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     1        again with sodium, it varies.
 
     2   Q.   So, if people were eating this kind of food and also
              eating at McDonald's, would that concern you?
     3        A.  Of course it would.
 
     4   Q.   Right.  If people were eating more than one meal a day at
              McDonald's or at a similar outlet, comparable outlet,
     5        would that concern you?
              A.  Again we go back to the question of what do they
     6        actually eat at McDonald's and what do they eat the rest
              of time?  All I am saying is that if people choose to eat
     7        one or two Big Mac's a day, or if choose to eat one or two
              pork pies a day, or if they choose to have bacon and eggs
     8        once or twice or three times a day, then they are going to
              have a problem in meeting the dietary recommendations.  It
     9        is as simple as that.
 
    10   Q.   You said -- if you want the reference for this, it is at
              page 13 of this statement -- that "the type of products
    11        sold at McDonald's play a critical role in the diet".
              What do you mean by that?  Are you talking about the
    12        potatoes and  -----
              A.  Well, what I am referring to there is the fact that in
    13        order to achieve the requirements for protein, minerals
              and vitamins we need to have a variety of different foods,
    14        and that the foods that are available in McDonald's
              provide some of those requirements.
    15
         Q.   Right.
    16        A.  But they do not -----
 
    17   Q.   "Critical" requirements?
              A.  Well, again as we demonstrated yesterday, a number of
    18        different products make a substantial contribution to the
              dietary requirement for thiamine and niacin and vitamin
    19        B12 or whatever.  I mean, at the end of the day, what is
              important is that people have a variety of foods in their
    20        diet in order to be able to meet the different targets and
              the different requirements for minerals and vitamins.
    21
              Quite frankly, the more one focuses in on a small number
    22        of foods, the greater the risk that either we will exceed
              the requirements for fat, saturated fat and salt and all
    23        the rest of it, and at the same time that we will not meet
              the requirements for many of the other essential nutrients
    24        that are needed in the diet, such as the B vitamins and
              calcium phosphorus, vitamin A, vitamin D -- you name it --
    25        and this is why  -----
  
    26   Q.   Lots of fat, sugar and salt is not necessary in a diet, is 
              it? 
    27        A.  Look, we have to look at this in relation to the total
              requirements.  Let us not get obsessed with fat, sugar and
    28        salt.  I mean, these are important, of course, that we
              should try and reduce the amount that is present in a
    29        typical British diet, but do not forget until maybe 20
              years ago the concern in this country was that we had
    30        sufficient protein, minerals and vitamins in -- and
              possibly at one point there was even concern that we were

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