SENATOR SMITH: Did you hear any order given by anyone for the men to stand back?
MR. BISHOP: I heard no such order.
SENATOR SMITH: "Women first," or "Women and children first,"?
MR. BISHOP: No.
SENATOR SMITH: At the time the first lifeboat was lowered, are you willing to say that that order had not been made?
MR. BISHOP: Absolutely.
SENATOR SMITH: Of the 13 passengers in your lifeboat, did you say you knew none except your wife?
MR. BISHOP: I knew a good many of them­­­
SENATOR SMITH: [interposing]. Your wife and this Frenchman?
MR. BISHOP: I knew other men in there, but I can not recall their names. I would like to revise that statement I just made, in a way, about the order, "Women first." I can say positively there was no such order given on the starboard side, near where our boat was lowered. What happened on the port side I knew nothing of, at all.
SENATOR SMITH: Do you know what officer took charge of loading and lowering the boats on the starboard side?
MR. BISHOP: Only from what I have heard of the testimony.
SENATOR SMITH: Was it Mr. Murdock or Mr. Lightoller?
MR. BISHOP: I could not be sure who it was, from my own observation; only from the testimony here.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see the captain there superintending that part of the work, at any time?
MR. BISHOP: I did not see the captain after the accident.
SENATOR SMITH: Did you see him before the accident?
MR. BISHOP: No.
SENATOR SMITH: I think that is all, Mr. Bishop. We are very much obliged for your kindness in waiting so long.
Witness excused.
SENATOR SMITH: Mr. Gracie wishes to make a further statement.
TESTIMONY OF MR. ARCHIBALD GRACIE Continued
SENATOR SMITH: Col. Gracie, would you like to make some additional statement beyond the one which you have just made?
MR. GRACIE: Yes, sir; if I might be allowed to do so.
SENATOR SMITH: Please do so.
MR. GRACIE: I want to speak of Maj. Butt and Mr. Clarence Moore and Mr. Millet. I testified that they were in the smoking room. I want it understood that the time they were in the smoking room was about 1 o'clock. That was not while the boats were being lowered. I do not know what they did after that, after I saw them, but I did not see them on the upper deck or on the deck at all. That is the last I saw of them.
SENATOR SMITH: This time that you speak of was after the collision?
MR. GRACIE: After the collision.
SENATOR SMITH: And about an hour before the boat sank?
MR. GRACIE: All of that. It was more than an hour.
SENATOR SMITH: An hour and 20 minutes?
MR. GRACIE: Yes, fully that. So that whatever they did after that is not in my testimony at all.
SENATOR SMITH: You did not see them after that?
MR. GRACIE: I did not see any of them after that. I only mention that fact, because they were perfectly imperturbable, showing their confidence in the ship, that no disaster was going to take place. In fact a great deal of my testimony is given for that purpose, to show how unconcerned everybody was about this serious disaster until the very last.
SENATOR SMITH: That is all, Col. Gracie.
Witness excused.
SENATOR SMITH: In view of the statement of my colleagues on the subcommittee that a very important bill will be considered by the full Committee on Commerce to­morrow, we will suspend at this time and stand adjourned until Friday morning at 10 o'clock.
Thereupon, at 4:20 o'clock p.m., April 30, 1912, the subcommittee adjourned until Friday, May 3, 1912, at 10 o'clock a.m.
