Day 251 - 17 May 96 - Page 14
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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It would and then Mr. Morris will ask you his
3 questions.
4 A. Well, the parrot's beak is the area which is now in, as
5 I said, the recently formed state of Tocantins. It is
6 this, if you go up the Serra do Estrondo, which you can see
7 that in the north of the state of Tocantins, there is this
8 mountain range. When it comes to Garatino(?), Gaepaco(?),
9 it comes to Campo -- you go up north, you come to Campo
10 Alegre, then there is a region round there which does not
11 actually look much like a parrot's beak on this map, but
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14 Q. Is that the top of the parrot's beak?
15 A. It is this, if you go -- it runs from Campo Alegre
16 right up to Maraba. It is a region which, sort of, bends
17 over and it then goes west to the Maraba. If you follow
18 the river, you can then see that that turns round, and it
19 looks like, at least for the Brazilians it looked like, a
20 parrot's beak.
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22 Q. Where do you go from Campo Alegre?
23 A. You go from Campo Alegre up to Toncantinopolis, then up
24 to Imperatriz. That is the top of the parrot's head. Then
25 you bear west to the Maraba, and that region round there,
26 the parrot's beak, is the region which was, in those days
27 was, in the state of Goias and had an enormous amount of
28 conflict. It is now in the state of Tokantins.
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30 Q. Let me just make my note, please. Are you saying that was
31 in the state of Goias?
32 A. That was in the state of Goias originally in the early
33 years until I looked it up when it was from 1989.
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35 MR. MORRIS: We have the list that we received from Mr. Morganti
36 of the collection points which are currently used to
37 collect cattle from the surrounding area and transported to
38 Goiania for slaughter to provide to Braslo for McDonald's
39 products. We do not know all the collection points and
40 sources in Goias state, or what was Goias state in the
41 1980s, for Goiania and McDonald's products, but even from
42 what we do know about where they are collecting now, the
43 land conflicts which you talked about, how does that relate
44 to what is now Goias State and to the very south of Goias
45 State, say, south of Goiania?
46 A. Sorry?
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48 Q. You have had a chance to look at the list from Mr. Morganti
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51 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think it is only fair that Miss Branford
52 should have the list. I have put it in 81E of yellow 14
53 behind Mr. Morganti's previous statements, but if there is
54 a spare copy -- I do not know whether it is there yet,
55 Mr. Riley.
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57 MR. RAMPTON: There is a spare one, my Lord. It has a yellow
58 blob on it but that was an accident; it is of no
59 significance.
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