this were
so, I'd find it (of course) very helpful to be able to avoid
a few mindless operators who mess up my number.
--Lynn
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 16-Aug-82 20:59:25
Date: 16 Aug 1982 2059-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #104
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 17 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 104
Today's Topics: ACTS - "Operators" In Credit Card Calls
Calling Cards And Direct Dialing
Directories And Phone System Comparison - French Vs. USA
The Message Unit Blues, And Notes On Operator Assistance
Any Touch Tone (tm) Or Equivalent Cordless Phones Out There?
Telephone Trivia - "Repeaters"
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Date: 12 Aug 1982 17:50:17-PDT
From: D.jlapsley at Berkeley
To: c70:telecom@USC-ECLB
Subject: "Operators" in Credit Card Calls
I know in our area, central east-bay, we have a service known as
ACTS (Automated Coin Toll Service). This service has a computer
voice for collecting coins. I don't know about credit card calls, but
I know that with coin calls, flashing the switchook will alert the
operator. Or so Bell says, as I have never tried this. In any case,
you might try to make your call and then flash the switchook and demand
good old fashioned human assistance.
Phil
[The TELECOM archives have a document describing ACTS and ABC, which
was submitted by Ian <Merritt at USC-ISIB>, and is available from
USC-ECLB in BUG:<JSOL.TELECOM>ACTS.TXT for public FTP using the login
name ANONYMOUS and password GUEST. If you cannot retrieve this file
then send mail to TELECOM-REQUEST and we will mail it back to you in
return mail. --JSol]
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Date: 13 Aug 82 8:45:59-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
To: Lynn Gold <G.FIGMO@Su-Score>
Subject: Re: Calling cards and direct dialing
From what I have read in other sources, I don't think credit-card
direct- dial is available EVERYWHERE in U.S. (I made a couple of
credit-card calls just yesterday from a phone which had no 0+
dialing.) I THINK (am not sure) that the new
lower-than-operator-assisted rate is being made avail- able to all
areas, including those not yet equipped for such direct-dial.
(Similar to my getting direct-dial international rates although my
phone cannot handle IDDD, and to everyone's getting direct-dial rates
to Bryant Pond, Maine.)
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Date: 12 August 1982 21:33 edt
From: "Ruptash@PCO-Multics" at MIT-MULTICS
Subject: Re: French Directories
Sender: Ruptash.TSDC at PCO-MULTICS
I'm sorry I missed the initiation of this discussion, but from what I
can piece together, the French PTT has constructed a network of
Honeywell Mini-6's (DPS/6s) to distribute directory information.
Is this network (if it really is one) using the new Honeywell DSA
software? That's our OSI-compatible distributed system architecture.
It's a joint Cii-HB/Honeywell effort.
Or is it a "distributed database" - hand-carried disk packs with new
directory listings every blue moon...
Or maybe downline loaded directory files?
-- Brian
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Date: 13-Aug-82 16:20:46-EDT (Fri)
From: cbosgd!ima!johnl at Berkeley
Original-From: John R. Levine, The INTERACTIVE Electric Calculator Co.,
Cambridge MA.
Subject: The Message Unit Blues, and notes on Operator Assistance
First, I have a problem that I hope some bright person here can
solve. In my office in Cambridge MA, I have a phone line computer
uses for dialing out. I call Telenet (a crock where my computer calls
the local PAD and logs into a remote Telenet host), and I call MCI to
make long distance calls for uucp. The problem is that TPC claims
that the only service I can get is message service and the message
units are killing me. Both Telenet and MCI are a local call, but
that's one message unit (11 cents) every 5 minutes and it adds up, in
the vicinity of $75/mo just for message units. When I was working out
of my house, the phone was at the residence rate where local calls are
free, but at the office no such luck. Dedicated lines to Telenet or
MCI seem to be too expensive. Any other ideas?
Also, somebody claimed that operator assisted calls are not
widely available in Europe. They are, for international calls at
least, but not in a very useful way. For example, to make a collect,
person, or credit card call from France, you dial 19 to get an
international dial tone, 33 for operator help, and then the country
code of the country you want to call. An operator answers, you tell
him the number and the other details. He says "OK, 115 minutes delay"
and hangs up. Then you wait. With luck, two hours later they'll call
you back with your party on the line, but it might be one hour or
three. If you get fed up in the interim, you can usually call again
and tell them to forget it, but not always. You can't use from a pay
phone because they can't call you back, so you have to go to the post
office during the day when there's an attendant. Direct dialed pay
calls to the U.S. require that you stuff a 1 franc coin into the phone
every 1.8 seconds (no kidding!) With service like that, no wonder
they expect you to type the name exactly right for automated directory
assist.
Meanwhile in the USA, now that they expect you to dial 25 digits
for a self-service Calling Card call they've made the surcharge for it
only 50 cents, e.g. 2 cents/digit. A bargain. Bah.
John Levine, (ARPA) Levine@YALE, (uucp) decvax!cca!ima!johnl
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Date: 14 Aug 1982 12:38:14-EDT
From: cfh at CCA-UNIX (Christopher Herot)
Subject: cordless phones
Does there exist a cordless phone which transmits real DTMF? All the
ones I've seen are of the "universal" variety which translate button
pushes into pulses. Several salespeople insisted that they don't come
any other way, but I'm not about to give up so quickly.
Also, do they all use the same FM band? Do any of them have any way
of discriminating between you and your neighbor? (even garage door
openers do that!)
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Date: 15 Aug 1982 09:06:21-EDT
From: dee at CCA-UNIX (Donald Eastlake)
Subject: "repeaters"
I suspect that the first use of the term "repeaters" was in the
telegraph age when there were relay kludges to repeat the DC telegraph
pulses when the lines would otherwise get to be too long.
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 17-Aug-82 19:03:42
Date: 17 Aug 1982 1903-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #105
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
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TELECOM AM Digest Wednesday, 18 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 105
Today's Topics: DTMF Cordless Phones
Pay Phones In France
French Directory Experiment
State Of The Art - ACTS vs. Pay Phones With No Dial
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Date: 17 August 1982 04:15-EDT
From: Eliot R. Moore <ELMO at MIT-MC>
Subject: cordless phones
To: cfh at CCA-UNIX
Our 1978 Royce Freedom Phone, before the nicads died, appeared to
transmit real DTMF. Hard to tell though because we're located in GTE
step with touch-tone conversion hardware on the line.
/Elmo
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Date: 17 Aug 1982 0759-PDT
From: STERNLIGHT <STERNLIGHT at USC-ECL>
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #104
cc: STERNLIGHT at USC-ECL
"Stuffing a 1 franc coin in a French pay phone every 1.8 seconds" is
not the best way to call the U.S. The phones take larger coins, and
use them up first, so if you are smart you will put a lot of coins in
in advance, and the pay phones will very nicely make change. One of
the handiest automatic pay phones for calling the U.S. is on the Rue
de la Paix across the street from the Cafe de la Paix and about a
block or two toward the Madeleine. I use it often.
--david--
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Date: 17 Aug 1982 13:17:59-EDT
From: cfh at CCA-UNIX (Christopher Herot)
Subject: French Directory Experiment
I saw the French telephone directory system last September when I
visited CNET, the French counterpart of Bell Labs.
At that time, they were entering the second stage of an experiment in
providing automated directory assistance. In the first stage, they
tested the prototype system on 70 subjects they hired (for $25) for
half a day through a local employment agency. They claimed that 90%
of the people were successful at using the system after reading two
pages of instruction and being given 15 minutes of "free play".
One problem they identified was with looking up a number where there
was not an exact match on the name or the town. It sounds like that
has not yet been corrected.
The second stage of the experiment was supposed to start in May of
this year and would involve equipping 250,000 subscribers in one
"department" with a cheap terminal which they would use for directory
assistance. They figure the terminal costs about $200 today, with a
projected cost of $100 in quantities of 2,000,000.
The terminal is equipped with a built-in CCIT standard modem which
receives at 1200 baud but transmits at a much lower speed. The screen
is about 40 characters wide by some small number of lines.
I asked them if they were worried that all of the people using these
terminals (especially when they supported videotex, etc.) would swamp
the network. The response was that the network was underutilized at
present and that if everyone started using it, the increased revenues
would pay for enlarging the network. I asked if people would complain
about having to pay for the service. Their response was that people
already pay for it (twice in fact - once for the message units and
once for the directory service) and don't seem to notice. In Europe,
people don't get itemized phone bills but rather are charged for the
number of "units" of local and long distance calls they use. If a
subscriber wants to keep track of his charges, he has to rent a
counter to go on his phone.
------------------------------
Date: 17 Aug 1982 10:23 PDT
From: Lynn.ES at PARC-MAXC
cc: Lynn.es
"I don't think credit-card direct- dial is available EVERYWHERE in
U.S."
Heck direct dial is not available everywhere. I saw a pay phone last
Saturday (that I have used before) that has no dial. Lift the
receiver and an operator comes on line. If you deposit your coins
before the called party answers (and is checked by the operator to be
the right number, I might add), you lose your coins, since the
operator has no way of releasing them on these old phones. They will
mail your dimes back though. I was kind of disappointed that it
didn't have a hand crank.
/Don Lynn
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Date: 18 Aug 1982 2127-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #106
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 19 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 106
Today's Topics: Hand-Crank And Dial-Less Phones
Dialing Calling Card Calls
More On Auto-Bill Calling
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Date: 17 Aug 1982 2014-PDT
From: Zellich at OFFICE-3 (Rich Zellich)
Subject: Hand-crank and dial-less phones
About 5 years ago, I pulled off the main highway across the Mojave
desert between LA and Needles to phone in a trouble report for another
motorist, and had to crank the phone to get the operator's attention.
After the call was completed, I had to crank again to alert her, after
which she asked the phone number of the pay phone. I looked all over,
until finally the gas station attendant came over and pointed the
plainly-posted phone number out to me. I hadn't realized what it was,
because their phone number was "7"!
It's nice to see such anachronisms still in use...I occasionally
wonder if they still have the same system in use.
-Rich
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Date: 18 Aug 1982 1103-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Dialing calling card calls
Someone recently suggested flashing at Auto-Bill-Calling to get an
operator (that works, but so does pressing the "0" button, which is
why my credit card, which used to start with "0", now starts with
"6"). But why not use it? You can dial in your number faster than
you can give it to an operator.
Also, as has been pointed out before, AT&T wanted to charge a really
low rate for calling card calls, but their competitors pointed out to
the FCC that only a small percentage of the calls would be handled
automatically, and thus the credit card rate should be closer to the
operator assisted rate. The FCC will monitor the data on what percen-
tage of credit card calls are actually self dialed and will authorize
AT&T to charge the lower rate they would prefer when the data shows
that actual operator assisted calls aren't subsidizing credit card
calls. The only thing you do by demanding operator assistance is
force everyone to pay a higher rate longer.
A calling card call is a calling card call is a calling card call.
The rate is the same whether you dial the card yourself or give it to
an operator. Although some operators may claim that you have to pay a
higher rate if they dial it, they are full of baloney. Except on pay
phones (where you get a recording telling you what to do) all that
happens is the special tone comes on. Unless you've gotten the bill
insert and read it, you won't know what to do.
The following are example credit card surcharges:
Interstate calls: 0-10 miles 0.60
11-22 miles 0.80
22-up miles 1.05
(remember AT&T wanted to charge 0.50)
Intrastate calls:
Massachusetts 0.45
New Hampshire 0.30
New York 0.40
Georgia 0.30
Virginia no new rate, op asst rates still apply
Connecticutt varies by distance, e.g. 0.41 or 0.47
New Jersey no new rate, op asst rates still apply
Pennsylvania varies by distance, e.g. 0.91 or 1.03
Ohio no new rate, op asst rates still apply
Texas 0.35
California 0.40
Minnesota 0.25 above day rate, but first minute
always charged at day rate
And remember, a rate changes somewhere every day.
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Date: 18 Aug 1982 1126-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: More on Auto-Bill Calling
I just noticed that it wasn't working on my home phone. The business
office claims it should, and told me to call repair service. Oh
boy... repair service doesn't know how to fix anything other than
frayed cords.
Obviously the reason it doesn't work is that the data base shows that
I have rotary service. I suppose it is equally likely that the data
base could show that I have Touch-Tone service if I didn't. Or what
about the customer who has Touch-Tone service, but has a candlestick
phone in one room of the house. Credit card calls should not (and do
not) cost more from a phone obtained from the phone company.
Rumor has it (and I mean rumor) that they are looking at a way to
recognize and count the SOUNDS of the dial pulse clicks coming in over
the line.
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Date: 25 Aug 1982 1323-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #107
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 26 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 107
Today's Topics: Counting Dial-Pulses
Directory Assistance Charges In Washington, D.C.
ZED - Cusomer Dialed Vs. Operator Dialed - Cost Differences
Operator Codes - Montague, NJ.
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Date: 19 Aug 1982 0938-PDT
From: Ian H. Merritt <MERRITT at USC-ISIB>
Subject: Counting dial-pulses
If the same telephone company who is administering local service wants
to have the TSPS handle credit-card entry, why not add some special
mode to ESS (don't ask about mechanical switches, though) to pre-parse
the pulses and pass them on to TSPS as MF signals. Or better yet, use
the CCIS connections to communicate the mode and signal data.
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Date: 24 Aug 1982 0915-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Directory Assistance Charges in Washington, D.C.
C&P has just obtained approval from the D.C. Corporation Commission to
charge 41 cents per DA call, with no allowance. This is inside the
District only.
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Date: 19 Aug 82 08:48:40 EDT (Thu)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #106 -- Dialing credit-card calls
Cc: John R Covert <RSX-DEV@Dec-Marlboro>
In North Carolina intrastate credit-card calls *are* cheaper if you
dial the number.
--Steve
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Date: 21 Aug 1982 0132-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: smb.unc at UDEL-RELAY
Subject: Cheaper in NC if you dial the calling card?
I'll believe that only if you can send me a direct quote from the
tariff. Operators usually don't know what they are talking about. I
also cannot believe that the PUC would let customers who are either
forced to have rotary service or who have purchased rotary design line
sets suffer with a higher rate.
I just got off the phone with the supervisor I reached by dialing "0"
on my Charlotte line. She explained that if I dial 0+the number, I
will get the calling card rate (which in N.C. for intrastate calls is
0.30 on top of the DDD rate) regardless of whether I dial the calling
card or give it to the operator. But if I make the operator dial the
TELEPHONE number in an area with TSPS, then I would have to pay the
operator assisted rate.
As I said, operators don't know what they are talking about. I had to
talk to the supervisor because the operator I got told me that there
was a special calling card rate ONLY for out-of-state calls.
Even in North Carolina, a calling card call is a calling card call is
a calling card call. At least as long as you dial the telephone
number yourself when 0+ service is in your area.
As soon as ABC is turned on in the exchange in Charlotte I have access
to, I'll place two calls, just to be sure.
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Date: 21 Aug 82 19:21:43 EDT (Sat)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: Re: Cheaper in NC if you dial the calling card?
To: John R Covert <RSX-DEV@Dec-Marlboro>
I'll check again, but my source of information was the leaflets the phone
company sent out to announce the service.
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Date: 23 Aug 82 8:21:26-EDT (Mon)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: operator codes
I read a list of 50 prefixes in the 201 area (northern NJ) and see
that most of them show operator codes of "201&". However, I see an
8-character operator code for 201-293 (Montague, which is not in Bell
system) and it starts "914&"; does this mean it's right next to NY
state line? I could not find Montague on road maps of NJ or NY or in
zipcode directory, and I have previously written in this digest about
such situation elsewhere. A topic I have NOT dealt with is that of
prefixes which use a place name from across a state line (example is
301-996 Stewartstown, a Md. prefix using name of a Pa. town); I wonder
if such is the case with Montague above.
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Date: 24 Aug 82 10:20:18-EDT (Tue)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore.BRL-VLD@BRL>
cc: cmoore.Brl-Vld at BRL
Subject: Montague, NJ
I have located Montague, NJ. It's on Delaware River across from
Milford, Pa., and about 7 miles downstream from where NY, NJ, and Pa.
meet. I am guessing that the area served by Montague (201-293)
exchange is adjacent to NY state. (Beyond the scope of Telecom:
finding what the nearby zipcodes are.)
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Date: 25 Aug 1982 1307-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <JSol at USC-ECLC>
Subject: Other oddities related to Montague, NJ.
I am speculating about this, but perhaps the independent company
which serves Montague, NJ has arrangements with NY Telephone to access
the Long Distance network, and that most calls (perhaps NJ intrastate
calls are the exception) go through the 914 NPA Operators?
I know that Fishers Island, NY uses Southern New England Telephone in
Connecticut for its long distance simply because the island is closer
to CT (Area code 203) than Long Island, NY (area code 516). Fishers
Island residence numbers are listed in the New London, CT Telephone
book, and Fishers Island residents get a private phone book listing
only their exchange. When you dial "0" in Fishers Island you could get
an operator anywhere in Connecticut (which is wierd!). Fishers Island
is not served by NY Telephone, *or* Southern New England Telephone,
but has arrangements with SNET to handle long distance calls.
On the other hand, if you live in Greenwich, CT, you are served by NY
Telephone, and when you get an Operator it is from Westchester Co.
(Area Code 914.) Greenwich customers have their numbers listed in both
the Westchester Co. phone book and in the one SNET produces for
Greenwich and surrounding areas.
--JSol
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Date: 26 Aug 1982 1609-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #108
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 27 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 108
Today's Topics:
1200-Baud Modems - Quality (Or Lack Of) Phone Connections
Montague, NJ - Phone Net Strangeness
Ring Signal Query - Debugging Answering Machines
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Date: 25 Aug 1982 1703-PDT
From: Jim Celoni S.J. <CSL.JLH.Celoni at SU-SCORE>
Subject: 1200-baud modems
I've looked at the relevant Telecom archives, done some homework of my
own, and am getting ready to buy a (direct-connect) 1200-baud (and
Bell 103) modem with autodialer. The modems at the computer end
understand Bell 212A and Vadic 3400 protocols, so one of either flavor
will do. I've used a Ven-Tel 212-PLUS for several months and am
pretty happy with it, but I'm also considering the Hayes Smartmodem
1200 (212), Racal-Vadic VA 3451 PA (triple), and a Racal-Vadic (not
the new quad) that may be appearing soon (if you know anything about
it let me know). I'd go for the 3451 but am used to the Ven-Tel's
fast (DTMF) dialing.
I live 20 miles from the computers and have a standard residence line
(and almost enough usage to make FX cheaper than the 3 ORTS units I
have). With the 212+, about every third connection is unusable
(}i~rxD, more noise than text), but I'm trying out a friend's R-V VA
3413 (3400 only, no dialer, acoustic-coupled) and it's clean. (Using
the 212+ to dial up a computer off the same CO gives crisp and clean
results, and PT&T repair service says lines from my phone and to the
far computers are good.) MY QUESTION (finally): is the 3400 protocol
less sensitive to line noise (that much), does the 212+ need tuning,
or what? Might I really have a substandard line, and if so how do I
convince Ma? How good are *your* 1200-baud long-distance (e.g. DDD
.08+#min*.13) connections of either flavor?
I'll welcome any help, 3400/212 comparisons, more recent remarks on
the products, etc. and will summarize for Telecom what's of general
interest (unless you prefer otherwise). Thanks.
--Jim
Unrelatedly, placing operator-assisted calls to some same-area-code
NNXs by "0"+7D (phone book's instructions) always gives reorder tone.
I'm in 408-984, and last summer our CO was upgraded to #1? ESS (custom
calling, IDDD, different recordings--hundreds of phones were flaky for
a week during cut). Is the book wrong, or is this a bug/feature?
------------------------------
Date: 25 Aug 82 4:37 EDT (Wed)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: Montague, NJ
Yah, there is something funny going on around there. Folks who live
in Milford (served by GT&E) get the Port Jefferson, NY phone book,
which lists all of the communities in the tri-state area.
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Date: 26 Aug 1982 09:24 PDT
From: Swenson at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Request for information:
cc: Swenson at PARC-MAXC
What are the electrical parameters of the typical ring signal? (I
have a telephone answering machine that has trouble counting [timing]
ring signals, and I want to take it off line & figure out what it's
doing)
Thanks Bob Swenson
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Date: 27 Aug 1982 1703-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #109
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TELECOM AM Digest Saturday, 28 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 109
Today's Topics:
1200 Baud Modem Protocols - Bell 212A Vs. Vadic 3400
LA Telephone: Bell Or GTE? / No Tones With ITT
NPANXX Assignments Crossing State Boundaries?
Specifications - Ring Signals
TRON Recording - 900 NPA Bugs Query - Where To Report Them?
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Date: 27 Aug 1982 0104-PDT
From: Ian H. Merritt <MERRITT at USC-ISIB>
Subject: Re: 1200-baud modems (TELECOM Digest V2 #108, 26 Aug 1982)
To: CSL.JLH.Celoni at SU-SCORE
It has been my experience that 3400 format is substantially cleaner on
marginal telephone connections than 212A. In one instance, I could
rarely if ever get a connection with 212A which wouldn't periodically
send something like:
xxxxx{~xxxxxx~~~```x``~{~`x``x`x`x``x`x~
often filling several lines of the screen. Under similar conditions,
the 3400 format would \sometimes/ get a data hit, but even when it
did, it was usually more like:
yyy
or even shorter. The incidence of data hits seems to be (in my casual
observation) substantially reduced by the use of 3400 format.
Racal-Vadic probably has some literature documenting more exact
comparisons and perhaps explaning why.
Even though it doesn't auto-dial, I would \STRONGLY/ recommend the
Vadic. Even if it means having to use an external dialer.
One other thing is that the 212A implementation on Vadics is supposed
to be superior to most others, but I am not sure just how, and whether
it makes any difference.
<>IHM<>
PS: This message was sent via a VA3451 in 212A mode, with a GDC modem
on the computer end. I have not taken any data hits during the
message, even though the call is traversing probably 12 miles of
circuit and crossing a Bell-System/GTE boundary.
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Date: 26 Aug 1982 1703-PDT
From: Gene Autrey-Hunley <Autrey-Hunley at SRI-KL>
Subject: Experience with 1200 Baud Modems
Work address: Suite 6801, 200 E. Randlolph Dr., Chicago, IL 60615
Home address: 1123 E. 53 St., Chicago, IL 60615
Telephone: (312)565-2222 work, (312)752-3432 home
I have used three different brands of 1200 Baud modems in the Chicago
area. I use them for both Tymnet access and dial-in to local
computers.
The three brands are Vadic VA3451 (triple protocol), UDS 212 LP (Bell
212 equivalent only), and Penril DCD 1200/300 (212 and 103). None of
them has an autodialer.
I've had the most experience with the Vadic. I find automatic
selection of protocol handy. Based on good experience, I use the
Vadic 3400 protocol when it is available. Second choice is 212, with
103 (300 Baud) last. Subjectively I find that the Vadic protocol
seems to be more robust than 212.
The UDS is inexpensive and simple to operate--only one switch, and it
is designed to connect conveniently to your phone. Both the Vadic and
Penril required Y-splitters and special switches on the phone cable so
that I can hang up the phone after making the connection.
I, too, would like to have an autodialer; so I will be interested in
your decision.
--Gene
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Date: 26 Aug 82 19:22:50-EDT (Thu)
From: Randall Gellens <gellens.CC@UDel-Relay>
To: TELECOM at Usc-Eclb
Subject: LA telephone: Bell or GTE? / No Tones with ITT
Via: UDel-CC; 26 Aug 82 19:40-EDT
When I was last in the LA area, it seemed that some phone books were
from a GTE-affiliated company, while others were from a
Bell-affiliate. Every pay phone I saw was Bell, however. (Although
on some, which seemed to be touch-tone, when I dialed the local access
of my alternative carrier, the push-buttons were dead -- no tone at
all. When I dialed the pay phone next to me and answered, the
push-buttons worked correctly -- generated tones. (I was mostly in
Laguna, Hollywood, West Hollywood, and Beverly Hills.)
[Some phones in LA are GTE, some are Bell, the Bell ones tend to not
let you dial into competition carrier systems, GTE doesn't seem to
mind, since you usually end up paying them local message unit charges
to reach the dialins. --JSol]
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Date: 27 Aug 1982 0021-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Stewartstown
NPA-NXX assignments are very unlikely to cross a state line, even if
the physical exchange serves both sides of the line. This is the case
with 717-993, Stewartstown, Pennsylvania and 301-996, which is some
small number of telephones in Maryland, just over the border from
Stewartstown. In order for calls to these telephones to be billed at
the proper rate, a 301 NPA has to be assigned. In fact there are
separate Vertical and Horizontal coordinates given.
The number 717 993-2963 is the Stewartstown, Pa borough office. It
can be reached by dialing 301 996-2963, but to gain a lower rate by
doing so would, of course, be fraud.
Not all cases where an exchange crosses allow you to reach numbers by
using the wrong NXX; that will depend on the equipment in each case.
Don't assume that just because the operator's route for some location
is X that all toll traffic for that location is handled through X.
Most of Northern Virginia has 202+ as its operator's route, but, of
course, there is an Arlington, Virginia 4A (maybe 4E by now). On the
other hand, there is an explicit operator's route for the towns near
Triangle, Virginia, but that little phone company doesn't do its own
toll. All the operators route indicates is where the INWARD operator
for a particular location is, or often, in the case of TSPS inward,
where the TSPS base unit is for inward operators, who could be miles
away, or even in different states, and not necessarily the same place
each time a call completes. Over the past few years, inward has
become further separated from local operators.
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Date: 26 Aug 82 22:16:38 EDT (Thu)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: Ring signals
Cc: Swenson at Parc-Maxc
Via: UNC; 27 Aug 82 0:28-EDT
From "Electrical Characteristics of Bell System Network Facilities at
the Interface with Voiceband Ancillary and Data Equipment" (catchy
title, huh?), PUB 47001:
Ringing voltages applied at the central office are normally
86 +/-2 volts rms, 20 +/-3 Hz with a dc voltage added to
enable the tripping and detection of answer. The ac and dc
voltages are usually applied to the ring conductor with
ground on the tip conductor. For some switching systems, the
ac voltage can vary from 65 to 130 volts rms, while the dc
component can vary from 36 to 75 volts negative with respect
to ground.
Ringing signals are repetitive bursts, typically of 2 seconds
duration out of each 6 second interval. In some applications
bursts may be as short as 0.8 seconds. A partial burst of
ringing may occur initially. During the silent interval,
central office battery is applied to the line.
.... terminal equipment whould have a minimum impedance of
8000/REN (Ringer Equivalence Number) ohms at 20 Hz for
voltages from 40 to 50 volts rms and a nominal ringer
capacitance of 0.45 uF.
Certain signals may appear at the interface which could be
falsely interpreted as alerting signals. Appropriate
precautions should be taken in the design of terminal
equipment ringing detectors (ringers excluded) so that they
do not respond to the following signals: momentary bursts of
ringing less than 125 milliseconds in duration, or 40 volts
rms, 60 or 180 Hz longitudinal voltages appearing on tip or
ring with respect to ground.
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Date: 27 Aug 1982 0520-EDT
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: TRON recording??
I recently tried dialing that 800 number TRON promo that was mentioned
a while back in some digest [I think it was SFL]. I was obviously way
out of date for it, since it was supposed to be up only for a couple
of weeks. Anyhow, I got a sort of standard error recording, except
that the tape machine at the other end was having real problems. It
would slow down every so often and get totally unintelligible, like
what you hear from your cassette deck just before it eats your
favorite rare live-from-the-radio tape. I called repair, just for the
fun of it, and told them that somewhere out there there was a tape
drive teetering on the brink of meltdown. I had to explain three
times before the lady understood what I was driving at. Then she told
me that she had no idea who was in charge of that number. I asked
wasn't someone or some department generally in charge of WATS stuff,
and she said that if anyone was in charge of that number that her
computer would have told her. She said that it showed ''unknown''.
Then she asked for my number and got somewhat upset when I told her
that it wasn't important, this was a more generalized problem.
Any repair bureau wizards out there that can explain what was *really
going on??
_H*
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Date: 30 Aug 1982 1905-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #110
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TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 31 August 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 110
Today's Topics:
Last Panel Office Going... Going... Gone!
LA Telephones & Polarity Guards - Technical Vs. Political
Standards For Ring Signals
1200 Baud Modem Protocols
Followup - Montague, NJ.
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Date: 29-Aug-82 20:40:59-PDT (Sun)
From: mhtsa!houxb!hosbc!lmg
To: houxb!mhtsa!ucbvax!boken at RUTGERS
Re: Panel Office
BELL TO SILENCE NATION'S LAST SWITCH RACK
by Ted Sherman
For nearly 60 years, the tall circuit racks at the telephone
building on Avon Avenue in Newark have been loudly clicking
nonstop to connect customers in what was once called the
Bigelow exchange area.
The electro-mechanical panel office, which represented a
technological breakthrough in 1923 by allowing customers to
dial local calls without the assistance of an operator, has
long been obsolete but continued to route calls for 15,000
persons.
It is the last such office in the Bell System and on
September 11 it will be replaced with an electronic
switching system that can handle more calls, has no moving
parts and makes no noise.
Charles O. Luff Jr., the chief switchman at the office, has
spent 30 of his 41 years at the telephone company among the
clattering panel racks.
"I've always called it the great old beast," he said of the
giant switching machine which takes up two stories and
incorporates miles of neatly bundled wires brown with age.
* * *
The office switches all incoming and outgoing calls for the
exchange through thousands of sliding mechanical contacts
that travel up and down long brass rods within aisle after
aisle of mechanical racks like shelves of books at a
library.
Before the introduction of the panel office, callers had to
give the telephone number they were trying to reach to an
operator who then would complete the call. The panel dial
system eliminated all that and was expanded to many of the
state's major cities before the development of better
switching equipment.
At one point it was the workhorse of the Bell System,
although the mechanical parts needed constant maintenance
and care.
- 2 -
Luff said in the days before air conditioning, the
electrical contacts in the racks were especially sensitive
to humidity in the summer. To dry out the equipment,
officials were forced to turn up the heat, frequently
pushing the temperature above 100 degrees.
"We had to bring in tubs of ice and fans to cool down the
operators," Luff said, recalling that Bell had a strict
dress code in the 1940s that required operators to wear long
skirts and starched white blouses.
Luff said the Avon Avenue panel office had been retained by
New Jersey Bell because the area was experiencing a negative
growth rate and the mechanical switching racks continued to
work.
However, the office will be closed on Sept. 11 and its
operations will be taken over by electronic switching units
at 95 Washington Street.
