SENATOR SMITH: Do you know how many survived among the employees in that dining room?
MR. RAY: I heard it was just over 40, but I do not know. I can not speak with any accuracy.
SENATOR SMITH: When did you last see Maj. Butt and the other people on whom you waited at their regular table?
MR. RAY: I saw Maj. Butt for the last time at luncheon, when he left, on Sunday. Mr. Moore and Millet I saw at dinner. Mr. Moore I saw coming from the smoke room afterwards with other people whom I did not notice, just before going to my station. Mr. Clark I did not see him.
SENATOR SMITH: Just before you were going to your station?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: That is, to your lifeboat?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Go ahead.
MR. RAY: Mr. Clark and Mrs. Clark I did not see at all after luncheon that day.
SENATOR SMITH: Where was your bunk located?
MR. RAY: On E deck, No. 3 room.
SENATOR SMITH: Forward or aft or amidships?
MR. RAY: It was about amidships, on the deck below the saloon.
SENATOR SMITH: Who had the rooms around you at that time?
MR. RAY: Other stewards were forward and aft.
SENATOR SMITH: Anyone that survived, that you now recall?
MR. RAY: Lots of them.
SENATOR SMITH: How were you aroused from your slumber?
MR. RAY: By the impact.
SENATOR SMITH: What kind of a shock was it, if any?
MR. RAY: A kind of movement that went backward and forward. I thought something had gone wrong in the engine room. I did not think of any iceberg.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know Mr. Andrews of the shipbuilding firm of Harland &: Wolff, who built this vessel?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir. I was at Belfast and waited on him around there on the Olympic and the Titanic.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know what deck his stateroom was on?
MR. RAY: No, sir; I do not know.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know where he sat generally in the main saloon?
MR. RAY: I could not be sure, sir; but I fancy it was on the port side, aft.
SENATOR SMITH: Is that where Mr. Ismay had his table?
MR. RAY: No, sir; I do not know where Mr. Ismay sat.
SENATOR SMITH: It was not at the captain's table?
MR. RAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see Mr. Andrews after the boat struck?
MR. RAY: No, sir; I did not.
SENATOR SMITH: You were aroused by this impact?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: What did you do?
MR. RAY: Woke up everybody in the room. I sat up in my bunk and waited­­
SENATOR SMITH: [interposing]. Was this a large room?
MR. RAY: Twenty­eight slept in the room, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Stewards?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir; mostly saloon stewards.
SENATOR SMITH: When this impact came, you roused yourself?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And woke everybody in the room?
MR. RAY: They were all awakened by the impact.
SENATOR SMITH: All were awakened?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did they all get up?
MR. RAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you get up?
MR. RAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you go back to sleep?
MR. RAY: I was going off to sleep again when they came in and told us to get to the lifeboats.
SENATOR SMITH: Who told you that?
MR. RAY: First the saloon steward and then Mr. Dodd, the second steward.
SENATOR SMITH: To get to the lifeboats?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: How long was that after the impact?
MR. RAY: As near as I could make out, it was about 20 minutes. It was around about 12 o'clock.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you all get out then?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Where did you go?
MR. RAY: I dressed myself and put on my life belt and went along to the working alleyway to the back stairway, and waited to take my turn with about 20 others, and we went straight on up to C deck. I saw the second steward up there and he asked me to get a life belt. I went through five staterooms and saw nobody there in either of them. I found a life belt in the fifth stateroom and took it to him, and proceeded on up to the boat deck, to No. 9 boat, which was my boat, allotted to me.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you find it there when you got on the boat deck?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Uncovered?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir; just being swung out.
SENATOR SMITH: Whom did you find there at the boat?
MR. RAY: Sailors and about a dozen other men.
SENATOR SMITH: How many sailors?
MR. RAY: About two sailors at each one of the winding arrangement to wind the boat up.
SENATOR SMITH: And about a dozen other men?
MR. RAY: About a dozen other men; yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Who were those men?
MR. RAY: The crew in general and one or two passengers.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know any of the passengers that you saw there?
MR. RAY: I did not at that time, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: You did not?
MR. RAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: What officer stood at lifeboat No. 9, if any?
MR. RAY: There was an officer there, but I do not know what rank he took. He did not survive, so I do not know him. I did not know any of them, in fact, only Mr. Murdock.
