Day 185 - 07 Nov 95 - Page 14

     
     1        A.  Right.  I am just saying like, you know, there was
     2        other things that -- they said that negotiation would come
     3        in; and I did not know what would happen if a union came
     4        in; I would not know what they would be doing.
     5
     6   Q.   Who said negotiations would be coming in -- the union?
     7        A.  No.  Chris Broom told me that we would have to
     8        negotiate for everything.
     9
    10   Q.   So this was what Chris Broom told you?
    11        A.  Yes.  Chris told me that we would have to negotiate for
    12        everything, because he had talked to his dad.  He did not
    13        say that a union could promise all of this.  That is what
    14        he said:  "A union cannot promise you all of this."
    15
    16   Q.   So what you were worried about is that there would be
    17        negotiations?
    18        A.  No; just the not knowing what would happen, period.
    19
    20   Q.   Do you know whether there actually was anything that they
         did not inform you about?
    22        A.  They did not inform me about the negotiations; and,
    23        I mean, now I know that they did not inform me there would
    24        have to be contract to be made up; and I am still not sure
    25        what else there is, or what comes out.
    26
    27   Q.   Can I just ask you, in the Defence -- I do not know whether
    28        that is quite the right term -- filed by Mr. Ballantyne
    29        and, I believe, in the pleadings or whatever filed on
    30        behalf of the intervenors, there is a comment that union
    31        membership should be disregarded for many of the crew
    32        because many of the applicants were under 18 when they
    33        signed the cards?
    34        A.  What is the question?  I am sorry.
    35
    36   Q.   Do you remember that?
    37        A.  I was not there.  I heard mention of it, that that is
    38        what the parents wanted to do.  They did not think we
    39        should have the right to decide, because we were only
    40        teenagers and we were not adults yet.  I remember Bonnie
         mentioning:  "Well, I have made a career at McDonald's, so
    42        what about me?  You know, I am an adult.  I have a right",
    43        she goes, "to make a decision about this, and I am working
    44        here full-time, and I will be working here for the rest of
    45        my life.  But these teenagers, once high school is over,
    46        they leave for university and they never come back."  But,
    47        I mean, this is what I have heard.  I was not in court when
    48        they brought this up, or anything like that.
    49
    50   Q.   When you heard about this, did you tell your solicitors and 
    51        tell Cam that you were insulted by this argument, that you 
    52        felt you were quite capable of making up your own mind? 
    53        A.  Well, I said, you know, I can make up my own mind but
    54        I did not, you know -- and, you know, I had made a mistake
    55        because I had not found out all the facts.  I just -- I had
    56        trusted, you know -- like, I did not know everything and
    57        I just signed my name to something and I should not have.
    58        If I felt uncomfortable about it at the beginning, then
    59        I should just have left it at that and never signed; and
    60        I know that now, today.