The transfer will make it necessary for 3,800 customers to
get new telephone numbers, but the rest of the people
switched through the Avon Avenue office will not notice the
change.
"It's like the last of the old steam engines," Luff said of
the panel office. "The machine can handle the job, but the
cost of maintenance is so high."
When all of its circuits were used in the 1940s, it took 18
persons to look after the switching racks. As its use was
phased out, Luff said, 12 technicians were needed to
maintain the facility, which has to be staffed 24 hours a
day.
The new electronic switching systems do not have to be
staffed. Luff said an electronic switching system can
diagnose its internal problems, fix what is wrong or tell
someone what the problem is in a blink of an eye.
The technology changes I've seen in the past 40 years are
just incredible," he said.
Luff said the panel office would be retired in place,
noting: "The machine is going first and I'm going very
shortly after."
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Date: 27 August 1982 2333-PDT (Friday)
From: lauren at UCLA-Security (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: L.A. phones
As Jon mentioned, Los Angeles is served by both Pacific Telephone
(Bell) and General Telephone. In the "early" days, Pacific snapped up
the populous areas and General took the "undesirable" areas where
"nobody" lived. These "undesirable" areas didn't stay that way too
long however: Bel Air, West Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Malibu, Pacific
Palisades, San Fernando, and the like became extremely popular as the
years wore on. This sudden influx of population caught poor ol'
little GTE by surprise, and is the primary reason why GTE's service in
L.A. has been very poor (though they are very rapidly phasing in EAX
equipment and phasing out their ancient SXS offices). General just
did not have the resources to handle so many people so quickly.
There were a couple of tiny telcos as well -- out in the valley there
was a company that provided both the water services and the telephone
service... they were popularly known as "drip and tinkle". They were
eventually bought up by GTE.
I have to disagree with Jon's assessment of the payphone story here in
L.A., however. To fully understand the situation, you really need to
have been around here quite a while (I've lived in L.A. my entire
life, in both GTE and Pacific service areas). The important point
about using the touchtone pad of a payphone after a connection has
been completed revolves around the way the line polarity is handled.
For many, many years, the old SXS equipment GTE has used in L.A.
never could be relied upon to present a "unified" polarity to the
subscriber set. That is, each time you picked up the phone, the line
might have a different polarity (tip and ring reversed). GTE dealt
with these sorts of problems by putting bridge rectifiers (known in
the industry as "polarity guards") in all touchtone (excuse me, I mean
"touch calling" [GTE terminology]) phones. This would assure that
they would operate properly regardless of polarity. Both regular
subcriber sets and paystations were treated in this manner.
On the other hand, most Western Electric equipment (until fairly
recently, apparently) never included polarity guards, though they were
available as an option for special situations. Bell System SXS and #5
XBar offices in L.A. were much less prone to strange polarity changes,
and could generally be relied upon to behave in the same fashion for
all calls. I guess they also figured that their craftspeople were
capable of figuring out the proper polarity when they installed the
phones ... I've never been sure whether most GTE people had any idea
exactly what polarity even meant.
All of this worked just fine until people started wanting to enter
touchtone signals from paystations AFTER calls were completed. The
GTE (Automatic Electric) phones worked -- they had the polarity guards
for the reasons discussed above. But the Western Electric paystations
did not, and the polarity on the line was reversing when the call
answered as part of the phone control mechanism. So... touchtone
worked from GTE paystations, but not from Pacific Telephone stations.
As it turns out, more and more Pacific paystations are apparently
being upgraded with polarity guards, since I have successfully used
many such phones for "post-completion" touchtone signaling. No doubt
there are still many phones which have not yet been upgraded, however.
Anyway, that's more than you EVER wanted to know about payphones in
Los Angeles. The important point is that there is not (and has not)
been some kind of "political" decision behind the tone problems -- it
has been strictly a technical issue all along.
--Lauren--
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Date: 29-Aug-82 22:56:06-PDT (Sun)
From: eagle!karn
Subject: ringing
Standard ringing in the Bell System is 88V RMS, 20 Hz, with a duty
cycle of 2 seconds on and 4 seconds off.
PBXs have a different duty cycle, typically 1 second on, 3 seconds
off, but this can vary. Some have interrupted double or even triple
rings, e.g., the Bell Dimension (TM) PBX when receiving an outside or
high priority call.
Phil Karn
Bell Labs
Murray Hill, NJ
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Date: 28 August 1982 06:05-EDT
From: Eliot R. Moore <ELMO at MIT-MC>
Subject: Re: 1200-baud modems (TELECOM Digest V2 #108, 26 Aug 1982)
cc: ELMO at MIT-MC, CSL.JLH.Celoni at SU-SCORE, MERRITT at USC-ISIB
Actually, Vadic has been offering an auto-dial option for the 3450
series for at least 3 months. As I understand it, you can order a
345X-PA for $75 more than a 345X-P, or you can send your current 345X
into the factory along with $75, and theyl'll update your software.
I'm not sure if this can be done on Vadics without a built-in
voice-data switch.
One more thing: it is pulse-only, so it won't work with sprint, mci,
itt, fancy "Horizon" PBX's, and a number of other tone-only systems.
Eliot
Elmo @ Mit-MC
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Date: 27 August 1982 22:17-EDT
From: Frank J. Wancho <FJW at MIT-MC>
Subject: Various 1200 baud protocols
There's yet another: UDS 12.12, which I regularly use over some 60(!)
land miles for the past six years. It has a much more favorable noise
characteristic than any of the others I have tried, particularly, the
VADIC 3400 series. With the 3400's I get the similar annoying noise
characteristics as I do with the standard 103s - i.e., DELs when I
least expect them. Not ever seeing a DEL at 1200 is my idea of
favorable no matter what other noise characters may appear. I have
not used a 212A and cannot comment on it.
--Frank
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Date: 27 August 1982 23:11-EDT
From: Keith F. Lynch <KFL at MIT-MC>
Subject: 1200 baud protocols
Vadic 3400 protocol uses 2250 hz for originate and 1150 hz for
answer. Bell 212 protocol uses 1200 hz for originate and 2400 hz for
answer. Since the Bell 212 answer carrier is twice the frequency of
the originate carrier, it is very susceptible to harmonic distortion.
Also: both 1200 and 2400 hz are harmonics of the usual powerline
frequency, 60 hz.
That is the main reason (only reason?) why Vadic 3400 is the better
protocol. Two questions:
1) Does anyone know of any redeeming features Bell 212 protocol has,
compared to Vadic 3400?
2) I hear the terms Bell 212, Bell 212A, and Bell 213 used
interchangably. Is there any difference?
...Keith
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Date: 30 Aug 82 8:12:48-EDT (Mon)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
To: smb.unc at Udel-Relay
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: followups
If you are referring to tri-state area (NY, NJ, Pa.), wouldn't you
mean Port Jervis instead of Port Jefferson, NY? (Latter is on Long
Island.)
Too new (?) for zipcode directories I used: Montague, NJ 07827 is CPO
of Branchville, NJ 07826.
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 31-Aug-82 17:02:03
Date: 31 Aug 1982 1702-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #111
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TELECOM AM Digest Wednesday, 1 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 111
Today's Topics:
Pacific Telephone Requests Rate Increase
Battery Reversal On Bell System Payphones
1200 Baud Modems - Pulse Vs. Tone Autodialer
V. & H. Tape Information - Carter Lake, Iowa
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Date: Tuesday, 31 Aug 1982 10:21-PDT
From: nomdenet at RAND-UNIX
Subject: Pacific Telephone Requests Rate Increase
From The Los Angeles Times for Tuesday, August 31, 1982
Vol. 101, no. 271, p. 1. Copyright (C) 1982, Los Angeles Times
Phone Firm Seeks Major Rate Increase
Basic telephone rates for most California households would more
than double and the price of using a public telephone would rise to 25
cents under a record $864.5-million rate increase request announced
Monday by Pacific Telephone & Telegraph Co.
Saying it has been "whipsawed" by competition, recession and
inflation, the telephone company said it wants the basic monthly
residential rate increased to $15 statewide, up from $7 a month in Los
Angeles and San Francisco and $6.70 a month in the rest of its service
area. If approved by the state Public Utilities Commission, the rate
increase would hike the average bill of a typical telephone user to
$48.77 per month from the current $39.55, the telephone company said.
The basic rate charge for businesses would rise to $19 a month from
$14.55.
'Fairly Ambitious'
Martin Mattes, legal adviser to PUC president John E. Bryson,
described the requested rate hike as "fairly ambitions," adding, "It's
highly unlikely that they'll get all they asked for."
But Bryson and other PUC officials have predicted that the phone
company's local rates will rise sharply in the next few years.
Debt-burdened Pacific Telephone needs additional revenues because it
is being severed from American Telephone & Telegraph Co., the parent
firm that has long subsidized its operations.
Mattes said a decision on the rate-hike request will probably take
at least a year. About two thirds of California telephone customers
are served by Pacific Telephone.
Public telephone calls have cost a dime in California for more than
30 years. But phone company officials said the cost of a call is
close to a quarter, and noted that resident of nine other states,
including Florida, Texas, and Oregon, already pay a quarter for public
telephone calls.
The company said the dime rate would remain in effect in public
phones that do not allow emergency calls to be made without charge.
Pacific Telephone is now converting all its phones to free emergency
service, and should complete the job in 1985, the company said.
About 89% of Pacific Telephone's California customers use the flat
rate in paying for residential service. The flat rate for minimal
"lifeline" residential service would remain at $2.50 under the
proposed hike.
But the allowance of 30 free local calls with that service would be
trimmed to 10 calls. The effect would be to increase the average
lifeline bill to $24.24 from the current $21.21, according to Pacific
Telephone.
The 4% of Pacific Telephone customers who take the "standard
measure service" would see their rates rise from the current $3.75 a
month with $3 worth of free calls to $6 a month with all calls billed
at 4 cents for the first minute and 1 cent for each additional minute.
The company's rate hike request would also raise installation
charges, to $35 from $23 for orders placed through Phone Center
stores, and to $83 from the current $55.50 for orders telephoned into
the company.
The Public Utilities Commission last August approved a rate
increase of $610 million, which was scaled down from a $790-million
rate hike requested in June, 1980.
Mattes said that if the requested increases are approved, Pacific
Telephone's public telephone and basic residential rate services would
be slightly more expensive than those of most U.S. telephone operating
companies.
The phone company has asked that its maximum authorized return on
investment be increased to 14.31%, up from the 9.91% that was
authorized to be in effect for the firm next year. By comparison,
General Telephone Co. has a current authorized return on investment of
12.71%, Mattes said.
In announcing the planned rate hike request, Pacific Telephone
stressed its continuing financial problems. It said the hike was not
sought in connection with the impending AT&T divestiture.
Bonds Downgraded
"We have the poorest financial performance" of any of the Bell
System's 22 local operating companies, a spokesman said, noting that
company bonds have been downgraded several times in recent years so
that they now carry an A-minus rating.
The recession has brought a significant drop in phone use and
caused revenues so far this year to fall $500 million under
projections, the spokesman said. The drop in usage has forced the
company to delay $141 million in capital spending planned for 1982 and
$760 million in work planned for 1983.
One securities analyst, Adam Leight of San Francisco-based Sutro &
Co., said the utilities commission has been stricter than other state
regulatory bodies in approving telephone company requests for rate
increases.
One consumer activist, Ken McEldowney, co-director of Consumer
Action, called the request "outrageous."
------------------------------
Date: 30 Aug 1982 2346-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Battery reversal on Bell System payphones
There are various bits of folklore about why dials don't work on Bell
payphones, most of them wrong.
Battery does not reverse back to the calling station when a connection
is made; that is not the reason. If you pay close attention to when
the dial goes dead on a phone, you will find that it is at the point
at which the call is connected to a trunk on which additional coins
will be collected.
In areas where you get flat rate coin calls (or some areas with simple
rate structures where an additional nickel has to be thrown in every
once in a while) battery will not reverse except when the call goes to
TSPS. So on local calls the dial works; on LD calls, it doesn't.
Nonsense from TELCO security folks might be "it is to prevent fraud,"
so that you can't fool an operator about coin deposit by using the
touch-tone buttons. Poppycock!
The truth is that the way the totalizer works is that coins can count
up beyond the local-call-deposit only when battery is reversed. In
order to make the dial work for Auto-Bill-Calling, new TSPS trunks
have to be installed that allow TSPS to arrange to reverse battery to
the phone ONLY when an operator or the automatic collection machine is
on the line.
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Date: 31 August 1982 00:57-EDT (Tuesday)
From: Robert A. Carter <Carter at RUTGERS>
To: Eliot R. Moore <ELMO at MIT-MC>, CSL.JLH.Celoni at SU-SCORE,
MERRITT at USC-ISIB
Subject: 1200-baud modems (TELECOM Digest V2 #108, 26 Aug 1982)
The 3451 Auto Dialer cost me $160 (aftermarket), and aint worth it.
It will not connect at all (although CXR shows on) if the other end
responds too slowly or too quickly (i.e. while the dialer is printing
out its cutesy-poo msg).
The lack of tone capability is a major misfeature; even Radio Shuck
knows better.
I bought the thing because I often call
a. A local modem hung on a MUX (which signals whenever it
feels good and ready), and
b. A 23-digit alternative carrier goodie.
The auto-dialer is useless for either. When I grumbled to Racal-Vadic
about it, the lady told me sweetly that I could buy a separate auto-
dialer for $600. So I got Speed-Calling for (a) and just suffer for
(b). Sigh.
In fairness, there is one nice feature: When the autodialer is called
from the term, the modem ignores the position of HS; setting the
terminal speed set the modem speed automatically.
_Bob
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Date: 30 Aug 1982 2209-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Carter Lake, Iowa
Carl Moore just sent me another cross-state NPA-NXX combin- ation.
402-347 and 712-347 both work for calls to Carter Lake, Iowa.
I just checked the Rate & Route database for Carter Lake. At first
glance it looked like it was the same situation as with Stewarts-
town, Pa. However, on closer inspection, although the database lists
402-347 as C.L., Nebraska and 712-347 as C.L., Iowa, it is extremely
strange that they have exactly the same Vertical and Horizontal
components. My National Geographic atlas shows C.L. to be in
Nebraska. However, a friend of mine in Omaha has a city map which
shows that C.L. is in Iowa (in fact it has a Council Bluffs Zipcode).
This is more likely a case of the state line being changed as a result
of the Mississippi River changing course, something it occasionally
does. In fact, Carter Lake (the Lake), a crescent shaped lake, is
likely to be the old river course. It seems odd that the old NPA-NXX
combination was not retired (maybe it will be; I don't know when the
boundary was moved) -- and then again, maybe there are phones served
by the exchange on the other side of the boundary, and to keep from
changing their phone rate, the V&H wasn't moved for the people who
stayed in Nebraska. Being in Nebraska with a V&H in Iowa is strange,
but not surprising.
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Date: 30 Aug 1982 2313-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Postscript on Carter Lake
I should have looked at my own copy of the database, but that machine
was not easily accessible at the time I was looking into the question.
The database actually lists 402-347 as Iowa; the operator I talked to
read it wrong. The area served actually was transferred from Nebraska
to Iowa as a result of a river course change.
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 1-Sep-82 19:14:59
Date: 1 Sep 1982 1914-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #112
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 2 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 112
Today's Topics: Bryant Pond - Don't Yank The Crank
More on VADIC 3400 Modems
Tone Encoder & Decoder Query
More Carter Lake, Iowa Trivia - State Boundaries Vs. River Course
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From: uucp at NPRDC
From sdchema!bam Tue Aug 31 18:03:52 1982 remote from sdcsvax
An interesting article in Time Magazine about the last 'crank'
telephone system in the country brings up a few questions.. I was
under the impression that there were still quite a few of these manual
systems left in the country... Mostly in some southwest desert
communities. The last one to go in California was Catalina Island but
that still should leave several in the state?! Does anyone have any
details of similiar systems still operational?
By the way, the Time article was about the impending loss of the
'crank' system to a dial one. The community of Bryant Pond was not
thrilled by the idea and have organized a protest against the
impending upgrade. "Don't yank the Crank" T-shirts are availble
directly from them for Ten dollars.
For more info, contact:
DON'T YANK THE CRANK
BOX 56
BRYANT POND, MAINE 04216
or call,
Alice Johnson at:
Bryant Pond 137
Bret Marquis
ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdchema!bam
sdcsvax!sdchema!bam@NPRDC
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Date: 1 Sep 1982 0359-EDT
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: More on Modems
I have used a Vadic 3405 thru both direct calling *and* Sprint with
very favorable results. Most of the direct calls are about 30 miles.
The occasional hit does indeed show up as a ''y'', usually... this
seems to be the default character that the Vadic gives you when it
doesn't know what it received. If you begin to get lots of them on a
good line, it is probably time to have the modem card looked at.
Sometimes the echoing on a carrier service causes what approaches a
loopback effect, and throws the whole thing off, but usually the
transmission thru these is quite satisfactory unless you try and go
cross-country or something.
Okay. While someone is answering that question about 212, 212A, etc.
could he also throw in a little piece about 202?? I believe this is a
real protocol but I have no idea what it's about. In one of our
pieces of Vadic documentation, there is mention of ''202 protocol'',
but the reference is very unclear. Does it have anything to do with
Vadic protocol?
_H*
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Date: 1 Sep 1982 0402-EDT
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: Tone chips
I have for a while now wanted to build an autodialer that uses tones.
Has anyone had any experience with any of those chips that do the tone
generation? I hear they are cheap; if I could interface one to a
micro with some simple port hardware I would be happy.
Also, does anyone know any easy way to do tone *detection*? I would
like to be able to talk to a micro remotely thru a touchtone pad.
_H*
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Date: 1 Sep 82 8:08:09-EDT (Wed)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
To: john covert <rsx-dev@Dec-Marlboro>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: river & state line
Without knowing the details about Carter Lake, Iowa, I do recall
reading years ago that if a river suddenly changes course (as it did
at Carter Lake?) the boundary stays put. So the following is
possible: Carter Lake was always part of Iowa and simply got shifted
to "wrong" side of river by sudden course change.
[I think John Covert was talking about Legislation to permanently move
Carter Lake into Iowa (?) --JSol]
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 2-Sep-82 23:31:12
Date: 2 Sep 1982 2331-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #113
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 3 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 113
Today's Topics: Reprogramming ESS Touch-Tone Line
Bryant Pond - Address Correction Requested
DTMF Signalling and Encoding Documentation Pointer
DTMF Encoders & Decoders - Experience
Calling Cards Revisited
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Date: 1 September 1982 20:55 mst
From: Lippard at M (James J. Lippard)
Subject: Touch-tone line
Sender: Lippard.Scouting at M
Reply-To: Lippard%PCO-Multics at MIT-MULTICS
In my phone bill last month was included a notice which stated that
touch-tone phones were now available for my area, as well as call
forwarding, call waiting, and the other special features. It said
that my area was now on new equipment, so calls to other people on the
same equipment would result in the ring as soon as the last number was
dialed.
I sent in the card requesting a touch-tone phone, and about a week
later I get a call from Colorado (I'm in Arizona). It turns out they
want to charge me for shipping from Colorado, plus they want to charge
me $27.50 for "reprogramming the line" for touch-tone. I said forget
it, and just plan to go down to the local Phone Center Store to take
care of it.
Has anyone else had a similar experience? What is this "reprogramming
the line" business?
Jim
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Date: 2-Sep-82 15:33:33 PDT (Thursday)
From: Jheinrich at PARC-MAXC
cc: Jheinrich at PARC-MAXC
Anybody know if the address for Bryant's Pond in this digest
For more info, contact:
DON'T YANK THE CRANK
BOX 56
BRYANT POND, MAINE 04216
or call,
Alice Johnson at:
Bryant Pond 137
is correct?
An earlier Digest gave it as Box 67, as I recall.
Joe
JHeinrich.pa@PARC-MAXC
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Date: 2 Sep 1982 at 1403-PDT
From: worthington at SRI-TSC
To: AWalker at Rutgers
There is a fairly extensive rundown on the options available for DTMF
signaling and decoding for just the application you describe in Ciarcia's
Circuit Cellar feature in the December, 1981 issue of BYTE entitled
"Build a Touch Tone Decoder for Remote Control"... Dave
------------------------------
Date: 2 Sep 1982 21:27:12-PDT
From: D.jlapsley at Berkeley
Subject: Touch-tone chips
The two Touch-tone chips that I have had experience with are the
MM5395 touch-tone generator (by National Semiconductor), and the MM53125
(also made by National Semiconductor).
Both of these chips are CMOS and require an external 3.58... MHz
crystal. They both use 3x4 or 4x4 matrix keyboards to decide on which
tone to generate. The only real difference between the two is that the
MM53125 generates the 1633 Hz tone for the fourth column of touch-tones.
On the subject of receiving touch-tone signals, there is an excellent
article on doing this (as well as generating touch-tones, and there are
circuits given which do both) in the December 1981 Byte magazine.
Phil
------------------------------
Date: 3 Sep 1982 0043-EDT
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: Calling cards revisited
It seems that the customer-entry system has just been implemented [cut
over, rather] here in New Brunswick. When I was near the Morristown
office I tried to find out when they were going to install it there also.
I went through a number of loops and backtraces that the readership may
find entertaining.
I talked to a regular operator, and no, they had not received any training
about the system yet, nor had the supervisor received any instructional
material for it. One super gave me a mumble that it wasn't due till
next year, but I'd better try the business office, they'd know better.
I tried them. They gave me a similar mumble. It was at this point that
I introduced my real complaint: that the dials did not work when connected
on an existing call thru TSPS [which has been true around here for years,
but with the increasing popularity of MCI and friends, one would expect
that more people would find this out and complain about it.] It took
me about 3 tries to make these people understand what I was driving at.
I did the standard thing and asked for a supervisor. Finally from there
I was directed to repair [they probably thought I was trying to report
*one* broken pay phone]. I gave up on the B.O. and tried business
repair, and finally from them I got the number of the ''coin
headquarters'' for the state. I talked to a friendly supervisor there
who gave me the following information:
A local company in Morristown had requested that polarity guards be installed
on the pay stations in their plant. This work was done. She didn't know
about the rest of the area.
The Mechanized Calling Card System [MCCS [Oh, so **that**'s what
you call it!]] was not due to be cut over until May '83. To find this
out, she had to go off the line for about 5 minutes while she called
elsewhere, to someone who had the implementation schedule for the
whole state. Therefore I found out that there is indeed a statewide
master plan for MCCS cutovers, and Morristown's problem is just that
it's at the end of the line. She didn't know why. She couldn't find
out about projected installation of polarity guards, either.
So there sits the Morristown office: While the rest of the state is turning
digital all around it, it sits there with two of its exchanges happily
clacking away on some of the oldest #5 crossbar equipment around, and
making its operators bear the full burden of calling card calls. Oy, vey.
_H*
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 4-Sep-82 00:05:28
Date: 4 Sep 1982 0005-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #114
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TELECOM AM Digest Saturday, 4 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 114
Today's Topics: Public Touch Tone Polarity Sensitivity
Stewartstown - PA or MD
Collect Local Calls When Problems Arise
Reprogramming ESS For Touch Tone
202, 212A, 3400 - 1200 Baud Protocols & Tone Detection
Sprint Charges For Ringing Signal Time
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Date: 3 Sep 1982 04:16:58-PDT
From: whuxlb!mag at Berkeley
Note on coin phone polarity. I know the guys at the labs who designed
those pay phones. I have spent the last year designing testing
methods for them. The polarity sensitivity of the Touch-Tone pad IS,
repeat IS, a security measure. The person who authored the article
saying it is not is all wet. Believe me, I know. With normal
battery, the totalizer will home after any coins are deposited greater
than initial rate. With reversed battery, or in ANY toll situation,
the totalizer will home after EVERY coin, whether or not it equals
initial rate. If its accumulating coins, then the phone is BROKEN.
MAG.
P.S. Perhaps the author was confusing the totalizer with the hopper,
which will accumulate coins untilthe coin relay collects or returns
them.
------------------------------
Date: 3 Sep 82 7:47:46-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
Subject: Stewartstown; NXX
It would be interesting to learn what it says on pay phones in the
Stewartstown (Pa.) exchange. I would guess that it says 717-993
instead of 301-996, and that the (rural?) area served by this exchange
in Md. might not have a pay phone in it.
What "step-by-step" areas are likely to get N0X and N1X prefixes?
(I.e., areas that already have 1+ dialing.) I don't think LA area
(213) had 1+ before N0X and N1X; NYC (212) did not, and Chicago area
(312) does not have it now.
------------------------------
Date: 3 September 1982 08:29-EDT
From: Jeffrey Krauss <KRAUSS at MIT-MC>
Subject: Collect Local calling
I received a collect LOCAL call last night!! It was in the middle of
a thunderstorm, and my wife was trying to call home from a pay
station, and she was getting no ringing (high-and-dry) after dialing.
The operator refused to assist with the diaaling--that's what they
will do on toll calls--but offered to put through a clooect call.
Cost is 15 cents for the call plus 30 cents for operator handling. I
am interested to see how it will appear on my bill
---Jeff Krauss---
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Date: 3 Sep 1982 0812-PDT
From: Lynn Gold <FIGMO at KESTREL>
Address: Kestrel Institute, 1801 Page Mill Rd., Palo Alto, CA 94304
Phone: (415) 494-2233
Subject: "Reprogramming the line"
A friend of mine in New York City was given a similar line, so he
complained to the PUC (Public Utilities Commission).
It is, in fact, CHEAPER for most phone companies to install and
maintain touch-tone lines than pulse! The reason they still charge
more for the former is that it is "unfair to those customers who live
in areas where touch-tone is not available (i.e., where there are
mountains in the way, etc.), so to be fair, we HAVE to charge more."
There is no "conversion" that takes place on your line unless you
actually have to change your phone number.
--Lynn
[In the case of older switching, it may require central office work to
enable your line for touch tone, until we are all on Electronic
Switching, we will continue to class, and pay for, similar services
based on obsolete switching restrictions. The same argument applies to
Calling Card Calls which can be "dialed direct" (without an operator).
--JSol]
------------------------------
Date: 2 Sep 82 09:17:33 EDT (Thu)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #112 -- 202 modems, tone encoders
Cc: AWalker at Rutgers
Via: UNC; 3 Sep 82 1:59-EDT
The 202 modem is an old half-duplex 1200 baud modem; when you're done
sending, you drop RTS and the carrier goes away. That in turn will
free the remote modem to send its carrier, and present CTS to its machine
(after the machine requests it via RTS). The advantage of the Vadic 3400
and the Bell 212 protocols is that they are full duplex.
About tone detection -- there was a pretty good article on it in BYTE
a few months back that describes some nifty ICs for the purpose. If
anyone wants, I can dig up more specific information on it.
------------------------------
Date: 3 Sep 1982 1119-PDT
From: Ted Shapin <BEC.SHAPIN at USC-ECL>
Subject: Sprint Gotcha
Mail-Address: 2500 Harbor Blvd., Fullerton, CA 92634
Phone: (714) 970-3393
I am in the habit of using SPRINT at home for long distant calls. I
used it to call a talk-show radio station on their long distance line
(mistake!). They don't answer this line until they are ready to take
the call on the air. I let it ring for 1-1/2 hours.
Surprise - Sprint billed me for a 1-1/2 hour call!
------------------------------
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9-Sep-82 18:22:49-PDT,14535;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 9-Sep-82 18:21:57
Date: 9 Sep 1982 1821-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #115
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 10 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 115
Today's Topics:
Paystations & Polarity & 1+ Dialing & Common Carriers
Tone Polarity Mismatch - Repair Service Comments
PBX Extensions - Quality (or lack thereof)
Vadic Audodial - Blind Outpulser Warning
RSVP Service - More Custom Calling
NJ Phone Prefix Lists - Independent Companies
Conversion To Touch Tone - Processing Charges
Bryant Pond Is Really The Last Of The Ancient...
Carter Lake, Always Part Of Iowa
Morristown Has It Bad...
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Date: 4 September 1982 1516-PDT (Saturday)
From: lauren at UCLA-Security (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: misc. items
It's time to tie together some loose ends, I guess...
1) Paystations. I don't recall anyone saying that payphone polarity
reversal was not a security measure. In my discussion on this
topic, I simply said that polarity was reversed as part of the
"phone control" mechanism... I didn't feel it was appropriate to go
into a detailed discussion of battery reversal and its effects on
the coin totalizer; these are fairly well known.
In any case, the point is that there is nothing stopping operating
companies from adding polarity guards to the pads ... allowing the
pads to work does NOT effect totalizer security.
2) I remember getting the first DIAL 1 FIRST promos from PacTel
many years ago. I believe we started on 1+ dialing well before the
first N 0/1 X prefixes were cutover -- at least a couple of months
ahead. On the subject of such prefixes, there is a "700" prefix
out in the valley. Bizarre.
3) As has been discussed before on this list (or was it HUMAN-NETS way
back when), the "alternate" common carriers do not receive
answering supervision information on calls they originate, so they
have no way to really *know* when a call is answered. They usually
operate on a fixed time interval... any call lasting more than N
seconds begins to charge. I believe that most of them operate with
N in the range of 60 to 120 seconds or so.
--Lauren--
------------------------------
Date: 8 Sep 1982 2344-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Polarity guards on payphones
They aren't needed once MCCS is installed, because part of MCCS
includes the feature that makes sure polarity is only reversed when
needed to allow the totalizer to rehome as coins are dropped rather
than only after the initial deposit amount is in the totalizer.
If you can get to a phone somewhere with MCCS, you can see this in
action. Dial a few calls, and hold a button down. You'll notice when
polarity is reversed and when it isn't (ignore short interruptions of
less than a second, that's just the open switching interval).
------------
Without dial-tone first, you will often find that what it takes to get
the dial beeping again is stuffing coins (equal to the required
initial deposit) into the totalizer after you've gotten connected.
This is only true when then call has gone through a process where the
coins have been returned (such as an 800 or calling card call). These
coins will be returned at the end of the call.
With dial-tone first, you need MCCS to get the dial beeping if you've
been through TSPS.
------------------------------
Date: 5 Sep 82 11:45:03 EDT (Sun)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: Repair service
The other day, I tried to make a call, and -- suprise! -- I didn't get
any tones from the keypad. Being a loyal reader of this digest (and
having had the problem when they first made TouchTone available here),
I knew what the problem was. But, since it was a bit late to go
crawling under the house, I just called repair service (and refrained
from trying to explain to the clerk what was wrong -- though I did get
a little impatient when he was asking when I'd be home -- damnit, if
they can break it without coming out to the house, they can fix it
that way, too).