SENATOR SMITH: It was not Mr. Murdock.
MR. RAY: They were new officers to me, and I did not have time to find out what rank he was.
SENATOR SMITH: But you know it was not Mr. Murdock?
MR. RAY: I know it was not Mr. Murdock.
SENATOR SMITH: He was the officer of the watch that night?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: When you got to lifeboat No. 9 and saw those 8 or 10 men standing around it and one or two passengers and no women, what took place?
MR. RAY: I went to the rail and looked over and saw the first boat leaving the ship on the starboard side. By that time I was feeling rather cold, so I went down below again, to my bedroom, the same way that I came up.
SENATOR SMITH: What did you do then?
MR. RAY: I got my overcoat on. I went along E deck. There was nobody in No. 3 when I left.
SENATOR SMITH: No. 3 room?
MR. RAY: No. 3 room, where I slept. I went along E deck and forward, and the forward part of E deck was under water. I could just mange to get through the doorway into the main stairway. I went across to the other side of the ship where the passengers' cabins were; saw nobody there. I looked to see where the water was and it was corresponding on that side of the ship to the port side. I walked leisurely up to the main stairway, passed two or three people on the way, saw the two pursers in the purser's office and the clerks busy at the safe taking things out and putting them in bags, and just then Mr. Rothschild left his stateroom and I waited for him­­
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know him?
MR. RAY: Yes; I had waited on him on the Olympic.
SENATOR SMITH: Let us fix the place. You were still on E deck?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And at his stateroom?
MR. RAY: I did not say that I was in any stateroom then­­
SENATOR SMITH: I thought you saw Mr. Rothschild?
MR. RAY: I had come through D deck and then C deck and I saw Mr. Rothschild.
SENATOR SMITH: All right; go ahead.
MR. RAY: I spoke to him and asked him where his wife was. He said she had gone off in a boat. I said, "This seems rather serious." He said, "I do not think there is any occasion for it." So we walked leisurely up the stairs until I got to A deck and went through the door. I went out there onto the open deck and along to No. 9 boat. It was just being filled up with women and children. I assisted. I saw that lowered away. Then I went along to No. 11 boat, and saw that loaded with women and children and then that was lowered away. Then I went to No. 13 boat. I saw that about half filled with women and children. They said, "A few of you men get in here." There were about nine to a dozen men there, passengers and crew. I saw Mr. Washington Dodge there, asking where his wife and child were. He said they had gone away in one of the boats. He was standing well back from the boat, and I said, "You had better get in here, then." I got behind him and pushed him and I followed. After I got in there was a rather big woman came along, and we helped her in the boat. She was crying all the time and saying, "Don't put me in the boat; I don't want to go in the boat; I have never been in an open boat in my life. Don't let me say in." I said, "You have got to go, and you may as well keep quiet."
After that there was a small child rolled in a blanket thrown into the boat to me, and I caught it. The woman that brought it along got into the boat afterwards. We left about three or four men on the deck, at the rail, and they went along to No. 15 boat.
The boat was lowered away until we got nearly to the water, when two or three of us noticed a very large discharge of water coming from the ship's side, which I thought was the pumps working. The hole was about 2 feet wide and about a foot deep, a solid mass of water coming out from the hole. I realized that if the boat was lowered down straight away the would be swamped and we should all be thrown into the water. We shouted for the boat to be stopped from being lowered, and they responded promptly and stopped lowering the boat.
We got oars and pushed it off from the side of the ship. It seemed impossible to lower the boat without being swamped; we pushed it out from the side of the ship and the next I knew we were in the water free from this discharge. I do not think there were any sailors or quartermasters in the boat, because they apparently did not know how to get free from the tackle. They called for knives to cut the boat loose, and somebody gave them a knife and they cut the boat loose. In the meantime we were drifting a little aft and boat No. 15 was being lowered immediately upon us, about 2 feet over our heads, and we all shouted again, and they again replied very promptly and stopped lowering boat No. 15.
We pushed out from the side of the ship. Nobody seemed to take command of the boat, so we elected a fireman to take charge. He ordered us to put out the oars and pull straight away from the ship. We pulled all night with short intervals for rest. I inquired if the ladies were all warm, and they said they were quite warm and they had a blanket to spare. There seemed to be very little excitement in the boat. They were all quite calm and collected.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you return to the scene of the sinking of the vessel at all after you left the boat's side?
