MR. BOXHALL: I saw several of the boats ­ in fact all of the lifeboats ­ when I was in my boat, which had lighted lamps in them.
SENATOR SMITH: Had lamps in them?
MR. BOXHALL: Had lamps in them ­ before I saw the Carpathia.
SENATOR SMITH: Before you saw the Carpathia?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Where were those lights displayed?
MR. BOXHALL: I was not close enough to see.
SENATOR SMITH: Where would they be displayed ­ on the forward end?
MR. BOXHALL: Usually by the man who steers the boat.
SENATOR SMITH: Back of the tiller?
MR. BOXHALL: In the bottom of the boat, not back of the tiller­­
SENATOR SMITH: I do not mean back of the tiller, but back near the tiller?
MR. BOXHALL: Just in the bottom of the boat. I could see the reflection of the lights; I did not see the lights themselves.
SENATOR SMITH: But you are not ready to say that they all had lights burning, are you?
MR. BOXHALL: No; not that they all had lights burning; but I saw several.
SENATOR SMITH: Now, Mr. Boxhall, did you personally become acquainted with any of the American passengers on that boat?
MR. BOXHALL: On what boat?
SENATOR SMITH: On the Titanic?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir; not until after the accident. After we got on board the Carpathia I met one or two.
SENATOR SMITH: But were you aware at any time between Southampton and the place of this accident of the presence on shipboard of a large number of Americans?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you at any time learn who they were?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes; by glancing through the passenger list.
SENATOR SMITH: Can you tell any names that you now particularly recall?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes; I recall that Col. Astor and his wife were aboard.
SENATOR SMITH: You recall that you saw Col. Astor's name on this list?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you personally see him or his wife?
MR. BOXHALL: I have seen him walking on the top deck.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know who he was?
MR. BOXHALL: One of the officers ­ I think it was one of the officers who told me.
SENATOR SMITH: Any other Americans?
MR. BOXHALL: No; I do not know any others that I could name.
SENATOR SMITH: Any Canadians of prominence?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Or any other passengers of prominence, or any other passengers at all whose name you remember?
MR. BOXHALL: No; I do not remember the names of them.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see Col. Astor after this collision occurred?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Or his wife?
MR. BOXHALL: I never saw his wife at all.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know what part of the ship they were in?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir; I have not the slightest idea.
SENATOR SMITH: I mean as to their quarters.
MR. BOXHALL: Yes; I understand what you mean.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know of the presence of any other Americans than the ones you have mentioned particularly?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: About how long, if you remember, before you reached the side of the Carpathia did you see these lights extinguished on the Titanic?
MR. BOXHALL: Before I boarded the Carpathia, you say?
SENATOR SMITH: Yes.
MR. BOXHALL: Before I boarded the Carpathia. Well, the Titanic's lights seem to have disappeared some considerable time before I boarded the Carpathia, because I saw the Carpathia's lights for some considerable time.
SENATOR SMITH: After you boarded the Carpathia during that early morning, Monday morning, or after you left the Titanic's side, did you see any icebergs?
MR. BOXHALL: Not until I got within about two or three ship's lengths of the Carpathia, when I saw her engines were stopped ­ then I saw the icebergs; it was just breaking daylight then.
SENATOR SMITH: Where were they?
MR. BOXHALL: Close to the Carpathia.
SENATOR SMITH: How close?
MR. BOXHALL: He seemed to have stopped within half a mile or quarter of a mile of the berg.
SENATOR SMITH: How many did you see?
MR. BOXHALL: Numerous bergs. As daylight broke I saw them.
SENATOR SMITH: About how many?
MR. BOXHALL: I would not like to say.
SENATOR SMITH: More than two?
MR. BOXHALL: Certainly more than two. Several bergs.
SENATOR SMITH: That is four or five or six?
MR. BOXHALL: And field ice. I could see field ice then as far as the eye could see.
SENATOR SMITH: How large were these icebergs?
MR. BOXHALL: Well, I did not see any of them that I considered large icebergs ­ not like one sees in the Canadian trade.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear the captain of the Carpathia testify last Friday morning in New York?
MR. BOXHALL: I was up there when he started, but I did not stay in the committee room.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear him say that he saw icebergs Monday morning, or an iceberg, nearly 200 feet high?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir; I did not hear him say that.
SENATOR SMITH: You say that you were within about half a mile of an iceberg and that the Carpathia was within that range of one?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes; I should say she would be well within half a mile of an iceberg when I boarded her.