Anyway -- it was fixed promptly the next morning. The odd part,
though, was after a technician called me and verified the problem, she
went off the line for about 30 seconds, and fixed it -- hardly enough
time to swap a pair of wires. Then she asked me to test the fix by
dialing her at some 800 number. Why an 800 number? Can they reverse
polarity on some line by programming? I know that the exchange is
physically located here in Chapel Hill; it was just installed last
summer, amidst much publicity and hoopla.
--Steve
------------------------------
Date: 6 September 1982 01:05 edt
From: Frankston.SoftArts at MIT-MULTICS
Subject: Phones on a PBX
Reply-To: Frankston at MIT-MULTICS (Bob Frankston)
We have just moved from the 617-491 (Cambridge, MA) exchange to
617-237 (Wellesley MA). 617-237 was also just converted to ESS and is
not taking new change orders. Furthermore they are out of pairs on
the street and can't replace bad trunks. I am also using Chestel EPBX
inhouse.
My current arrangement is to use the PBX for the computer dialup lines
in order to gain flexibility in playing with hunt groups and the like.
I use DISA [Glossary at the end of this letter) for this.
The problem is that the line quality to the computer varies from
unusable to relatively clean. It seems to be correlate with some
trunks, but not perfectly. It also seems to correlate with the source
of the calls with Cambridge (ESS) being better quality than Newton MA
(adjacent).
It seems to be both a problem with lousy trunks coming in and
attenuation in the switch. I am also experimenting with DIL. I plan
to convert to DID as soon as the exchange is willing to service change
orders. I have had the interconnect people (IPC - Interconnect
Planning Corporation of New England) check out the trunks but they
have not found anything significant. The noise itself is bursty at
times. It is known, however, that the Telco trunks can be very very
poor since people have had problems with the voice lines.
I know that the "obvious" solution is to use direct telco
trunks, but this greatly reduces my flexibility and requires a
larger pool of apparently as yet unavailable wires from Telco.
Suggestions?
Glossary:
DISA - Direct Inward System Access
Allows you to dial a number, give a password and
act like a station.
DIL - Direct Inward Line
A trunk is immediately connected to a specified
station (which may hunt internally).
DID - Direct Inward Dialing
What used to be called Centrex service. This is
the preferred mode since the there is no direct
relationship between the physical and logical
trunks. It probably makes the task of tracing down
bad trunks to be even more of an adventure.
------------------------------
Date: 6 September 1982 01:05 edt
From: Frankston.SoftArts at MIT-MULTICS
Subject: Re: Vadic Audodial
Reply-To: Frankston at MIT-MULTICS (Bob Frankston)
Be warned that Vadic autodialler is a "blind" outpulser. In
particular, one cannot send DTMF signals for things like credit
card dialing or whatever.
------------------------------
Date: 8 Sep 1982 1016-EDT
From: Charles B. Weinstock <Weinstock at CMU-20C>
Subject: RSVP Service
In my current phone bill from Bell of Pennsylvania I received a flyer
describing a new service available for customers who have two or more
lines. They call it RSVP for Residence Service Variety Package. It
includes the following features; Call pickup, Call Transfer - Busy,
Call Transfer - Don't Answer, Call Waiting, Convenience Dialing (Speed
call for 5 numbers), Call Transfer, 3-Party Calling, and Intercom.
Of interest to people with computer lines is that call waiting and
call transfer - busy are mutually exclusive, so you can use the
package without having your modem disconnect at inconvenient times.
They get $7.50 per line for this service plus a $9.00 installation
charge per billing (i.e. if all phones are billed together then
$9.00).
------------------------------
Date: 8 Sep 82 15:08:33-EDT (Wed)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: NJ phone prefix lists
New Jersey Bell directories and at least 2 non-Bell firms serving
parts of NJ print lists of prefixes for the NJ areas (201, 609). The
NJ Bell lists will use only one place name for all those pre- fixes
that have the same calling area, even though different place names may
show up on phone bills. E.g.: the "Newark" pre- fixes include
Irvington (area 201); and, in 609, Pennsville (678) and Penns Grove
(299) are both listed as Penns Grove. (Can't determine how one name
was chosen over another.)
------------------------------
Date: 8 Sep 1982 2330-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
cc: figmo at KESTREL
Subject: Conversion to Touch-Tone
If you are served by either No. 1 or No. 2 ESS running any reasonably
recent version of the software (less than 3-4 years old) -- and almost
everyone is, they really do have to "re-program" your line. It
involves clearing a bit (in No. 1 ESS, No. 2 may be slightly
different) in the database in the machine associated with your line.
The C.O. will ignore Touch-Tone until this bit is cleared.
The $27.50 charge is the cost of having a service order clerk type in
a couple of lines on the service order terminal. In New Jersey it's
only $13.00 -- just had it done to my father's phone aftwer we bought
some Stromberg-Carlson sets (which, of course, didn't work until they
typed in the message).
------------------------------
Date: 9 Sep 1982 0956-PDT
From: Lynn Gold <FIGMO at KESTREL>
Subject: Conversion to Touch-Tone
Address: Kestrel Institute, 1801 Page Mill Rd., Palo Alto, CA 94304
Phone: (415) 494-2233
However, if the line DOES work with Touch-Tone (as many DO), they
STILL charge you the fee!
--Lynn
------------------------------
Date: 9 Sep 1982 0006-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Bryant Pond really is the last
Although there are a few so-called "toll stations" here and there
where you pick up a phone and get an operator for all calls (and some
of these even have cranks, although it is not clear you really have to
turn it to get the operator's attention) Bryant Pond was the last
place where there was a real community with normal subscriber service
provided by a manual, community switchboard.
The really unique thing about Bryant Pond was that it really was a
magneto system (not even like PBXs in some hotels where there aren't
dials). When you pick up your phone, nothing happens. You have to
turn the crank in order to send ringing voltage down the line, which
causes a little metal indicator to drop down and remain down until the
operator pushes it back up. (This, by the way, is why your telephone
line is called a "drop." Not because the wire drops down the pole
into your house, but because the line is connected to a "drop" back at
the switchboard.) Likewise, the cord pairs don't have an automatic
indication when you hang up. You have to "ring off" before hanging up
to cause the drop on the cord pair on the board to drop, so the
operator knows to pull down the connection. It has the side effect of
letting people on the party line know that the line is available, but
that isn't the main purpose. In Bryant Pond, there are also private
lines, and you have to ring-off on them, as well.
Some readers may have seen the former owner, Elden Hathaway, on Johnny
Carson Tuesday night, or may have read the recent TIME article. It is
unlikely that the system will be saved; the majority of the people in
the town apparently want progress.
I'm thinking about going up there again this Friday; I didn't have my
camera the last time I was there, although I'm not sure the new owners
will let anyone take pictures. When I was there four years ago, Elden
showed me all around the system, gave me toll tickets, let me MF a
call on his toll trunks (which I filled out a toll ticket for, billing
the MF call to my credit card). He used to give out pencils inscribed
"All calls are crank at Bryant Pond Telephone Company." The new
owners are not happy about the publicity; I know they won't let the
press near the place.
------------------------------
Date: 9 Sep 1982 0023-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Carter Lake
You're right, Carter Lake always was part of Iowa; my National
Geographic Atlas was wrong. The river was channelized, putting it on
the Nebraska side of the Missouri river. I don't have an explanation
for the double area-coding, but the state is right, so for rate
purposes the area code shouldn't matter. Maybe the double area-coding
is just to help callers get through who get confused by funny maps.
------------------------------
Date: 9 Sep 1982 0041-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
cc: awalker at RUTGERS
Subject: So you think Morristown has it bad
I haven't seen MCCS anywhere in California yet (Lauren, have you found
it somewhere?). In fact, I was in Carmel yesterday, and they are
still served by a CORD BOARD -- almost unheard of in Bell areas. The
local C.O. is all set up to take the extra digits -- then it dumps you
to a recording. Since "0" normally goes directly to the Cord Board
with no timeout when there is no TSPS, this could mean that TSPS is
coming VERY soon, or it could mean that Pa Bell is showing standard
klutziness.
In order to do the polarity switching required to run MCCS seems to
require installation of a new trunk circuit pack in No. 5 Bars. They
may not be in any hurry to put those in, especially if the office is
scheduled for a cutover to ESS.
------------------------------
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12-Sep-82 13:03:31-PDT,9525;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 12-Sep-82 13:03:21
Date: 12 Sep 1982 1303-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #116
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
Reply-To: TELECOM at USC-ECLB
TELECOM AM Digest Monday, 13 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 116
Today's Topics:
V & H Coordinate Database Not Up To Date
Desirable Features For Residence Line - Camp On Hold & Busy Override
Supervisory Information Not Provided To Subscribers
French Directory Assistance Article In TIME
Bogus Installation Charges - Step Pulse Converters
MCCS In California - GTE EAX 3-Way Calling Tarriff?
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Date: 10 Sep 82 8:09:09-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL, rsx-dev at Dec-Marlboro
Subject: deleted prefixes?
1981 Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton (Pa.) call-guide and a 1976 prefix
list for 201 area in NJ clearly list 201-993 Warren Glen, NJ.
However, it's missing from V&H tape, and when I look thru the Pa.
directory mentioned above, I find an entry for "Milford- Warren Glen"
and the only prefix I find there is 201-995 Milford.
202-381, which I located on an old phone bill of mine, no longer
exists (Washington, DC). 202-359 in Va. suburbs showed up in Jan.
1981 Northern Va. directory, but it does not exist.
------------------------------
Date: 10 Sep 1982 0840-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Re: deleted prefixes?
Are you really surprised by the inability of the phone company to
supply correct information? Over a year after the country code for
Taiwan was changed from 86 to 886 (86 belongs to the People's Republic
of China -- I wonder if CCITT even recognizes 886 as a "standard"
code), many newly published phone books and an ONLINE "HELP" service
(with CRTs) over payphones in the Atlanta airport (near the
international departure area) still show it as 86.
The problem is simply that old information keeps getting published.
In a big company, it's difficult to get changes to every person
responsible for a page of a directory.
------------------------------
Date: 10 Sep 1982 0829-PDT
Sender: WMARTIN at OFFICE-8
Subject: Desirable phone feature
From: WMartin at Office-8 (Will Martin)
For years, I have wanted to have a couple features associated with my
own phone related to busy situations, which would be independent of
any services the other phone in the circuit might have. I fear,
though, that they are impossible to implement in the telco world as it
is designed today. Let me describe what I want; if anybody knows a
way the desired result can be achieved, or the actual reasons why it
is technically impossible, info would be appreciated.
1. Break-in on busy on my own phone. When I call home, and my wife is
on the line (or vice versa), I want to be able to enter a code number
while the busy signal is sounding (I'll accept having to enter this
from a Touch-tone phone only) which will cause my call to be connected
to the call in progress in a three-way connection. After I talk, and
I hang up, the previous call continues uninterrupted. If one of the
other parties hangs up, and I don't, I am still connected to the
remaining party.
Note that I DON'T want "Call Waiting"; I don't care about calls from
anybody else, only calls from myself (or anyone I give the code number
to) would have any effect on the call in progress. Essentially, I
resent being "busied-out" from the phone I am paying for, and I want
the capability to override anybody using it.
2. Camp-on on busy on any phone number I call. When I call a number
that is busy, I don't want to hangup and redial, even if I had an
electronic phone with last-number-redial. I want to just hold on and
have the system continully poll that called line until it is no longer
busy and then ring it for me. I would hear the busy signal and then a
ring at my end. If I hang up, it stops trying; if I continue
off-hook, it will keep trying forever.
Both these features make life easier for me; since I'm paying for the
phone, I feel entitled. Most of the services now sold seem to be
oriented toward helping other people call me, which I don't
particularily want. (Sometimes I feel I want a dial-out-only
phone...)
I can see that these require "busy" be treated differently than it is
now; now, I believe that your call to a busy line gets routed to a
local source of busy signals, and your connection is only that far,
after the circuits detect that the destination is in use. This would
require a complete and open connection to the local office of the
called number.
Comments?
Will Martin
------------------------------
From: jheinrich at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #115
cc: jheinrich.pa at PARC-MAXC
What is the exact answering supervision information which Ma Bell does
not supply to the "alternate" common carriers such as SPRINT? Why do
they have to go through the ruse of a timeout routine when deciding
the phone has been answered? Obviously this is information they do
not make available to their users--until the user has been burnt.
Joe
JHeinrich at PARC-MAXC
------------------------------
Date: 10 Sep 1982 1213-MDT
From: Walt <Haas at UTAH-20>
Subject: French information terminals
The French experiment with home terminals for information is described
in detail on page 65 of the 13 September issue of TIME magazine.
Apparently they have an algorithm for identifying homynyms of subscriber
names, so you don't have to spell the name exactly right.
------------------------------
Date: 6 Sep 82 14:55:25-PST (Mon)
From: Stephen Willson <willson.uci@Udel-Relay>
Subject: bogus installation costs
Re: Cost of switching to touch-tone service.
Here in Costa Mesa, California, and the nearby cities (Irvine, Newport
Beach, Tustin, ...) they have the following deal: If you don't get any
fancy ESS services (call forwarding, speed calling, call waiting) then
you get bogus touch tone service where everytime you hit a key on the
touch-tone pad it dials (click click click click) the digit you just
pressed. I didn't know about this when I first got my phone service
put in, and I didn't want any special services, so I got the bogus
touch-tone service.
After suffering with this for a while, I decided I wanted the real
thing, so I called the business office to complain. They told me that
I could get the real thing, but that there was a charge of about
$50.00 to have them switch me, plus I had to get a new phone number.
Fortunately, the nice woman at the business office told me that if I
wanted 8 number speed calling, it would cost me about $15.00 (or so, I
forget) to get that service, but, since I didn't have ESS they would
get me a new ESS phone number anyway! So I got speed dialing (at
about $2.00 extra/month) and ESS service.
I haven't tried undoing the speed calling service yet... I don't want
another phone number!
Steve Willson
U.C. Irvine
------------------------------
Date: 11 Sep 1982 00:57:42-PDT
From: Cory.bloom@Berkeley
Subject: MCCS in California
I have found MCCS in Coalinga, CA. Coalinga is a small town on I5
about 150-200 miles north of Los Angeles. It probably has been
installed other places, but I haven't tried using a credit card very
much. Does anyone know of any other areas in California with MCCS?
Jim Bloom
Cory.bloom@BERKELEY
------------------------------
Date: Thu Sep 9 1982 19:07:52 PDT
From: lauren (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: MCCS and other goodies
Reply-To: vortex!lauren@lbl-unix
Naw! No MCCS around here! Seriously, I have found no areas in
Southern California where MCCS is operational. This follows the
typical pattern, however. California (or rather, PacTel) can
generally be depended upon to be among the last to install "radically"
new features on any sort of widespread basis. Part of this is a
result of Pacific's financial situation (but, hey, I'm a subscriber
too, and I want to keep my phone bills from going sky high), and part
is from other causes.
Actually, it's sort of amusing. Los Angeles was about the last major
metro area to get Automatic Intercept (it went into widespread use
here only comparatively recently), and most of the #5 X-bar offices
still have no IDDD access. This is very unfortunate, since most of
the operating #5's in L.A. will not be converted to ESS until late in
the decade (if then) and PacTel has little interest in making IDDD
work before then. I suspect that they will finally get around to it
within the next couple of years, but these days they've been spending
most of their time on other matters. For example, there are still a
considerable number of step offices around here in PacTel -- they are
working to have these all converted to ESS within the next year or
two. (On the other hand, my crufty old General Telephone FX step
lines have had IDDD access for some time -- one of the few situations
where a step line has more features than crossbar!)
By the way, does anyone know why General Telephone of California has
no tariff for EAX 3-way calling for residences?
--Lauren--
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13-Sep-82 17:53:09-PDT,14024;000000000000
Mail-From: JSOL created at 13-Sep-82 17:52:40
Date: 13 Sep 1982 1752-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #117
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
Reply-To: TELECOM at USC-ECLB
TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 14 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 117
Today's Topics: No 5 XBar And IDDD
Desirable New Features
New Features - "Camp On" & "Barge In"
What Telco Doesn't Provide To Customers - Answer Supervision
EAX Add-On - 3-Way Calling
Humor By Dave Barry
Phone Number Changes
Cheap Thrills On The International Front
Cordless Telephone Query
International Dialing Information
Heading Correction
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 1982 0101-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
cc: lauren at UCLA-SECURITY
Subject: No 5 XBar and IDDD
Very, very few No 5 XBars anywhere in the country have IDDD. I know
of some in Canada (e.g. 613-592), and I know that there are some in
the U.S., but I don't know exactly where any one of them is. I've
been told that Princeton may be getting it, but I don't know any
details.
From 613-592, the "#" at the end to cancel timing does not work;
dialing it causes the call to go to reorder; you have to wait.
I've also been told that in some of the early implementations in
No 5 XBar, the registers were not built out to full length, so only
11 digit (count starts at first digit of World Numbering Area)
numbers could be dialed. I've just attempted to dial a twelve
digit number from 613-592 and it did go through (I had some trouble
at first, and it took several attempts).
------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 1982 15:48 PDT
From: Lynn.ES at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Re: Desirable phone feature
cc: Lynn.es at PARC-MAXC
On my office phone (Pacific Tel, Los Angeles area) I have "Trunk
queueing" feature, which allows you to keep trying after getting a
busy. If you hang up immediately on busy, then when the line becomes
unbusy, your telephone calls back you and the party you were trying to
reach (in that order). If you wait till the tone changes on the
original busy, then hanging up really hangs up. This seems to be
WMARTIN's second desired feature.
There is also a code to dial to cancel waiting for the call to go
through. This is particularly handy since many people were
accidentally hanging up too soon when this feature first was working.
Trunk queueing originally was to work on both in-building calls (for
which I dial 3 and the last 4 digits) and outside calls (9 and 7
digits). Last I heard, they disabled the feature on either inside or
outside calls (I forget which) because it didn't work right.
Before trunk queueing was available, we had "automatic call back"
feature. It was the same thing, but you had to dial (ok, punch, since
there is no * on a real dial) *5 plus the number, and it only worked
on inside calls. Note that "trunk queueing" is an automatic version
of "automatic call back", which wasn't quite automatic.
Incidentally, busy is treated differently than plain busy in one other
situation I can think of. If you have "call forwarding on don't
answer" (by 3 rings), but the place it then tries to forward to is
busy, then it keeps ringing the first line beyond 3 rings instead of
giving the caller a busy.
As long as we are complaining about phone features, this is my pet
peeve. They bundled "call forwarding on don't answer" with "call
forwarding on busy". If I don't answer, I would like the call to go
to the lab where I spend much time, but if it's busy, I would like the
call to go to the other phone I can see from my desk. But I can't
activate one feature without activating both to the same phone.
/Don Lynn
[I want one to know based on what time it is whether or not to do call
forwarding from work to home or vice versa. --JSol]
------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 1982 0109-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: New features
The feature which Will described as "camp-on" is actually planned to
become a part of the network, once the "stored-program-control"
network is actually in place.
It is already available in PBXs and CENTREXs (since it's simpler when
only one machine is involved). It's called "Automatic Callback
Calling." You activate it by dialing a special code and the the
desired number (yes, it makes you hang up and then say you want the
feature, and tell it the number again). If the number isn't busy, the
call just goes through. Otherwise, you get "confirmation tone" and
then you hang up. When both phones are free (you can make other calls
in the meantime), it first rings the calling phone back with
"priority" ring (three quick rings per cycle), and then, when you pick
up your phone, it starts the called phone to ring.
The other feature, selective call barge-in, is technically possible in
the S-P network, but I have not heard of any implementation plans.
This is not to say they don't exist. (It seems likely that here, too,
you would have to hang up and start over again.)
------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 1982 0115-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: jheinrich at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Answer Supervision
The information Ma Bell does not provide to the SCCs is any indication
of whether or when the called party answers the telephone.
Under the recent split-up agreement, the SCCs must be given exactly
the same access to the network as AT&T gets. This includes answer
supervision and calling number identification, as well as other
simplifications in access (the technical details of which have not yet
been completely worked out).
------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 1982 0118-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: lauren at UCLA-SECURITY
Subject: EAX add-on
Does GTEL have the other EAX features tarriffed?
I once knew someone in St. Petersburg, Florida, who had Add-on, Call
Waiting, and Call Forwarding. I think it was an early trial; I no
longer have contact with this person. Does anyone else have any more
recent experience with EAX features actually operating anywhere?
------------------------------
Date: 13 September 1982 05:02-EDT
From: Eliot R. Moore <ELMO at MIT-MC>
Subject: EAX 3-Way
To: vortex!lauren at LBL-UNIX
cc: TELECOM at MIT-MC, ELMO at MIT-MC
The last time we inquired, we were told that the marketing department
had not found a significant market for the feature, and therefore it
was not being offered. GTE also said they were in the process of
taking yet another survey to determine whether or not they should
offer the service, but declined us the opportunity to comment on the
survey.
Elmo
------------------------------
Date: Today
From: Many sources in the DEC Engineering network
Subject: Read on...
17 jul 82
What I Like About The Telephone
By Dave Barry
What I like best about the telephone is that it keeps you in
touch with people, particularly people who want to sell you
magazine subscriptions in the middle of the night. These
people have been abducted by large publishing companies and
placed in barbed-wire enclosures surrounded by armed men with
attack dogs.
Caller: Hello, Mr. Barry?
Me: No this is Adolf Hitler.
Caller: Of course. My mistake. The reason I'm calling you at 11:30
at night, Mr. Hitler, is that I'm conducting a marketing
survey, and...
Me: Are you selling magazine subscriptions?
Caller: Magazine subscriptions? Me? Selling them? Ha Ha. No.
Certainly not. Not at all. No, this is just a plain old
marketing survey. (Sound of dogs barking.)
Me: Well, what do you want to know?
Caller: Well, I just want to ask you some questions about you
household, such as how many people live there, and what
their ages are and whether any of them might be interested
in subscribing to Redbook?
Me: I don't want to subscribe to anything, you lying piece of
slime.
Caller: How about Time? Sports Illustrated? American Beet Farmer?
Me: I'm going to hang up.
Caller: No! (The dogs get louder) Please! You can have my daughter!
Me: (Click.)
The first telephone systems were primitive "party lines" where
everybody could hear what everybody else was talking about.
This was very confusing:
Bertha: Emma? I'm calling to tell you I seen you boy Norbert shootin'
his musket at our goat again, and if you don't...
Clem: This ain't Emma. This is Clem Johnson, and I got to reach
Doc Henderson, because my wife Nell is all rigid and foaming
at the mouth, and if she don't snap out of it soon the roast
is going to burn.
Emma: Norbert don't even own a musket. All he got is a bow and
arrow, and he couldn't hit a steam locomotive from six feet,
what with his bad hand, which he got when your boy Percy bit
it, and which is festerin' pretty bad.
Doc Henderson: You better let me take a look at it.
Bertha: The goat? Oh, he ain't hurt that bad, Doc. He's skittery
on account of the musket fire.
Clem: Now she's startin' to roll her eyes around. Looks like two
hard-boiled eggs.
Caller: Hi I'm conducting a marketing survey is Mr. Hitler at home?
Clem: No, but I'll take a year's worth of American Beet Farmer.
The party line system led to a lot of unnecessary confusion
and death, so the phone company devised a system whereby you
can talk to only one person at a time, although not
necessarily the person you want. In fact, if you call any
large company, you will Never get to talk to the person
you're calling. Large companies employ people who are paid,
on a commission basis, solely to put calls on hold. These
people are trained by the airline reservations clerks. The
only exception is department stores, where all calls are
immediately routed to whichever clerk has the most people
waiting.
But we should never complain about our telephone system. It
is the most sophisticated system in the world, yet it is the
easiest to use. Fore example, my 20-month-old son, who
cannot perform a simple act like eating a banana without
getting most of it in his hair, is perfectly capable of
direct-dialing Okinawa, and probably has. In another year,
he'll be able to order magazine subscriptions.
------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 1982 1340-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: willson.uci at UDEL-RELAY
Subject: Phone number changes
It seems unlikely that they would go to the work of moving you back
into the other machine if you cancel your speed calling, especially
since they would have moved you if you had paid the exorbitant number
change fee. (In another 17 months you will have paid the $50
anyway...)
It's too late now (and maybe for the best) -- if you had decided that
the ESS feature you wanted was three-way calling, you might have
gotten hooked. I really feel restricted when I'm using a phone that
doesn't have three-way. And pretty soon I'll have the six-port on one
of my lines.
------------------------------
Date: 13-Sep-82 12:49PM-EDT (Mon)
From: John R. Levine <Levine at YALE>
Subject: Cheap thrills on the international front
I just discovered, while trying to call a friend in Tasmania, that if
you go through Bell's new International Information Service
(800-874-4000) you can get international directory assistance for free
without having to place a call. If you go through the regular
operator, you still have to make a call if you get a number.
Just what you need - fill in those blank lines in your address book
for friends that live so far away that you won't call them anyway.
I was surprised to note that the operator here at the 800 number took
my request, typed it into something (I could hear the typing) and then
just repeated it to the foreign operator she had gotten in the
meantime. Perhaps they plan to do some nefarious thing to the people
who get numbers that way.
------------------------------
From: uucp at NPRDC
From sdcatta:wa143 Mon Sep 13 16:43:36 1982 remote from sdcsvax
International information, access numbers, country, city and local
numbers can all be obtained from AT&T Long lines directly at 800
874-4000. This is their overseas center specifically set up to aid
international callers.
Bret Marquis
ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdchema!bam
sdcsvax!sdchema!bam@NPRDC (not uucp@NPRDC)
------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 82 14:36:37-EDT (Mon)
From: Randall Gellens <gellens.CC@UDel-Relay>
Subject: Cordless Telephone Query
Via: UDel-CC; 13 Sep 82 14:45-EDT
Can someone give some info on the various "cordless telephones" that
are around? Is there one that is significantly better or worse, and
what are the prices and warrenties like? What should a potential user
look out for?
------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 1982 0103-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Heading correction
The V&H tape was up-to-date; it was the directory that wasn't. I have
found that the "IDDD originate capability" flag is often wrong; not
only on the V&H tape, but actually in the database the operators have.
------------------------------
Date: 13 Sep 82 7:43:33-EDT (Mon)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore.BRL-VLD@BRL>
cc: cmoore.Brl-Vld at BRL
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #116
My last previous message to Telecom was not meant to say "V&H coordinate
database not up to date". I was commenting on info from other sources
within phone company.
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 15-Sep-82 18:32:55
Date: 15 Sep 1982 1832-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #119
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
Reply-To: TELECOM at USC-ECLB
TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 16 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 119
Today's Topics: PacTel To Sell Station Equipment
Another Magneto System
Choice Of Area Codes
International Information
Autodialers And Centrex Systems
Are Logan Airport Payphones Timing Local Calls?
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Date: 13 Sep 1982 1948-PDT
From: ROODE at SRI-NIC (David Roode)
Subject: PacTel to sell station equipment
Location: EJ296 Phone: (415) 859-2774
It looks like PacTel is going ahead with the PUC mandated offer to
sell in place subscriber single-line station equipment. I saw an ad
in the local paper. This is interesting, because it was originally
motivated by PUC feeling that the subscriber might get overcharged
once the equipment was owned by a different entity than provides the
local phone service. I still wonder how they are going to resolve the
inconsistency of having the "separate" vendor of rental phone
equipment located in the offices at which people are commanded to
appear in person if they wish to order phone service.
------------------------------
Date: 14 Sep 1982 0026-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Another magneto system
Although Bryant Pond is the last Magneto Switchboard serving a real
town (with lots of drops & stuff), I've just found another magneto
subscriber system.
In Shoup, Idaho, I just talked to the owner of the Shoup Country Store,
at 24F3, which you reach from the Salmon, Idaho operator. What they
have is a one-wire, ground-return, magneto system with 18 telephones.
It is a cooperative, completely self maintained (no paid employees).
They ring each other with a series of long and short rings. The phone
number begins with "24F" which is an old Forest Service designation
for the wire (there used to be others) and is followed by the ringing
combination, long, then short, then long, etc. So 24F111 is a long,
a short, and a long. 24F0121 is a short, two longs, and a short.
Unlike Toll Stations (which I mentioned earlier) these guys are a
subscriber system and can call each other as a local call. But unlike
Bryant Pond, they don't have their own switchboard; they terminate
(similar to a toll station) on the Salmon Inward board.
Toll stations differ in that all calls placed from them are toll
calls. An example of a Toll Station is the phone at the Patrick
Creek Lodge out northeast from Crescent City, California. Their
toll station is identified as "IDLEWILD 5" -- it has its own entry
in the rate and route database.
------------------------------
Date: 14 Sep 82 15:22:01-EDT (Tue)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: choice of area codes
I have previously written of the last 2 new area codes (before 619
this Nov. in Calif.): 904 in Fla. in '65, and 804 in Va. in '73. Any
ideas on the choice of codes and of which areas within those states
got them? (904 and 804 include both state capitals.)
714 area & new 619 area will NOT have N0X and N1X, but how will local
calls across the boundary between those areas be dialed? Also, I take
it there will be a message notifying long-distance callers of the new
619 area; what of long-distance callers from 619 to trimmed-down 714?
------------------------------
Date: 14 Sep 1982 at 1637-PDT
cc: Worthington at SRI-TSC
Subject: Breaking in on ongoing calls
From: worthington at SRI-TSC
When I worked on an Automatic Electric step system for a large company
overseas years ago I noticed a bank of connectors that had a few extra
relays in them to implement what the prints called "executive break
in". Special executive phones suposedly had a button that would
ground one side of their line, which in a step system comes at that
point from the connector. This would trip the relays and the busy
signal would be replaced by the call in progress. The possibility of
being broken in on was thus tied to the phone number, though anyone
who knew how to ground the line could emulate an
"executive" phone... Dave
------------------------------
Date: 14 Sep 1982 2015-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: International Information
Whenever I want an overseas number I just tell the operator I'm going
to direct dial the call later.
800 874-8000 is usually a bit faster than the local operator, because
what answers you is an ISPS (International Services Position System)
board (the same type that is used to actually place overseas calls).
These fancy boards have CRTs, so the operator types in the name of the
country in order to place calls. International marketing in New
Jersey hasn't really decided what all they want the operators to do
when answering the 800 number. Officially they are not supposed to
get local numbers for you, but they do seem quite willing to do so.
------------------------------
Date: 15 Sep 1982 0102-EDT
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: International directory
I just called the local operator, and asked if they had received word
of the 800 number for international DA. They hadn't heard a thing
about it.
