Day 276 - 09 Jul 96 - Page 05
1 it?
2 A. Yes.
3
4 Q. Is it correct that -- well, do you know how much land was
5 owned?
6 A. Yes.
7
8 Q. Could you tell us, please?
9 A. 135,000 hectares.
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11 Q. Was that all ranching land?
12 A. Yes.
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14 Q. Where was the land?
15 A. In the state of Sau Paulo, state of Mirassoi, and Mato
16 Grosso.
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18 Q. If you were to have a map, could you tell us a bit more
19 specifically with where, or can you do it without a map? I
20 mean, there a map there, should be a map to your right,
21 hopefully, on the side.
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23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Which map are you going to use?
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25 MS. STEEL: I was just going to use the big white one that has
26 got the Raslo markings on, which are not very--
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28 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Or the Mulganti map?
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30 MS. STEEL: Yes. It should be just to your right on the side.
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32 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It will look something like that.
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34 MS. STEEL: If you do not worry about all the markings that are
35 on it, they are to do with another witness in the case. So
36 do not worry about that.
37 A. Right. Yes.
38
39 Q. If you could point out where the ranchland that was owned
40 by Vesteys was?
41 A. Well, there is some round Campo Grande there, which is
42 in Mato Grosso. Got it?
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44 Q. Yes?
45 A. And Aracatuba, Novarosho and Nova Horizonte.
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Could you just give the names to us quite
48 slowly, please?
49 A. In the state of Sau Paulo, if you go up from Sau Paulo
50 Rio Garro, you see, Sao Jose Do Rio Preto, and you see
51 Bietis. They are all around that, Aracatuba, they are
52 round Sao Jose Do Rio Preto in Sau Paulo, and the other two
53 are round Campo Grande.
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55 MS. STEEL: And what about the ones in?
56 A. In Minas, is just on the borders, sort of -- if you see
57 Passos? About there. If you just come across from Sao
58 Jose Do Rio Preto, to the right hand side of your finger,
59 do you see Passos?
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