Day 156 - 17 Jul 95 - Page 16
1 A. No, she did not.
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3 Q. You did not ask her who had said that?
4 A. No, I did not.
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6 Q. What did she say then? Did she say something like: "Do
7 you know anything about leaflets being left on a table?"
8 A. I honestly cannot remember. It was two, three, years
9 ago, whenever it was.
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11 Q. Have you got your statement in front of you, please?
12 A. Yes.
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14 Q. If you turn to page 3 of the second statement, did you have
15 members of the crew that you got on particularly well with?
16 A. I got on well with probably about 90 per cent of them.
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18 Q. You say about: "Magee describes on page 3 how he attempted
19 to recruit employees to join the Transport and General
20 Workers Union. He states that he approached some 30 to 40
21 employees and that they were all interested in joining a
22 union. I do not find this credible. I was the Manager yet
23 I never heard anything about it at all". So you expect
24 that there would have been some member of the crew that
25 would have told you about it?
26 A. I think with the relationship that I had with the crew
27 where we did have an open door policy both ways, I think
28 I would have heard something.
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30 Q. Why do you say in paragraph 8 then: "All employees have a
31 right to join a union and if they do it is not a matter
32 that would involve management or would necessarily even
33 come to its attention". That is a contradiction to what
34 you have just said, is it not?
35 A. What I meant there is a union outside of work, nothing
36 to do with McDonald's. As I have stated previously, that
37 I would not know what to do; I would seek advice from, you
38 know, personnel in our offices.
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40 Q. What do you mean by "a union outside work"? You are
41 talking about a trade union here which is something that
42 people join because they are working in a particular place
43 or because they are working.
44 A. Well, under the assumption that may be some people
45 might have two jobs, what goes on outside of work has
46 nothing to do with me. I can only really speak from within
47 the restaurant that I was working in.
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49 Q. So if it was more than two or three crew members interested
50 in joining a union, you would expect word of it to leak out
51 and you would then get to hear of it?
52 A. I would not put a figure of two or three on it.
53 I would not say it would leak out. I have never come
54 across the situation, so I cannot speak for something that
55 has never happened to me. In that particular scenario, if
56 that was the case that there were, as stated, I think he
57 mentions 30 or 40 employees, I think I would have heard
58 something.
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60 Q. But you are just supposing that and if, for example, as