Fascinating!!
The typing that was heard by <I forget who> was probably the oper in
this country keying the sequence to get to the foreign DA. That
system really makes sense; back when I was on TSPS those used to be
the real pain-in-the-rear calls, cause the overseas DA was so flakey
and rarely deigned to answer their phones. Therefore to make any
headway at all required staying on the call for about 5 minutes [which
screwed up your calls-per-hour figure something fierce].
Hooray for sensible ideas. Now all they need is a complaints
department staffed by technical wizards and customer relations people,
so we don't have to go through all this hackery to find out what we
want.
_H*
------------------------------
Date: 15 Sep 82 18:47:26 EDT (Wed)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: autodialers and Centrex systems
Cc: Jim Ellis (MCNC) <jte.unc@UDel-Relay>
We've been trying to get a UDS autodialer to reach a machine on the
Dimension PBX at Bell Labs - Holmdel. It never seems to recognize the
secondary dial-tone from the PBX; in fact, sometimes it seems to think
the ringing signal is the dial tone. At best, the signal seems weak.
On the other hand, we have no trouble getting through the Dimension at
Murray Hill. Any suggestions about what might be going on? Might we
need a programmable jack on our end? (It's on a GTE Centrex system,
at Research Triangle Institute.) Could we get away with a fixed-time
delay instead? In tests just now, it seemed to take about 10 seconds
after end-of-number to get an answer from the PBX; is that time likely
to be fairly constant? (Incidentally, does one get billed for calling
the PBX, or does billing not start until after the extension answers?)
--Steve
------------------------------
Date: 15 Sep 82 20:41:58-EDT (Wed)
From: J C Pistritto <jcp@BRL>
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #115
Last time I was at Logan airport using a pay phone, (about two weeks
ago), a strange thing happened. I made a local call to Cambridge, (a
friend of mine at MIT), and after a couple of minutes, the line
disconnected for ~5 seconds, beeped, and then reconnected. About 20
seconds later, the line disconnected TOTALLY and didn't come back.
The phone was a pay phone on the 617-659 exchange. No one at the
airport, even the employees, knew anything or had heard anything about
timed pay calls. I was going to call an operator and ask, but I was
in a hurry at the time. What gives? By the way, there was NOTHING on
the phone instructions about timing.
-JCP-
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 21-Sep-82 13:40:28
Date: 21 Sep 1982 1340-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #120
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
Reply-To: TELECOM at USC-ECLB
TELECOM AM Digest Wednesday, 22 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 120
Today's Topics: Adminis-Trivia
Timed Pay Phone Calls In Mass
Area Code Split & PBX Call Charging
202 Area & "DC Metro"
DIMENSION (r) : Camp-on And Executive Break-in
1200 Baud Triple Modem With Tone Auto-Dialer
The TPC Toll Network - How Does It Work?
TPC Selling Phones
Cordless Phones - No Privacy
Delaware River V & H Trivia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 22 Sep 1982 1333-PDT
From: The Moderator <JSol at USC-ECLC>
Subject: Adminis-Trivia
Two minor points:
1- There hasn't been a digest since last Thursday, it was issue #119.
2- Due to a system crash while I was in the middle of processing issue
#118, I neglected to send the digest out. Instead, the material for
#118 was combined with issue #119 and was sent out last Thursday.
Sorry for the confusion.
I may be a bit slow with the digests for a while. I'm currently
apartment hunting and don't have a home terminal anymore (sigh).
------------------------------
Date: 15 Sep 1982 2246-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: jcp at BRL
Subject: Timed Pay phone calls in Mass
Yep, that's the way it's supposed to work, and it's been that way for
many years (I've had it happen at least six years ago from the air-
port.
The charge is 10 cents for the first five minutes, then 5 cents for
each additional three.
[Thanks also to Jeff Del Papa <DP at MIT-ML> for also pointing this
out. --JSol]
------------------------------
Date: Thu Sep 16 1982 03:54:09 PDT
From: lauren (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: area code split & PBX call charging
Reply-To: vortex!lauren@lbl-unix
To: lbl-unix!TELECOM at ECLB
Greetings. The 619/714 split takes place on November 6. For three
months starting at that date, the codes will be partially
interchangeable. DDD callers who dial 714+ for locations in the new
619 area will still have their calls completed. After this period,
recordings will announce misdialed area codes (where unique prefixes
make this determination possible) for an unspecified time into the
future.
---
Call charging on inward calls into PBX's depends on the type of
termination. Where DID (Direct Inward Dialing) is being used,
charging does not take place until the call is answered by its final
"destination". The PBX has complete control over tones, recordings,
and call answering supervision. On the other hand, if you're
receiving a second dialtone from the Dimension, you are accessing the
PBX via a "remote access" line. (The Dimension generally requires a
four digit "security" code before you can actually use the remote
access line to complete a call). In this case, the call is completed
(and charging begins) as soon as you hear the second dialtone.
--Lauren--
------------------------------
Date: 16 Sep 1982 09:24 PDT
From: Lynn.ES at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Re: new 619 area
cc: Lynn.es at PARC-MAXC
I assume that local calling across 619 to 714 boundary will be the
same as local calling across the 714 to 213 boundary. You just dial
the 10 digits, and it never shows on the phone bill. That's how it
worked when I used to call Long Beach (213) from Huntington Beach
(714).
Incidentally, it wasn't (and probably still isn't) the same going the
other direction. A 1 was required in 213 for out-of-213-area calls
regardless of whether long distance, while a 1 in 714 is required on
non-local calls regardless of area code.
/Don Lynn
------------------------------
Date: 16 Sep 82 13:49:08-EDT (Thu)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: 202 area & "DC metro"
The "DC metro calling area" (where all phones are local to one
another?) seems to include some Md. (301 area) prefixes which can't be
reached via areacode 202. These include 621 & 953 Laurel and 261
Annapolis (and a few others), which are pseudo- foreign exchanges.
However, their counterparts in Va. can be reached via 202; e.g., I
think that 471 & 620, which show up as Vienna on V&H tape in 202 area,
are actually at Herndon, with Vienna service.
------------------------------
Date: 16 Sep 82 23:52:38-EDT (Thu)
From: Randall Gellens <gellens.CC@UDel-Relay>
Subject: Camp-on and Executive Break-in
Via: UDel-CC; 17 Sep 82 0:07-EDT
A place I was with in the Washington, DC area (Crystal City a/k/a
Arlington) had just recently installed a Dimension (r) system from C&P
of Va. It did not offer direct-inward dialing (all calls had to go
thru the switchboard) but it did offer all sorts of local (in-house
only) goodies, most of which I considered more bother than use. For
example, it had a sort of "camp-on" called auto-call back, where (as
has been described) first the caller and then the callee are called
when both are free. It also had "executive break-in" which allowed a
phone with the feature to blast through to a busy line. If you were
on the phone and someone blasts in on you, you hear a "priority ring"
signal -- I think it was three fast rings. It offered either call-
forwarding:all or call forwarding:by/da -- you could not get da
without by. It also had "message waiting" whereby pushing a button on
one phone caused a pre-designated other phone to ring and light the
"msg wait" button.
The system was user-programable in the sense that the office manager
was the phone czar -- she could enable or disable any feature for any
phone. She decided which phones would have which extensions, and who
would get executive b/i, and so on...the speed calling was organized
into "global" and "group" with a few "global" codes working from all
phones s/c enabled, and the rest in small groups sharing common codes.
The programming was nasty, though...lots of long sequences of
gibberish keyed in on a portable "control console" that had a small
dot-matrix led display, with frequent unintellegible error codes. The
worst feature was the list they printed out of every call sequence
made or attempted from any phone...it had the time, and sequence of
buttons pushed, and a supervision code indicating call completion
(by,da,&c), duration, and other stuff (such as o+ or 1+, toll-free,
etc). I hated it! I used to make most of my calls from one of the
numerous pay phones located throughout the lobbies of the office
complex (hmm, maybe there were so many phones, and so much use of the
pay phones, because others were also paranoid?)
------------------------------
Date: 17 Sep 1982 12:19:34 EDT (Friday)
From: Steve Dyer <sdyer at BBN-UNIX>
Subject: 1200 baud triple modem with tone auto-dialer
To: info-micro@brl
Does anyone know of a triple (103/212/VA3400) modem which also
supports an touch-tone autodialer? Racal-Vadic seems to have autodial
triple modems with pulse dialing only. I want to use this with
MCI/Sprint services, so I need the tone dialing.
On the other hand, maybe some of you can convince me that 212 1200
baud isn't so bad after all. I have always heard that the VA3400
system is more robust and less error prone over the dial-up network.
Is this anything I should care about?
(People on the TELECOM mailing list should respond by mail; I'm not on
that mailing list.)
Thanks,
Steve Dyer
sdyer@bbn-unix
decvax!wivax!dyer
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Date: 17 Sep 1982 2254-PDT
Sender: GEOFF at SRI-CSL
Subject: The TPC Toll Network -- How does it work?
From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
Reply-To: Geoff at SRI-CSL
I've always been curious as to how the TPC Toll Network works... I.e.
when i am out of town and make a credit card call or a third party
bill to call, how do those charges end up on the bill? What gets the
information to my rate center for inclusion on my bill?
More specifically, I'm really interested in how calls I place on my
mobile telephone on a roaming basis get back to my rate center for
inclusion on my mobile bill. Most of the calls are placed by mobile
operators and hence the billing information is recorded on slips of
paper. Any idea how these slips of paper get sorted and routed and
how often to my home area's rate center? What about area's where they
offer IMTS (Direct-dial) service, and my billing information goes on
the billing tape with all the local subscribers calls. How do they
get pulled off and sent out? Does it work the same for AT&T BOC's as
it does for Independents? I would think that the AT&T BOC's to
Independent mobile toll traffic gatewaying must add extra complication
into the scheme!?
------------------------------
Date: 18 September 1982 07:51-EDT
From: "Marvin A. Sirbu, Jr." <SIRBU at MIT-MC>
Two miscellaneous points
1. Pay phone calls in Boston are indeed timed. 5 cents for an
additional 3 minutes please.
2. The Computer Inquiry II decision says AT&T can only sell NEW
phones through a separate subsidiary. How to handle the phones
already in place is still being debated at FCC. The PacTel decision
only refers to the telephones in place. If you choose to buy them,
you'll be billed, but you won't be able to get new equipment from
PacTel till after the divestiture.
After the divestiture, the Bell Operating Companies will, as a result
of modifications insisted on by Judge Greene, be able to sell
telephones directly to customers. The separate subsidiary requirement
of the Computer Inquiry will apply to the remaining AT&T. One might
ask whether Computer Inquiry II needs to be re-examined in light of
the divestiture.
Marvin Sirbu
------------------------------
Date: Wed Sep 15 19:29:20 1982
From: UCBVAX.decvax!utzoo!henry@Berkeley
Subject: cordless telephones
I have no specific experience with any of the cordless telephones, but
note one, uh, feature that is common to all of them: since there is a
radio link as part of the connection, your calls are potentially much
less private than they are with wires.
------------------------------
Date: 21 Sep 82 9:02:54-EDT (Tue)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: both sides of Delaware River
The following uses of place names on both sides of state line along
the Delaware River are known to me. Name of state where the town
is actually located is in parentheses.
Belvidere (NJ): 201-475, 215-498
Stroudsburg (Pa.): 717-223,421,424,476,629; 201-841
Bushkill (Pa.): 717-588, 201-581, but my V&H tape (more recent
than the listing which produced the Bushkill prefix in 201 area)
shows 201-581 at Whippany, NJ
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Date: 22 Sep 1982 1604-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #121
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 22-Sep-82 16:06:06
Date: 22 Sep 1982 1606-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #121
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 23 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 121
Today's Topics:
1200 Baud Triple Modem With Tone Auto-Dialer
MASS.: Time Limits On Payphone Calls
DC Metro, Prefixes Dialable But Not In Area Code 202
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Date: 22 September 1982 02:06-EDT
From: Eliot R. Moore <ELMO at MIT-MC>
Subject: 1200 baud triple modem with tone auto-dialer
To: sdyer at BBN-UNIX
Catch-22! If you're using Sprint/MCI/ITT, 212 protocol may be awful.
It depends purely on luck. ITT gave me great 212 connnections from
Los Angeles to Boston, but Sprint was impossible to use from Los
Angeles to San Diego (150 miles). Comparitively, from LA => San
Diego, Vadic protocol generated 2 errors/minute, while 212 did about
100. I think you're looking at a vadic triple and dialing it yourself
OR getting a 3481 card with an 801 autodialer card in a 1601 rack...
much more expensive.
Cheers,
Elmo
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Date: 21 September 1982 16:52 edt
From: York.Multics at MIT-MULTICS (William M. York)
Subject: time limits on payphone calls
cc: jcp at BRL
Calls from payphones in the Boston area have been automatically broken
after a fixed amount of time (10 minutes or less) for several years.
I remember being incredibly annoyed when I first came to MIT in 1975.
There was apparently no such limit in the Detroit area. (Since then,
Michigan Bell has raised payphone rates to $0.20, but if they still
allow unlimited duration calls, it might be worth it. Today I had to
call my wife back at a payphone when we got the beep, and sometims
payphones don't accept incoming calls!)
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Date: 21 Sep 1982 2204-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: DC Metro area
The phones in the distant suburbs of DC such as Herndon, Annapolis,
and Columbia are not DC Metro phones; they can't call the entire metro
area. They can usually get as far as the District, but can usually
not call the other side of the river.
Thus they do not belong to the unique group of NXXs that is dialable
with both the 'real' area code and 202.
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Date: 22 Sep 82 8:40:37-EDT (Wed)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
To: John R Covert <RSX-DEV@Dec-Marlboro>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Re: DC Metro area
I will limit this note to Laurel, Md. exchanges. (area 301)
(I had written that 621 and 953 were in DC metro area.)
490,497,498,725,776 Laurel; and 596 Columbia (Laurel service) have
local service into DC but not to Va.
621 Laurel (Bowie-Glenn Dale service) & 953 Laurel (Berwyn service)
both have local service to DC metro area.
792 Laurel (Waterloo service) has local service to Baltimore metro
area.
None of the above is reachable via area code 202.
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Date: 24 Sep 1982 1355-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #122
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 23 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 122
Today's Topics: Bell 212 Modems
Foreign Exchange (FEX) Circuits
Credit Card Automation
Local Phone Books - Coupons & Advertising Enhancements
Prefix Trivia - 202 NPA And Elsewhere
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Date: 22 Sep 1982 1944-PDT
From: Jeff Dean <DEAN at USC-ECL>
Subject: 212 modems
To: sdyer at BBN-UNIX
I used to used a 212 under somewhat adverse circumstances with
relatively good luck. I dialed from NJ to Boston through a somewhat
circuitous route (in order to get to a WATS line), yet most of the
time I had no problem. Sometimes, things would work even though the
connection sounded awful.
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Date: 22 Sep 1982 2359-EDT
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: FEXes
I was messing around with one of our dialup lines recently, which is a
FX. When you pick up on it, you hear way off in the distance a
crossbar line kick to dialtone, but you don't get any local voltage
changes, even when you dial a number from there. This points to some
fairly strange hardware hung off the line. Can someone who knows go
into more detail about how FEXes work? Do they use dedicated pairs
[something that NJ Bell is apparently trying to *outlaw* now??!?!], or
a multiplexed trunk?
My [belated] thanks to all those who replied concerning the
tone-decoder question. I haven't managed to latch on to that issue of
BYTE yet [our local on-campus library had their copy stolen a while
back] but when I get more time for dinking around with the micro I
will certainly look it all up. Ian, I will get those replies out to
you soon.
_H*
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Date: 23 Sep 1982 1407-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Credit Card Automation
CLEM /62S/ CNS1
MESSAGE-ID: <EMS:5176599943:171>
FROM: ART MOLINEAUX <MOL\79671 @CLEM>
(DP: CORP TELECOM SERVICES)
(LC: VR05-2/B9)
(EX: 273-3133)
(CC: 62S)
TO: CASTOR/COVERT <ZK @CNS1>
SUBJECT: CREDIT CARD AUTOMATION
DATE: THU 23 SEP 1982 9:35 AM EDT
The price of automation:
To dial an off-net call from Logan Airport-
0+xxx-xxxx (remote access)+14 credit card #+xxxx(barrier code)+
"8"+10 digit call for a total of 37 digits.
23-SEP-82 09:53:39 S 01076 CFS0
23-SEP-82 10:04:08 S 27537 RCS2
[Note: Sorry for the confused mess, The header was so complicated that
I didn't know what information was useful. --JSol]
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Date: Mon Sep 20 1982 19:02:17 PDT
From: Dave Siegel <vortex!dave@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: New L.A. Airport Directory
Yes Folks it just arrived! The new Los Angeles Airport Area phone
book just landed on my doorstep in its shiny clear plastic wrap...
kinda like the ground beef you buy at the supermarket. It just as
well could have come in a plain brown paper wrapper. First off, there
is a piece of cardboard glued to the front of the book promoting the
new Bell System Gold Pages Coupons (tm). These coupons aren't new to
the world but are new to this neck of the woods. I wonder how much
they stick you for one of those? Next I noticed that some of the ads
in the Yellow Pages have these red borders and ink in the middle of
them... sort of like the old Bell System Practices (next comes the
little pointing finger). But the thing that caught my eye were the
ads in the section labeled "Massage". This section was always in the
book, but I had never noticed the ads before. The flashy red borders
around *this* year's ads, however, immediately attracted my undivided
attention. "WILD COEDS OUTCALL MASSAGE" (call Lynn for an
appointment), "AFTERNOON DELIGHT BY
'MONIQUE'" (personal attention with discretion -- male and female
escort and massage), "CALIFORNIA GIRLS" (our escorts are out of this
world!), "DIANNE & LISA" (we'll go anywhere!)...
They even have their pictures in the ad. Do their mothers know they
have famous daughters?
Gosh! I hadn't realized that the local phone book could be this much
fun! And those coupons... I'm going to rush right out to get the buck
and a half off on the large pepperoni pizza (with extra cheese!)
Dave Siegel
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Date: 23 Sep 82 15:08:41 EDT (Thu)
From: R Dennis Rockwell <dennis.duke@UDel-Relay>
Subject: DC Metro area
Cc: cmoore at Brl
There's actually a bit of strangeness about Bowie; exchanges available
there can apparently be local to either DC or Baltimore, as the town
is mostly commuters. I do know that 262 CAN be reached thru area code
202; my wife's parents live there, and I used 202 a couple of times.
If Glenn Dale cannot be called thru 202, that's pretty strange, as
Glenn Dale is directly between Bowie and DC. However, that's TPC for
you...
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Date: 24 Sep 82 7:53:13-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
To: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Re: DC metro area
What Bowie exchanges are you talking about? I was referring to
301-621, which provides the Bowie-Glenn Dale local service but does
not serve the Bowie-Glenn Dale area (it serves Laurel, which is
further north). As for prefixes being local to either DC or
Baltimore, you'd have to look up Laurel, Columbia, & vicinity. The
prefixes serving the Bowie-Glenn Dale geographic area CAN be reached
via area 202.
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Date: 24 Sep 82 8:41:01-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: more boundary cases
These are the only other cases I know of where a place name is picked
up across a state line. All of these are from phone books.
Waynesboro (Pa.): 717-762, 749 (latter in Mont Alto area); 301-631
Terra Alta (W. Va.): 304-789, 301-785
Zenda (Wisc.): 815-649 (don't yet know what Wisconsin prefix is
involved; the Ill. prefix given here was in list of prefixes
for Chicago area, which includes parts of 815 and 219)
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Date: 28 Sep 1982 1359-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #123
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 23 September 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 123
Today's Topics:
Incredible Translation Screw-Up In Nashua, NH
Adaptive Equalizers In 212 Modems
Bell System International Information Service
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Date: 28 Sep 1982 1002-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Incredible Translation screw-up in Nashua, NH
Customers in Nashua who misdial calls to Manchester (the error is to
include the 603 NPA as part of the call) are being routed over the
Foreign Exchange lines installed in DEC's Merrimack/Nashua CENTREX.
It seems that the 3-digit translator entry for normal customers for
603, which should point to error recording (since you aren't allowed
to dial your own NPA in NH) points to DEC's translator for 603, used
to automatically route calls to the Manchester area over the FX.
This is due to be fixed today (I discovered it yesterday) and applied
to calls from all Nashua/Hudson NXXs except 888. The "correct" way to
dial Manchester is 1+7D or 0+7D; calls went on the FX if dialed with
1+603+7D, 0+603+7D (no stop at TSPS along the way), or 603+7D. When
calling from a pay station, the call, normally a toll call, routed on
the FX and returned the dime at the end of the call.
DEC, of course, had to pay for all the local calls in Manchester and
also incurred other costs, since the FX lines were unavailable which
caused calls to be routed over WATS. (Fortunately calls from the
outside phones went to reorder, rather than WATS, when the FXs were
busy.)
This error may have existed for years.
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Date: 24 Sep 1982 22:27:35-PDT
From: mo at LBL-UNIX (Mike O'Dell [system])
Subject: Adaptive equalizers in 212 modems
I recently saw an article (latest Computer Design) on a 212 modem with
a real, honest-to-goodness adaptive equalizer. This won't help a lot
if you only have one, unless the errors are on only one side of the
circuit!! But if you have them on both ends, it should work quite a
bit better. The same company makes a V.22 version (European 212
standard) which the Swedish national telephone company just adopted as
its standard! Imagine, getting state-of-the-art hardware from the PTT
as a matter of course!!
Another interesting thought: since the 3400 frequency choices are
inherently more immune to distortion, would an adaptive 3400 be much
better than the adaptive 212?? I guess to answer that you would have
to know how much intersymbol distortion results from second-harmonic
distortion in the 212 signal. Any budding EE out there have any ideas
about this?
Also, is the Vadic 2400 baud autoadaptive? I would think that would be
a necessity.
-Mike
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Date: 28 Sep 1982 0948-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Bell System International Information Service
It's finally listed with 800 D.A. (After I complained to
the folks at Long Lines in New Jersey.)
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Date: 30 Sep 1982 1633-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #124
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 1 October 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 124
Today's Topics:
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Date: 29 Sep 1982 13:07 EDT
From: Slade.WBST at PARC-MAXC
cc: Slade.wbst at PARC-MAXC
Re: auto tape message senders; cordless phone information
Does the following device really exist and could someone give me the
name of the folks that make them? I thought that I had heard of such a
device some months ago but cant recall where I saw it.
For want of a better name, I call them automatic message senders. The
device dials a series of phone numbers and plays a precorded tape
message whenever the phone number is answered. A single phone number
capability is not sufficient (these single call devices are used in
some burglar alarm reporting systems to call say, the police
department). Conceptually the device is easy to design with standard
autodialers and a continuous tape machine. What about the part of the
system that recognizes that the phone has been answered?
On another subject, people were asking about cordless phones recently.
For those that have not seen it, a review of the cordless phones
available was published in the October, 1982 Popular Science, p 84.
Included is the statement that several of the units will do true
touchtone dialing. Has anyone confirmed that this is true? The units
claimed to do this are the Electra FF-4000, Mura 800/801 and the
Pathcom 8800 and 9800.
mike slade
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From: decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax@Berkeley
Date: Mon Sep 27 12:30:53 1982
Subject: PBX that won't hang up
I have a problem with a PBX that won't hang up. I am describing it
here in the hopes that it may prevent new equipment from being
designed this way. I don't expect anyone to suggest a fix, but if
you've got one, by all means tell me (address below).
Many of the management types who use this (UNIX) machine have 1200
baud direct connect modems and a separate phone line. There is a
switch on the phone marked "TALK" and "DATA". They have a habit of
logging out and leaving the switch in the "DATA" position, thus tying
up the line. I attempted a fix by having the UNIX end hang up on
logout. This'd work fine if they were outside calls, but since both
the managers and the modems are on the same PBX the line is held open
until the originating end (the manager) hangs up.
My CO at home behaves this way but has a timeout of 30 seconds or so.
This gives me enough time to hang up on an incoming call and move to
another phone without loosing the call -- a marvelous feature.
Without the timeout, I'd have no recourse against obscene phone calls
or pushy telephone salesmen. I guess the designers of our PBX didn't
worry about obscene phone calls or forgetful managers.
Bob Van Valzah
(...!decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!bobvan)
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Date: 30-SEP-82 12:08:18
From: STAR::LIONEL
To: ALIEN::PARMENTER
Sender: John Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Name That Bell
[From MIS Week - Sept. 29, 1982]
The North American Telephone Association, composed of many equipment
vendors who want to sell to independent phone companies and to AT&T's
purchasing division, has a Washington office which every other week
publishes a "Washington Update."
Last week, dispensing with serious reporting for a moment of levity,
Update revealed that "an ambitious soul, believed to be employed
somewhere in the Bell System" has come up with nicknames for the seven
regional holding companies that will be formed from the divested 22
Bell operating companies.
In the Northeast region will be Yankee Bell; in the Mid-Atlantic
region, Liberty Bell; in the Midwest, Cow Bell; in the South, Southern
Belle; in the Rockies and the West, Buffalo Bell; in the Southwest,
Taco Bell; and in California, Tinker Bell.
[Taco Bell is already a registered name for a Taco stand. --JSol]
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Date: 3 Oct 1982 1701-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #125
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 1 October 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 125
Today's Topics:
New Services - Hotel And Airplane Phones/Terminals
Auto Tape Message Senders
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Date: 3 Oct 1982 1211-PDT
From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
Reply-To: Geoff at SRI-CSL
Subject: Travelers' Computers.
a203 0920 03 Oct 82
AM-Focus-Travelers' Computers, Bjt,820
TODAY'S FOCUS: Placing Computers in the Air and in Hotel Rooms
Laserphoto Cartoon NY6
By NORMAN BLACK
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - John Q. Public, a sales manager at a major
corporation, is working at his computer terminal in New York when he
gets an order from the boss - get out to Los Angeles and help close a
major deal.
Two hours later, Public is on the airplane. He checks in by phone
for some final instructions, then pulls out a portable terminal
provided by the airline and resumes work. When he's done, his latest
sales report is transmitted back to New York, from 40,000 feet in the
air.
Later that night, Public checks into a hotel. He flips on a small
computer terminal in his room, reads several ''electronic mail''
messages waiting for him from other sales agents and files his own
report back to New York on the Los Angeles contract.
Sound farfetched? Guess again. The computer age is arriving faster
than you think.
Dallas-based Travelhost Inc. plans to begin placing small computer
terminals in hotel and motel rooms in January. The company is
convinced it can entice hotel operators to place 500,000 terminals in
the field by mid-1985.
An unrelated company, Airfone Inc., hopes to begin testing the
nation's first commercial air-to-ground telephone system next month.
Assuming the experiment works, Airfone officials say it's a small step
from an airplane telephone system transmitting voices to a phone
system transmitting computer data.
Some preliminary tests indicate that the idea is feasible, says
John D. Goeken, founder and president of Airfone, a Washington,
D.C.-based company that is now 50 percent owned by the Western Union
Corp.
Officials of Airfone and Travelhost, although approaching their
ventures from different perspectives, are focusing on the same travel
market. The development of video teleconference facilities, allowing
corporate executives to meet via television, will never completely
replace the need for face-to-face meetings, the officials say.
''This will be the first amenity introduced for the hotel industry
in the last 30 years that's significant enough to help push the
industry into a new future,'' says Dr. Lee H. Smith, president of
Travelhost. ''... this will become a vital service to the in-room
traveler that allows him to avail himself of some very good
travel-related services in an easy fashion.''
Travelhost and another Dallas company, the Quazon Corp., have
already developed a simple, ''user friendly'' computer terminal for
the new service. Quazon will manufacture the devices, with the first
to be available in January.
Smith says the terminals will prove attractive to hotel operators
because they'll receive a payment every time a terminal in one of
their rooms is turned on. Travelers, meantime, after punching in a
credit card number, will be able to send and receive electronic
messages; make airline reservations; check addresses and menus at
restaurants; peruse the offerings of merchandisers, and check the
stock market and latest news reports.
''If a person can count to 10, he or she can operate this
Travelhost terminal,'' Smith claims.
Travelhost has yet to announce how much the service will cost the
traveler, although Smith says the rates ''will certainly be
competitive with what's out there now for home computer users. A rough
ballpark might be $20 an hour during peak time and $7 or $8 during
non-peak.
''Portability isn't here yet for computers, and we think the
timing is absolutely right and that we can ... capture a significant
share of the market,'' he adds.
While there might not be many people carrying portable computers
now, that is clearly something envisioned by Airfone. The company says
that one day airline travelers will be able to use their own terminal
or a portable device provided by the airline to work during flights.
''Our main concern right now is the in-flight telephone system,''
says Stephen Walker, the joint venture liaison for Western Union.
''But computer data transmission is one of the next steps,'' he
continued. ''There's no trick to that, really.''
If you have the equipment to attach a computer to a telephone, he
adds, ''it doesn't make any difference whether the phone is on the
ground or in the air.''
Bill Gordon, Airfone's director of network planning, says the
company has been developing the air-to-ground telephone service since
1974.
''But it took us until 1979 to ask the Federal Communications
Commission to authorize the service and allocate frequencies,'' he
added. ''The FCC hasn't done that yet, because they want to see the
results of our experiment. We've got licenses now to build 37 ground
stations and we're reaching the point of putting the gear into the
airplanes.
''The airlines are very interested in this,'' Gordon concluded.
''They want to make the transportation time for their passengers as
enjoyable and productive as possible.''
ap-ny-10-03 1219EDT
***************
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Date: 1 Oct 1982 09:38 PDT
From: Lynn.ES at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Re: auto tape message senders
In-reply-to: Slade.WBST's message of 29 Sep 1982 13:07 EDT
cc: Lynn.es
The device you describe (automatic message senders) has become popular
with sales people that operate over the phone, the electronic version
of the door-to-door salesman. They even have ones that record
anything the callee replies to the recording, so they can take down
your mailing address, when you are asked by the recording, to harrass
you by mail as well as phone.
I saw in the news awhile ago that they (California legislature, I
believe) were passing a law against machines calling up people. So
now a person calls up (apparently with machine help on the dialing)
and asks if it is ok to proceed with their tape. The last one that
called me didn't really give me a chance to reply. By careful timing,
they can still get 10 or so people on the line with 10 or so machines,
but only 1 paid employee.
The purpose of the law was allegedly to prevent machines from tieing
up phones when a true emergency required the recipient of the call to
use his phone, but I think it was more to keep down nuisance
solicitation. It wasn't too effective in that respect. Anyway, I
don't know who makes the device, but I wish they wouldn't.