MR. RAY: No. I was not in charge of the boat, I was only pulling an oar. I objected to pulling away from the ship at all.
SENATOR SMITH: You objected?
MR. RAY: Yes. I wanted to stand by the ship, but, of course, my voice was much against the others. We had six oars in the boat, and several times I refused to row, but eventually gave in and pulled with the others.
SENATOR SMITH: How many people were in your boat, No. 13?
MR. RAY: I did not count them. It was impossible to count them, either then or in the morning?
SENATOR SMITH: You never did count them?
MR. RAY: No; I never did.
SENATOR SMITH: What was the proportion of men to women?
MR. RAY: I should imagine there were about two­thirds women and one­third men.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you know who the men were, or any of them?
MR. RAY: I know several of them; yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Will you give their names?
MR. RAY: I can give the name of one of them, Wright, steward. Another was Mr. Washington Dodge, first­class passenger.
SENATOR SMITH: Anyone else?
MR. RAY: I am afraid I do not anybody else.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know the names of any of the women?
MR. RAY: NO, sir; I do not. They were mostly second and third class women.
SENATOR SMITH: Waitresses or stewardesses?
MR. RAY: There were no waitresses or stewardesses on our boat at all sir. There were two or three children; one very young baby, 7 months old.
SENATOR SMITH: Did all these people in lifeboat No. 13 reach the Carpathia alive?
MR. RAY: Quite safely, sir. It was about the best boat there, I imagine from what I heard.
SENATOR SMITH: Was lifeboat No. 13 a full­sized lifeboat?
MR. RAY: Full­sized; yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you have a lamp in it?
MR. RAY: We did not look for it, sir. Well, we looked for it, but it may have been in a locker; and owing to the crowded condition of the boat, we could not make a thorough search.
SENATOR SMITH: You did not find any?
MR. RAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: You saw No. 9, and as I understand you, No. 11 and No. 13 boats loaded?
MR. RAY: I did, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: And assisted in loading them?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: During that time, while you were loading those boats, did you see any of the people whom you especially waited on at your table in the dining room?
MR. RAY: No, sir; I did not.
SENATOR SMITH: At no time?
MR. RAY: Not at any time, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see them at all?
MR. RAY: I saw Mr. Moore coming from the smoking room, as I stated. That was the only one.
SENATOR SMITH: But you did not see any of these people you have named at the lifeboats?
MR. RAY: No, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: I wish you would tell the committee how far out from the side of the boat deck these three lifeboats that you helped to fill hung on the davits?
MR. RAY: We did not lower them from the boat deck, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Where did you lower them from?
MR. RAY: "A" deck.
SENATOR SMITH: They were lowered to the next deck?
MR. RAY: They were lowered to the next deck down.
SENATOR SMITH: And loaded there?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Were there people on the upper or boat deck at that time?
MR. RAY: I heard so, afterwards.
SENATOR SMITH: How many?
MR. RAY: I could not say, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: You say you went to No. 9, which was your boat?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Was it then suspended at the boat deck, or at A deck?
MR. RAY: At A deck, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know of any other lifeboats that were lowered to A deck and filled from A deck?
MR. RAY: Yes, sir; No. 15, sir.
SENATOR SMITH: The lowering of these four lifeboats on the starboard side to A deck suspended them by their gear how far below the upper deck?
MR. RAY: Four or five feet, sir ­ about 5 feet, I imagine ­ from the boat deck.
SENATOR SMITH: In that position was it not a little difficult to get into the lifeboats?
MR. RAY: That was from the boat deck. They loaded them at A deck. You could get A deck straight into the boat, without any difficulty. I saw no difficulty whatever in loading the passengers into the boat.
SENATOR SMITH: That is, at A deck the lifeboats were out away from the deck about 2 1/2 or 3 feet?
MR. RAY: They certainly were not.
SENATOR SMITH: I mean at the boat deck.
MR. RAY: At the boat deck they were lower than the boat deck. I said they were about 4 feet from the boat deck ­ that is, lower than the boat deck, not out from the boat deck. They hung straight down, and they were dropped straight to A deck, and the people got over the rail and got straight into them without any difficulty whatever.
SENATOR SMITH: Lamp trimmer Hemmings says that the boat he assisted in load was out about 2 1/2 to 3 feet.