SENATOR SMITH: How did this iceberg look to you? I mean as to color?
MR. BOXHALL: White.
SENATOR SMITH: Did they all look about the same color?
MR. BOXHALL: They looked white, to me, in the sunlight.
SENATOR SMITH: Was the sun up then?
MR. BOXHALL: No; but after the sun got up they looked white.
SENATOR SMITH: In the early morning, at the dawn ­ daybreak?
MR. BOXHALL: No; at daybreak they looked quite black.
SENATOR SMITH: Was it after daybreak when you got alongside of the Carpathia?
MR. BOXHALL: Day was breaking. I only saw them a little while before I got to the Carpathia.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you care to correct your statement that they appeared white when you first saw them?
MR. BOXHALL: They did not appear white when I first saw them.
SENATOR SMITH: How did they appear?
MR. BOXHALL: They appeared black.
SENATOR SMITH: After you boarded the Carpathia, while she was cruising around the scene of the wreck, did you see other icebergs?
MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes.
SENATOR SMITH: How many?
MR. BOXHALL: I could not say. There were numerous icebergs; that is the easiest way or the best way to express it.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you distinguish between an iceberg and a growler, or are they the same thing in the language of mariners?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes, I do make a distinction between an iceberg and a growler.
SENATOR SMITH: Let us have that distinction.
MR. BOXHALL: As I understand a growler, it is a low­lying iceberg.
SENATOR SMITH: Partially submerged?
MR. BOXHALL: They are all submerged; but I mean one lying, it might be very largely on the surface of the water, but not high; it might be large or it might be small, but it is low lying.
SENATOR SMITH: And the larger it gets­­
MR. BOXHALL: Then it gets to be an iceberg.
SENATOR SMITH: There is another kind of ice that you encounter­­
MR. BOXHALL: Field ice.
SENATOR SMITH: Off the Grand Banks?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: What is that?
MR. BOXHALL: Field ice is a lot of ice all together.
SENATOR SMITH: Like a raft?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes; not unlike a raft, I should say. It is a large expanse of ice covering the water.
SENATOR SMITH: Level with the surface?
MR. BOXHALL: No; a little above the surface.
SENATOR SMITH: Rising above the surface?
MR. BOXHALL: Just a little above the surface.
SENATOR SMITH: And extending over how great an area? I suppose they vary, but how great an area have you seen covered?
MR. BOXHALL: With ice?
SENATOR SMITH: With ice, on the sea, in the vicinity of the Grand Banks?
MR. BOXHALL: This is the first time that I have seen field ice on the Grand Banks.
SENATOR SMITH: You have never seen it on the Grand Banks before?
MR. BOXHALL: No.
SENATOR SMITH: And you have been on the Grand Banks before?
MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes.
SENATOR SMITH: How often?
MR. BOXHALL: I have been running to New York since I was 19 years of age.
SENATOR SMITH: And you have never seen any field ice?
MR. BOXHALL: I have seen icebergs, but have never seen any field ice before.
SENATOR SMITH: Was the ship on its usual course?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Have you ever crossed at this time of the year before?
MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes; many times.
SENATOR SMITH: Can you tell what the theory of the navigator is as to where the icebergs and growlers and field ice come from?
MR. BOXHALL: As far as I understand, they come from the Arctic region.
SENATOR SMITH: What are they composed of, if you know?
MR. BOXHALL: Some people who have been very close to them tell me that they have seen sand and gravel and rocks and things of that kind in them.
SENATOR SMITH: Rocks and other substances?
MR. BOXHALL: And earth. I have never been close enough to see that.
SENATOR SMITH: I suppose you mean the icebergs, when you say that?
MR. BOXHALL: The icebergs; yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And those icebergs are supposed to come from the Arctic regions?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes; so I believe.
SENATOR SMITH: And float down into the open sea?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: How far east have you ever seen them?
MR. BOXHALL: I do not know how far east I have seen them. It has been many years since I have seen any, until this time.
SENATOR SMITH: Is it understood by mariners and navigators that they are more frequent in the latitude of the Grand Banks?
MR. BOXHALL: Around 50 west; 47 to 50 west, I think; as near as I can remember.
SENATOR SMITH: From 47 to 50 west they are known to exist?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: And it is customary to be particularly careful in that vicinity?
MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Well, how did it happen that in that identical vicinity it was not thought necessary to increase the lookout?
MR. BOXHALL: I do not know. The lookout may have been increased; I can not say. I was busy most of the watch in the chart room, making calculations.