/Don Lynn
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 8-Oct-82 15:55:15
Date: 8 Oct 1982 1555-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #126
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 8 October 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 126
Today's Topics: New List For Bankers
Warning! General Telephone To Buy SPC/Sprint
Automatic Credit Card Numbers With Non-Bell Companies
Automatic Message Senders
Operator Routing Information
Shutting Off Coin Phones
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Date: 3 October 1982 22:44-EDT (Sunday)
From: The Banking List <Banking at ML>
Sender: Feinberg@OZ
Subject: New Mailing List
Howdy!
There is a new mailing list, Banking@ML. The current
description of the list is:
BANKING@ML is an interest group to discuss the banking
industry as it is and as it could be, especially including but
not limited to the impact of computer technology. Topics of
interest might include EFT security, technical details of
existing and future systems, rate structures, policies, and
regulatory climates.
Requests for addtions (or deletions) should be sent to
Banking-Request@ML. The archive is contained in the file
COMMON;BANK ARCHIV at ML. Questions, comments and suggestions
regarding the operation of the list should be sent to
Banking-Request@ML.
--Neal Feinberg
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Date: 5-Oct-82 21:31:11 PDT (Tuesday)
From: Newman.es at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Warning! General Telephone to buy SPC/Sprint
cc: Newman.es at PARC-MAXC
If you susbscribe to Southern Pacific Communications' "Sprint"
long-distance telephone service, get ready to switch to another
service!
Yesterday's Wall Street Journal (October 4, page 6) reports that
General Telephone has agreed to buy Sprint from Southern Pacific.
Anyone who has ever lived or worked in Santa Monica can recite
numerous horror stories about the quality of GenTel's "service".
/Ron
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Date: 3 Oct 18:48- 198 (Sun)
From: smb.rabbit at UDel-Relay
Reply-To: smb.unc at UDel-Relay
Subject: automatic credit card numbers with non-Bell companies
Via: (rabbit); 3 Oct 82 18:53-EDT
Via: UNC; 5 Oct 82 20:11-EDT
Recently, while driving to D.C., I stopped to make a call from a
non-Bell phone (Continental Telephone of Virginia, I believe). I was
quite surprised to here the familiar BEEP-Beee...... tone; when I
keyed in my credit-card number, it said "thank you" as usual. Did
this phone company have to install any special equipment, or was it a
consequence of Bell having installed the gear at their center?
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Date: 6-Oct-82 18:25:44-PDT (Wed)
From: UCBVAX.pur-ee!davy@Berkeley
Subject: automatic message senders
In regard to your query about automatic message senders, I saw an ad
for a telephone with automatic message sending capabilities in a
catalog (from JS&A, I think) a few months ago. It was being marketed
as something for you to buy for your parents/grandparents as a safety
type thing.
If I remember right, you were able to record a little message, along
with a couple of numbers (fire, police, etc.). There was a "panic
button" which you would mount on the wall next to the bed or whatever,
and when it was pushed, the phone would dial each of these numbers and
relay the taped message. (I sort of wondered about that one, though
-- what's the fire dept. gonna do about a break-in?)
The phone also had all the other nifty stuff they've come out with in
the past years -- automatic dialing of numbers, a speaker, etc., etc.
I beleive that JS&A wanted somewhere around $300-400 for the thing,
but I'm not positive.
--Dave Curry
decvax!pur-ee!davy
pur-ee!davy@berkeley
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Date: 7 Oct 82 8:05:11-EDT (Thu)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: operator routing
A little while ago, we discussed places like Montague, NJ; Fishers
Island, NY; and Greenwich, Conn. These areas have operator routing
thru neighboring states; I now ask if this implies anything about a
prefix' possible existing in those neighboring areas. E.g.: 201-293
Montague, NJ is routed via 914; does that mean there is no 914-293
prefix? (Answer to this question appears to be "yes", but I recently
came across 205-291 Phenix City, Alabama, routed via 404 area in Ga.,
and both my notes and the phone co. operators say there is indeed a
404-291 prefix at Rome, Ga.)
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Date: 8 Oct 82 9:39:00-EDT (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: op. route; shutoff pay phones
Here are some unusual operator codes I have found (just 1st 3 digits
of such codes are given here):
206-945 Point Roberts, Wash. state; op. code starts with 604
(This point is at south end of a British Columbia peninsula.)
207-339 (S. Lebanon), 363 (York), 384 (S. Berwick), Maine.
Op. codes start with 617, although Maine does not touch Massachusetts.
At recently-closed Delaware Park, I found pay phones with signs "Tele-
phones out of service during races" and the receivers taped so they
could not be removed (easily) from hooks. The phone numbers are (302)
994-9969 and 994-9951, and both were disconnected (no further info
available, according to recording, when I called them. (I was also at
Keystone track near Phila., and could find no pay phones in clubhouse
area.)
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 12-Oct-82 23:03:16
Date: 12 Oct 1982 2303-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #127
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TELECOM AM Digest Wednesday, 13 October 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 127
Today's Topics: GTE And Sprint
Hayes Smartmodem (300) Problem
Electronic Mail Service
Dialing 1-NPA- From Within The NPA
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Date: Fri Oct 8 1982 13:35:31 PDT
From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: GTE and Sprint
I wouldn't worry much about GTE buying SPC. SPC will just join a long
list of companies owned by GTE (of which General Telephone is one).
Other companies that haven't collapsed when GTE bought them include
Sylvania and Telenet. I certainly haven't noticed any problems with
Telenet just because they became part of a larger company -- no
technical problems, anyway.
Such wheelings and dealings do not necessarily reflect on the
technical quality of service. I hardly think that GTE is going to
replace all of SPC's equipment with Step by Step gear! Actually,
GTE's EAX equipment performs very nicely... and they are moving as
fast as they can to get all their old Step gear out of service.
--Lauren--
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Date: 12 Oct 1982 at 0903-PDT
From: hampton at ACC
Subject: Hayes Smartmodem (300) Problem
I've got a R E A L problem with my Hayes Smartmodem which should be of
general interest whilst we all await the draining of the
Smartmodem-1200 backlog...
Given a burst of noise from my Central Office while connected to my
host, "Carrier Detect" will go off and all incoming data (this only
happens with data incomming, like reading mail...) will flash the LEDs
but never make it out to the terminal! Frantic kicking, poking, and
prodding sometimes gets its attention again but it may just as easily
time out Carrier Detect and drop the connection, even though the host
modem is still transmitting carrier!
In the process of chasing this problem, I discovered that should you
set S10=255 before dialing a call (in an attempt to keep carrier loss
due to noise from breaking the connection) the monitor speaker will be
left on forever and "Carrier Detect" happens immediately upon
completion of dialing even though their is no modem on the other side,
yet. This is only a minor annoyance but perhaps the back side of the
same call-state confusion.
I would appreciate any comments and/or commiseration...
Hampton G. Miller
Associated Computer Consultants
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Date: 11-Oct-82 19:32:17-PDT (Mon)
From: UCBVAX.pur-ee!davy@Berkeley
Subject: Electronic Mail Service
Perhaps this doesn't belong on this list, but it uses the phone
system, so then again maybe it does.
I just found this advertisement stuck on the bulletin board here
describing a service where you can call up to this company's computer
and send electronic mail, "notefiles", etc. to other subscribers of
the service. Some excerpts of the advertisement (two pages) are
below, in order:
"THE CONNECTION is a new and exciting concept in
telecommunications about to sweep the nation. You can use The
Connection wherever there's a phone, in your home or office
and, with a portable terminal, even in a telephone booth."
WHAT DOES THIS SERVICE DO?
"....You can send private electronic mail to any
subscriber......You can use our public 'notefile' system to
express your views about anything and everything....."
WHAT DO I NEED TO USE THE CONNECTION?
".....you will need a modem and a terminal, personal computer,
or communicating word processor. ......If you already have a
personal computer but lack the software to use a modem, you
can get it from us. ....To use our network you simply call
our network (a local number in most cities).....Our computer
will present you with a simple menu of things you can do."
They also plan on offering an "Author System": "where subscribers can
write stories (of any type, fiction or nonfiction) and get paid a
royalty when other users read them. This service will even be able to
handle on-line magazines and newsletters with articles written by
several users. It will cost the user nothing extra to read a story
from this system."
Their rates are given for 300 or 1200 baud, and range from $3.00-$9.50
for "low-density" to "high-density" cities. They also have various
charges for other services, such as hardcopy printouts of things which
are then mailed to you via U.S. Mail, etc.
This service is offered by:
THE CONNECTION
Kangaroo Koncepts, Inc.
19141 Summers Drive
South Bend, IN 46637
(219) 272-2136
Looks sort of interesting, but I'm not sure how quick it really will
take hold. Right now they're soliciting for "charter members", the
service isn't supposed to start until March 1983.
--Dave Curry
decvax!pur-ee!davy
pur-ee!davy@berkeley
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Date: 11 October 1982 02:35 edt
From: Frankston.SoftArts at MIT-MULTICS
Subject: 1-NPA-
Reply-To: Frankston at MIT-MULTICS (Bob Frankston)
A recent letter mentioned that one cannot dial 603 which in 603. The
same is true of 617. Why does this restriction exist? Why can't I
always dial 1-NPA-XXX-XXXX to get a number no matter where I am?
Otherwise it is a pain to provide a piece of equipment that knows how
to dial home no matter where it is in North America. Even
internationally all one needs to do is get into the international
network.
1-617 thus works everywhere except 617. Why?
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 29-Oct-82 01:20:01
Date: 29 Oct 1982 0120-PDT
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #128
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 29 October 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 128
Today's Topics: Dialing Ones Home NPA
Re: Electronic Mail Service
Cermatek Automatic Call Processing Unit (ACPU)
GTE/Telenet 617vs617
More On Op. Codes
Query - Local Area Data Sets
"Equal Access" to competitve Inter-Exchange Carriers
PBX Inquir
TWX History
NY Telephone Selling Phones
2nd Area Code Planned For New York City
Daemon Dialer
[I was on vacation last week, so no TELECOM digests were published]
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Date: 13 Oct 1982 0739-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Dialing one's home NPA
Home NPA can usually be dialed in Georgia and North Carolina; it seems
to depend on the local dial administration folks. To do it right does
require extra translation (Ga and NC sent calls to your own C.O. out to
the toll machine and back, which is kind of wasteful). It is not
perceived that the extra translation is worth allowing both ways to
work. Telco mentality is simply "there shouldn't be two ways to do
anything."
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Date: 13 Oct 1982 1248-MDT
From: Walt <Haas at UTAH-20>
Subject: Re: Electronic Mail Service
Telenet offers a service called Telemail which has a similar effect -
ie. they provided the computer that stores your mail, and you dial into
your local Telenet PAD (of which there are a whole lot), connect to this
computer and read or send mail. I've never used the service myself.
-- Walt Haas
HAAS@UTAH-20
...harpo!utah-cs!haas
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Date: 14 Oct 1982 0830-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Cermatek Automatic Call Processing Unit (ACPU)
The new Cermatek ACPU chip, CH1820, appears at first glance to be a
really nice new product. Closer inspection, however, shows that it has
at least two major deficiencies which make it unusable for its designed
purpose. It would be nice if manufacturers of products which would use
the CH1820 would recognize these deficiencies and prevail upon Cermatek
to redesign the chip.
The first major deficiency will prevent the ACPU from processing calls
correctly under many circumstances. The chip claims to incorporate a
feature enabling it to determine whether the line to which it is
attached accepts DTMF (Tone-Dial) signals. The description of the
"feature" follows:
After dial tone detection, an automatic selection
process of DTMF or Pulse dialing is begun. The
first digit to be dialed is dialed via DTMF tones.
The ACPU then monitors the telephone line to see
if dial tone has been broken. If dial tone is absent
the local TELCO switching system accepts DTMF tones.
In this case the balance of the number is dialed using
DTMF. If dial tone remains, DTMF is not supported by
the local TELCO, and the CH1820 responds by backing up
and dialing the complete number using pulse dialing.
There are two flaws in this algorithm. The first, and most obvious, is
in the case of CENTREX and PBX systems, where the first digit is used as
an access code (e.g. 9 for outside). Using the above algorithm, the
CH1820 would dial 9, discover that dial tone has not been broken, and
back up and dial the 9 again. The call would be sent to an incorrect
number.
The second flaw is less obvious. In modern, electronic switching
systems, the number being dialed is often buffered until the switching
system's CPU is ready to process the digit. In busy central offices,
there is often a substantial delay after the first digit is dialed
before dial tone is removed. Additional digits may be dialed in this
time, but the CH1820 would make the error of backing up, causing the
call to go to an incorrect number.
The second major deficiency in the chip is in the call progress tone
detection algorithm. The detection of ringing versus busy is not very
easy. The algorithm the CH1820 uses is inadequate. The following
description of the tone detection appears in the preliminary data sheet:
Dial tone is recognized as constant energy in the
frequency band of 300 to 700 Hz.
Busy tone is recognized as 200 to 700 ms of energy in
the dial tone band followed by a minimum of 200 ms of
non-dial tone band energy or silence.
Ringback [audible ring] tone is recognized as 700 ms
or more of dial tone band energy followed by 200 ms
or more of non-dial tone band energy or silence.
One of the most widely used PBXs in the industry, the Rolm MCBX,
provides an audible ring of 500 ms on calls dialed into the switch from
the outside. Calls to modems (or other devices) in this PBX would fail.
Avoid products incorporating the CH1820 until a new version is available
which corrects these deficiencies.
______________________________
Date: 14 Oct 1982 10:56:08-EDT
From: dee at CCA-UNIX (Donald Eastlake)
To: telecom at rutgers
Subject: GTE/Telenet 617vs617
Telenet vs GTE: It may depend on what type of connection you have with
Telenet but I would dispute Lauren's claim that Telenet has not
detriorated under GTE. When Telenet was its own thing, the people
working for it at least had some idea what was going on and you could
generally find someone responsible. Now they are trying to do the
service end of things increasingly with random GTE people and
dispatching them through general complex GTE channels such that you have
to talk to 3 or 4 people, none of whom seems to be willing to take much
responsibility or be very definite. They also have taken to doing cute
things like reloading the software into our TP with no notice and
throwing away the old version such that we were without service for 4
days.
617vs617: Re: Frankston's remarks, I am equally annoyed that you can't
simply always dial 1 in front of numbers within 617 if you are within
617. I suppose the claim is that people want to know if they are
dialing a "toll" call and want to minimize the number of digits but no
one seems to care about the wasted effort in having to look up whether
or not you have to dial 1 or more likely randomly try to wrong thing
first and then the other. If I go to the effort of making a telephone
call, I really don't care if its local or not though I suppose it might
make some difference if it was overseas. In any case, it would be nice
to be able to dial what ever prefix is required to effectively declare
that I don't care if its a "toll" call or not.
------------------------------
Date: 18 Oct 82 8:05:47-EDT (Mon)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: op. codes, 209 area
There are several prefixes in 209 area whose operator codes start with
916 (different area in SAME state). These include 555 (dir. asst.),
although its V&H coor- dinates match those of Fresno.
------------------------------
Date: 14 Oct 82 15:52:58-EDT (Thu)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: more on op. codes
I presently don't know why any prefixes would have operator code from a
non-bordering state or province. Earlier, I noted a few Maine prefixes
whose op. codes start with 617 (eastern Mass. area code), and I have
since found these combinations:
Maine, op. code starting with 802 (Vermont)
Idaho, op. code starting with 303 (Colorado)
I wonder what I'll find for op. codes in New Hampshire
and Wyoming, the states "skipped over" above.
----------
Note (not by me) about 1 + your own area code + 7 digit number for
automatic, transportable dialer makes me wonder how complex the changes
would be to accomodate such a thing. I do see how it is a nuisance
without "+ your own area code" being possible when you and the number
you call are in same area. This is in addition to other notes about
one's own area code. I wrote about DC area and NYC, and someone else
wrote that it's the best solution to toll calls within same area code
when "area code" prefixes and 1+ DDD are in same area (no such areas at
least for now).
------------------------------
Date: Thursday, 14 October 1982 15:55-EDT
Sender: KLOTZ at MIT-OZ
From: Leigh L. Klotz <KLOTZ at MIT-MC>
To: jsol at MIT-OZ
Subject:Help?
Being a telephone expert, do you know anything about "Local Area Data
Sets"? They're 9600 and greater "modems" for direct connection. I have
a 4-wire connection to BBN from Terrapin and one of these critters, but
not two. The phone company has stalled for 3 months, and I just found
out today that they don't have any more and have to buy them. I talked
to the guy who designed it and he referred me to Codex, who sells them
to the phone company. They can get me a pair in 4 weeks, but that
doesn't help me today when I need it (or three months ago...).
Do you know anybody who has a pair or one they aren't using that I could
borrow or least or rent for 4 weeks?
Thanks,
Leigh.
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Date: 16 October 1982 13:21-EDT
From: "Marvin A. Sirbu, Jr." <SIRBU at MIT-MC>
Subject: "Equal Access" to competitve Inter-Exchange Carriers
To: Telecom at USC-ECLB
The divestiture agreement calls for the Bell Operating Companies (BOCs)
to provide "equal access" to both AT&T Long Lines and the other
inter-exchange carriers (IECs)
The following is from a paper by Norwood G. Long, Director Loop
Planning, Bell Telephone Laboratories presented at a Workshop on Local
Access in St. Louis last month.
"When a telephone call is placed in the switched message network, the
user must specify the unique number of the called party by entering a
structured list of identifiers and geographical designators. For local
calls only central office (3 digit) and customer (4 digit) codes are
needed.... The next level in addressing is the area code, a 3 digit
code identifying a region with the second digit a "1" or a "0", such as
"201" for Northern new Jersey. Finally, the initial digit or digits may
have, in some locations, a specialized call-type identification
function; "1" can mean a toll call, "01" can mean international call,
etc.
"One way of allowing the user "equal access" in selecting among all
available inter-exchange carriers would be to add digits identifying the
selected carrier to the dialing code....
"The following example... shows one way in which the issues discussed
above might be approached. Since the issues are still under active
discussion by regulators, carriers, and others, it should not be
construed as a proposal.
"Numbering for message toll: 10XX + normal ten digit number, where "XX"
specifies the carrier. If 10XX is absent, call is carried by a carrier
preselected by the user.
"Access to all IEC's would be through an intermediate tandem switch,
unless traffic studies show wnough traffic to justify the cost of direct
end-office-IEC hub trunks. From an end office, trunks to both the
access tandem switch and an IEC hub would have 3 dB loss; access tandem
to IEC hub trunks would have 0 dB loss. Traffic blocking on a two link
end office to access tandem plus tandem to IEC hub call would be
adjusted to be the same as on a direct end office to IEC hub call."
------------------------------
Date: 18 Oct 1982 1226-PDT
From: Jim Celoni S.J. <CSL.JLH.Celoni at SU-SCORE>
Subject: PBX inquiry
The University of Santa Clara is shopping for a 1200-line PBX for our
44-building campus and has received proposals from Northern Telecom
(SL-1 VLE Generic X11), CP National (Mitel SX-2000), American Bell (AT&T
D2000 FP8), InteCom (IBX), Rolm (LCBX Release 7), United Technologies
(Stromberg DBX 5000), and ComPath (Wescom 580L). Other companies
weren't interested in bidding (e.g. GTE, Anderson-Jacobson, Datapoint,
Harris, IBM).
Staying with the Centrex served from our #1 ESS CO (in Pacific Telephone
territory) is possible too, either month-to-month or under a forthcoming
tariff offering guaranteed rates for three years. (Centrex is about all
the operating companies will have for large customers after the split.)
Rumor has it that Rolm's developing a new incompatible MC68000-based
switch, Northern a new incompatible switch, that Bell's Antelope is not
a Dimension add-on (and will be out soon for smaller sizes and later for
ours), and that still-uninstalled switches (some from startup companies)
will outshine them all.
I'm not permitted to give prices or say which bidders are finalists or
how the terms they're offering us are different from their standard
ones, but I'd really appreciate your comments on the proposed systems,
on the rumors, on PBX vs. month-to-month vs. Centrex contract, etc..
I'll keep your reply between us if you want, and I'll summarize for
Telecom whatever of the rest is of general interest.
Many thanks.
--j
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Date: Fri Oct 22 1982 21:18:24 PDT
From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: TWX history
Greetings. Can somebody tell me when the ASCII TWX network first began
to appear? When did the term "twix" first start to be used, and has it
ever been used outside of the U.S.? I am not concerned with the Baudot
telex network, which has been available domestically and internationally
for many years. (As an aside, I believe that use of the term "TWX" is
now being discouraged -- you're now supposed to call the ASCII service
"Telex II".) Any info would be appreciated. Thanks much.
--Lauren--
P.S. I started thinking about this while watching an old rerun of
"M*A*S*H"! Klinger ran into a room holding a slip of paper and said,
"I've got a twix here you're going to want to see..." Seems to me that
the usage is wrong both in space and time. TWX in *Korea* during the
Korean War? Telex, yes, but TWX? Looks like the writers blew it on
this one -- probably didn't realize there was any difference.
--LW--
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Date: 24 Oct 82 17:27:52 EDT (Sun)
From: floyd!cmcl2!edler@Berkeley
Subject: NY Tel. selling phones
New York Telephone is offering to sell currently installed telephones
to residence and business customers with single-line telephones. The
offer applies to Standard, Trimline, or Princess sets, dial or tone,
desk or wall. There is a 30 day limited warranty for electrical parts,
excluding cords. If you take them up on this, they will put it on your
bill, and if you are a residence customer they will bill you in six
installments if you like. The offer is good until December 31, 1982,
after which it will presumably change.
The price is $50 for either of my two standard desk touch-tone sets,
which I have had for less than a year. The current monthly charge that
I would save is $3.73, so it would take about 14 months to make my
money back.
Are other phone companies making similar offers? Is this a good deal?
Will the price go down after January 1, 1983? Will significantly better
phones be available soon for a better price?
Should I take them up on the offer?
Jan Edler cmcl2!edler (nyu)
pyuxll!jse (btl piscataway)
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Date: Wed 27-Oct-1982 16:48-EDT
From: Bill Russell <RUSSELL@NYU>
To: DORN.ACF1@NYU, Richard Kenner <KENNER@NYU>, TELECOM@USC-ECLB
Subject: 2nd Area Code for New York City Planned
From the NY Times, Wed, October 27th, 1982, by The Assocciated Press
The New York Telephone Company said yesterday that it was considering
a second area code for New York City in 1984 to meet the growing demand
for and use of the telephone. The company ``is presently looking into
ways to increase the supply of phone numbers in New York City to meet
future needs,'' said a spokesman, John Quinn. Mr. Quinn said that
amoung the proposals being considered was ``a new area code covering
Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.'' He said the new area code would be
718, with Manhattan and the Bronx keeping 212. The 718 area code would
be considered a local call if dialed from in New York City. If the
plan, which requires approval by the State Public Service Commission, is
adopted, it would be implemented in mid-1984, he added. A second area
code would free up to 800 exchanges--the first three digits of a phone
number, Mr. Quinn said, double the amount now available. The
telephone company nearly two years ago began requiring the dialing of
the numeral ``1'' before all long-distance numbers from New York City,
but ``the several hundred'' exchanges it provided are being rapidly
``eaten up'' as a result of a growing technology and direct inward
dialing, Mr. Quinn said. He said all the exchanges provided by adding
``1'' would be used up by 1985. Direct inward dialing--dialing
without going through a central operator--``requires a large nunber of
code blocks,'' he said. More extensive use of beepers and mobile radio
systems, which will make car telephones much more accessible, also
reserves large blocks of numbers. The proposal for dual area codes is
currently being studied by San Diego and Los Angeles, two cities that
will implement the system before New York does, Mr. Quinn said. New
York City currently has more than six million phone numbers.
------------------------------
Date: 29 October 1982 00:05 edt
From: Schauble.Multics at MIT-MULTICS
Subject: Daemon Dialer
I have been seen ads for this beast for a long time. It is a small box
that you plug into any extension outlet in your house. It then provides
speed calling services for all of the phones in your house. You pick up
the phone, dial the speed call code (touch only) and the daemon dials
the number for you.
I would very much like to know how this works, in detail. Seems to me
that if you do this, the CO will also receive the tones directed at the
daemon and attempt to respond to them. How is this avoided?
Paul
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Date: 4 Nov 1982 1532-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #129
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 4 November 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 129
Today's Topics:
Generic Dialer & TeleMail & 1-NXX & Buying a Phone
& TWX & Complication of LD Access & Switching Trivia
Operator Codes And State Boundaries
TELECOM Digest V2 #128, CH1820
TELENET
TWX History
Queries About DTMF Chips
Building An AutoDialer
Demon-Dialer
Area Codes, N0X & N1X Prefixes
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Date: 29 October 1982 12:31-EDT
From: Jeffrey R. Del Papa <DP at MIT-ML>
generic dialer:
I recently heard (from the director of the gte group that sells
pbx'n, who was filling in for the instructor of this telephony class I
started taking tuesday) that "10 digit dialing is coming... tho not
till after the dust from the consent decree settles a bit"
telemail:
is a crock. it's user interface is worse than any mailer I have
seen. We showed some of the telenet people (Gulp, I will have to
admit, I work for GTE, tho I have nothing to do with the telephone
groups.) RMAIL, and BABYL. There reaction was "too complex.." (I was
rather incredulous at the idea that rmail was complex) (of course
these same people were suprized at the idea of someone using a mail
system. very few people (at the labs anyway) use electronic mail, and
those that do use it mostly as a novelty.) (by the same token the only
people at honeywell that use multics emacs are consultants. all the
real employees us the line editors.)
Telemail is organized in an almost reasonable way... It has a front
end running on a number of vaxen, and file storage done by a tandem.
this leaves more than a few warts tho. you can file messages away, and
delete the messages from the files. you cannot (once they have been
created) delete the file. so after a few years, you wind up with a
directory full of empty files. At least there is hope by some people
in the telent group of providing a different mailer interface.
dial 1+nxx:
the theory I most often hear concerning 1+ dialing, besides the
ovbious routing switch simplification, is that it reduces ths
proablility of small children to direct dial the other side of the
world. with 1+ the chance is down to 10% with the 0 or 1 requirement
for the second area code digit means it now is a 2% chance.
buying a phone:
Supposedly the guts of a modern telephone are worth $22 retail
(actual cost of about $4, tho that may be for gte phones) The GTE flip
fone was known to it's developers as the "disposaphone" originaly
designed to sell for ~$10 and disposed of when broken. when the
manufacturing people got through costing the thing it had to cost $18.
the marketing people said "we can't do that", so the sell the phone
for ~$50, and fix them when they break.
complication of ld access:
The 10xx for ld acess may happen because the nice people at
MCI,SPC,ITT,etc.. are going to do there best to see that mother
doesn't get the code 1 for ld access when they are stuck with 547.
switching trivia:
The digest already carried the history of the strowger (step by
step) switch. Bell hates patents it doesn't own. It developed panel to
avoid paying ericson for crossbar. well, it didn't even use step until
the twenties, staying with manual switching, to avoid the strowger
patent. In 1919 they did this study. if every female born that year
became a telephone operator when she turned 18, it would provide some
40% of the projected need.
enjoy,
Jeff
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Date: 29 Oct 1982 2057-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Buying telephones
$50 is not an unreasonable price for a Western Electric Standard
Touch- Tone set. The wholesale price for Stromberg or ITT equivalent
set is around $37 (depending on cord lengths, etc.).
But if I were you, just before calling them to buy the phone, I'd go
by the Phone Center Store and exchange the set for a new one. (Tell
them you don't like the color, or that it sometimes doesn't dial
right, or something.) At $50 they can afford to sell you a new phone.
And what are they going to do about all the "Bell System Property, Not
For Sale" stamps in the sets?
------------------------------
Date: 29 Oct 1982 2130-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
cc: lauren at UCLA-SECURITY
Subject: TWX
From "Events in Telephone History:"
November 21, 1931 -- Inauguration of teletypewriter exchange service,
TWX, by A.T.&T. Company. Teletypewriters had been in use on
private lines since 1915. The new service established central
switching exchanges through which any subscriber could commun-
icate by teletypewriter with any of the other subscribers to
the network.
August 31, 1962 -- Bell System's Teletypewriter Exchange Service cut
from manual to dial operation on a nationwide basis.
December 1, 1962 -- TWX service at speeds up to 100 wpm introduced.
January 15, 1969 -- AT&T agreed to sell its teletypewriter exchange
service to the Western Union Telegraph Company.
July 28, 1970 -- The FCC gave final approval to WU Corp's acquisition
of the TWX service operated by AT&T and several independent
companies. The TWX sale doesn't include AT&T's private line
teletypewriter service or the teletypewriter machines used by
AT&T's DataPhone customers. The transfer was scheduled to
take effect March 31, 1971.
The term TWX is used like "Kleenex" to mean any hard-copy electronic
message. It certainly was a common term in the military during the
Korean War, and it is still a common term used within Digital for any
message sent over the company's internal, private, hard-copy message
system.
It was in use even when AT&T's offering of the service was on Baudot
machines. The ASCII machines were assigned telephone numbers in the
N10 NPAs; the Baudot machines had numbers with regular NPAs. It was
possible to communicate between the two types of machines because the
network sent calls that transited the two sets of NPAs through a speed
and code converter. Model 33s on DataPhone service could not commun-
icate with TWX at all, since they would not go through the converter
if calling a Baudot machine (same NPA set) and would go through the
converter if calling a 33 on TWX service.
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Date: 29 Oct 1982 at 2006-CDT
From: mtbill@UTEXAS-11
Subject: a little TWX history
To: vortex!lauren@lbl-unix
You have probly been getting many msgs in response to your
query on this topic, but let me add a few lines, and maybe I can help.
If you could edit the responses you receive, you might prepare a
'History of TWX' for export over the network.
TWX was a commercial offering that appeared in the early '60s
from AT&T. TWX was made possible by the development of the 33 and 35
model Teletypes, and the agreement on a standard communication code,
viz., ASCII. A separate dialing plan using the area codes 510, 610,
710, 810 and 910 was set up in the US and Canada allowing switched
message traffic between TWX customers at 110 baud, a noticeable
improvement over the 50 or 60 baud of Telex. The FCC ordered AT&T to
transfer TWX to Western Union in the late 60s (something to do with
the 1956 Consent Decree perhaps?) and the transfer was complete in
1972. However, many customers were still being served on Bell
facilities until as late as 1980, when WU finally consolidated TWX
onto its own switching network, at which time they dubbed the service
Telex II. Before the migration occurred, translation of many TWX
numbers to regular 10 digit phone numbers was possible, which allowed
all kinds of mischief. But, those happy days are over.
