Day 185 - 07 Nov 95 - Page 20

     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is a comment.  It is not a question.
     2        That is what you ought to be saying to me if that is your
     3        case because there is no point in asking Miss Iurilla about
     4        that.
     5
     6   MR. MORRIS:  OK.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You know the way you have pleaded your case
     9        in relation to Orangeville.  The whole of the evidence
    10        about unions is with a view to justifying the statement in
    11        the leaflet, that it is McDonald's policy to get rid of
    12        people involved with unions.  I have not got the exact
    13        words.
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  It is about how it is difficult to form a union.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, but it is more ---
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:  All that stuff.
    20
    MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- "McDonald's have a policy of preventing
    22        unionisation by getting rid of pro-union workers.  So far
    23        this has succeeded everywhere in the world, except Sweden
    24        and Dublin after a long struggle".  When you are
    25        cross-examining witnesses in relation to that, that issue,
    26        remember that that is the main point you want to ask me to
    27        infer that, I would find that has actually happened or to
    28        infer that is their policy from events around the world.
    29        But when we are going into things like Orangeville,
    30        Ontario, obviously, you have to go into a certain amount of
    31        detail, but remember that is what you are aiming at at the
    32        end of the day.
    33
    34   MR. MORRIS:  I understand.  There are some questions asked which
    35        are absolutely central to it, because it is clear to me,
    36        and this is just argument -----
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It would be a comment, you see.  I do not
    39        think this witness can answer them.
    40
    MR. MORRIS:  No, OK.
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I thought your point, basically, was that she
    44        did not know what was going on.  Someone else instructed
    45        the lawyers, someone else paid them, and I thought you were
    46        going to suggest that Miss Iurilla did not know who that
    47        was because it was being organised by either Ballantyne or
    48        McDonald's in Canada.  If that is so, I thought your point
    49        was that she did not know what was going on, that she was
    50        being used.  If that is your case, there is not much point 
    51        about asking her what she did not know was going on. 
    52 
    53   MS. STEEL:   You mentioned Bonnie McLellan just a little while
    54        ago.  You said that she had decided to make McDonald's her
    55        career.  How old was she?
    56        A.  She is, I do not know, I would say she is 24, 25.
    57
    58   Q.   Right.  She was not just regular crew, was she?
    59        A.  She is a maintenance person, so she is crew but she
    60        does the cleaning in the restaurant.  She sometimes works