SENATOR SMITH: As far as you know of your own knowledge, it was not?
MR. BOXHALL: I did not hear any extra lookouts reported as being put on.
SENATOR SMITH: You did not see any extra officers that night, forward on the bridge deck?
MR. BOXHALL: No.
SENATOR SMITH: How far did the Carpathia run on Monday before she was out of sight of the icebergs?
MR. BOXHALL: I could not say.
SENATOR SMITH: Were you observing the situation?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Between the time that you left the Titanic and the time morning dawned did you see any icebergs?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir; but I know that they were there.
SENATOR SMITH: You knew they were there?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Any growlers?
MR. BOXHALL: I saw nothing; but I heard the water on the ice as soon as the lights went out on the ship.
SENATOR SMITH: That water, you think, was on the ice, after the boat went down? That is, you could hear something?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: In that vicinity?
MR. BOXHALL: A little while after the ship's lights went out and the cries subsided, then I found out that we were near the ice.
SENATOR SMITH: You could hear it?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Does your statement also cover the field ice?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes; it covers all the ice, sir. I heard the water rumbling or breaking on the ice. Then I knew that there was a lot of ice about; but I could not see it from the boat.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know what precautions the captain of the Carpathia took when he found himself among ice?
MR. BOXHALL: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know whether he doubled his lookout?
MR. BOXHALL: I do not know.
SENATOR SMITH: He proceeded toward New York how long after all the lifeboats had been raised?
MR. BOXHALL: It was approximately, I should say, well on in the forenoon, when he set the course to New York.
SENATOR SMITH: That is 9 or 10 o'clock?
MR. BOXHALL: No; I think it was well after that. We were steaming around the wreckage for quite a long time. I did not notice the time, but it must have been quite late in the forenoon.
SENATOR SMITH: Steaming around­­
MR. BOXHALL: Steaming around the scene of disaster.
SENATOR SMITH: Where were you when they were steaming around?
MR. BOXHALL: I was on the bridge for a few minutes, shortly after we got the boats on board.
SENATOR SMITH: For how long?
MR. BOXHALL: About a quarter of an hour, I think.
SENATOR SMITH: And remained on the bridge of the Carpathia after the boats were all raised?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any bodies floating in the water?
MR. BOXHALL: I remained on the bridge until he started off for New York direct. I do not know what time that was.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see any floating bodies?
MR. BOXHALL: I saw one floating body, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: That of a man or woman?
MR. BOXHALL: A man, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see the face distinctly?
MR. BOXHALL: No; I could not. It had a life preserver on.
SENATOR SMITH: Dead?
MR. BOXHALL: Oh, yes; quite dead.
SENATOR SMITH: How do you know?
MR. BOXHALL: We could see by the way the body was lying.
SENATOR SMITH: What is the ordinary position of a dead body in the water with a life preserver on?
MR. BOXHALL: This body looked as if the man was lying as if he had fallen asleep with his face over his arm.
SENATOR SMITH: On his side?
MR. BOXHALL: On his side.
SENATOR SMITH: Were you near enough to describe his features?
MR. BOXHALL: Not at all, sir?
SENATOR SMITH: Is that the only body you saw?
MR. BOXHALL: That the only body I saw.
SENATOR SMITH: The only body you saw either dead or alive?
MR. BOXHALL: Yes; dead or alive?
SENATOR SMITH: There must have been hundreds of bodies in the water about the Titanic.
MR. BOXHALL: No one ever saw any, at all.
SENATOR SMITH: You say there were all equipped with life belts?
MR. BOXHALL: I do not remember seeing anybody without a life belt.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know of any persons refusing to enter the lifeboats?
MR. BOXHALL: No; only by hearsay.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear that many had refused to enter the lifeboats?
MR. BOXHALL: I heard it on board the Carpathia, that some of them had refused.
SENATOR SMITH: Well, those on board the Carpathia had not refused. You heard that others had refused?
MR. BOXHALL: I heard that others had refused.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear of any names given of those who had refused?
MR. BOXHALL: I do not know. I may have heard the names and not taken any notice, not knowing them.
SENATOR SMITH: Could you repeat them?
MR. BOXHALL: No; I could not.
SENATOR SMITH: Any of them?
MR. BOXHALL: No, I could not.
SENATOR SMITH: Were any of the names you heard the names of women as well as men?
MR. BOXHALL: I could not say.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you any person ­ man, woman, or child ­ who refused to get into a lifeboat?