As for your note on Klinger's alleged TWX message... It is
entirely possible that the military was using the acronym TWX before
AT&T, but I can't confirm this supposition. You need not be concerned
that Klinger was not on mainland US, since DoD used Bell's
trans-oceanic cables for their communications, and installed plenty of
outside plant in Korea during the war, just as they did in Viet Nam.
Whether or not Klinger's TWX came in at 60 or 100 baud is debatable,
but you can assume it was carried in Baudot form. The speed of the
terminal equipment was modified in the field by Army types, just as
they did during WWII. The Navy is on record for rebuilding old TTY's
to do in excess of 100 baud, which also required more frequent main-
tenance. But TTY's are like old Mustangs: once they wear out you
simply rebuild it and proceed to run the crap out of it.
Another intereting historical note on TTY traffic... during
the Viet Nam fiasco DoD began to use satellite circuits for data
traffic, becuz of the shortage of cable facilities. Nobody ex- pected
problems they had trying to rewrite all their communications software
to handle the propogation delays up to the bird and back.
Oh well, TWX or Telex II...a rather interesting and sordid
history indeed. Good luck with your research on this topic.
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Date: 29 Oct 1982 2152-EDT
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Operator codes and state boundaries
I really don't see what a state boundary or NPA has to do with where
the operators are who serve a particular exchange. What seems to be
important is how the network is trunked. NPAs and state boundaries
should not restrict the operation of a single operating company. If
N.E.T. wants to put the inward operators for Wilson's Mills, Maine in
Montpelier, Vermont, why not. You might not have noticed without
looking at a map, but all of the northern part of New Hampshire which
separates that part of Maine from Vermont is also served out of Mont-
pelier (it's only 30 miles wide). Likewise, all of coastal New Hamp-
shire is served out of Lawrence, Mass, so it's not so strange that
some of southern Maine is, too. And by the way, the inward operators
for Lawrence, Mass, are actually in several different locations, both
in Massachusetts and New Hampshire.
Operators used to be sort of local to your exchange. Not any more.
They can be located anywhere. Inward used to really be able to do
something about putting calls through. Now all they can do is some-
times bypass a translation error in your local toll system.
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Date: 29 October 1982 22:01-EDT
From: Ken Harrenstien <KLH at MIT-MC>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #128, CH1820
To: RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO
If the CH1820 is unacceptable for the reasons you have given,
could you please explain what the "right" things to do might be?
I have looked into this to some extent (a means of properly
diagnosing the audio feedback on a phone would be a very useful thing
for deaf users) and just don't see how it is possible to win for every
case. At least this chip sounds like someone is finally trying to do
the job. I would certainly want to use it unless something better
exists, and it's not clear that anything does, or that anything better
can be constructed.
Would appreciate more comments and info...
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Date: Fri Oct 29 1982 15:20:12 PDT
From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: Telenet
Well, I guess it all depends on where you are and what you're doing.
I've seen no service variations in Telenet since the GTE takeover, and
still find them to be highly superior to such competitors as Tymnet.
--Lauren--
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Date: Fri Oct 29 1982 20:09:01 PDT
From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: TWX history
Well, the truth begins to emerge. It does indeed appear that "TWX" is
a generic term stretching all the way back to the early days of
teletypewriter communications. Particularly in the military, the term
"twix" has been used without regard for the actual technology (i.e.
Baudot 3-row vs. ASCII 4-row) in use. More strict adherence to use of
the term "telex" for Baudot TTY systems appears to be mainly
restricted to the commercial environment. Even here, however, there
is some confusion, since some people use the term "telex" to mean a
commercial "cablegram" communication.
I should have known better than to doubt Klinger.
Thanks to all who responded directly to me and to the list.
--Lauren--
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Date: 27-SEP-1982 09:17
From: "EVE::VACON c/o" <Schriesheim at DEC-Marlboro>
Subject: Question about DTMF CHIPS
We have had considerable success with a number of "standard" parts for
DTMF (TOUCHTONE) generation and detection from AMI. I would suggest
than if someone wanted to design their own that they get the
"telecommunications design manual" from AMI. AMI's phone is
(408)246-0330. There are alos many standard parts for repertory
dialer design in this book.
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Date: 31 Oct 82 23:59:11-EST (Sun)
From: J C Pistritto <jcp@BRL>
Subject: Autodialer Construction
I'm building an auto-dialer, based on a Z80 micro. I would
like to be fairly intelligent about dialing, (ie. either pulse or
tone), detecting secondary dial-tones, (for use with SPRINT/MCI
services). I also would like to be able to use it to link my two
phone lines, (ie. place calls for me when I'm not at home and connect
me to the line after it answered).
Remote operation would work as follows:
I dial my home phone, wait for it to answer, and dial an
access code (tone only), then the number. It then picks up the second
line, dials the number, waits for answer, and then connects that line
to the first line.
1) I assume this is possible, if not, please let me know
before I spend a lot of time on it.
2) What are some good parts/techniques to do this. I would
like to do it on a reasonably small (1 Multibus slot) type card, with
parts that I can get fairly easily, (and are likely to be in
production for a while).
3) Other than the obvious problem with connecting something
non-FCC registered to the phone line, and with the possibility of
evading tariffs using the remote dialing feature, are there any
notable legal hassels involved.
-JCP-
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Date: Sat Oct 30 17:53:56 1982
Subject: demon-dialer
I tried one. When you lift the phone & punch a special command key it
hangs up the line until the command is complete and then dials the
number. What I didn't like, (I tried it for 30 days and returned it)
was in using the auto-redial feature you left the phone off the hook.
Then if you got an incoming call it would beep in the headset.
Requires you to be close to the handset at all times. It is also
overpriced and there are not many discounts to it. $100 would be
better than $200 for it.
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Date: 2 Nov 82 11:46:46-EST (Tue)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: area codes, N0X & N1X
At what time on Nov. 6 will 619 area be set up in southern Calif.? Is
it a new idea to have transition period? (i.e. can still use 714 for a
while to reach 619)
July 1982 Chicago directory, which has note about 1+ becoming
necessary on out-of-area direct-dial in October, says to dial
0+312+number for 0+ calls within 312 area. (I'd also like to check on
local service from some southern suburbs into 219 area, Ind.)
Proposed NYC split into 2 areas (212,718) would be less than 4 years
after it got N0X and N1X, which are found in 4 of 5 boroughs (NOT
Staten Island, if I recall my V&H notes OK).
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 8-Nov-82 15:42:22
Date: 8 Nov 1982 1542-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #130
Sender: JSOL at USC-ECLB
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TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 9 November 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 130
Today's Topics: Administrivia - Disk Crash
Area Code 619 - What Time On Nov 6 (3 Msgs)
When DTMF Breaks - It REALLY Breaks
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Date: 7 Nov 1982 1541-PST
From: The Moderator <TELECOM-REQUEST at USC-ECLB>
Subject: Administrivia
Due to a disk failure, the TELECOM and TELECOM-REQUEST addresses were
refusing mail last night. Also it is possible that some submissions to
both lists were lost. The disk has been recovered and everything seems
intact, but if you don't see your article in this digest; or your
request to be removed or added (for you people who can read my mind),
then please resubmit your message because I have lost it.
Sorry,
[--JSol--]
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Date: 4 Nov 1982 1614-PST
From: Ian H. Merritt <MERRITT at USC-ISIB>
Subject: What time on Nov 6.
To: cmoore at BRL
Just called 619 directory assistance (it works from GTE (213-822)),
and was informed that it is to be completed by 12:00 (noon, I think).
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Date: 5 Nov 82 8:39:05-EST (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
To: Ian H Merritt <MERRITT@Usc-Isib>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Re: What time on Nov 6.
I dialed 619 this morning and did NOT get a fast busy signal. (From
302-731, dialing a non-existent area code or a prefix which is not a
local call or in 302 area yields an immediate fast busy signal.)
Also, I called an operator yesterday afternoon to check the area code
of Palm Springs, CA (to go to 619 area) and I got 714 with no
reference to 619.
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Date: Sat Nov 6 1982 14:18:35 PST
From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: area code 619
At 0245 this morning, I tried to call directory assistance for the new
area code 619, and it went through fine. I asked the operator how
long they had been "up", and she said that they actually would not be
officially coded in until 12 noon. Apparently some areas (I'm served
out of the Los Angeles "Airport Area" central office) were coded for
619 somewhat earlier for testing and just left turned on...
--Lauren--
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Date: 6 Nov 82 22:48:49-EDT (Sat)
From: Randall Gellens <randall.CC@UDel-Relay>
Subject: when tone dialers "almost" work
I recently came accross a Bell touch-tone princess model phone that I
tried to use. The tones work in the sense that when you press them,
they break dial and generate an audible, normal-sounding tone.
However, dialing "0" drops you back to dial-tone, a local 7-digit
number gets a fast busy after a few (~4) digits, and some special
numbers, such as 611, 411, etc, don't do anything.
The phone reportedly used to have some sort of external device, such
as a conference speaker or external ringer, connected via a "Y"
modular jack where the wall cord connects to the base.
To test ringing and call-pickup, I dialed the operator using the usual
phone, requested a call-back, and immediatly switched phones. The new
phone rang, I picked it up, heard the operator, but she couldn't hear
me. (It seemed to cut-out the xmitter when she spoke, but I couldn't
be sure.) (While she was on the line ("Sir? Did it ring? Sir?") I
switched phones back, (luckily it didn't disconnect) and answered
her.)
There is a round hole with wing-slots about the diameter of a finger,
on the bottom, and there is small plastic switch that slides between
two positions on the side, next to the wall-cord plug. It has "2702B"
stamped on the bottom, with "2702BM 09-78" pasted over top.
Any ideas, suggestions, etc?
--randall
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 14-Nov-82 15:01:07
Date: 14 Nov 1982 1501-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #131
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TELECOM AM Digest Monday, 15 November 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 131
Today's Topics:
Telephone Net History - To 1+ Or Not To 1+
Product Query - Telephone & Terminal Combination
Collecters Corner - 3 Slot Coin Phone
Product Reply - Telephone & Terminal Combination
(800) Dialing Glitch
NY NPA Split - '718', Like Calling Scranton
Buying The Phones You Rented From TPC
Now You Can Dial An Ocean?
V&H Map Trivia - 215 NPA & Surrounding
Uses You Can Make Of All This V&H Map Trivia
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Date: 8 Nov 1982 2303-EST
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Why 1+
Sorry, folks, but 1+ to prevent children from dialing long distance is
pure baloney.
All of the first places to get DDD (Washington, D.C. area, New York,
Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, etc.) did not have to
dial 1+. 1+ (or some other access code; many places required more
than just a 1) started in areas where SxS equipment was common, where
it was quite expensive to handle routing calls based on the second
digit rather than the first.
NPAs had a zero or one as the second digit to distinguish; the 1+ was
not required. That also was not to reduce the chance that a child
would dial; it was because NNXs (they were NNXs in those days, not
NXXs) didn't ever have a zero or one in them because NNXs were
actually office codes consisting of one, two, or three letters.
(Standardization on two letters and a digit occurred in the early
fifties.)
The reason that the letters started on the "2" rather than the "1" is
explained in an old document describing Panel, dated 1921:
It will be seen from the photograph that no letters appear under the
"one" or "zero" holes, so that no numerical office codes can begin
with either "one" or "zero." The use of numerical office codes
starting with "1" is undesirable due to the liability of a subscriber
causing a "preliminary pulse" when making a call. A preliminary pulse
may be produced by an unintentional momentary interruption of the
subscriber's line at the switchhook springs after the receiver is
lifted and before dialing is started, as might be caused by
accidentally striking the hook with the receiver. A preliminary pulse
may also be caused by a P.B.X. operator when plugging into a trunk.
When a preliminary pulse occurs the mechanical switching equipment is
affected the same as though a "1" had been dialed. Numerical office
codes beginning with "1" are therefor avoided since such codes would
in effect be dialed whenever a preliminary pulse occurred on any call.
Avoiding such codes permits the central office equipment to be
arranged so as to absorb all pre- liminary pulses, thus allowing a
call on which a preliminary pulse occurs to be properly completed.
The #1 Xbar which served me in the 50s ignored all initial "1"s.
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Date: Tuesday, 9 Nov 1982 10:35-PST
Subject: Combinations of Telephones and Terminals
From: norm at RAND-UNIX
I am looking for products which combine a CRT terminal and a
telephone. I recall seeing several advertised but can't recall the
vendor names.
Any pointers to the makers of such gadgets would be appreciated.
(I already know about Northern Telecom and Mitel.)
I am:
Norm at Rand-Unix
or
Norm Shapiro, 1700 Main Street, Santa Monica CA 90406
or
(213) 393 0411 - Norm Shapiro
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Date: 9-Nov-82 17:04:09-PST (Tue)
From: harpo!ber@Berkeley
Subject: 3 slot coin phone
Could someone help me purchase a three slot coin phone? I had seen
them for sale in department stores a few years ago. I didn't buy one
then and now I don't see them anywhere. Ideally I would like a WECo
phone that hasn't been modified for home use.
brian redman
harpo!ber
(201) 386-2884
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Date: 10 Nov 82 17:04:35-EST (Wed)
From: Ron Natalie <ron@BRL>
To: norm at Rand-Unix
Subject: Re: Combinations of Telephones and Terminals
Bell makes this CUTE little CRT which is part of a telephone, and has
a little full ascii keyboard detached from it. I think it's called a
Datascan? Anyhow, the DoD DEERS project is interested in them for
putting ASCII terminals in cramped quarters (I believe the application
was pharmacy counters in Veteran's centers).
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From: tekmdp!laurir.Tektronix at Rand-Relay
Date: 10 Nov 1982 at 2100-PDT (Wednesday)
Subject: (800) dialing glitch
Via: tektronix; 10 Nov 82 23:17-PDT
Yesterday morn I tried to dial an (800) number which leads to Wicat in
Orem, Utah. I'm in Portland, Oregon. I tried several times, and each
time got a message of the form "the number you have dialed, xxx-yyyy,
is not in service..." with each digit of the number pronounced. The
problem was that all three digits of the exchange (xxx-) had been
changed.
Called the local operator, got no help and a rather surly send-off.
Called another local operator, prepared to ask for the supervisor, and
got a not-so-bored voice telling me that the local operating company
couldn't do a thing, I should call (800) 555-1212. Called them, they
couldn't do a thing 'cept take a trouble report, but fortunately they
told me that Wicat has more than one toll-free number.
The question: if there hadn't been an alternate toll free number, I
would have been quite peeved with my inability to get some action.
What should I have done? When I have this problem with toll calls,
somebody's always willing to invoke special inter-operator
communication circuitry to get me through.
-- Andrew Klossner (decvax!teklabs!tekmdp!laurir) [Usenet]
(laurir.tektronix@udel-relay) [ARPA]
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Date: 11 Nov 82 01:09:36 EST (Thu)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: new area codes
Via: UNC; 11 Nov 82 3:31-EST
The following editorial appeared in Wednesday's NY Times:
'718' Is Like Calling Scranton
The telephone company, a friend from Brooklyn notes glumly,
contemplates a disturbing step: to assign a new area code to
that borough, along with Queens and Staten Island.
The company says it's running out of room in the 212 code.
The new code would mean dialing 11 digits to complete a local
call from Manhattan or the Bronx to the other boroughs, but
for our friend the issue is more than inconvenience.
"The area code contributes to collective identity," he says.
When it begins and ends with a 2 or a 3 -- the middle digit is
always 1 or 0 -- that connotes substance and class. The rest
of New York City would remain 212. Washington D.C. is 202.
Los Angeles is 213, Chicago 312, Detroit 313. Not only that
but some suburbs, such as in Connecticut and northern New
Jersey, have the built-in prestige of the codes 203 and 201.
"I don't mean to sound snobbish, but for the most part codes
that include numbers larger than 3 are for duller, smaller
cities like St. Louis (314) and Milwaukee (414), or for deep
country. Northern Kansas is 913, and the Upper Peninsula of
Michigan is 906.
"Most states with only one area code are strictly pickup
trucks and Sears Roebuck suits, and they usually have high
numbers: Utah (801), Montana (406), Vermont (802). Exceptions
only prove the rule: Connecticut, of course, with that 203.
Also, all of Colorado is 303 but it's the most chic of the
Rocky Mountain states. And Westchester County, with prestige
to spare, easily lives down its 914.
"The code to be assigned to the three boroughs is 718 --
clearly a dowdy figure. Calling Brooklyn, Queens or Staten
Island from Manhattan or the Bronx would be like calling
Scranton, Pa. (717), Council Bluffs, Iowa (712), or anywhere
in North Dakota (701). I don't have anything against
Scranton, Council Bluffs, or North Dakota, but Manhattan
already thinks of Brooklyn as being as remote as North Dakota,
and it's not.
"Some years ago the telephone company provoked complaints by
changing named exchanges like MUrray Hill 6 and TRafalgar 4 to
numbers -- 686 and 874. Substituting numbers for words, the
critics said, dehumanized the telephone. They overlooked a
fact of modern digital life: numbers can be human, too."
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Date: 11 Nov 82 01:15:15 EST (Thu)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: buying phones
Via: UNC; 11 Nov 82 3:32-EST
It was suggested that before purchasing the phones currently
installed, you should exchange them for newer ones. Here's another
reason -- you may get a better phone. The unit I'm just rented from
Jersey Bell, an ordinary-looking TouchTone desk set, has a polarity
guard (the wires in my house were indeed reversed, as I discovered
when I tried plugging in my other phones), and has internal
connections to the black and yellow wires. One seems to go to the
hookswitch, the other to the keypad. I haven't traced things any
further yet; any help would be gratefully appreciated, as I will
probably purchase it when I'm offered the option (soon, I'm told).
The phone is marked "2500DMG R82-8"; I picked it up at the end of
September.
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Date: 11 November 1982 21:35-EST
From: Phillip C. Reed <PCR at MIT-MC>
I got this little flyer in my phone bill a while back that has a bunch
of dialing codes for different countries. What was amusing was the
last paragraph:
* * *
NOW DIAL 3 OCEAN AREAS
Marine satellite telephone service with Communications Satellite
Corporation is now available to ships equipped with satellite
terminals. To place a dialed station call to ships on the Atlantic
Ocean (Ocean Code 871), Pacific Ocean (872) or the Indian Ocean (873),
dial:
011 + Ocean Code + Ship Telephone Number
* * *
I would have thought that anybody on a cruise would want to get away
from phones for a while.
...phil
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Date: 12 Nov 82 17:11:05-EST (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: 215 area
From V&H tape: 215-891, which I wrote of as "Media (Chester Heights
service)", showed up with place name and V&H coordinates of Chester
Heights, in a sur- prise to me. Also, dir. asst. (555) had the V&H
coordinates of Lansdowne (Delaware County just outside Phila.) and not
of Phila.! Several prefixes in & around Reading had op. codes
starting 717, and 215-498 Belvidere (NJ) had op. code starting with
201.
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Date: 12 Nov 82 17:30:59-EST (Fri)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: 215-891, etc.
My notes about "Chester Hts." or "Media (Chester Hts. service)" can
come into play if you are visiting (or reading about) such area,
whether you are from the next county or from the other coast. Even if
you're from the next county, you might save on such things as driving
time if you get as much info as possible from such things as the phone
prefix.
[I agree. It was infinitely easier to figure out Los Angeles once I
had memorized the prefixes in Area Code 213 (and it's only a logical
step upward to switch to Two Area Code Mode. There are exceptions:
don't try it in Manhattan, the street grid is far superior to the
prefix map for directions.--JSol]
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Date: 19 Nov 1982 2238-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #132
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TELECOM AM Digest Saturday, 20 November 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 132
Today's Topics: (800) Dialing Glitch
Problems Dialing 900 Number
Pay Telephones For Home Use
Telephone Status Circuit
Pac Tel Sheds Home Wiring
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Date: 14 Nov 1982 1607-PST
From: Ian H. Merritt <MERRITT at USC-ISIB>
Subject: Re: (800) dialing glitch
Sometimes InWATS numbers are translated to local numbers. The
recording you received was probably the result of this. Either an
improper translation occured in some tandem somewhere, or the number
was in fact disconnected. In any case, when an AIS (Automatic
Intercept Service) recording is received, almost universally, an
operator will come on the line at the end of the message (stated once,
then repeated paraphrased). This operator may have been able to
assist you, or if not, perhaps her supervisor...
<>IHM<>
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Date: Sunday, 14 November 1982 16:11-PST
From: mo at LBL-UNIX (Mike O'Dell [system])
Re: Problems dialing 900 number
Just thought I would pass on this curiosity. Several times I have
tried to dial the STS-5 DIALIT number 900-410-6272 but could not
because as soon as I dialed the "0" in 410, I immediately got the
"Your call cannot be completed as dialed intercept." I could dial
some of the other DIALIT numbers without the zero there, but the zero
causes an immediate intercept. The interesting part is that I am
served by a brand-new ESS (model unknown) central office (the old Xbar
was cut-out about 6 months ago). Even more amusing, when I dial the
operator and complain, I get the expected multitude of stupid answers.
Moveover, when I ask them to dial them for me, about half the time
they claim they can't dial DIALIT numbers for me, and the other half
the time the operator cheerfully complies and it works fine. I claim
there is a bug in the CO, but where in the world do I send the SPR??
-Mike
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Date: 15 Nov 1982 1426-PST
From: Lynn Gold <FIGMO at KESTREL>
Subject: Pay telephones for home use
cc: harpo!ber at UCB-C70
I saw a pay telephone for sale at Macy's out here (Palo Alto, to be
exact) about a year ago; perhaps they still have such an animal at a
Macy's near you.
--Lynn
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Date: 19 Nov 1982 0008-PST
Subject: telephone status circuit
From: William "Chops" Westfield <BillW @ SRI-KL>
A long time ago, in a state far away, Someone published a very nice
circuit that used a single CMOS IC (a 4001 quad nor gate, I think)
that differentiated between hung up, ringing, and off hook phone
conditions, displaying the result on a LED (off, on, or flashing, not
necessarilly in that order). Unfortunately, I lost the xerox I made
of the circuit at that time. Does anybody happen to remember or have
this circuit (I though it was in the "Electronic Casebook" section of
an "Electronics" magazine, but I recently went through all the issues
I could find since 1972, and I didnt see it...)
Thanks
Bill W
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Date: 19 Nov 1982 1037-PST
From: Jim Celoni S.J. <CSL.JLH.Celoni at SU-SCORE>
Subject: Pac Tel Sheds Home Wiring
Pacific Telephone has filed a tariff with the Calif. Public Utilities
Commission to decouple maintenance of residential station wiring from
the basic monthly service fee. If it's approved, PT&T will maintain
home wiring only if customer pays $0.35/mo OR $60.00/visit.
I think inside wiring becomes customer property on 1-1-83 whether or
not the above scheme's approved, and people can legally work on wiring
themselves or pay third parties to do so.
(I remember a note about NY Tel changing its treatment of home wiring,
too.)
--j
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 28-Nov-82 19:29:03
Date: 28 Nov 1982 1929-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #133
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TELECOM AM Digest Monday, 29 November 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 133
Today's Topics: Customer Provided Inside Wiring
619 Area Code
1200 Baud Fdx Autodialers
Brantford, Ontario - Trivia Question
Touch Tone Decoding
Last Operator Cordboard Office in Maryland
NYC Directory Assistance (2 Msgs)
Computerized Directory Assistance Operators
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From: "ELROND::D_MITTON c/o" <Schriesheim.Mitton at DEC-Marlboro>
Date: 22-Nov-82 18:40
Subject: Comments on NET Customer-Provided Inside Wire
I transcribed the New England Telephone pamplet on CPIW because I thought
it would be basically similar to programs that may be implemented by other
operating companies. It also contains useful background info for those
who haven't played with doing your own installation.
[This pamphlet is available as
ARPANET: [USC-ECLB]BUG:<JSOL.TELECOM>SELF-SERVICE-WIRING.TXT
(FTP convention user ANONYMOUS password GUEST supported)
DEC Enet: SMAUG::USER$:[MITTON.TELECOM]USERWIRE.TXT
A copy of it will be mailed to the UUCP and CSNET distribution
addresses. If you still can't obtain a copy of this, please
mail to TELECOM-REQUEST@USC-ECLB and I will mail you one.]
Reading the document gives you a new insight on how the companies will
be treating inside wire in the future. Basically they're going to put
in a modular jack just past the protector block. All the rest of the
wire in the house will become your problem. You will be free to
fiddle with it, but if you do something wrong, it's your responsibilty
to fix it (unless you're willing to pay a service fee.) Notice, that
they now can easily lose track of the number of extensions you have
wired in.
This sort of makes sense. It allows the companies to ease out of the
installation business, where installer time and equipment is costly.
After I read this, I finally figured out what those funny looking
terminal blocks that they were selling at the Phone Store where for.
They had four screw terminals with rather prominent colored labels
(green,red,yellow,black) next to each and a 6-inch cord with a modular
plug on the end. It's your entrance block! You place it next to your
NI and wire away from there. You can also purchase modular jacks,
quad, and wire strippers, as well as the typical extension and handset
cords. All are, of course, "Genuine Bell" quality equipment.
I wish I'd known about this before I got my service installed in my
current place. NET charges an itemized installation fee that sort of
works like this:
- Central office setup charge
- Premises visit service charge
- Outside drop wiring from the pole to the house
- Installing a station wire run
- Installing a jack
For them to come out, connect and wire one jack typically cost about
$32 I had three lines (two new ones) and four jacks put in and it cost
close to $100 dollars. Not only that, but I had to talk the installer
into wiring it my way. Installers DO NOT want to do any inside the
wall wiring. He explicitly said "We don't fish walls!" They only
want to do open wiring on baseboards. I talked him into fishing my
kitchen wall phone, because the wall was open to the basement, and I
could show him that there were no electrical wires in there. As it
was, his supervisor showed up, helped him, and then said "Good fish
job, but remember, We don't fish walls!" as he left. I got him to do
the run to the third floor via an old unused heating duct (which you
could see through) and drilling between floors in a closet. It turned
out okay, but I could have saved a lot of money if I had done the
station wiring, (especially since I have recently redone it with
25-pair!) and just let him do the drop.
Sigh. Dave Mitton.
------------------------------
Date: 20-Nov-82 16:59:33-EST (Sat)
From: cbosgd!mark@Berkeley (Mark Horton)
Subject: 619 area code
619 may have cut over, but from Columbus, Ohio, I cannot dial 619. I
dial the whole number and then get reorder. 714 still works. I
dialed an operator and asked what was going on, and he was barely
aware of the 619 area code. He tried the number, using 619, and it
went through. My guess is the local system somewhere has a table of
valid area codes that needs to be updated. Anybody understand it any
better? Other parts of the country having the same problem?
Mark
------------------------------
Date: 20-Nov-82 19:17:23-PST (Sat)
From: amd70!pn@Berkeley
Subject: 1200 baud fdx autodialers
Does anyone know how the various autodialing 212 style modems on the
market (Bizcomp,Cermatek,Hayes,Microbaud,NEC,Omnitec,Penril,Prentice,
Omnitec,Vadic,Ventel, etc?) compare for error rates and tolerance of
noise?
I understand the Vadic 3400 protocol is much better. But the Vadic
autodialer is just terrible. How bad is 212? And does it make a
difference whose 212 you buy?
Phil Ngai
amd70!pn@ucb
------------------------------
From: "ELROND::D_MITTON c/o" <Schriesheim.Mitton at DEC-Marlboro>
Date: 22-Nov-82 19:30
Subject: Trivia question
While I was driving through Brantford, Ontario last Christmas time,
I was suprised to see the slogan "The Telephone City" on the municipal
water tower. Well, I had to consult an expert, John E. McNamara, to get
the answer on why Brantford is special. There are probably a lot of you
that know, Can someone fill in some of the particular details as to why,
and when Brantford choose this slogan?
Dave Mitton.
------------------------------
Date: 24 November 1982 11:11-EST
From: "Marvin A. Sirbu, Jr." <SIRBU at MIT-MC>
Subject: touch tone decoding
Does anybody know anything about decoding touch tone signals by using
an A/D converter and simply processing the signal in a microcomputer?
Has anyone seen any articles in the hobbyist magazines on this?
Marvin Sirbu
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Date: 24 Nov 82 13:02:04-EST (Wed)
From: John W Kinch (REB/VLD) <kinch@BRL>
Subject: Last Operator Cordboard Office in Maryland
The following advertisement appeared in today's issue of a local
paper.
" The Upper Bay Community Relations Team, of the Chesapeake and
Potomac Telephone Company, cordially invites you to attend an open
house to commemorate the retiring of the Last Operator Cordboard
Office in Maryland.
We hope that you will join us for this historic event.
Dates: December 2 and 3, 1982
Time: 6:30 PM to 9:30 PM
Place: 650 Fountain Street, Havre de Grace, Maryland"
------------------------------
Date: Thu Nov 25 1982 14:58:06 PST
From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: NYC Directory Assistance
Greetings. I recently had an odd experience with Directory Assistance
for the NYC area... I was curious to see if anybody out there could
shed some light on the situation:
I was trying to get the number for someone in Queens, NY. I had the
full name, including middle initial. I gave the name to the operator,
who informed me that she had no PUBLISHED listings for that name, but
did have a NON-PUBLISHED listing for the name. She then asked me what
PART of the country I was calling from (note that she did NOT ask me
the typical "what is your area code?" question that WATS directory
assistance asks.) Apparently she didn't like my answer (Los Angeles)
since she then repeated that she only had a non-published listing:
that she had an address but no phone number! I tried calling back,
got a different operator, but EXACTLY the same results.
My query: what the hell is going on out there? Since when do non-pub
subscribers show up AT ALL in directory assistance listings? And why
the questions regarding my "location"? Is there anybody out there in
the N.Y. area who can help explain these events? Thanks much.
--Lauren--
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Date: Thu Nov 25 1982 19:45:01 PST
From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: more on NYC Directory Assistance
I thought I'd try one more time, and, just like before, I got the same
results. This time, however, I was able to get the operator to at
least give me some idea of what was going on. It seems that the
reason they ask for your location is that if you are in the NYC
calling area, they'll give you credit for your D.A. call if the number
turns out to be unlisted. (Nice idea. Out here in California you get
charged the standard amount (is it 20 cents? I forget...) in any
case. However, we do have a pretty healthy free D.A. call allowance
[20/month/line]).
She also claimed that she actually had the listing, but simply could
not give it to me since it was marked non-pub. This is in contrast to
California, where the regular D.A. operators don't have non-pub
listings at all.
--Lauren--
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Date: 23 Nov 1982 0449-PST
Sender: GEOFF at SRI-CSL
Subject: Computer Operator.
From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
Reply-To: Geoff at SRI-CSL
a017 2328 22 Nov 82
PM-Computer Operator, Bjt,450
That Information Operator Is Inhuman
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Telephone users who don't let their
fingers do the walking can hear a computer do the talking when they
call directory assistance here.
Northwestern Bell's new system lets a human operator take a call,
search a computer for the number requested and then hit a button,
putting the computer on line to read the area code and number in a
slow, female voice.
The electronic voice will then repeat the number and advise
callers to stay on the line if they have a question or need more
assistance.
Bell officials say the system, now handling 70 percent of the
information requests in Iowa, Nebraska and Indiana, saves about 5
seconds a call. In Iowa alone, Bell averages 150,000
directory-asistance calls a day.
Operators, who continue to handle emergency requests, say it saves
their voices.
''I like it,'' one operator in Iowa, where the system has been
used since Sept. 1, said Monday.
''I think it's all right myself,'' said another. ''It's no extra
work.'' The operators said they were not allowed to give their names
while on duty.
A supervisor, Joyce Lutz of Des Moines, said the system helps
operators because they ''don't have to talk quite as much. It's a lot
speedier.''
The computer voice, more formally known as the Audio Response
System, will be used in other states as soon as the equipment can
installed, said Ed Mattix, Northwestern Bell's media relations
manager.
''Only a very few have complained they can't understand the
voice,'' he said. ''Some people say they'd rather talk to a live
operator rather than a computer and I guess that's to be expected.
''Some people think computers are coming along and replacing
people, but you still have to have people servicing those computers,
working with them.''
He said operators can handle more calls more efficiently. ''The
most tedious part of their job was the repetition of the numbers. This
way, they can keep going and take more calls. They stay busier and the
time goes faster,'' he said.
Many people think the computer's voice, which Mattix described as
''very understandable,'' comes from a tape recording. But it's
straight from a computer where it's generated by silicon chips.
Phone company policy allows callers to get two phone numbers from
directory assistance for each call. After receiving the first number
from the computer, the caller stays on the line and is automatically
referred back to an operator where the process is repeated.
Mattix said the use of computer voice technology has only begun.
''We've just scratched the surface,'' he said. ''Next thing, we'll
be able to talk to computers rather than sitting at a computer
keyboard like we do now. It's really amazing.''
ap-ny-11-23 0220EST
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 30-Nov-82 20:30:40
Date: 30 Nov 1982 2030-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #134
Sender: JSOL@USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Wednesday, 1 December 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 134
Today's Topics: Dialing 1 + 213 + N0X/N1X Errors
Query - Telephony Books - Are They Worth Buying/Reading
Using Call Waiting With A Ventel 212+
Getting 619 Bugs Fixed
Non-Pubs And Directory Assistance (2 Msgs)
News Feature - Callular Radio
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Date: 29 Nov 82 14:58:35-EST (Mon)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: 1 + 213 + N0X (or N1X)
A few years ago, dialing the above from a pay phone (302-366) got
an error message (I'm not sure if I had to dial the rest of the
phone number first). I would have had to call the operator and ask
him/her to place call (and possibly explain that LA area was an excep-
tion in permitting N0X and N1X--a point that may be a lot easier to
explain here on the East Coast with addition of N0X & N1X in NYC in
1980 and in Chicago area this fall). I think 302-366 pay phone now
puts such a call thru properly.
(302-366 is Newark, Del.)
------------------------------
Date: 29 November 1982 1702-EST (Monday)
From: Mark.Sherman at CMU-CS-A
Subject: Telephony Books
Has anyone heard of these books and say whether they are worthwhile
reading or buying?
All About Telephones
Van Waterford
The Master Handbook of Telephones
Robert J. Traister
-Mark (Sherman@CMU-CS-A)
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Date: 29-Nov-82 16:21:05-PST (Mon)
From: UCBKIM.luria@Berkeley (Marc Luria)
Subject: Using call waiting with a Ventel 212+
Does anyone have any experience with this? Does the modem disconnect
and let the phone ring? We get very few calls, so this seems to be a
reasonable solution if I don't have to keep my eyes glued to the
screen and rush to pick up the phone.
------------------------------
Date: 29 Nov 1982 1959-EST
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Getting 619 bugs fixed
Theoretically a call to repair service should solve the problem. It
probably won't, but if you call 714 555-1212 and ask for a number in
San Diego, insisting that there is no other way for you to get through
and that your operator told you to dial 714, you will get passed to a
supervisor with the keyword "code blue" who will take your area code
and NXX. Whether she'll get it fixed or not is another story.
------------------------------
Date: 29 Nov 1982 2009-EST
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Non-pub
Most places east that I have lived usually have non-pub numbers in
DA's copy of the directory. I believe they usually have "np" and not
the number. Here in Acton I was working at the town fair and a purse
was turned in. We found that the owner had a non-pub number, and our
local DA operator, once we agreed that loss of purse was an emergency,
had to call a "non-pub" bureau, which of course, wasn't answering on
Saturday. By the time she called us back to tell us that she would
have to learn on Monday what the correct procedure for Saturdays was,
we had found the number on her son's school record.
------------------------------
Date: 30 Nov 1982 0746-MST
From: Jay Lepreau <Lepreau at UTAH-20>
Subject: Non-pubs and directory assistance
cc: vortex!lauren at LBL-UNIX
Some years ago I worked for a company (Datacomp in Philly-- are they
still around?) that provided all the database maintenance, customer
books and DA operator books/data for many operating companies in the
East and Midwest. In general, the DA books/tapes contained everyone's
name including the non-pubs, but not the numbers for those. Looking
at those books was surprising-- there were slews of non-pub entries,
sometimes up to a third or so-- particularly for Chesapeake & Potomoc
in the Wash D.C. area, of course.
Since we did the database maintenance too, for most opco's we actually
had the phone numbers of non-pubs, but for C&P we sure didn't! Think
how much one of us could have made by selling Congressmens' numbers!
The practise of listing non-pubs in the DA operators info is certainly
in effect at Mountain Bell: as part of political work this year I did
a lot of DA calling, and frequently the op would say "non-pub." I
don't think I ever got credit tho... Something to check out.
-Jay (also harpo!utah-cs!lepreau)
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Date: 24 Nov 1982 2038-PST
Sender: GEOFF at SRI-CSL
Subject: Cellular in the news.
From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
Reply-To: Geoff at SRI-CSL
n110 2025 23 Nov 82
BC-MARKETPLACE
(BizDay)
By DANIEL F. CUFF
c. 1982 N.Y. Times News Service
NEW YORK - Cellular radio, which holds the promise of making
phones in cars commonplace, is a technology that has been long in
coming but still holds tremendous potential profitability for
companies that eventually make a success of it.
Cellular radio is a radiotelephone system that divides, say, the
New York metropolitan area into small geographic cells, and through
computer switching ''hands off'' calls as a car moves from one cell to
another. The same frequencies can be used over and over within a given
area, vastly increasing the number of users from the current limited
system.
The system, which has applications for any portable phone, has
been in development for more than a decade by AT&T, Motorola and other
companies. The Federal Communications Commission has accepted
applications for licenses in the top 60 markets so far and some
analysts expect licenses to be granted within five months to a year.
A report by John S. Bain, Winston E. Himsworth and Susannah B.
Bristol of Lehman Brother Kuhn Loeb estimates that revenues for
equipment manufacturers could be expected to begin in late 1983 and
for systems operators, in 1984.
The report adds that there could be further delays as the FCC
struggles with the application and if there are court challenges to
the procedure.
Two licenses will be awarded in each market, one to a telephone
company and the other to what is called a nonwireline operator.
''This is the most exciting new area for the 1980s and will have a
major impact on Wall Street,'' said Stephen S. Weisglass, president of
Ladenburg, Thalmann & Co., the brokerage firm.
After all, there are more motor vehicles (160 million) than homes
in the United States and currently only one-tenth of 1 percent of the
vehicles are equipped with mobile telephones. Growth will be slowed at
first by the cost of the new phones, which some analysts estimate at
$150 a month. Further technological developments could bring that cost
down sharply, however.
''There is a much larger market than people are willing to admit
publicly to try to forestall competition,'' said one analyst, who did
not wish to be identified.
To give an idea of the potential, Weisglass said that in the Los
Angeles market, capital expenditures might be about $300 million for a
nonwireline operator to set up a system. ''We can see profits on a pro
forma basis starting in the third year of $120 million and those
profits should grow at a 40 percent annual rate,'' he said.
For the investor, however, there are few ''pure'' plays in
cellular radio, the Lehman Brothers report said. ''MCI, Metromedia and
Western Union may well all be major factors in the future marketing of
cellular service,'' it said, ''and Anaconda-Ericsson, Harris and
Nippon Electric may be major manufacturers.'' But cellular radio, it
added, will not be the business that determines the future of these
companies and many of the other players.
The report made only two recommendations, Communications
Industries, a carrier, and E.F. Johnson, a supplier - but Johnson is
now being taken over by Western Union.
Other companies have been taken over. Metromedia, for example,
bought up several companies, including Radiofone.
Some large companies have formed ventures with smaller companies
to get in on the cellular action. Millicom, for example, has put in
for 20 licenses, some in conjunction with Kansas City Southern
Industries and United Brands. Millicom's stock, on the
over-the-counter supplemental list, has moved from 5 to close to 10 in
the last month.
''The most leveraged opportunity for investors would be Graphic
Scanning,'' Weisglass said. Graphic Scanning, perhaps the largest
company in the paging business, is also a major and aggressive force
among the nontelephone applicants for cellular radio. It was the only
one, for example, that sought licenses for all 30 top markets when the
FCC accepted the first batch June7.
Applications for the second tier of 30 cities went in earlier this
month and on March 8 applications will be accepted for the rest of the
nation. The top 30 markets drew some 200 applicants and the second
tier close to 400.
The application picture may be eased in some of the markets if the
competing nontelephone applicants can get together. Smaller companies
might bow out in return for an equity position in a larger company,
for example.
nyt-11-23-82 2330est
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 1-Dec-82 21:05:03
Date: 1 Dec 1982 2105-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #135
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 2 December 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 135
Today's Topics: DTMF Decoding Using An A/D Converter
Touchtone Decoding
NJ Areacode Boundaries
Telephony Books
Eastern DA Standards
No Matter What Country, Everyone Complains About The Phone Company
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Date: 1 Dec 1982 0116-EST
From: Bob Iannucci <Iannucci at MIT-XX>
cc: Iannucci at MIT-XX, Sirbu at MIT-MC
Subject: DTMF decoding using an A/D converter
A much easier (but not necessarily cheaper) scheme is to use Mitel's
latest DTMF chip (MT8870) which they herald as a "third generation
single chip DTMF receiver with single 5V power supply". It is
packaged as an 18 pin DIP, and is claimed to interface easily to a
microprocessor data bus. This is a new chip with which I have no
experience, but I would suspect it is worth investigating. A nice,
flashy ad appeared in the latest (November 30) issue of Electronics,
p. 34.
Bob Iannucci
------------------------------
Date: 1 Dec 82 3:08:39-EST (Wed)
From: Ron Natalie <ron@BRL>
Subject: Touchtone decoding
While people are discussing touch tone decoding via various methods
let me put forward the WORST proposed way of doing it. This appeared
in the amatuer radion magazine QST a couple of years ago and signifies
it's declining technical quality. The circuit uses a large number
(greater than 24) of Phase Lock Loop tone decoders. In addition to
being more expensive in the long run than a commercial chip that does
everything, I can't seem to figure out why they need more than 24 tone
decoders. The twelve tones it decodes are made up of two tones each
so the most it could possibly use would seem to be 12 X 2 = 24.
However since there are really only 7 tones in use, you could get by
with 7 PLLs and 3 7400's. The article was submitted by a guy who
works for a company that sells etched PC boards, and was selling the
boards for the circuit in the article. Seems to me that his point was
to maximize the amount of PC board he could sell with each decoder.
-Ron
------------------------------
Date: 1 Dec 82 10:54:46-EST (Wed)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: NJ areacode boundaries
Because most NJ points do not require 1+ for DDD, I have checked as
many cases as I can of NJ local service across areacode boundaries.
If 1+ is not required for DDD, then I have a prefix which can't exist
in a certain areacode! Example: Trenton, NJ (609 area) has local
service to 215-295 Morrisville, Pa., and does not require 1+ for DDD;
therefore, there is no 609-295.
I wrote the above because I have not been able to get my hands on the
calling instructions for Barnegat, NJ (609 area), which has local
service to Toms River (201). I have seen the Ocean County directory,
but the only calling instructions I found were for Toms River, not for
Barnegat.
------------------------------
Date: 1 Dec 1982 12:51 EST
From: Axelrod.wbst at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #134 - Telephony Books
Speaking of telephony books, I've seen a number of references to a
Bell document called "Notes on The Network". Is that worthwhile
having, and does anybody know how to go about ordering it? Thanks.
Art Axelrod
------------------------------
Date: 1 Dec 1982 2308-EST
From: Hobbit <AWalker at RUTGERS>
Subject: Eastern DA standards
A while ago I managed to lay hands on a substantial piece of the local
directory that DA uses [This was back before they had the online
database]. It has *all* listings, but for those that aren't
published, there is a little ''NP'' where the number should go. This
thing was about 2 inches thick [white pages only], has something like
4 columns [so the paper is this large ungainly size], and except for
that looks like a regular phone book, same printing and all. When I
was working for them, I could see the lackeys going about during the
day distributing new pages that the operators would replace old pages
with. So, instead of telling you there is no listing for a NP number,
they can say it's nonpublished [and frustrate you even more].
_H*
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Date: 24 Nov 1982 1824-EST
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: No matter what country, everyone complains about
the phone company
[The following is a large (13K) article about the German Post Office
(which doubles as the phone company). This is the last message in
this digest, therefore readers not interested in this topic need not
read any further. --JSol]
Robbers from the Post Office
Stern, 18. November 1982
Tens of thousands of
citizens suspect that
the Post Office is
collecting excessive
Telephone charges.
There are 150,000 sources
of error which can lead
to overcharges on the
telephone bill.
The monthly drawing is not public. No official ensures that
the device is in proper working order. The twenty-two
million participants may only hope that they won't be one of
the losers in the great Telephone Fee Lottery at the German
Federal Post Office.
One of the unlucky ones is insurance salesman Ingomar
Nitsche in Schwelm. For months he got by for about 180
units at 23 Pfennig each. "Then suddenly I had to pay for
564 units, and I hadn't used the telphone anymore than
before," he said.
Things went much the same way for Irmhild Pawalek in
Ennepetal. For seven years the thrifty housewife spent
about 45 Marks per month. This summer the state telephone
company, blessed with profits in the billions, suddenly
demanded ten times as much. Frau Pawalek was said to have
telephoned away 461.45 Marks.
And Irmgard Fahrin, housewife in the Saarland, upon seeing
her telephone bill this April, wondered if she had actually
"congratulated every monkey in Africa on Mothers' Day." In
any case, she had no explanation for the 2058 units which
had been presented to her in the bill.
The three examples stand out from the tens of thousands of
citizens who feel they have been hit up by the Post Office.
83,000 complaints from telephone customers were recorded by
the Federal Postal Ministry just last year. Fully 23,000
times the yellow giant had to admit that it had snatched too
much from its customers.
Irmhild Pawalek got money back as well: 422.61 Marks. The
Post Office explained that a circuit malfunction was
present. The admission came late. Three complaints
remained fruitless for some time. Once the local paper had
reported about the "Post Office Robbers" an official
arrived, made a few calls from Frau Pawalek's set and
presented his employer with a certificate of good health:
"Everything totally in order."
Tough going for those who complain
Only after the Duesseldorf Consumer Center took up the case
and brought influence to bear upon the responsible telephone
office in Hagen did the Post Office agree to look more
thoroughly into the matter and finally to give in.
Technical malfunctions and human error during fee
calculation are the order of the day in telephone offices.
The Dortmund Area Headquarters admitted that there are
150,000 possible sources of error. The most common cause
are faulty connections in the lines and functional failures
in the switching apparatus.
For example, upon overhearing the conversation of another
user during a call, one must count on getting not only one's
own fees, but also the fee for the other call slapped onto
his meter. Technicians speak in such cases of "Crosstalk
suppression". The charge impulse from one timing machine
can run up both message registers.
Overcharges can also come about if a backhoe runs into a
Post Office cable. Then the charge impulse generator goes
crazy and annoys entire sections of town with extra charges.
The most common indication that something is foul:
crackling during the connection. Then it is recommended
that one immediately interrupt the call and dial again.
A further failure can surface when making calls to other
countries. As soon as the ringing of the desired party
begins in Denmark or Italy the charge impulses let loose.
This only becomes evident to an individual citizen when --
as happened to Hamburg postal customer Ewald Steinhoff --
the counter turned completely around. 227,624 Marks and 18
Pfennig was the amount the Hamburg Area Postal Headquarters
wanted from him. This record-making failure cleared itself
up rather rapidly.
But practically noone notices anything if he is burdened
with 20 or 30 Marks too much. The Union of Postal Users in
Offenbach presents a high figure. It estimates that a half
million bills containing overcharges are sent to postal
customers each year.
Those who complain don't have an easy procedure. The
disadvantaged customer, not the Post Office, must prove that
he kept his telephone calls short. Even the courts usually
start by assuming that the high telephone bill is correct.
As a rule, the Post Office need only claim that it found no
technical malfunctions when reviewing the case. The state
operation prefers to place blame for gigantic bills on third
parties: "The most common cases of presumable overcharges
can be traced back to secret calls made by children,
cleaning ladies, or neighbors who had the key to the
residence during a vacation."
There is something in that. An unguarded and unlocked
telephone leads to toll theft. And the peace at home is
disturbed when suddenly the demand from the telephone office
is higher than the monthly rent payment. But unlike the
case with the public utilities providing electricity, gas,
and water, the postal customer seldom has the opportunity to
check his usage on a tried and true meter.
The Post Office will, indeed, provide sets with meters.
However, what is displayed on the meter is not accepted by
the Post Office as proof. Manfred Bergman from the Federal
Post Ministry: "These meters are never as good as the
meters in the local exchange."
Maybe they aren't good, but they are expensive: 40 Marks
one-time installation charge and then every month the toy
costs another 5.70 Marks. The Union of Postal Users
nonetheless recommends your own meter. Director Wilhelm
Huebner recommends that in addition to that, every single
telephone call and the associated message units should be
noted in writing -- a piece of work that seems difficult to
demand. In court the postal customer still only has a real
chance when he can prove that a lock in the dial had made
misuse impossible.
Customers who make use of one of the new push button
dialling telephones have tough luck. These do not allow a
lock on the dial. The monopoly at the Post Office, which is
currently heavily advertising these convenient push button
devices, is not only improving its profits, but is also
improving its strong position of power against the users.
Customers are made subjects of the State Monopoly
The cornerstone of the postal monopoly was laid in 1595. In
that year Kaiser Rudolf II granted the Lord of Thurn and
Taxis the post of Head Postmaster-General. What the Lords
of Thurn and Taxis once were, is today the Postal Minister
in Bonn, currently Christian Schwarz-Schilling of the
Christian Democratic Union, who replaced the Social
Democrats Gscheidle and Matthoefer.
As in the Age of Empire, the citizens are not seen as
customers, but as subjects of the state monopoly. Then as
well as today no prices are requested for services, rather
fees are "levied."
The citizen still can't simply buy a telephone; he must
"apply" for one, and, if he is lucky, there will be no long
waiting time before one is loaned to him to be used
carefully and properly. Only in the last few years has the
subscriber been able to choose from a variety of sets, at a
higher price, it must be understood.
If the subscriber would like to have a longer cord, maybe
because his chair is seven meters away from the connection
box, the accomodation capability of the Post Office is
already exceeded: It cuts, by maxim, only lengths of at
least three and at most six meters from its cable drums.
Seven meters are beyond the rules -- and cost extra.
If the telephone wants to ring, then it must be allowed to
do so. The customer is forbidden by Postal-Edict to shut
off the bell if he would like to have some peace. Those who
do it anyway -- and many do -- run the danger that the
authority will shut off service.
"The right of the Post Office should stop outside the home"
One who has fought the almighty decrees of the Yellow
Monopoly for years is Engineer Ulrich Jochimsen from
Flensburg. He was advisor to three Postal Ministers and
Director of a scientific institute for communications
technology and systems research. Since then the engineer
has given up on reforming the Post Office from the inside.
Because, the communications expert says, "The word
'monopoly' means single. At the Post Office this has led to
single-mindedness."
The internationally trained specialist Joachimsen even sees
an unconstitutional reach into the private sphere of the
citizen in the operation of the Postal Monopoly: "The right
of the Post Office should stop outside the home." The
monopoly must restrict itself to the installation and
maintenance of a network. The customer must have the right,
as in other countries, to connect devices of his own
choosing at the end of the line: "After all, the electric
utilities don't have the idea that they should proscribe
which television set, which toaster, which iron, or which
heating pad can be used."
Jochimsen: "If the market were opened up here we would
create desperately needed jobs and might also again gain
technical advantage over other countries."
What is presumed impossible in the Federal Republic has long
been standard practice in the USA -- to the advantage of the
customers. There many private telephone companies compete
and can only remain in the market through high standards.
So the telephone customers in New York obtain detailed bills
for each telephone call. Complaints are, as a rule,
acknowledged without bureaucratic problems. Sets with all
technically possible finesse are available in every
department store. Naturally the collect call, eliminated in
the Federal Republic, is available, and at every street
corner there are telephone booths, at which one can also
receive calls.
Such a useful service is unknown here. Ulrich Jochimsen
believes he knows why: "That is a remainder from the Nazi
era. In that time the Gestapo wanted to prevent resisters
from being able to make contact with each other without
being overheard or identified." In Europe, with the
exception of the Federal Republic, only the East Bloc
retains this principle. The Federal Post Office argues:
"The telephone booths are there so that outgoing calls can
be made. If one could dial them, they would be tied up." In
order to eliminate growing criticism over their high-handed
customer tutelage, the Post Office has finally agreed to at
least start a trial of dialable telephone booths in
Frankfurt.
There are other things the Federal Post Office could also
learn from foreign postal authorities. In Denmark, for
example, overpayments at payphones do not immediately
disappear, never to be seen again. The device holds the
overpayment for further calls -- even for the next customer.
Here, whoever throws in a 1 Mark coin to make a 20 Pfennig
call hears his money rattle loudly, and then it's gone.
Telephone rates support the letter service
This 500,000 man company is more inventive than almost any
other undertaking when it comes to collecting money. The
Post Office even levies fees for authorizing delayed payment
of fees. On the balance sheets all this looks good. In
1981 the Post Office took altogether more than
24,000,000,000 Marks from its customers and used that to
support other services which, -- like the shipment of
letters or packages -- regularly operate at a loss.
This year the income from telephone charges will be even
higher. The CDU/CSU, which protested loudly against the
last rate increase, wanted to see the reduced
moonlight-tariff for calls after 10 PM reinstated, and did
not want to see the billions in profits ooze away in the
Federal budget, has suddenly changed its mind now that it is
in power.
The new Federal Postal Minister Schwarz-Schilling has
already made firm plans for using up the expected increased
revenue and is leaving everything else in addition to the
charges the same as before. Only one thing was promised:
Telephoning will not become more expensive -- at least not
until 1984.
Heiko Tornow
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 3-Dec-82 16:56:13
Date: 3 Dec 1982 1656-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #136
Sender: JSOL@USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Saturday, 4 December 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 136
Today's Topics: Query - How To Use InSprint
DTMF Decoding (2 msgs)
Directory Assistance After Divestiture
V & H Coordinate Tape Trivia - Area Code 218
Notes On The Network - Address To Order
Non Published Numbers & Directory Assistance Operators
"Telephony" Books
Modems And Call Waiting
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Date: 12/02/82 00:27:08
From: A2DEH@MIT-MC
Subject: InSprint
At the risk of appearing ignorant, how do you use it? I would
like to call someone who gave me their InSprint number. Do I find out
a local Sprint number and dial it, or what? Any tips on how to use
this?
-Don
(reply directly to me as I am not on the list. Thanks.)
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Date: 1 Dec 1982 2159-PST
From: Ian H. Merritt <MERRITT@USC-ISIB>
Subject: DTMF decoding
I have built a decoder using the MITEL MT8870 chip, and will comfirm
their claims of its ease of operation. It is very tolerent of
variations in the external component values, requires an easy-to-find
3.579545 MHz crystal, which is about $2.00 at radio shack, probably
less from suppliers. It is indeed easy to interface to a microcomputer
bus, and our little circuit worked the first time.
<>IHM<>
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Date: 2 Dec 1982 0926-PST
Sender: BILLW at SRI-KL
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest V2 #135
From: BILLW at SRI-KL
Indeed, the standard "poor man's" touch-tone decoder consists of 7-8
(the full touchtone pad is 4x4) 567 phase locked loops and some gates.
567s typically sell for around a buck (Jameco: .89)
These circuits frequently appear on the spec sheets of the 567
("typical application"), which you can probably pick up at your
friendly neighborhood distributer, or check out something like the
Signetics Analog applications hanbook...
BillW
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Date: 1 Dec 82 20:42:43-PST (Wed)
From: Mark Wadsworth <mw%uci@USC-ECL>
Subject: Directory assistance after divestiture
How will long-distance directory assistance which seems to be handled
when Bell isn't my long-distance server? Right now, I can call
anywhere free to find the phone number, Bell pays the directory
operators (or do they?), and then MCI gets the money when I make the
real call. For that matter, how is directory assistance handled now?
Do all the local phone companies contribute to a DA fund? Who runs
directory assistance?
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Date: 2 Dec 82 11:29:39-EST (Thu)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: 218 area
Most of the operator codes for 218 area (northern Minnesota) started
with 612! The exceptions were 14 prefixes routed via North Dakota
(701) and 555, routed via 218 and having the Duluth V&H coordinates
(although the Duluth exchanges had op. codes starting 612, as above).
------------------------------
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Ordering Notes on the Network
This is most definitely worth having!
Send $30 plus tax (they won't accept your order without local sales
tax) to:
Mary Ellison
Western Electric
Indiana Distribution Center
PO Box 26205
Indianapolis, Indiana 46226
317/265-3339
(This is a new address. Previously this was ordered from Greensboro.)
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Date: 2-Dec-82 20:33:26-PST (Thu)
From: pur-ee!davy@Berkeley
Subject: Non-published numbers
Here in Lafayette, Indiana (GTE unfortunately), directory assistance
apparently *does* have the actual numbers for "non-published"
customers. I tried calling a friend of mine who had recently moved,
and had gotten an unlisted number. I had lost the piece of paper I
had the new number on, and calling directory assistance basically got
me nowhere.
If you are really desperate (which I pretended to be), and you can
convince the operator that it is an emergency, she will call the
non-published number for you and tell the person on that end to call
you back (she won't just connect you, though). Of course, I believe
it is actually illegal to claim that you have a emergency when you
don't, but......
--Dave Curry
decvax!pur-ee!davy
pur-ee!davy@berkeley
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Date: 2 Dec 82 15:56:35 EST (Thu)
From: Steve Bellovin <smb.unc@UDel-Relay>
Subject: Telephony books
I've seen them listed in the Etco catalog, and have wondered the same
thing, but haven't purchased them (yet).
--Steve Bellovin
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Date: 2 December 1982 18:26 est
From: Jarrell.Advisor at M.PCO.LISD.HIS
Subject: Re: modems and call-waiting.
Reply-To: Jarrell.Advisor%PCO-Multics at MIT-MULTICS
The experience I've had with call-waiting is that the interrupting
party will only ring the phone if your modem happens to be designed
to hang-up it's end of the phone after the remote system hangs-up.
Call waiting only patches through the ringing if you hang up on one
party or the other. The remaining party is rung in then.
-Ron
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 12-Dec-82 15:18:39
Date: 12 Dec 1982 1518-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #137
Sender: JSOL@USC-ECLB
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TELECOM AM Digest Monday, 13 December 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 137
Today's Topics:
Billing Errors And Usage Sensitive Billing
Directory Assistance After Divestiture
Toll Stations - Calling Non-Dialable Locations
V & H Coord. Tape Trivia - Tie-In With Geography
Query - Calling Barnegat, NJ.
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Date: Thu Dec 2 1982 15:16:14 PST
From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@LBL-UNIX>
Subject: Billing errors and Usage Sensitive Billing
The recent article about inaccurate billing by the German P.O. reminds
me of an important local issue: General Telephone of California has
filed (at the PUC's *request*) a plan for the implementation of usage
sensitive billing for all local calls. I believe that the plan calls
for a phase-in of the plan starting sometime in '84 (it would have to
be phased-in since General could not handle such billing except in
their EAX offices). A similar filing by PacTel is expected shortly.
As usual, the typical statements about how "fair" it is to charge for
"local" calls have accompanied the proposal. I won't repeat the many
arguments regarding this issue that have aired in this digest in the
past.
In any case, since the telcos have no intention of regularly providing
itemized billing detail for local calls, it seems to me that we're
opening up a whole new area of possible billing errors. Who can
really keep track of how many total minutes of local calls they
actually made? And think of all the bad connections, wrong numbers,
and similar events that you ignore now but that you'd be getting
*charged* for under a usage sensitive plan...
I doubt if any sort of "limit" on the maximum local charges is being
proposed for the California plan.
I have grave doubts about how successfully this plan can be fought
here in California, and you can be sure that the rest of the country
will follow quickly if the plan is implemented here.
Offhand, I can only see three ways to "deal" with such proposals
(assuming you are not a fan of usage sensitive billing on local
calls):
1) Fight the proposal at the PUC. (Always a thrill. I've spoken at
informal PUC hearings in the past; they're always a whole bunch
of fun. Sigh.)
2) Make sure that your telephone service is provided by older Step by
Step offices that are *not* scheduled for early cutover to ESS/EAX.
This might buy you a year or two extra of flat rate service.
3) Start planning now for local full-duplex radio networks. These
could be used for both voice communications and for data
communications by remote terminal users. Note that the currently
existing ham "packet radio" plans would not seem to be suitable for
many online data tasks, since the packet plans are essentially
half-duplex message switching mechanisms. Still, they might
provide a starting point for further development.
All in all, not very encouraging.
--Lauren--
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Date: 9 December 1982 09:26-EST
From: Jeffrey Krauss <KRAUSS at MIT-MC>
Subject: Directory Assistance after Divestiture
There is really no specially-identified service as "long distance
directory assistance." DA is a service of the local telephone company
that is provided to any requesting caller, regardless of his/her
location. Compensation does depend upon many factors, however. For
calls made over AT&T Long Lines, compensation comes either through
Settlements (for Independents) or Division of Revenues (for BOCs).
For calls made over MCI or SP, compensation to the local telephone
company comes through ENFIA, COATS or whatever the access charge is
called. Compensation is on a statistical average basis, rather than
for each DA inquiry individually. In the future, the local telcos
will be compensated by whatever access charge plan the FCC adopts.
This would be true even if there were no divestiture of BOCs. The
actual operation of a DA service is typically based on local agreement
between Bell and Independent telcos.
---Jeff Krauss---
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Date: 9-Dec-82 20:51:22 PST (Thursday)
From: Hamilton.es at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Toll Stations
To: John Covert <RSX-DEV @ DEC-MARLBORO>
Could you explain some of the black magic behind calling a Toll
Station? If I want to call Deep Springs #2 out of Bishop, California,
I (or some sort of information operator) has to tell the operator
something like "numbers: mark 887 225 routing: 619+054+181". This
gets her to the Bishop operator, who knows how to ring one long, three
short, so that the right toll station will answer. 619 is the area
code, but what does the other stuff mean? And how come I can't dial
the Bishop operator directly? There are some parts of the country
where it's hard to convince an operator that such places as Deep
Springs exist.
--Bruce
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Date: 10 Dec 1982 0419-EST
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: Hamilton.es at PARC-MAXC
Subject: Re: Toll Stations
The "Mark" is a fake first six digits which points into the Rate&Route
database in order to pull up a Vertical and Horizontal coordinate so
you can be charged the appropriate rate for Deep Springs #2. For toll
stations the Mark usually begins with 8xx. For real towns, like
Bryant Pond, the mark is the NPA+NXX which will eventually be assigned
to that exchange when it becomes dialable.
The routing is what your operator has to dial in order to get you
connected to the appropriate operator to handle the call. You are not
permitted to dial the Bishop operator directly because the billing has
to be done locally. The Bishop operator would not be able to know
where you are calling from.
Just the other night I was discussing with some people why something
isn't done to make "everywhere" dialable. For example, Deep Springs
#2 could be assigned a dialable NPA-NXX-xxxx, which would somehow
directly ring the toll station (even if some weird ringing arrangement
were required). The answer is simply that as long as it is either
cheaper to handle the call manually than to build hardware to handle
it automatically or still physically impossible to, the phone company
has no reason to go to great lengths to eliminate operator handling.
------------------------------
Date: 8 Dec 82 11:17:52-EST (Wed)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: tie-in with geography
The following are presented in ascending order of precision
(descending order of size of land area), with example from Newark,
Del. shown in parentheses: telephone area code (302)
1st 3 digits of zipcode (197)
telephone prefix (731)
5-digit zipcode (19711)
9-digit zipcode (don't know)
The pattern in rural areas is that each major town and the surrounding
area have only one phone prefix.
The larger the city, the more likely it is to have distinction between
city & suburban exchanges. E.g.: If you're on 215-835 & 839,
Bala-Cynwyd (Phila. rates), you do NOT get Phila. police by calling
911.
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Date: 9 Dec 82 14:14:59-EST (Thu)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Where to find...
A while ago, I wrote of wanting calling instructions for Barnegat, NJ.
I have not been able to obtain them. Any hints?
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Mail-From: JSOL created at 15-Dec-82 16:32:45
Date: 15 Dec 1982 1632-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #138
Sender: JSOL@USC-ECLB
To: TELECOM: ;
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TELECOM AM Digest Thursday, 16 December 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 138
Today's Topics: Callular Radio Making Headlines
How To Get Dialing Instructions
Machines Making Telephone Calls
Modular Plugs and "Curly" Cords
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Date: 24 Oct 1982 1434-PDT
Sender: GEOFF at SRI-CSL
Subject: Cellular Article on the Chicago grant.
From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
To: wb4jbx at SRI-CSL
By Mark Brown
(c) 1982 Chicago Sun-Times (Field News Service)
The Federal Communications Commission gave American Telephone &
Telegraph Co. the go-ahead Thursday to begin building a cellular
mobile telephone system in Chicago.
The commission's action opens the way for Chicago to become the
first city in the nation with the revolutionary system that is
expected to increase the use of portable telephones greatly.
An AT&T spokesman said the company hopes to have the service
available by late 1983.
The FCC decision came as a major disappointment to a pair of firms
vying for a chance to compete with AT&T in the Chicago market: Graphic
Scanning Co. and Rogers Radio Communication Services Inc.
They had sought a delay to keep AT&T subsidiary AMPS Inc. (Advance
Mobile Phone Services) from getting what they have termed an unfair
''head start.''
The FCC plans to allow only two cellular systems per city and had
already decreed that half of the radio frequencies being made
available would be reserved for local telephone companies.
The telephone companies have negotiated agreements between
themselves so that only one application was made from each city for
their half of the spectrum. All other applicants were left to fight
among themselves for the lone remaining license, a process that could
require lengthy FCC hearings.
The other applicants, generally radio paging companies, say they
fear the AT&T will be dominating the market before they can get a
chance to put their systems into action.
Bud Kahn, executive vice president of Rogers Radio Communication
Co., one of the companies in the portable phone chase, complained that
AT&T will have a ''double head start'' in Chicago because it is
already operating an experimental cellular system here. He said AMPS
will have the advantage of being able to retain the 2,000 customers
who participate in that experimental system.
Kahn said he expects the cellular phone service market in Chicago
to attract between 100,000 and 200,000 users and have a value in
excess of $100 million.
Its attraction is that it will make mobile phone service available
to a great many more people. The cellular system will also provide
technically superior service and privacy, both of which are lacking in
present mobile systems.
The FCC sought to calm those complaining about AT&T's ''head
start'' by stipulating that AMPS will not be able to begin serving
customers until it finishes its construction and applies for an
operator's license.
But the complainants said they doubted the FCC would allow AT&T to
invest the necessary $18 million for construction and equipment and
then tell the company it would have to wait to use it.
''We trust that there will not be any other delays,'' AT&T
spokesman Pic Wagner said.
The FCC has urged Graphic Scanning and Rogers Radio to make some
sort of settlement between themselves, Kahn said. However, no talks
have taken place, he said.
END
nyt-10-22-82 0452edt
**********
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Date: 14 Dec 1982 1341-EST
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
To: cmoore at BRL
Subject: Calling instructions
The best way to get calling instructions is to call the business
office (collect). Your request reminded me that I had been curious
about local calling between Falmouth (617-548 and 540) and Naushon
Island (617-299). Naushon Island is a privately owned island whose
residents own the Elizabeth Islands Telephone Company. This company
has lines and telephones, but no switching equipment. Their calls are
switched by the Number 5 XBar in Falmouth, but it is not a local call,
even though it is within the same machine. (Also, for customers with
Bay State Service, which allows two hours of calling to "anywhere" in
Massachusetts with additional minutes at a very low rate, Naushon
Island is still toll.)
From Barnegat, NJ, the following exchanges are a local call:
Toms River (201) 240,244,255,269,270,341,349,929
Tuckerton (609) 296
Beach Haven (609) 492,494
Barnegat (609) 597,693,698,971
For all local calls, only seven digits are required. There are no
ambiguities, since the 201 codes in Toms River are all unassigned
in 609. These are known as "protected codes" and reduce the total
number of NXXs available in a given area. When 415 and 408 ran
short on codes, the dialing plan was changed to require the NPA
on local calls to the other NPA.
------------------------------
Date: 14 Dec 82 17:26:36-EST (Tue)
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL>
cc: cmoore at BRL
Subject: phone call FROM machine!
Previously, I've heard of machines which dial an entire sequence of
phone numbers to play advertising messages via recording; such things
reach EVERYTHING on the phone system including prisons, unlisted #'s,
etc. (Do some of these not permit hanging up, possibly delaying an
emergency call you want to make right then?)
What prompts this message: I placed an order by visiting a store's
catalog department, and was told that a machine makes the calls
notifying customer that the order is in. Because I have an answering
service, I had to tell the sales people that it was people, not a
machine, answering the phone. (The store's machine can't send a
message to an answering set.) I got the message OK (" <store name>
called, your order is in") from switchboard operator.
------------------------------
Date: 13 Dec 1982 0656-PST
From: Gene Autrey-Hunley <Autrey-Hunley at SRI-KL>
Subject: Modular Plugs and Curly Cords
cc: AUTREY-HUNLEY at SRI-KL
Have you ever noticed that the modular plugs for a phone's handset and
for its line cord (= the "wall" connection cord) are different sizes?
Why?
The only explanation I can imagine is that the size difference is to
prevent accidental insertion of the line cord into the jack intended
for the handset. If that's true, is there some reason (potential
damage to the phone or something else) for Bell wanting to prevent
such accidents from happening?
(Note that the smaller handset modular plug can be inserted into the
line cord jack, or for that matter, even directly into a wall mounted
modular jack even though it may not work properly.)
Finally, why isn't there a curly cord made for the line cord? For
some applications, a curly line cord would be much less bothersome
than the traditional "extension" cords.
--Gene
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Date: 16 Dec 1982 2142-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #139
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TELECOM AM Digest Friday, 17 December 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 139
Today's Topics:
Customer Provided Equipment - Not For Party Lines
Just How Private Is Cellular?
Hotel Surcharges Going Haywire At Disneyland
Coiled Vs. Straight Cords - Maximum Length
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Date: 15 Dec 1982 at 1817-CST
From: Keith Pyle <pyle@UTEXAS-11>
Subject: Radio Shack phones & party lines
The Radio Shack telephones (e.g., Slim-Fone UDS #43-332) indicate that
they are not to be used on party lines. Is this related to the
telephone's inability to tell if the ring signal is for it or another
party, or is there another incompatibility? Could the RS phone be used
with the bell disabled?
My parents bought one of the RS units for a relative who is on a
4-party line and, when they took it back, all the RS folks could say
was "The box says 'Not for party lines'".
(Replies to me, please; the Digests have been several days in arriving
lately.)
Thanks.
Keith Pyle
(pyle@utexas-11)
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Date: Wednesday, 15 December 1982 22:07-EST
Sender: GAVAN at MIT-OZ
From: GAVAN at MIT-MC
Its [cellular phone service's] attraction is that it will make
mobile phone service available to a great many more people. The
cellular system will also provide technically superior service and
privacy, both of which are lacking in present mobile systems.
Perhaps I'm missing something about cellular. How does cellular
enhance privacy? Is it just that a potential eavesdropper would
have to be listening in to the right "cell" or area of town? Or
is there something more sophisticated about cellular that makes it
more private?
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Date: 16 Dec 1982 1246-EST
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Massive hotel surcharges
While at DECUS at the Disneyland Hotel in Anaheim last week, I noticed
that the hotel uses a local accounting system for long distance calls
placed from the rooms.
I noticed this by noting that 8+1+NPA+NXX+XXXX went through without a
request for my room number. Although this could mean that the hotel
had either Automatic Identified Outward Dialing or a CO-CENTREX, I did
not believe that either AIOD or CENTREX was the case. It was clear
that there was no CO CENTREX because all the characteristics of a
local PBX were present. Determining for sure that there was no AIOD
was not so easy. To do this, I placed a call to a number I knew would
not answer and let it ring for three minutes before hanging up.
Upon checkout, there was a charge on my bill for a three minute call.
The hotel removed it from the bill with no argument when I told them
that I had let it ring for a long time.
Later, I looked at the charge. The hotel has a sticker on the front
of the phone stating that they will charge one dollar in addition to
the rate charged by the telephone company on all long distance calls.
They had charged me 4.59 for a three minute call at 23:44. This
seemed a bit high. So I checked on the rates:
1. Direct Dial rate after 11PM:
1st Minute 0.29
2 add'l at 0.20 0.40
----
0.69
1% Tax 0.01
----
0.70
Hotel Charge 1.00
----
1.70
This seems to be the correct rate they should have charged.
It would make money for them, the phone company, and me (since
it is a nickel cheaper than a credit card call).
2. Direct Dial Operator assisted rate after 11PM
1st Minute 1.84
2 add'l at 0.20 0.40
----
2.24
1% Tax 0.02
----
2.26
Hotel Charge 1.00
----
3.26
This is what they should have charged if they intend to charge
the rate the phone company charges hotels with HOBIC service
plus a dollar. This is a rip-off for the customer, since they
say that they are charging only $1 more than the phone company
rate. If they use this rate, they are charging $2.55 more
than the direct dial rate. They are in fact getting the
service at direct dial rates or lower (since they can use MCI,
SBS, or whoever to handle the calls).
3. Operator assisted day rate
1st Minute 2.29
2 add'l at 0.49 0.98
----
3.27
1% Tax 0.03
----
3.30
Hotel Charge 1.00
----
4.30
This is the most they could have possibly charged me, based on
the information in the room. But, in fact, they charged
$4.59, which is a bit more than even this.
I talked to the Assistant Controller at the hotel, who told me that he
would contact their communications company which has the billing
system. I am awaiting a written response. Other people staying in
the hotel told me of absurd rates they were charged, such as more than
$6 for a two minute call into Los Angeles.
Up until about 18 months ago, hotels were not allowed to add any
surcharges to telephone rates. All calls were placed through
operators at the phone company operator assisted rate. The phone
company notified the hotel of the charge by either calling the hotel
or by sending the charge to a hard copy terminal. The phone company
paid the hotel a 15% commission for handling calls. In order to
foster competition, the FCC now allows hotels to do what they want
with long distance calls, both in terms of routing and charging.
Making telephone calls from hotels has become a dangerous practice.
If you are going to be in a hotel for a week and intend to use the
phone a lot, it now pays to have your own phone installed!
[That of course assumes the Hotel will let you! --JSol]
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Date: 15 Dec 82 21:03:03-EST (Wed)
From: Ron Natalie <ron@BRL>
Subject: Curly Cords
I think you hit the nail right on the head about the difference in
phone cord plug sizes. Although there may not be any adverse effects
from plugging things into the wrong holes (other than the instrument
not working), it is probably to cut down on the confusion over which
cable goes in which holes.
As for curly cords for the phone to wall jack connection. These are
made. I bought a TeleConcepts Smalltalker phone from TPC and it comes
with only one cord (this is one of these "hang-up on any surface", one
piece phones) which has the larger moduler plug that goes from the
phone to the wall. It is a normal straight cord for about eight feet
and then becomes curly for about aonther six feet (contracted). I
guessed that the coiled side is for the phone end of the cable,
although it really makes no difference. However, I've never seen
these cords sold seperately.
-Ron
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Date: 16 Dec 1982 14:42:38-EST
From: Christopher A. Kent <cak@Purdue>
Reply-to: cak@Purdue
Subject: Curly cords and modular plugs
Why can't I plug my line cord into the handset? Because Bell is afraid
of being sued. The reason is that they have placed a restriction on
the length of the cord from the base to handset, to avoid lawsuits
from people who trip over cords and hurt themselves. I've gotten the
runaround on this a number of times. We used to have an "old-style"
(no modular plugs) wall phone in the kitchen. We special ordered a 15'
straight cord, which we were told had to be specially made AT WESTERN!
This was the limit, and we had to sign a statement that we wouldn't
take legal action for any damages that might be cause by this cord.
Some years ago, our phone broke and was replaced with a modular unit.
The operating company (Cincinnati Bell) wouldn't give us a long cord;
we were stuck with the standard curled one. I begged, pleaded,
cajoled, threatened, to no avail. Finally I bought a long line cord
and took a grinder to the cord and made my own. Works just fine, but I
don't know if I'll be able to get it replaced when it breaks.
A pretty stupid situation, overall.
Cheers,
chris
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Date: 26 Dec 1982 1624-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #140
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TELECOM AM Digest Monday, 27 December 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 140
Today's Topics:
Registration Program And Party Lines
Legalities - Owning Long Cords Vs. Renting Them
Alternative Long Distance Carrier Question
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Date: Friday, 17 Dec 1982 07:40:01-PST
From: RHEA::CASTOR::J_COVERT%Shasta at SU-Score
Subject: The registration program and party lines
The registration program does not permit installation of registered
sets by the user on party lines because the interface is not always a
simple two-wire interface.
On some party lines, the central office determines which party is
making the call (for billing purposes) by measuring the circuit
parameters of the phone at the end of the line. This can take several
forms, the most common of which is a ground test, to see whether the
bell is between ground and the ring or tip side of the line.
Since setting this sort of thing up properly requires the set to be
opened and wires to be moved, only the phone company is allowed to do
this.
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Date: 17 Dec 82 9:12:40-PST (Fri)
From: Mark Wadsworth <mw%uci@USC-ECL>
Subject: Long curly cords
Chris Kent complains that the phone company won't let him have a long
handset cord. At the Pacific Telephone Phone Center stores here, they
sell curly cords in 6, 12, and 25 foot lengths. Something must have
changed, because about a year ago I asked for a replacement for a
replacement for a long wall cord and they told me they didn't supply
them any more, for the legal reasons mentioned by Chris. Maybe I take
responsibility for the hazard by owning it myself.
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Date: 19 Dec 1982 2331-PST
From: ROODE at SRI-NIC (David Roode)
Subject: alternative long distance carrier question
Location: EJ296 Phone: (415) 859-2774
Who can tell me if Sprint and MCI enforce a ban on use of their
services for intrastate connections? I understand ITT City Call does
not.
[At least in Los Angeles, both Sprint and MCI don't enforce the ban.
Apparently, someone claimed that the call goes interstate physically,
and because of that dispite the fact that the destination and source
are in the state, it is an interstate call. ITT used to enforce it,
but now has stopped doing so. In Hartford, CT., you can call numbers
local to other Connecticut switches, but you can't use it to make
calls local to Hartford (my mother lives in a fringe area of the
Hartford Local Calling area, and wants to call a number which is local
to Hartford but toll for her. In LA you can make any call you want.
--JSol]
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Date: 20 Dec 1982 1249-PST
Sender: GEOFF at SRI-CSL
Subject: Privacy of Cellular mobile phone service.
From: the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow
Reply-To: Geoff at SRI-CSL
To: Gavan at MC
Your question is best answered by comparing the aspects of cellular
mobile phone service to the "traditional" mobile phone service(s) that
exist today:
--- Coverage area.
In today's mobile phone services, the object is to cover the widest
area possible on each channel/frequency. Hence, you can
"hear"/"listen in" on a conversation over a very wide area. This
makes for poor frequency reuse, as you might imagine.
However, with cellular, the object is high frequency reuse, where the
coverage area of any single channel will be between ~1 and ~8 miles.
So, in a sense, your conversation is being compartmentalized into
smaller coverage areas. If one wanted the ability to listen in on any
phone conversation, they would need to have a reciever placed within
the coverage area of each "cell" a given cellular service area might
cover.
--- Hand-Off.
In today's mobile phone service, there is no hand-off. When you get
on the channel, by the virtue that the high powered transmitter covers
a large area, you stay on it until you are done (or drop out of its
coverage area).
With cellular, however, depending on the coverage area of a given
"cell" and your mobility during a conversation, you can be
"handed-off" to another pair of frequencies in another cell any number
of times. In order for someone to follow your conversation, if they
were so inclined, they would firstly, have to have synthesized
recievers placed within the coverage areas of the cells they wished to
monitor. All of the synthesized recievers would then have to be
linked back to a central monitoring station. When a call of interest
is detected, they would have to listen in for the data burst the cell
sends out to direct the mobile to retune to a new pair of frequencies.
The central monitoring station would then have to slurp up this data
burst, and also "know" which cell they belonged to and tune into the
new pair in that cell. Messy & complicated as you an see.
--- No manual units.
Today's mobile phones (usually) have two operating modes. One is
"automatic" (Direct-Dial) and the other is "manual" (Operator places
call). Hence, even when operating in an automatic, direct-dial
system, where you do not "listen in" on the channel to see if it is
not in use (as you would in a "manual system"), you can just flip a
switch and change your unit from operating in "automatic" mode to
operate in "manual" mode, which then allows you to "listen in" and
monitor conversations.
However, with cellular, there is no such thing as manual placed calls
or service. Everything is directly dialed, and hence, the mobile
units, both car mounted and portable, are only capable of
automatic/direct-dial operation and there is no provision/capability,
to change the unit to operate in a "manual mode" and listen in on any
channel as.
--- Current scanners.
800 MHz is a bit more private than 450 or 150 MHz in that the scanners
available today for around $300, at least that I have seen, haven't
had an 800 MHz capability (YET!).
--- Summary.
If you have a scanner which can pick up 800 MHz, then you can listen
in on cellular phone conversations. However, any given phone
conversation would have to stay within the coverage area of the cell
you are in (i.e. not hand-off) in order for you to listen to it from
beginning to end. Second, given the smaller coverage area of a given
cell and the greater number of channels, listening in on calls is
going to be harder. And finally, given the fact that the mobile units
themselves will not have a "manual" capability, users will be
prevented from evesdropping via their mobile sets.
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Date: Wednesday, 22 Dec 1982 14:36:28-PST
From: ELROND::C_STRUTT
Reply-to: "ELROND::C_STRUTT c/o" <RHEA::CASTOR::J_COVERT%Shasta at Sumex-Aim>
Subject: More phone overcharging. Both Disney and New England Telephone
Hi John, I saw a copy of your note on phone charges at Disneyland, and
I thought I'd let you know what I noticed. One of the calls I made
was to Pasadena, and I had checked the phone book - it told me I would
get charged $0.24. I assumed I would get charged $1.24 or thereabouts
because of the hotel surcharge. Boy, was I surprised when I checked
my bill and found the charge listed as $3.96!!! I haven't complained
to the hotel (I have already paid the bill of course) but I would be
interested to know if you have found out anything more.
Another thing - you mentioned that you got charged for a 3 minute call
that never answered. This is interesting, because on my last home
phone bill, I was charged for 5 separate one minute calls to
California in November - my wife phones here brother from time to
time. In each case, the phone was not answered - we complained to the
telephone company and they agreed without question to drop the
disputed charges. However, given what happened to you I am beginning
to wonder if the the phone company (or maybe just Pacific Bell) have a
good thing going - after all, who usually checks their whole bill. I
would like to hear your views on this.
Colin
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Date: Wednesday, 22 Dec 1982 14:40:37-PST
From: CASTOR::D_DONCHIN
Reply-to: "CASTOR::D_DONCHIN c/o" <RHEA::CASTOR::J_COVERT%Shasta at Sumex-Aim>
Subject: N. E. Tel in New Hampshire won't allow mixed flat/message service
For your interest, just got into a little squabble with the phone
company. I have two phone numbers in my house for which I get two
distinct bills. One phone I use for personal calls, while the other
is used for the modem. Because I use the modem heavily, I have the
regular billing on that phone line, where I get unlimited local calls
for a flat fee. However I noticed that I don't use the other number
much, and in fact I received a brochure with my last bill that spoke
about the advantages of message unit billing. So I asked the phone
company to change the billing of one number to message units, which
they refused to do if I kept the other number without that same type
of billing. Thus they are forcing me to pay for service I don't need
or want on one of my numbers, for which I receive a separate bill
anyway. Sometimes you can get very frustrated dealing with those
people.
Thanks for listening,
Dale
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Date: 27 Dec 1982 1814-PST
From: Jon Solomon <TELECOM at USC-ECLB>
Subject: TELECOM Digest V2 #141
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TELECOM AM Digest Tuesday, 28 December 1982 Volume 2 : Issue 141
Today's Topics:
Administrivia - Bad Reply-To Addresses
Different Numbered Billing Rates
Classes Of Service And Restrictions
Query - Type Of Local Central Office
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Date: 26 Dec 1982 2103-EST
From: Alyson L. Abramowitz <ALA at MIT-OZ>
Subject: Bad Addresses in Telecom
Jon:
I'm not sure if your realized this, but the last TELECOM Digest
contained a number of addresses which are not viable to use for a
personal responce. All the addresses contained
"RHEA::CASTOR::J_COVERT%Shasta at SU-Score".
While I'm sure this was the exact address you got the messages from,
unfortunately you've hit into a multi-network addressing software bug.
As you may be aware there is now a gateway between the ENet and
USEnet. Messages can be addressed over this link from the ARPAnet by
sending them via USEnet. Unfortunately, the software providing the
gateway currently has a bug in it which creates addresses which cannot
be replied to on EITHER side of the gateway.
A message coming from the ENet to USEnet gateway is easily recogized
by it's address which always starts with RHEA::, includes either
%Shasta or @Shasta and ends with "at SU-SCORE" or "at SUMEX-AIM".
Unfortunately to reply back you need a TO: field of the form:
decwrl!<site>::<user>@shasta@SUMEX-AIM
where SU-SCORE could be substituted for SUMEX-AIM
(except that SCORE
is down for two weeks), <site> is the host of recipient, and <user> is
the username of the recipient.
For example, the message from "RHEA::CASTOR::J_COVERT%Shasta at
SU-SCORE" should really read "decwrl!CASTOR::J_COVERT@SHASTA at
SU-SCORE".
You may want to change these addresses or at least be aware of the
problem if someone complains they can't respond.
Best,
Alyson
PS The problem is with the stanford software providing the USEnet end
of the link and has been reported. Supposedly it will be fixed in the
next release from Shasta.--ala
[I am posting this as information which readers might need to know
when replying to messages. I will watch out for this in the future.
--JSol]
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Date: 27 Dec 1982 0631-PST
From: Chris <Pace at AFSC-SD>
Subject: Different Numbered billing rates
This is in response to Dale message about billing rates.
Whereas, I cannot speak to N. E. Tel situation, in the Los
Angeles area, I have two telephone numbers on different billings for
the same reasons that you mentioned (ie one for personal calls and one
for modem calls). I have message unit service on the personal line
and unlimited for the modem line. The only restriction that we have
is that if you have unlimited service in the same residence, you must
have at least 60 msg unit service, rather than the slightly cheaper 30
msg unit service. Our telco is Pacific Tel.
Chris.
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Date: 27-Dec-82 1752-PST
From: Jon Solomon <JSol at USC-ECLC>
Subject: Measured Service, Lifeline, Unlimited Service, etc.
What the telephone company provides in your area is usually a
combination of what is demanded of it, and what is "cost effective" to
provide. In areas where there is a large investment of Step-by-step
switching, it is unreasonably expensive to provide timed measured
service, although untimed measured service is possible.
I will discuss 3 types of service:
Untimed Unlimited - This type of service allows as many calls as you
like within your local calling area. The charge for these calls is
expected to be included in the basic rate for the service, but in
practice is usually recovered from long distance charges, directory
assistance, installation charges, and whatnot. All types of switching
support this form of service, including those that aren't direct dial.
Untimed Measured - This is a type of service where you pay by the
call, like a coin phone, for local calls, but you can talk as long as
you like (note: some areas have timed coin phone calls also.) Older
switching can only support this form of measured service, because
this only requires a counter on your line to count how many calls
you complete.
Timed Measured - This service is the most lucrative for phone
companies. Most switching forms can handle this easily. Step-By-Step
switching is the only form of switching where it is not cost effective
to time and measure calls. Pacific telephone is doing it in Los
Angeles (and in other areas as well), but not on local calls (on "zone
calls") and I can only imagine the headaches and cost of implementing
it on that form of switching. You pay by the call, and per minute (or
per 5 minutes).
"Lifeline" service - this is not actually a form of service, but was
intended as a solution to a social/political problem. People were
complaining that they could not afford the "high" cost of phone
service, yet felt entitled to service, forced all the phone companies
to implement *some* form of measured service that would not cost quite
as much as normal "unlimited" service. This was interpreted
differently in each area, depending on the phone companies ability to
provide one of the services listed above, and whether or not they
already provided a viable alternative. The way you know this service
is in affect is that the service rep won't let you mix it with other
forms of service. In some areas that means not even two lifeline
phones, in others it just means you can't mix them, but you can have
more than one.
In the Pacific Telephone case, Lifeline is the 30 call service, you
can't have more than one line (even if it is also lifeline) and "Timed
Measured" service is allowed to mix with flat rate (unmeasured)
service in normal situations.
General Telephone, on the other hand, has "Lifeline" (they call it MLS
for Measured Local Service), and unlimited, and you can't mix them.
This is due to the fact that they have mostly Step-By-Step exchanges,
and can't support all the measured traffic they would like.
In New Hampshire (New England Telephone) "measured" service is the
lifeline. In Boston, Mass (also NET) you can get both Timed Measured,
and Unmeasured in the same house, and Measured was considered cheap
enough to satisfy the "Lifeline" people.
In New York city, their standard service is untimed measured, and
allows 75 calls. You can get the same form of service, without the
allowance for $2.50, so that was considered reasonable. They have no
restrictions on class of service.
In Connecticut (Southern NE Telephone - 18% owned by Bell), they have
"Lifeline" as untimed measured service, and you can not mix that with
flat rate service, but you can have more than one measured line (my
father has 2 and loves it).
This information is changing rapidly, with the conversion of areas
from mechanical to electronic switching, and with the divestiture on
Jan 1st of AT&T and the subsequent deregulation of the phone company,
there should be some interesting changes in all areas. Keep us
informed of the changes in your area, by mailing to TELECOM@USC-ECLB.
Cheers,
[--JSol--]
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Date: 27-Dec-82 12:27:35-EST (Mon)
From: cbosgd!mark@Berkeley (Mark Horton)
Subject: type of local central office
Anybody have an algorithm for determining what kind of central office
a given phone is on (e.g. #1ESS, #5 Xbar, SxS, etc?) Over Christmas I
go to Youngstown to visit and half the time I can't get through. (My
father in law says it's because the tomato can is being used.) Modem
calls fail 2 out of 3 times, when I dial I have to disconnect the
modem to prevent it from "detecting carrier" halfway through the
number being dialed, touch tone is not available. Over Christmas, I
could dial 1+one or two digits of the area code before getting a busy
signal. And once, I dialed the number (in Eastern Washington), got an
operator who wanted my phone number, which I gave her, then got a
recording telling me all circuits were busy. This area is served by
Bell, not GTE, and normally they do not ask for my number when I dial
direct. 0+ works. Is it step by step or might it be something else?
[If you get a busy signal after dialing two digits of an area code,
then it's probably Step-By-Step switching. Bell is not perfect either,
just better than GTE in California (opinion.) --JSol]
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